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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by SweetTooth
All the other debate aside - the baker said she refuses to take food stamps because she doesn't think they should be used to by pie because it is a dessert. She doesn't say it is because her pies are expensive.
So if they used their EBT card to go to target and buy a package of oreos, then they are still using it to buy something that is not a necessity - that is a dessert/snack.
So, really, I don't know if I agree with her argument (and those who agree with her) on this basis alone.
You are correct, her judgement is based more on the fact that the foods she sells has no value from a nutrition standpoint.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I extrapolated beyond her words to make a point about my own personal beliefs. I used her case as a launching point to jump on the soap box.
That aside, I do think that the government should not FORCE tiny businesses to accept benefit cards. Just like I don't think they should FORCE homeowners to accept Section 8 if they choose to rent because it CAN be a difficult process from an accounting perspective to get reimbursed.
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Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Why can't poor people eat pie too? I think she is an ass.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I stand by my opinion on it--
Posted by SweetApril
Why can't poor people eat pie too? I think she is an ass.
They can't because they're not spending their own money. They can do whatever they want with their own income, but once they're on the taxpayers' dime, I have no problem with regulating what they purchase.
Food stamps, along with other forms of public assistance, are designed to be a TEMPORARY means of GETTING BY. Getting by does not require overpriced whoopie pies from the farmers' market. Once they get back on their feet and are spending their own income, I'm sure it will feel great to go to the farmers' market and buy some goodies.
Letting people use their EBT cards to indulge their various whims is what creates a population of abusers-- people who make government assistance into a lifestyle. What would ever compel someone to get OFF food stamps, when they can treat themselves to whatever they desire while ON them?
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by computergirl
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I stand by my opinion on it--
Posted by SweetApril
Why can't poor people eat pie too? I think she is an ass.
They can't because they're not spending their own money. They can do whatever they want with their own income, but once they're on the taxpayers' dime, I have no problem with regulating what they purchase.
Food stamps, along with other forms of public assistance, are designed to be a TEMPORARY means of GETTING BY. Getting by does not require overpriced whoopie pies from the farmers' market. Once they get back on their feet and are spending their own income, I'm sure it will feel great to go to the farmers' market and buy some goodies.
Letting people use their EBT cards to indulge their various whims is what creates a population of abusers-- people who make government assistance into a lifestyle. What would ever compel someone to get OFF food stamps, when they can treat themselves to whatever they desire while ON them?
My brother is dating a girl right now who has NEVER had a job. Neither has her mom, they have ALWAYS collected welfare and there is NO motivation to ever get a job. We are hoping he comes to his sense at some point because he is working himself to the bone trying to pay for for all HER needs.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by computergirl
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I stand by my opinion on it--
Posted by SweetApril
Why can't poor people eat pie too? I think she is an ass.
They can't because they're not spending their own money. They can do whatever they want with their own income, but once they're on the taxpayers' dime, I have no problem with regulating what they purchase.
Food stamps, along with other forms of public assistance, are designed to be a TEMPORARY means of GETTING BY. Getting by does not require overpriced whoopie pies from the farmers' market. Once they get back on their feet and are spending their own income, I'm sure it will feel great to go to the farmers' market and buy some goodies.
Letting people use their EBT cards to indulge their various whims is what creates a population of abusers-- people who make government assistance into a lifestyle. What would ever compel someone to get OFF food stamps, when they can treat themselves to whatever they desire while ON them?
Keep in mind some people that are on foodstamps are disabled and or handicapped. Not just "using the system". So these people should be limited to what they eat bc they cant work?
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by PrincessP
Keep in mind some people that are on foodstamps are disabled and or handicapped. Not just "using the system". So these people should be limited to what they eat bc they cant work?
Yes. Life is not always fair. I know lots of people on this board have been through rough financial times. We can't always have everything we want. My own grandparents are "limited to what they can eat" and would never be able to have expensive baked goods like those pies... they are on a very tight budget, no food stamps. Lots of us are "limited to what they can eat" in other ways.... can I afford to go have dinner at Prime 7 days a week? No, that would be beyond what I can afford. So I don't, and I "limit" myself to ordinary dinners.
As I said in my first post on this thread, we're talking about pie here. Pie is not a civil right. We're not talking about letting people starve, but there is no injustice in saying not everyone is entitled to a fancy baked good on the taxpayers' dime.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by SweetApril
Why can't poor people eat pie too? I think she is an ass.
No one Is saying poor people can't have a fancy pie once in a while, just that public assistance food programs should not cover it.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by computergirl
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I stand by my opinion on it--
Posted by SweetApril
Why can't poor people eat pie too? I think she is an ass.
They can't because they're not spending their own money. They can do whatever they want with their own income, but once they're on the taxpayers' dime, I have no problem with regulating what they purchase.
Food stamps, along with other forms of public assistance, are designed to be a TEMPORARY means of GETTING BY. Getting by does not require overpriced whoopie pies from the farmers' market. Once they get back on their feet and are spending their own income, I'm sure it will feel great to go to the farmers' market and buy some goodies.
Letting people use their EBT cards to indulge their various whims is what creates a population of abusers-- people who make government assistance into a lifestyle. What would ever compel someone to get OFF food stamps, when they can treat themselves to whatever they desire while ON them?
They get a set amount each month, so it really makes no difference whether they buy a pie, chicken breasts, or 30 bags of cheetos.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
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Posted by PrincessP
Keep in mind some people that are on foodstamps are disabled and or handicapped. Not just "using the system". So these people should be limited to what they eat bc they cant work?
Yes. Life is not always fair. I know lots of people on this board have been through rough financial times. We can't always have everything we want. My own grandparents are "limited to what they can eat" and would never be able to have expensive baked goods like those pies... they are on a very tight budget, no food stamps. Lots of us are "limited to what they can eat" in other ways.... can I afford to go have dinner at Prime 7 days a week? No, that would be beyond what I can afford. So I don't, and I "limit" myself to ordinary dinners.
As I said in my first post on this thread, we're talking about pie here. Pie is not a civil right. We're not talking about letting people starve, but there is no injustice in saying not everyone is entitled to a fancy baked good on the taxpayers' dime.
I personally work with MANY disabled people who made themselves that way because of their poor choices in life. For example, a lot of them got their TBI from drug overdoses.
Others were absolutely from circumstances beyond their control.
I think the people in the program I work for are super fortunate because they have things like food stamps to fall back on, and for the program I provide services through, a nice subsidized apartment in the community.
I always tell new people that while they will not be living a life of extreme luxury, they will have their needs met, and if they also choose to budget their money wisely for things, like YOU or I, they CAN have splurges too from time to time (not ALL the time).
It's really great that programs like this exist to help out people who truly need it. In other countries I am sure they would just be tossed out on the street.
But I get that sometimes the line just needs to be drawn as well. And for the program I work for, it is also ALWAYS supposed to be of last resort. (Although people do find ways around this too and this really gets me going on a personal level).
I know MANY people who are super pissed when they hear someone who was a drug addict is getting to be supported this way, but where are they going to go otherwise? I know if you leave them in an instutionalized setting, it costs even MORE money.
I don't know what the answer is, but like was mentioned, life is what it is and it's certainly not fair.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by computergirl
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I stand by my opinion on it--
Posted by SweetApril
Why can't poor people eat pie too? I think she is an ass.
They can't because they're not spending their own money. They can do whatever they want with their own income, but once they're on the taxpayers' dime, I have no problem with regulating what they purchase.
Food stamps, along with other forms of public assistance, are designed to be a TEMPORARY means of GETTING BY. Getting by does not require overpriced whoopie pies from the farmers' market. Once they get back on their feet and are spending their own income, I'm sure it will feel great to go to the farmers' market and buy some goodies.
Letting people use their EBT cards to indulge their various whims is what creates a population of abusers-- people who make government assistance into a lifestyle. What would ever compel someone to get OFF food stamps, when they can treat themselves to whatever they desire while ON them?
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So well said!
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by Goobster
Posted by computergirl
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I stand by my opinion on it--
Posted by SweetApril
Why can't poor people eat pie too? I think she is an ass.
They can't because they're not spending their own money. They can do whatever they want with their own income, but once they're on the taxpayers' dime, I have no problem with regulating what they purchase.
Food stamps, along with other forms of public assistance, are designed to be a TEMPORARY means of GETTING BY. Getting by does not require overpriced whoopie pies from the farmers' market. Once they get back on their feet and are spending their own income, I'm sure it will feel great to go to the farmers' market and buy some goodies.
Letting people use their EBT cards to indulge their various whims is what creates a population of abusers-- people who make government assistance into a lifestyle. What would ever compel someone to get OFF food stamps, when they can treat themselves to whatever they desire while ON them?
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So well said!
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I know people who have been on welfare their entire lives, they have more material goods and newer cars then I do. I also know elders that move of $$$ into their kids accounts and have food cards, medicaid and whatever else they,can get. Really sets me off because people like this (have $$$) do not need food stamps.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
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I think any food that is on the "List of approved products" should be able to be purchased with FS.
I have a different opinion on the welfare system then most...
We grew up poor, quite poor at times, but never poor enough for help. Personally, a sick father, mother working 16 hour shifts and they have 4 children, 2 of which had to drop out of high school to work a factory to keep the rent paid - I Think that qualifies. BUT it didn't. They offered, no joke, something like $20 a week.
We lived on Macaroni. LIVED ON IT. Sometimes it was pancakes - not the box kind, made from scratch (it was cheaper that way) It sucked a lot. Probably why I keep my house STOCKED with stuff and spend way too much time & money at the supermarkets now bc I Can.
BUT When I'd go to the store with my mom, struggling to pay the cashier with all the cash she had - there would be immigrants and I swear I kid you not IN FUR COATS, BUYING STEAKS, USING THEIR FOOD STAMPS. Then as I got older, it was the Benefit Card being used.
I swear she wrote letters on a weekly basis to everyone and anyone. It did nothing, but I guess it helped with her frustration.
The government has a lot more issues with their welfare system then someone wanting to buy PIE.
Hmm Seems that turned into a vent 
THIS!
This is exactly the problem. Middle class people are paying taxes for the welfare system. In the end Middle class people struggling and are not going to be helped.I worked in a supermarket for 3 years. Immigrants were the ones using food stamps, and many of them have tons of gold, nice cars, hair done, nails done etc
The whole system is effed up. I know if dh and I ever needed help, we wouldn't be able to get it. We also lived on macaroni and oatmeal when I was a kid for a time so I def see where you are coming from
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Medicaid is common for the elderly, because often it's the only way they can get home care services without having to pay out of pocket.
For many families, it is a hardship to have to come up with this money.
I also have heard people say "just because my kids are rich doesn't mean I am."
I think family should be required to help out in some way though, if they have the means.
I know a lot of the families we provide services to, will only request home care while they are at work, and then the elderly family member lives with them and they check in on them at night.
I think that's reasonable.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
This thread is so absurd, really. I only came on to see what the other poster came back to answer my question which I found the response distrubing in itself. "Life is not fair"....really?!?! i hope to God you are never in a situation where someone just says "well hey ...that sux for you". So heartless to say the least. Such holier than thou responses. And to see a social worker state that there are limits to what people can have We are talking about a friggin pie. And to the poster who responded to my last post....we are NOT talking about prime steakhouse...c'mon now ...its a pie. Like I said I hope to God you arent in any situation like this person who was denied a pie. My example was a disabled person/a handicapped person (MR etc...) and your response was...."life isnt fair"...ughhhh...
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by PrincessP
This thread is so absurd, really. I only came on to see what the other poster came back to answer my question which I found the response distrubing in itself. "Life is not fair"....really?!?! i hope to God you are never in a situation where someone just says "well hey ...that sux for you". So heartless to say the least. Such holier than thou responses. And to see a social worker state that there are limits to what people can have We are talking about a friggin pie. And to the poster who responded to my last post....we are NOT talking about prime steakhouse...c'mon now ...its a pie. Like I said I hope to God you arent in any situation like this person who was denied a pie. My example was a disabled person/a handicapped person (MR etc...) and your response was...."life isnt fair"...ughhhh...
You're right. I hope I'm not in this situation. But I'm also smart enough to know that if the system keeps up the way it is, I too will probably not get the help that I would like to be entitled to.
Not every client population is like the one you describe.
Just sayin'.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
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Posted by PrincessP
This thread is so absurd, really. I only came on to see what the other poster came back to answer my question which I found the response distrubing in itself. "Life is not fair"....really?!?! i hope to God you are never in a situation where someone just says "well hey ...that sux for you". So heartless to say the least. Such holier than thou responses. And to see a social worker state that there are limits to what people can have We are talking about a friggin pie. And to the poster who responded to my last post....we are NOT talking about prime steakhouse...c'mon now ...its a pie. Like I said I hope to God you arent in any situation like this person who was denied a pie. My example was a disabled person/a handicapped person (MR etc...) and your response was...."life isnt fair"...ughhhh...
You're right. I hope I'm not in this situation. But I'm also smart enough to know that if the system keeps up the way it is, I too will probably not get the help that I would like to be entitled to.
Not every client population is like the one you describe.
Just sayin'.
I wasnt saying everyone is like the clients I described in the above post I specifically asked about the population I described and the answer I got was "Life is not fair"...thats just BS.
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ETA: Re: Maybesoon's response with families getting services they do not need.
I have seen a few situations like this through my work, since I am in home care, and it gets me fired up.
It just goes to show the fuckedupness with our health care system in general.
Most of my paycheck goes to health care, and I WORK in health care, for a company that makes millions off Medicaid $$$.
Everyone has the mindset that they are entitled, until there's nothing left to be entitled to because of the amount of unnecessary spending in this country.
Yeah it's "only pie" but imagine if everyone thought that way. 
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
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I have seen a few situations like this through my work, since I am in home care, and it gets me fired up.
It just goes to show the fuckedupness with our health care system in general.
Most of my paycheck goes to health care, and I WORK in health care, for a company that makes millions off Medicaid $$$.
Everyone has the mindset that they are entitled, until there's nothing left to be entitled to because of the amount of unnecessary spending in this country.
Yeah it's "only pie" but imagine if everyone thought that way.
why work in a situation that gets you "fired up" to not believe in the people you are helping. I have yet as a Social Worker to not believe or advocate for my clients. If I felt that way I would pass the case to someone who could work with that client. Honestly, its neither here nor there...its not the topic.
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Posted by mzsocialworker1
I have seen a few situations like this through my work, since I am in home care, and it gets me fired up.
It just goes to show the fuckedupness with our health care system in general.
Most of my paycheck goes to health care, and I WORK in health care, for a company that makes millions off Medicaid $$$.
Everyone has the mindset that they are entitled, until there's nothing left to be entitled to because of the amount of unnecessary spending in this country.
Yeah it's "only pie" but imagine if everyone thought that way.
why work in a situation that gets you "fired up" to not believe in the people you are helping. I have yet as a Social Worker to not believe or advocate for my clients. If I felt that way I would pass the case to someone who could work with that client. Honestly, its neither here nor there...its not the topic.
It certainly does tie into the topic at hand.
And I see many sides of a situation, as well. It has nothing to do with how I am on the job, so don't play THAT card.
I am professional enough to seperate the two, however, as a Long Islander that pays taxes and often feels like many of the other middle class on here do, who feel that they get screwed, I am certainly entitled to MY opinion and I am not going to pretend things are all roses and light and I am this happy go lucky social worker when it comes to the severe messes of our system right here on Long Island.
Just because I'm a social worker does not mean that I cannot be angry.
Also, as a social worker, I call it BS on YOU that you've yet to meet someone that isn't manipulative and doesn't try to get over.
If not, I wonder how seasoned you are then.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by mzsocialworker1
Posted by PrincessP
Posted by mzsocialworker1
I have seen a few situations like this through my work, since I am in home care, and it gets me fired up.
It just goes to show the fuckedupness with our health care system in general.
Most of my paycheck goes to health care, and I WORK in health care, for a company that makes millions off Medicaid $$$.
Everyone has the mindset that they are entitled, until there's nothing left to be entitled to because of the amount of unnecessary spending in this country.
Yeah it's "only pie" but imagine if everyone thought that way.
why work in a situation that gets you "fired up" to not believe in the people you are helping. I have yet as a Social Worker to not believe or advocate for my clients. If I felt that way I would pass the case to someone who could work with that client. Honestly, its neither here nor there...its not the topic.
It certainly does tie into the topic at hand.
And I see many sides of a situation, as well. It has nothing to do with how I am on the job, so don't play THAT card.
I am professional enough to seperate the two, however, as a Long Islander that pays taxes and often feels like many of the other middle class on here do, who feel that they get screwed, I am certainly entitled to MY opinion and I am not going to pretend things are all roses and light and I am this happy go lucky social worker when it comes to the severe messes of our system right here on Long Island.
Just because I'm a social worker does not mean that I cannot be angry.
Also, as a social worker, I call it BS on YOU that you've yet to meet someone that isn't manipulative and doesn't try to get over.
If not, I wonder how seasoned you are then.
LOL...you sound angry....its just pie.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by mzsocialworker1
Yeah it's "only pie" but imagine if everyone thought that way.
They don't. Not all people in need think about trying to get over on the system and not all social workers think like you. I have been blessed to be able to help people truly in need and am fortunate that my good encounters outweigh all of the bad.
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Posted by mzsocialworker1
Yeah it's "only pie" but imagine if everyone thought that way.
They don't. Not all people in need think about trying to get over on the system and not all social workers think like you. I have been blessed to be able to help people truly in need and am fortunate that my good encounters outweigh all of the bad.
I love how when I point out problems with the system, suddenly I am seen as this super negative person. I don't recall saying that everyone is like this or that I hate my job and my work.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by PrincessP
This thread is so absurd, really. I only came on to see what the other poster came back to answer my question which I found the response distrubing in itself. "Life is not fair"....really?!?! i hope to God you are never in a situation where someone just says "well hey ...that sux for you". So heartless to say the least. Such holier than thou responses. And to see a social worker state that there are limits to what people can have We are talking about a friggin pie. And to the poster who responded to my last post....we are NOT talking about prime steakhouse...c'mon now ...its a pie. Like I said I hope to God you arent in any situation like this person who was denied a pie. My example was a disabled person/a handicapped person (MR etc...) and your response was...."life isnt fair"...ughhhh...
I agree. The lack of compassion is a serious problem, much more so then people spending 3 bucks on a f ucking pie.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
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Posted by mzsocialworker1
Yeah it's "only pie" but imagine if everyone thought that way.
They don't. Not all people in need think about trying to get over on the system and not all social workers think like you. I have been blessed to be able to help people truly in need and am fortunate that my good encounters outweigh all of the bad.
I love how when I point out problems with the system, suddenly I am seen as this super negative person. I don't recall saying that everyone is like this or that I hate my job and my work.
Obviously I only know you in this vacuum of lif but as an outsider reading your comments on this thread, I am having trouble seeing the strengths perspective we have all been trained in.
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