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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by Grill
Pompous, Condescending, judgmental, an ass....I'll take all your labels if it means I saved just one child from being treated like a subordinate to a parents' manipulative, controlling and harsh ways. I see myself as a child advocate. They are not second class citizens. They are not prisoners. They deserve kindness, compassion, dignity and peaceful guidance. My message is loud and abrasive and I don't care if you don't like it.....Babies are NOT meant to withstand the neglect and isolation of crying alone in the dark over and over again. It does not teach self soothing, it forces a total shut down. Teaching assumes their is a student, eager to learn. The only thing I'm hearing in the OP story, and many others like hers, is that her DC was in need of comfort and assurance of her place in their hearts. How f'ing hard could that be????
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by Grill
Since you put this out there on a public website, I'm feeling compelled to respond. Your 2 yo was in great need for you when you brought home another baby. This is NOT "playing you" as your doctor suggested. In fact, while children may manipulate situations for their needs to get met, they are NOT malicious. They are innocent, loving, and needy for your attention, comfort, approval ALL the time, not just during adult waking hours. Your doctor has no training in child psychology or on your particular child or household. Making a statement like that is outside the scope of medical practice, it's unprofessional and it's absolutely rude. Toddlers are people too....with feelings and emotions that are just as real and painful as our adult ones. Neglecting them by forcing them to cry alone, in the dark while their real need for love and attention and security goes unmet is not nice. I'm really sorry to hear that your doctor's idiocy offered you confidence. My goodness, 2 yrs old is still a baby in so many ways. Bringing home a sibling is very stressful for everyone in the family, especially our little ones who's world just got rocked. May you be blessed with more restful nights and with very forgetful, forgiving children. Your story is a sad one to me...it's very "anti" child all around.
ETA: I realize you have several little ones and I fully understand that sometimes the needs of one get sacrificed for the greater good. This is a necessity in large families...but it's a sad one..especially when it results in so many tears.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by Grill
Pompous, Condescending, judgmental, an ass....I'll take all your labels if it means I saved just one child from being treated like a subordinate to a parents' manipulative, controlling and harsh ways. I see myself as a child advocate. They are not second class citizens. They are not prisoners. They deserve kindness, compassion, dignity and peaceful guidance. My message is loud and abrasive and I don't care if you don't like it.....Babies are NOT meant to withstand the neglect and isolation of crying alone in the dark over and over again. It does not teach self soothing, it forces a total shut down. Teaching assumes their is a student, eager to learn. The only thing I'm hearing in the OP story, and many others like hers, is that her DC was in need of comfort and assurance of her place in their hearts. How f'ing hard could that be????
Yes, You really saved a child! I'm sure that poster is going to listen to somebody who just insulted them. You cannot change somebody's mind through insults. It is unnecessary. You could have just stated what you did and how it worked for you. I haven't tried CIO and I probably won't do it because it isn't right for me. But, I have 1 baby to put to sleep at night. Everything that you feel could have been written with a little more compassion and without using the f word. As a new mom, it's responses like these that make me so reluctant to post questions on here. I've gotten a lot of good tips from this board and also when I was pregnant on the pregnancy board. I think women come here for support and advice. I know I do.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by HoneymoonBaby
Posted by Grill
Pompous, Condescending, judgmental, an ass....I'll take all your labels if it means I saved just one child from being treated like a subordinate to a parents' manipulative, controlling and harsh ways. I see myself as a child advocate. They are not second class citizens. They are not prisoners. They deserve kindness, compassion, dignity and peaceful guidance. My message is loud and abrasive and I don't care if you don't like it.....Babies are NOT meant to withstand the neglect and isolation of crying alone in the dark over and over again. It does not teach self soothing, it forces a total shut down. Teaching assumes their is a student, eager to learn. The only thing I'm hearing in the OP story, and many others like hers, is that her DC was in need of comfort and assurance of her place in their hearts. How f'ing hard could that be????
Yes, You really saved a child! I'm sure that poster is going to listen to somebody who just insulted them. You cannot change somebody's mind through insults. It is unnecessary. You could have just stated what you did and how it worked for you. I haven't tried CIO and I probably won't do it because it isn't right for me. But, I have 1 baby to put to sleep at night. Everything that you feel could have been written with a little more compassion and without using the f word. As a new mom, it's responses like these that make me so reluctant to post questions on here. I've gotten a lot of good tips from this board and also when I was pregnant on the pregnancy board. I think women come here for support and advice. I know I do.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by MrsA1012
One more thing : how you would you feel if you were overwhelmed by powerful emotions and were crying and your dh left you to cry without any comfort or attention? It would feel pretty bad wouldn't it? Now imagine feeling the same way with out the benefits of an adult mind nd only a minimal developmental capacity to self sooth. Not. Pleasant.
There are better options than ignoring your dc while they scream for you.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by melonhead
Posted by MrsA1012
One more thing : how you would you feel if you were overwhelmed by powerful emotions and were crying and your dh left you to cry without any comfort or attention? It would feel pretty bad wouldn't it? Now imagine feeling the same way with out the benefits of an adult mind nd only a minimal developmental capacity to self sooth. Not. Pleasant.
There are better options than ignoring your dc while they scream for you.
In your opinion. Which you're entitled to, but the OP didn't ask for it. She was asking SPECIFICALLY for the advice of moms who have had to repeat the cycle of CIO. It's obviously worked for her, if you don't want to do it for your child, don't.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by melonhead
Posted by MrsA1012
One more thing : how you would you feel if you were overwhelmed by powerful emotions and were crying and your dh left you to cry without any comfort or attention? It would feel pretty bad wouldn't it? Now imagine feeling the same way with out the benefits of an adult mind nd only a minimal developmental capacity to self sooth. Not. Pleasant.
There are better options than ignoring your dc while they scream for you.
I agree.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
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Posted by melonhead
Posted by MrsA1012
One more thing : how you would you feel if you were overwhelmed by powerful emotions and were crying and your dh left you to cry without any comfort or attention? It would feel pretty bad wouldn't it? Now imagine feeling the same way with out the benefits of an adult mind nd only a minimal developmental capacity to self sooth. Not. Pleasant.
There are better options than ignoring your dc while they scream for you.
I agree.
That's nice. Too bad no one asked your opinion.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by hopingforbaby
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by melonhead
Posted by MrsA1012
One more thing : how you would you feel if you were overwhelmed by powerful emotions and were crying and your dh left you to cry without any comfort or attention? It would feel pretty bad wouldn't it? Now imagine feeling the same way with out the benefits of an adult mind nd only a minimal developmental capacity to self sooth. Not. Pleasant.
There are better options than ignoring your dc while they scream for you.
I agree.
That's nice. Too bad no one asked your opinion.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by hopingforbaby
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by melonhead
Posted by MrsA1012
One more thing : how you would you feel if you were overwhelmed by powerful emotions and were crying and your dh left you to cry without any comfort or attention? It would feel pretty bad wouldn't it? Now imagine feeling the same way with out the benefits of an adult mind nd only a minimal developmental capacity to self sooth. Not. Pleasant.
There are better options than ignoring your dc while they scream for you.
I agree.
That's nice. Too bad no one asked your opinion.
This is a public forum and we all have a right to express an opinion. This is done on a multitude of threads on a variety of different subjects. The mom reached out for help and some posters offered an alternative way of looking at the situation. Personally, I have changed my opinions on many different things from what I have read both on here and in other places. As long as it is respectful, I see nothing wrong with a little back and forth. That's what makes life interesting.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by MrsA1012
This is a public forum and we all have a right to express an opinion. This is done on a multitude of threads on a variety of different subjects. The mom reached out for help and some posters offered an alternative way of looking at the situation. Personally, I have changed my opinions on many different things from what I have read both on here and in other places. As long as it is respectful, I see nothing wrong with a little back and forth. That's what makes life interesting.
So trying to guilt the mom into doing what you think is best and calling her manipulative and neglectful as Grill did is respectful??
Okay, whatever... I am officially done here. I refuse to go back and forth with this nonsense any longer..
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by hopingforbaby
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by melonhead
Posted by MrsA1012
One more thing : how you would you feel if you were overwhelmed by powerful emotions and were crying and your dh left you to cry without any comfort or attention? It would feel pretty bad wouldn't it? Now imagine feeling the same way with out the benefits of an adult mind nd only a minimal developmental capacity to self sooth. Not. Pleasant.
There are better options than ignoring your dc while they scream for you.
I agree.
That's nice. Too bad no one asked your opinion.
This is a public forum and we all have a right to express an opinion. This is done on a multitude of threads on a variety of different subjects. The mom reached out for help and some posters offered an alternative way of looking at the situation. Personally, I have changed my opinions on many different things from what I have read both on here and in other places. As long as it is respectful, I see nothing wrong with a little back and forth. That's what makes life interesting.
Actually, I didn't read anything offering an alternative. Just a blatant disagreement of the method, (and quite frankly rude disagreement which is why I chimed in).
What is the alternative method? What are the steps. How has it worked for you or others?
This information would have been helpful. Perhaps it might have changed the OPs mind if she were given actual advice instead of being berated.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by retrochick
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by hopingforbaby
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by melonhead
Posted by MrsA1012
Actually, I didn't read anything offering an alternative. Just a blatant disagreement of the method, (and quite frankly rude disagreement which is why I chimed in).
What is the alternative method? What are the steps. How has it worked for you or others?
This information would have been helpful. Perhaps it might have changed the OPs mind if she were given actual advice instead of being berated.
ITA. You guys aren;t being helpful...unless it is helpful to be critical and judgemental.
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Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
I honestly wish the CIO naysayers could come to my home (not that I would let them in lol) and see my beautiful, intelligent and TRULY joyful child.
A few nights of CIO, teaching her to self soothe. . .maybe TEN nights in her ENTIRE LIFE. . .and now she is probably one of the happiest kids I have ever met. And at nighttime, she is NOT scared, anxious, nervous, we sing our songs, say our prayers. . . and then she tells me "bed mommy?" and I put her down and she soothes herself to sleep while I get to do other things with my evening.
If she wakes up at night, she does not depend on me to come get her, she is not afraid, she is not upset, she just talks or sings to herself until she falls back asleep.
Of all the things she will have to tell her therapist. . . CIO will definitely NOT be on the list.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by hopingforbaby
Posted by MrsA1012
This is a public forum and we all have a right to express an opinion. This is done on a multitude of threads on a variety of different subjects. The mom reached out for help and some posters offered an alternative way of looking at the situation. Personally, I have changed my opinions on many different things from what I have read both on here and in other places. As long as it is respectful, I see nothing wrong with a little back and forth. That's what makes life interesting.
So trying to guilt the mom into doing what you think is best and calling her manipulative and neglectful as Grill did is respectful??
Okay, whatever... I am officially done here. I refuse to go back and forth with this nonsense any longer..
I completely agree with you here. I don't condone grill's approach. I don;t think any mom should be feel attacked or shamed.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by retrochick
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by hopingforbaby
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by melonhead
Posted by MrsA1012
One more thing : how you would you feel if you were overwhelmed by powerful emotions and were crying and your dh left you to cry without any comfort or attention? It would feel pretty bad wouldn't it? Now imagine feeling the same way with out the benefits of an adult mind nd only a minimal developmental capacity to self sooth. Not. Pleasant.
There are better options than ignoring your dc while they scream for you.
I agree.
That's nice. Too bad no one asked your opinion.
This is a public forum and we all have a right to express an opinion. This is done on a multitude of threads on a variety of different subjects. The mom reached out for help and some posters offered an alternative way of looking at the situation. Personally, I have changed my opinions on many different things from what I have read both on here and in other places. As long as it is respectful, I see nothing wrong with a little back and forth. That's what makes life interesting.
Actually, I didn't read anything offering an alternative. Just a blatant disagreement of the method, (and quite frankly rude disagreement which is why I chimed in).
What is the alternative method? What are the steps. How has it worked for you or others?
This information would have been helpful. Perhaps it might have changed the OPs mind if she were given actual advice instead of being berated.
I hear your point here, but I have a feeling many people would have gotten upset with this too. I hope I am wrong.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Grill, I'm really curious what your professional background and education is.
I am a child psychologist. In psychology, there are many different philosophies about what is the "correct" way to do therapy, advise parents about children, etc. CIO is supported by many psychologists and experts in child development. There are others who oppose it, like you do. The difference is that professionals would treat the parent with sensitivity and tact while providing other options.
In my opinion, a good night's sleep is a huge component of a child's emotional well-being. The less sleep a child (or adult) gets, the more dysregulated he or she is in the morning. I would advocate that it is more important for the child to cry for a short period of time for a few nights and re-learn how to self-soothe and sleep through the night than it is for the parent to respond every time he/she cries at bedtime. To suggest that a parent who uses CIO is harming their child is outrageous and a fallacy. It might not be for everyone, and that's fine, but don't condemn others for using it.
You really would get your point across better if you were not so abrasive. No one is going to take your ideas seriously when you present them in such a rude, condescending manner. Perhaps making some alternative suggestions in a gentler manner would make others consider your methods and you might see the change that you want and "save" a child.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
We have done CIO countless times w ds 2 ( now 26 months) He is a nightmare! We started round 798 of CIO again last night, and he is CIO right now for his nap.
I hear you about staying sane
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by Grill
I just had to do CIO with my 2yo again when baby #3 came home. It was rough for about a week and a half (older and more persistent than when I did it a year ago), but now he's back to his routine. I had to reward him with squinkies to stay in bed all night long.
I even called the ped to make sure I wasn't traumatizing him with CIO and his words were, "he's playing you." SO, that's all I needed to feel confident that I wasn't scarring him emotionally for life.
Since you put this out there on a public website, I'm feeling compelled to respond. Your 2 yo was in great need for you when you brought home another baby. This is NOT "playing you" as your doctor suggested. In fact, while children may manipulate situations for their needs to get met, they are NOT malicious. They are innocent, loving, and needy for your attention, comfort, approval ALL the time, not just during adult waking hours. Your doctor has no training in child psychology or on your particular child or household. Making a statement like that is outside the scope of medical practice, it's unprofessional and it's absolutely rude. Toddlers are people too....with feelings and emotions that are just as real and painful as our adult ones. Neglecting them by forcing them to cry alone, in the dark while their real need for love and attention and security goes unmet is not nice. I'm really sorry to hear that your doctor's idiocy offered you confidence. My goodness, 2 yrs old is still a baby in so many ways. Bringing home a sibling is very stressful for everyone in the family, especially our little ones who's world just got rocked. May you be blessed with more restful nights and with very forgetful, forgiving children. Your story is a sad one to me...it's very "anti" child all around.
ETA: I realize you have several little ones and I fully understand that sometimes the needs of one get sacrificed for the greater good. This is a necessity in large families...but it's a sad one..especially when it results in so many tears.
Oh give me a break! Let me see you type this when your 2 yo wakes you up 5 times a night for no good reason. And you have a newborn waking up all night as well
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by GioiaMia
GRILL, you are an ass and you know what...your kids are probably playing you lol get a life.
I never had to do full blown CIO again but sometimes she will get up and cry for a bit before she uses the self soothing that she taught herself through my decision to CIO and goes back to sleep.
Helping your kids learn to self sooth and starting life long good sleep habits is NOT cruel at all....I think its great and works for OUR family. We ALL get over 8 hours of sleep a night.
I agree with this. We did CIO for both kids after they turned 2. They are THE worst sleepers ever, and it makes them cranky throughout the day. We really should have done it sooner. We have a 2 and 4 yo and still up many times a night
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by Jax430
Grill, I'm really curious what your professional background and education is.
I am a child psychologist. In psychology, there are many different philosophies about what is the "correct" way to do therapy, advise parents about children, etc. CIO is supported by many psychologists and experts in child development. There are others who oppose it, like you do. The difference is that professionals would treat the parent with sensitivity and tact while providing other options.
In my opinion, a good night's sleep is a huge component of a child's emotional well-being. The less sleep a child (or adult) gets, the more dysregulated he or she is in the morning. I would advocate that it is more important for the child to cry for a short period of time for a few nights and re-learn how to self-soothe and sleep through the night than it is for the parent to respond every time he/she cries at bedtime. To suggest that a parent who uses CIO is harming their child is outrageous and a fallacy. It might not be for everyone, and that's fine, but don't condemn others for using it.
You really would get your point across better if you were not so abrasive. No one is going to take your ideas seriously when you present them in such a rude, condescending manner. Perhaps making some alternative suggestions in a gentler manner would make others consider your methods and you might see the change that you want and "save" a child.
Amen.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by GioiaMia
I honestly wish the CIO naysayers could come to my home (not that I would let them in lol) and see my beautiful, intelligent and TRULY joyful child.
A few nights of CIO, teaching her to self soothe. . .maybe TEN nights in her ENTIRE LIFE. . .and now she is probably one of the happiest kids I have ever met. And at nighttime, she is NOT scared, anxious, nervous, we sing our songs, say our prayers. . . and then she tells me "bed mommy?" and I put her down and she soothes herself to sleep while I get to do other things with my evening.
If she wakes up at night, she does not depend on me to come get her, she is not afraid, she is not upset, she just talks or sings to herself until she falls back asleep.
Of all the things she will have to tell her therapist. . . CIO will definitely NOT be on the list.
If DD could have said anything to me after we did CIO for a few nights it would have been "thank you for helping me FINALLY get a full night of sleep".
I don't really care if someone doesn't think it's humane. MY child is better off for it.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by MrsA1012
The mom reached out for help and some posters offered an alternative way of looking at the situation.
No. Some posters came on here and told her she was a bad mother.
VERY different.
Both of you should be ASHAMED of yourselves. So you don't agree with the OP asking about CIO. You are entitled to your opinion.
But when you come here bashing a mother asking for advice, and telling her she is bad mom?
SHAMEFUL.
And by the way. I don't know any adults, or children for that matter that say "damn. I am emotionally scarred because my mom didn't sooth me while I was crying.
And Grill. Kids are manipulative little pains in a$$. They don't do EVIL, but they DO "play mom like a fiddle".
Every mother should raise her child as she sees fit. I agree with a PP that I wont coddle my children and overprotect them. One day they will have to go out in the world and be independent. One day. You don't CIO with a 4 week old, but a 12 month old? That's your call as their mom.
Oh. And I PROMISE you I know at least 5 adults who were over protected as kids and cant function as adults. Cant say that about CIO.
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
Posted by Paramount
Posted by MrsA1012
The mom reached out for help and some posters offered an alternative way of looking at the situation.
No. Some posters came on here and told her she was a bad mother.
VERY different.
Both of you should be ASHAMED of yourselves. So you don't agree with the OP asking about CIO. You are entitled to your opinion.
But when you come here bashing a mother asking for advice, and telling her she is bad mom?
SHAMEFUL.
And by the way. I don't know any adults, or children for that matter that say "damn. I am emotionally scarred because my mom didn't sooth me while I was crying.
And Grill. Kids are manipulative little pains in a$$. They don't do EVIL, but they DO "play mom like a fiddle".
Every mother should raise her child as she sees fit. I agree with a PP that I wont coddle my children and overprotect them. One day they will have to go out in the world and be independent. One day. You don't CIO with a 4 week old, but a 12 month old? That's your call as their mom.
Oh. And I PROMISE you I know at least 5 adults who were over protected as kids and cant. function as adults. Cant say that about CIO.
Excuse me, but I never bashed anyone. I don't approve of that and make it clear in a prior post. I merely agreed with the content of grill's post regarding the potential dangers of allowing a child to cry for long periods. I then wrote one other post expanding on my feeling a bit. I NEVER called anyone a bad mother nor do I feel that way. Don't put words in my mouth. On another note, your post is filled with the judgement you are condemning regarding different parenting styles. You are basically saying that if a parent does not believe in allowing a child to cry without response they are coddling them and over protecting them? How is that not bashing?
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Re: Did you have to do CIO again? (if you already did it in the past)
So what are the suggested alternatives to CIO?
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