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Re: Commuter Tax
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YES EXACTLY
not getting that part either 
I don't think that a .45% tax warrants a vote anywhere. I pay a hell of a lot more than that in sales tax in Nassau/Suffolk counties and I don't get to vote there, do I??
BUT, I am all for fairness. Not voting for the mayor, that's ridiculous, but a single commuter seat on the City Council would not be outrageous.
IMO LI if they are going to be affected by Bloombergs decisions should be able to VOTE whether he is OUR mayor or not
Once again, I am affected by LI's decisions every day. I don't get a vote for the Nassau County Executive or mayor of Carle Place. Really, I think this is an ineffective argument.
And how does Carle Place affect you?
I pay a heck of a lot of taxes to the shopping areas there. I spend time in that area often and their decisions on what the speed limit should be, the rate of taxation, where to put a stop sign and a stop light... all of it affects me. But the point is, it's my choice to be there, just like it's a commuter's choice to work within the 5 boroughs of NYC. If you make that choice, I personally believe you are then responsible to pay something to continue to have the services available to you. As someone said earlier, if you needed something in an emergency, do they ask you if you're a NYC resident? Obviously not. But you're not paying the taxes to utilize it. It also means the burden of those taxes fall onto the NYC resident. You guys want a vote for the mayor? Pay the income tax I pay as a city resident and I'm sure we'll give you one.
And, I am all for the reverse commuter tax, albeit at a lower rate than NYC. In the end, LI is what it is because of the city. If the city wasn't here, no one's houses would be worth nearly what they are now and LI wouldn't not be nearly as desireable. It seems to me it would be in everyone's best interest to maintain NYC as best we can in order to keep lower NY what it is - one of the most sought after places to live in the country.
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Re: Commuter Tax
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Posted by Redhead
YES EXACTLY
not getting that part either
I don't think that a .45% tax warrants a vote anywhere. I pay a hell of a lot more than that in sales tax in Nassau/Suffolk counties and I don't get to vote there, do I??
BUT, I am all for fairness. Not voting for the mayor, that's ridiculous, but a single commuter seat on the City Council would not be outrageous.
Yes there could be a point between voting for the mayor and not voting at all that might give me the representaion I would want.
I don't care if it's a penny per paycheck, no one is taking any of my hard earned money if I don't have a say as to how much and where is goes.
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by MrsERod
this is a good point:
"Perhaps Suffolk County should start charging a toll for those using our county roads to get to the Hamptons???"
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How about a Suffolk County Hamptons Vacationer tax?
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Leeners
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by patti08
Yes there could be a point between voting for the mayor and not voting at all that might give me the representaion I would want.
I don't care if it's a penny per paycheck, no one is taking any of my hard earned money if I don't have a say as to how much and where is goes.
I can absolutely understand that and I think that, when this came up first time around, that was one of the measures in talks to make the tax 'constitutional'. I think it might work well, to be honest.
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MrsERod
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by Kate07
Posted by MrsERod
this is a good point:
"Perhaps Suffolk County should start charging a toll for those using our county roads to get to the Hamptons???"
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How about a Suffolk County Hamptons Vacationer tax?
oooh...that has a nice ring to it...maybe you should run for office! 
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Leeners
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Re: Commuter Tax
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Posted by MrsERod
this is a good point:
"Perhaps Suffolk County should start charging a toll for those using our county roads to get to the Hamptons???"
LINK
How about a Suffolk County Hamptons Vacationer tax?
The counties are free to do what they want. But ultimately, the argument changes considerably at that point. A) people are not making their money there and spending it elsewhere (part of the argument for the commuter tax); B) traffic would be ridiculous; C) if you 'live' in one area for more than X number of mos a year (I *think* it's 6 but am not positive), you are responsible to pay a certain amount of taxes. So what you're talking about with the vacationer tax actually does exist.
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KarenK122
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Re: Commuter Tax
I will have no problem paying this tax if they let me vote. Taxation without representation. I think that is what we started the revolution over
I wonder what they are going to tax next? Tourists coming in?
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| Posted 11/15/05 10:44 AM |
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In some instances, yes, people choose to work in the city. But I am sure that there are plenty of people (me included) who would be happy to have a job closer to home. Frankly I don't know how much luck I would have getting something out of NYC.
As I said earlier, if the city needs the money so badly, I wish Bloomberg would be more aggressive about getting the money owed to the city from the lottery. I suppose he does not want to ruffle feathers with his buddy Pataki.
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Sassyz75
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by MrsERod
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I live in NJ and commute into NYC and I have to pay, so why shouldn't people on LI?
people on LI already pay a tax from their paychecks, and we're part of the State.
NJ is an entirely different State. To me, that's the difference.
Well, you pay your town taxes so you pay for your fire department and services.. in NJ we pay taxes to pay for our fire department- so how is that different?
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MrsERod
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by Kate07
Posted by Sassyz75
I live in NJ and commute into NYC and I have to pay, so why shouldn't people on LI?
Because Long Island is in New York and New Jersey is not.
kate said it better then i did!
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Sassyz75
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by patti08
So should people that live in Suffolk but work in Nassau pay commuter tax?
If you cross a state line to work you get 100% of that state's taxes back. Why should Suburban commuters be the ones to fix an NYC deficit?
Sure our house values are higher because we live near a big city but in turn so are our property taxes.
I strongly urge all commuters to write to your state reps now. There are 6 weeks before sessions start. Maybe it was found unconstitutional before but that doesn't mean it will stay that way. They all have their own sites and links for email.
Find your local reps here.
My suggestion is raise the tax on cigarettes, alcohol, hotel rooms, plays, shows, bus tours. The luxury items as opposed to taxing the middle working class commuters.
I do not get my NYC takes back- I pay about $600 a year to NYC b/c I live in NJ- they do not give me that money back.
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Sassyz75
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by Kate07
Posted by Sassyz75
I live in NJ and commute into NYC and I have to pay, so why shouldn't people on LI?
Because Long Island is in New York and New Jersey is not.
kate said it better then i did!
Well true- but it is still the same services being used whether you are from LI or NJ.
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Re: Commuter Tax
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Posted by patti08
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If you cross a state line to work you get 100% of that state's taxes back. Why should Suburban commuters be the ones to fix an NYC deficit?...
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I do not get my NYC takes back- I pay about $600 a year to NYC b/c I live in NJ- they do not give me that money back.
Sorry, my bad, when DH worked in NJ, commuting from NY he got it all back. I thought it was reciprocal.
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MrsJ
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by Leeners
Posted by Redhead
YES EXACTLY
not getting that part either
I don't think that a .45% tax warrants a vote anywhere. I pay a hell of a lot more than that in sales tax in Nassau/Suffolk counties and I don't get to vote there, do I??
BUT, I am all for fairness. Not voting for the mayor, that's ridiculous, but a single commuter seat on the City Council would not be outrageous.
The commuter tax from 1999 was between .45% and .65%, this amount was set in 1973!!!! 32 years ago!!!!
I HIGHLY doubt that these same figures will be implemented if the commuter tax is reinstated. They will hit us for much much more money this time around.
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Sassyz75
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Re: Commuter Tax
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Posted by patti08
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If you cross a state line to work you get 100% of that state's taxes back. Why should Suburban commuters be the ones to fix an NYC deficit?...
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I do not get my NYC takes back- I pay about $600 a year to NYC b/c I live in NJ- they do not give me that money back.
Sorry, my bad, when DH worked in NJ, commuting from NY he got it all back. I thought it was reciprocal.
Exactly.
So why should I have to pay if LI people don't and people from NY get their $ back?
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by Leeners
I pay a heck of a lot of taxes to the shopping areas there. I spend time in that area often and their decisions on what the speed limit should be, the rate of taxation, where to put a stop sign and a stop light... all of it affects me. But the point is, it's my choice to be there, just like it's a commuter's choice to work within the 5 boroughs of NYC. If you make that choice, I personally believe you are then responsible to pay something to continue to have the services available to you. As someone said earlier, if you needed something in an emergency, do they ask you if you're a NYC resident? Obviously not. But you're not paying the taxes to utilize it. It also means the burden of those taxes fall onto the NYC resident. You guys want a vote for the mayor? Pay the income tax I pay as a city resident and I'm sure we'll give you one.
So what you are saying is that when you come to LI, you pay sales tax for your shopping and spending here... so do commuters since they work and shop in NYC. But they should pay above and beyond the sales tax that NYCers pay when they come to LI? I don't understand that one. Plus while a NYer is shopping, vacationing, or visiting, on LI...they are using our "services" too... and not paying for them.
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Redhead
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by Leeners
I pay a heck of a lot of taxes to the shopping areas there. I spend time in that area often and their decisions on what the speed limit should be, the rate of taxation, where to put a stop sign and a stop light... all of it affects me. But the point is, it's my choice to be there, just like it's a commuter's choice to work within the 5 boroughs of NYC. If you make that choice, I personally believe you are then responsible to pay something to continue to have the services available to you. As someone said earlier, if you needed something in an emergency, do they ask you if you're a NYC resident? Obviously not. But you're not paying the taxes to utilize it. It also means the burden of those taxes fall onto the NYC resident. You guys want a vote for the mayor? Pay the income tax I pay as a city resident and I'm sure we'll give you one.
And, I am all for the reverse commuter tax, albeit at a lower rate than NYC. In the end, LI is what it is because of the city. If the city wasn't here, no one's houses would be worth nearly what they are now and LI wouldn't not be nearly as desireable. It seems to me it would be in everyone's best interest to maintain NYC as best we can in order to keep lower NY what it is - one of the most sought after places to live in the country.
since you spend sooo much time in Carle Place should you pay extra taxes for their fire department and police?
OR for sanitation and hospitals in the area?
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MrsJ
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Re: Commuter Tax
I should find my other post that said I've paid over $15k in taxes this year - thats only since April. So close to double that and that's what I'm paying in taxes...in addition to the nearly $6k I pay to ride the LIRR and subway. I shouldnt have to pay more.
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DjPiLL
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by MrsERod
what COMPLETELY amazes me is Bloomberg's timing in EVERYTHING.
Right BEFORE the election, it was announced that the Firefighters finally had a decent contract. This after 2 1/2 years without one!
NOW, having won the election, he's renewed the call for the commuter tax!!!??
I'm sure all those commuters who voted for Bloomberg are jumping for joy!!!
If you are somebody that voted for Bloomberg... but would not have voted for him based on hearing this... then you voted for Bloomberg for the WRONG reasons.
You vote for Bloomberg not because of the things he does... you vote for him because he makes the TOUGH decisions (not necessarily that you like)... but decisions that have to be made. Guiliani was the same way. Rudy had to make a lot of TOUGH decisions that people hated him for (remember the hot dog vendor blitz he did?).
The city has a huge defecit. If they don't pass this commuter tax (which they probably won't pass)... the city has to get the money elsewhere. The city will just have to cut out other services and then people will bytch about that.
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DjPiLL
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by Sassyz75
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sorry, quick question...since I pay city tax, I live in SI, does this include me as well? I commute to the city.
SI is part of New York City.
You already pay.
I live in NJ and commute into NYC and I have to pay, so why shouldn't people on LI?
Because people on Long Island already pay state taxes. You are simply paying NY state taxes on your paycheck. You aren't paying city taxes.
If you don't like the taxes you pay... you could work in your home state instead. 
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Redhead
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by DjPiLL
Posted by MrsERod
what COMPLETELY amazes me is Bloomberg's timing in EVERYTHING.
Right BEFORE the election, it was announced that the Firefighters finally had a decent contract. This after 2 1/2 years without one!
NOW, having won the election, he's renewed the call for the commuter tax!!!??
I'm sure all those commuters who voted for Bloomberg are jumping for joy!!!
If you are somebody that voted for Bloomberg... but would not have voted for him based on hearing this... then you voted for Bloomberg for the WRONG reasons.
You vote for Bloomberg not because of the things he does... you vote for him because he makes the TOUGH decisions (not necessarily that you like)... but decisions that have to be made. Guiliani was the same way. Rudy had to make a lot of TOUGH decisions that people hated him for (remember the hot dog vendor blitz he did?).
The city has a huge defecit. If they don't pass this commuter tax (which they probably won't pass)... the city has to get the money elsewhere. The city will just have to cut out other services and then people will bytch about that.
well maybe they should think about taxing all the people that work OFF THE BOOKS in NYC
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DjPiLL
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by Redhead
IMO LI if they are going to be affected by Bloombergs decisions should be able to VOTE whether he is OUR mayor or not
Give me a break. Since when are you FORCED to work in NYC? If you live in County A... that has nothing to do with County B. If you want to pursue employment in county B... you are to abide by their rules.
If you don't like it... stay in county A.
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Leeners
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by Redhead
Posted by Leeners
I pay a heck of a lot of taxes to the shopping areas there. I spend time in that area often and their decisions on what the speed limit should be, the rate of taxation, where to put a stop sign and a stop light... all of it affects me. But the point is, it's my choice to be there, just like it's a commuter's choice to work within the 5 boroughs of NYC. If you make that choice, I personally believe you are then responsible to pay something to continue to have the services available to you. As someone said earlier, if you needed something in an emergency, do they ask you if you're a NYC resident? Obviously not. But you're not paying the taxes to utilize it. It also means the burden of those taxes fall onto the NYC resident. You guys want a vote for the mayor? Pay the income tax I pay as a city resident and I'm sure we'll give you one.
And, I am all for the reverse commuter tax, albeit at a lower rate than NYC. In the end, LI is what it is because of the city. If the city wasn't here, no one's houses would be worth nearly what they are now and LI wouldn't not be nearly as desireable. It seems to me it would be in everyone's best interest to maintain NYC as best we can in order to keep lower NY what it is - one of the most sought after places to live in the country.
since you spend sooo much time in Carle Place should you pay extra taxes for their fire department and police?
The point was (and I'm sort of getting tired of having to say it "sooo" many times) is IT'S MY CHOICE TO BE THERE. So I pay the higher rate on taxes to do so. As far as paying NYC taxes... there is no sales tax on clothing under $110 any longer in NYC so I actually AM paying a lot more in LI than I would here. Additionally, I am not making money in LI and then going back to NYC to spend it. That's what commuters are doing here.
It's a much nicer environment to work in NYC now than it was years ago, having to pick your way past the homeless that lined Penn Station and the streets, stepping over litter everywhere, being on alert all the time because of the crime that invaded the city... all of that affects not only the commuters but the property value on LI. And all of this happened because of $.
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DjPiLL
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by patti08
If you cross a state line to work you get 100% of that state's taxes back. Why should Suburban commuters be the ones to fix an NYC deficit?
Tell you what... since you feel this way.... if you ever pass out in the middle of 5th avenue in Manhattan... we will hold off on FDNY EMT's giving you medical attention.
We will simply wait for a Suffolk County Hospital EMT to come into Manhattan to render service since those are the salaries you are paying taxes on.
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Leeners
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Re: Commuter Tax
Posted by DjPiLL
Posted by Redhead
IMO LI if they are going to be affected by Bloombergs decisions should be able to VOTE whether he is OUR mayor or not
Give me a break. Since when are you FORCED to work in NYC? If you live in County A... that has nothing to do with County B. If you want to pursue employment in county B... you are to abide by their rules.
If you don't like it... stay in county A.
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