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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Bxgell2
I have no qualms in using illegal day laborers. We have been ripped off way too many times by "contractors" who do a ridiculously poor job, for which we've paid thousands.
I believe in a free economy - if these guys do good work, for less money, then yes, I'll hire them.
As for getting your green card and paying taxes, does anyone have an inkling of an idea as to how ridiculously expensive, and confusing that process entails? The government makes it virtually impossible for a poor migrant worker to obtain citizenship. Until that process is less expensive, and less confusing, I have absolutely no problem with hiring them.
Completely agree! 
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Ok..I see where you are coming from BUT..at least they work! I have more issue with people who sit around and DO NOTHING and live off the backs of working people. Most of those men are HARD WORKERS. They work for so little and usually its for their families here or to send back to their countries. At least they are willing to work. I know TONS of people, on my block alone, who sit back, claim welfare or disablity when they are virtually fine and live off what we do. Now that I dont like AT ALL!
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| Posted 6/19/07 1:31 PM |
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CaMacho
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Me too!
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| Posted 6/19/07 1:32 PM |
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mommy2bella
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Beth1210
I couldn't agree more- people never seem to have an issue with if I pay you cash- will you not charge me tax
these guys just want to work hard to make a better life- I for one- would like to see them be allowed to stay- but that's another debate
ooooooh good one Beth 
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| Posted 6/19/07 1:33 PM |
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| Posted 6/19/07 1:35 PM |
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JeffsWife
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Nothing wrong about hiring them.
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| Posted 6/19/07 1:37 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by KittyTheStray
Posted by SweetTooth
whats the difference between hiring them or a contractor you pay cash to? Do you think that contractor is paying taxes on the money you just gave him??
The difference is the contractor most likely has a license and is required to have insurance so if something happens you’re not liable and you and your assets are protected.
I am a tax accountant and I see some of my honest contractors going out of business because they can't compete with the prices of people who hire illegals who don't have to worry about silly things like licenses and insurance.
This isn't meant to sound snotty, it's just the reality, it's not ONLY taxes, and there's a ripple effect. One of my clients goes out of business, now my firm has ALSO lost that revenue...
Good point, Kara, I didn't think of that side of the issue.
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| Posted 6/19/07 1:39 PM |
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Beth
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
The difference is the contractor most likely has a license and is required to have insurance so if something happens you’re not liable and you and your assets are protected.
I am a tax accountant and I see some of my honest contractors going out of business because they can't compete with the prices of people who hire illegals who don't have to worry about silly things like licenses and insurance.
This isn't meant to sound snotty, it's just the reality, it's not ONLY taxes, and there's a ripple effect. One of my clients goes out of business, now my firm has ALSO lost that revenue...
Good point, Kara, I didn't think of that side of the issue.
another side is- I was watching a show on this- and contractors in Colorado - couldn't get enough legal workers and job sites were being shut done, contractors were going out of business- so it works both ways
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| Posted 6/19/07 1:41 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by KittyTheStray
Posted by SweetTooth
whats the difference between hiring them or a contractor you pay cash to? Do you think that contractor is paying taxes on the money you just gave him??
The difference is the contractor most likely has a license and is required to have insurance so if something happens you’re not liable and you and your assets are protected.
I am a tax accountant and I see some of my honest contractors going out of business because they can't compete with the prices of people who hire illegals who don't have to worry about silly things like licenses and insurance.
This isn't meant to sound snotty, it's just the reality, it's not ONLY taxes, and there's a ripple effect. One of my clients goes out of business, now my firm has ALSO lost that revenue...
I completely agree.
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| Posted 6/19/07 2:03 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Lisa
Posted by nycchic24
I think its a great thing when they are hired. This is the only work they get. So being hired, pays them and I am sure they are happy for it. I always get sad when I see them waiting outside the hardware store in the morning but when they get picked up for work, it seems to make their day.
I dont feel sorry for them at all!!
Become a resident (Im not saying you have to become a citizen, but at least have your green card) and then get a job and pay taxes like the rest of us!!!!!
WOW...ignorance at its best right there! 
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| Posted 6/19/07 2:04 PM |
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TeddyBear922
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
I do not have a problem with hiring day laborers - legal or not. Especially the illegal ones....they are very hard working people and will work for pennies. It would be tough to find an american that would do the jobs the illegals do for the money they get paid. Not many americans would work 15 hour days for under 100.00 a day. All these people want to do is half a roof over their heads and put food on the table for their families.
Sorry this is a sore spot with me.
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| Posted 6/19/07 2:04 PM |
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pinkandblue
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by cpanyc
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Posted by Lisa
So I have a question for anyone that said they would hire them. Do you like paying all the taxes that we do, so that people that DONT pay taxes can collect the benefits? I know I dont.
I have not problem with giving someone a break and helping them out BUT there has to be a point where that person needs to step up and become part of the society that they are living in instead of taking all the time!!!
as sweet tooth mentioned, it is no different than paying your mechanic or contractor cash for a job they do....they are not paying tax on that money either....
I do not see anything wrong with it.
Setting it up with your contractor so they can avoid taxes by paying cash is just as illegal as hiring workers off the books - I don't understand the logic. If you see nothing wrong with paying cash to get a discount, it would make sense you see nothing wrong with paying illegal workers off the books. Both are wrong.
The logic is, both are "illegal" and both are done by MANY people (paying cash for services to avoid taxes), that was all I was saying, in agreement with sweetooth......you may think it is "wrong", I do not...that's all 
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| Posted 6/19/07 2:19 PM |
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Lisa
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by MrsRivera
Posted by Lisa
Posted by nycchic24
I think its a great thing when they are hired. This is the only work they get. So being hired, pays them and I am sure they are happy for it. I always get sad when I see them waiting outside the hardware store in the morning but when they get picked up for work, it seems to make their day.
I dont feel sorry for them at all!!
Become a resident (Im not saying you have to become a citizen, but at least have your green card) and then get a job and pay taxes like the rest of us!!!!!
WOW...ignorance at its best right there!
Why is my opinion about this ignorant?
My husband came to the US from El Salvador...got his green card and then became a citizen so where am I ignorant about this??? 
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| Posted 6/19/07 2:29 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by mitabtrfly
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I would never. What if someone got hurt? Would you pay their medical bills?
I didn't say I agreed with it, I just wanted opinions. As I said my brother in law did, but I have also found since DH is a police officer and works in an area where there are alot of illegal immigrants, alot of times they opt to not to go a hospital out of fear of being deported and having medical expenses. Of course if I (which I haven't) used them and they got hurt, then I would offer to pay..it's the RIGHT THING TO DO!!!!!.
I'm on the fence about it. I just don't know if it is something I would do.
Offer to pay? What if they were seriously injured and spent a week or more in the hospital? Maybe so seriously injured that they couldn't work anymore? Are you prepared to be sued to take care of this person?
I only ask, because I know someone going through this right now.
I would not hire someone because I prefer to do hire someone who is licensed and insured and not someone who will work for $100 a day for 10-12 hrs. Not worth it in my opinion.
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| Posted 6/19/07 2:38 PM |
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MrsRivera
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Am I safe in assuming this was pre-Bush, pre-9/11? Because a member of my extended family had lived here for 10 years, and he was just deported. Had a steady job, paid taxes. But because he couldn't get his green card/citizenship here, he was sent back.
Times are different now, and to assume that it's just as easy as getting a green card and paying taxes "like the rest of us" doesn't fly anymore. It's FAR from being that easy.
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| Posted 6/19/07 2:52 PM |
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Tumbalina
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by MrsRivera
Posted by Lisa
Posted by nycchic24
I think its a great thing when they are hired. This is the only work they get. So being hired, pays them and I am sure they are happy for it. I always get sad when I see them waiting outside the hardware store in the morning but when they get picked up for work, it seems to make their day.
I dont feel sorry for them at all!!
Become a resident (Im not saying you have to become a citizen, but at least have your green card) and then get a job and pay taxes like the rest of us!!!!!
her opinion is surely NOT ignorant! I too, am so tired of paying taxes and higher insurance for others to benefit from illegals!
WOW...ignorance at its best right there!
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| Posted 6/19/07 2:53 PM |
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Lisa
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by MrsRivera
Am I safe in assuming this was pre-Bush, pre-9/11? Because a member of my extended family had lived here for 10 years, and he was just deported. Had a steady job, paid taxes. But because he couldn't get his green card/citizenship here, he was sent back.
Times are different now, and to assume that it's just as easy as getting a green card and paying taxes "like the rest of us" doesn't fly anymore. It's FAR from being that easy.
My husband became a citizen AFTER 9/11...so DONT assume....
and calling me ignorant was uncalled for!!!! I guess only your opinion/life stories count huh?
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curliegirl
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Beth1210
The difference is the contractor most likely has a license and is required to have insurance so if something happens you’re not liable and you and your assets are protected.
I am a tax accountant and I see some of my honest contractors going out of business because they can't compete with the prices of people who hire illegals who don't have to worry about silly things like licenses and insurance.
This isn't meant to sound snotty, it's just the reality, it's not ONLY taxes, and there's a ripple effect. One of my clients goes out of business, now my firm has ALSO lost that revenue...
Good point, Kara, I didn't think of that side of the issue.
another side is- I was watching a show on this- and contractors in Colorado - couldn't get enough legal workers and job sites were being shut done, contractors were going out of business- so it works both ways
Exactly, because so many of us lazy Americans don't want to do manual labor!!!!!!
DH was telling me that a construction company can't get workers because they don't want to do the work.
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| Posted 6/19/07 2:57 PM |
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Bxgell2
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Lisa
My husband became a citizen AFTER 9/11...so DONT assume....
and calling me ignorant was uncalled for!!!! I guess only your opinion/life stories count huh?
Calling anyone ignorant is uncalled for, but I have to reiterate here, my husband has been going through the permanent residency process, and it is a BEAR and ridiculously expensive. Every petition you file, and there are numerous, costs hundreds of dollars. The petitions are insanely confusing and difficult, and if english is not your primary language, would be a complete and total beast to attempt without the assistance of an attorney, who costs thousands of dollars.
Even with my knowledge as an attorney, we are still spending thousands of dollars to obtain my husband's permanent residency. It's not as easy as people think.
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| Posted 6/19/07 2:58 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by Lisa
My husband became a citizen AFTER 9/11...so DONT assume....
and calling me ignorant was uncalled for!!!! I guess only your opinion/life stories count huh?
Calling anyone ignorant is uncalled for, but I have to reiterate here, my husband has been going through the permanent residency process, and it is a BEAR and ridiculously expensive. Every petition you file, and there are numerous, costs hundreds of dollars. The petitions are insanely confusing and difficult, and if english is not your primary language, would be a complete and total beast to attempt without the assistance of an attorney, who costs thousands of dollars.
Even with my knowledge as an attorney, we are still spending thousands of dollars to obtain my husband's permanent residency. It's not as easy as people think.
some of them don't even try though, and it is only fair to the rest of us, if it is obtained.
Good Luck to your husband though
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| Posted 6/19/07 3:01 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by stephanief
Posted by Lisa
So I have a question for anyone that said they would hire them. Do you like paying all the taxes that we do, so that people that DONT pay taxes can collect the benefits? I know I dont.
I have not problem with giving someone a break and helping them out BUT there has to be a point where that person needs to step up and become part of the society that they are living in instead of taking all the time!!!
as sweet tooth mentioned, it is no different than paying your mechanic or contractor cash for a job they do....they are not paying tax on that money either....
I do not see anything wrong with it.
I totally agree, and can put DH in the same boat.
He is a citizen and he has been laid of from his union for some time now. Now he's working for a construction company off the books and he does side jobs for cash.
Otherwise he would be sitting on his butt all day collecting unemployment and living off of us! And he makes more $$ than I do NOT working!!!!
But he wants to work, it's not his fault the situation is crappy.
My point is that we cannot judge people at face value, ESPECIALLY one who wants to work and will sit on the side of the street all day to get it!!
Message edited 6/19/2007 3:03:45 PM.
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Lisa
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by Lisa
My husband became a citizen AFTER 9/11...so DONT assume....
and calling me ignorant was uncalled for!!!! I guess only your opinion/life stories count huh?
Calling anyone ignorant is uncalled for, but I have to reiterate here, my husband has been going through the permanent residency process, and it is a BEAR and ridiculously expensive. Every petition you file, and there are numerous, costs hundreds of dollars. The petitions are insanely confusing and difficult, and if english is not your primary language, would be a complete and total beast to attempt without the assistance of an attorney, who costs thousands of dollars.
Even with my knowledge as an attorney, we are still spending thousands of dollars to obtain my husband's permanent residency. It's not as easy as people think.
It took my DH almost 10 years to do it...and he didnt give up. So I know what he went through....it was something that was VERY important to him.
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Tumbalina
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Lisa
Posted by MrsRivera
Am I safe in assuming this was pre-Bush, pre-9/11? Because a member of my extended family had lived here for 10 years, and he was just deported. Had a steady job, paid taxes. But because he couldn't get his green card/citizenship here, he was sent back.
Times are different now, and to assume that it's just as easy as getting a green card and paying taxes "like the rest of us" doesn't fly anymore. It's FAR from being that easy.
My husband became a citizen AFTER 9/11...so DONT assume....
and calling me ignorant was uncalled for!!!! I guess only your opinion/life stories count huh?
Your husband did the right thing!
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Tumbalina
Calling anyone ignorant is uncalled for, but I have to reiterate here, my husband has been going through the permanent residency process, and it is a BEAR and ridiculously expensive. Every petition you file, and there are numerous, costs hundreds of dollars. The petitions are insanely confusing and difficult, and if english is not your primary language, would be a complete and total beast to attempt without the assistance of an attorney, who costs thousands of dollars.
Even with my knowledge as an attorney, we are still spending thousands of dollars to obtain my husband's permanent residency. It's not as easy as people think.
some of them don't even try though, and it is only fair to the rest of us, if it is obtained.
Good Luck to your husband though
Honestly, I can understand why most do not make an attempt. They are stuck in a catch-22 - they want to work in this country to make a better life for themselves, or escape extreme torture in another country, but that usually means they have little, to no money, so how in the world would they even begin the petition process? Most petitions cost, at a minimum, about $250 - you're talking about a month's worth of work for most of these people.
I certainly don't agree that people should work without becoming citizens and paying taxes - it's fundamental - but I can't blame them when the government makes it virtually impossible unless you are an educated, fairly well-off "immigrant". It's fundamentally unfair.
Thanks - actually, this post reminded me that I have to check with our local immigration office regarding our most recent petition!  
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| Posted 6/19/07 3:05 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by MST9106
Of course I would hire them to help me out! Despite the fact that they don't have a job, these poor guys want to earn a living by working (instead of robbing, or selling drugs)...whether they are here legally or illegally.
I agree 100%
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