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saraH
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
i have more of a problem from the union side of things. like when my dad onlyu works 4 day weeks b/c there is not enough jobs out there.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Ophelia
I am not sure that I would hire them, but most license contractors do anyway..but there is a buffer there, protection for me.
but it wouldn't be b/c they are "illegal" per se...a resident or citizen could be uninsured/unlicensed and probably sue a whole lot faster.
I agree with almost everything you said, but this was the part that got me to post. I deal with contractors everyday - almost every one of them hires illegal immigrants to do work, because they are cheaper and work very hard.
I don't know if I would hire them, simply because as a homeowner, I don't think I would hire anyone who was not licensed or insured to do work in my house. People are just too quick to sue and I work too hard for my money to pay it out for a lawsuit that could have been avoided.
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Superkat
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
My friend had hired some illegal workers to cut her lawn and trim the trees. She was in the house and they were outside. One of the men had brought his daughter with him since he didn't have a babysitter. He was driving a riding lawnmower with his daughter sitting on it. She fell off and he accidentally ran over her. My friend heard the screams and ran outside. They had to medivac the little girl out of there and her prognosis was very grim. She had severed a major artery in her leg and had lost a lot of blood. The man did not hold her liable but it was a scary situation because she felt bad for the family.
They had no insurance and no license. They were illegal immigrants.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Superkat
My friend had hired some illegal workers to cut her lawn and trim the trees. She was in the house and they were outside. One of the men had brought his daughter with him since he didn't have a babysitter. He was driving a riding lawnmower with his daughter sitting on it. She fell off and he accidentally ran over her. My friend heard the screams and ran outside. They had to medivac the little girl out of there and her prognosis was very grim. She had severed a major artery in her leg and had lost a lot of blood. The man did not hold her liable but it was a scary situation because she felt bad for the family.
They had no insurance and no license. They were illegal immigrants.
OMG how horrible!!
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Phyl
Posted by Superkat
My friend had hired some illegal workers to cut her lawn and trim the trees. She was in the house and they were outside. One of the men had brought his daughter with him since he didn't have a babysitter. He was driving a riding lawnmower with his daughter sitting on it. She fell off and he accidentally ran over her. My friend heard the screams and ran outside. They had to medivac the little girl out of there and her prognosis was very grim. She had severed a major artery in her leg and had lost a lot of blood. The man did not hold her liable but it was a scary situation because she felt bad for the family.
They had no insurance and no license. They were illegal immigrants.
OMG how horrible!!
She never heard from them again. She tried to call the hospital but they wouldn't release any information. It was a sad situation all around.
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| Posted 6/19/07 7:33 PM |
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PrincessP
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Superkat
Posted by Phyl
Posted by Superkat
My friend had hired some illegal workers to cut her lawn and trim the trees. She was in the house and they were outside. One of the men had brought his daughter with him since he didn't have a babysitter. He was driving a riding lawnmower with his daughter sitting on it. She fell off and he accidentally ran over her. My friend heard the screams and ran outside. They had to medivac the little girl out of there and her prognosis was very grim. She had severed a major artery in her leg and had lost a lot of blood. The man did not hold her liable but it was a scary situation because she felt bad for the family.
They had no insurance and no license. They were illegal immigrants.
OMG how horrible!!
She never heard from them again. She tried to call the hospital but they wouldn't release any information. It was a sad situation all around.
 OMG
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| Posted 6/19/07 8:38 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
To move, no. Honestly if they broke something they are not insured & then you are S.O.L. for whatever was broken. JMHO.
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| Posted 6/19/07 8:54 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by MST9106
Of course I would hire them to help me out! Despite the fact that they don't have a job, these poor guys want to earn a living by working (instead of robbing, or selling drugs)...whether they are here legally or illegally.
I would also hire them but that's just me
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| Posted 6/19/07 10:03 PM |
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IrishTracy
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
My husband used them all the time. They do awesome work.
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| Posted 6/19/07 10:08 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Geraldine
YES!!!!!!!!!!!! It only contributes to the problem.....
I do not believe hiring them to work contributes to any problem - they are coming into the country regardless and living poor lives... the problem goes a lot deeper than giving them money to do a job few people are willing to do....
I do not think there is anything wrong with it...
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| Posted 6/20/07 12:02 AM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
OMG - that is horrible!!!!! 
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| Posted 6/20/07 12:11 AM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
I wouldn't, but I will never hire anyone to work in my house unless they are licensed and I can get a recommendation. You have no recourse if something goes wrong with the work when you use a day laborer.
And unfortunately you really know nothing about them otherwise- with a licensed, insured contractor at least you know what you're getting. Not too long ago a woman in Rockland was murdered in her home by a day laborer who was working in her house. Now that I have a child, her safety has to come first.
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| Posted 6/20/07 7:40 AM |
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Kara
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by Geraldine
YES!!!!!!!!!!!! It only contributes to the problem.....
I do not believe hiring them to work contributes to any problem - they are coming into the country regardless and living poor lives... the problem goes a lot deeper than giving them money to do a job few people are willing to do....
I do not think there is anything wrong with it...
If moving and painting are jobs "few people are willing to do," why are there so many licensed and insured moving companies and paiting companies?  The fact is, people aren't hiring them out of the goodness of their hearts. People are hiring them so they don't have to pay more money for a licensed, insured company to help them move, paint, garden, etc. In a way, it's taking advantage of their situation as well.
No, I'd never hire an illegal immigrant (or ANYONE who wasn't an insured, licensed professional) to help me move. Not only is hiring an illegal immigrant illegal (and would put my law license in jeopardy), I want someone insured and experienced who comes with references! What if my stuff was damanged - worse yet, what if the home was seriously damaged during moving? This has nothing to do with my position on immigration -- which honestly shouldn't be a deciding factor in this situation anyway. Common sense (to me, anyway) is to go with someone recommended, with references, insurance, and a license. JMHO.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by KittyTheStray
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whats the difference between hiring them or a contractor you pay cash to? Do you think that contractor is paying taxes on the money you just gave him??
The difference is the contractor most likely has a license and is required to have insurance so if something happens you’re not liable and you and your assets are protected.
I am a tax accountant and I see some of my honest contractors going out of business because they can't compete with the prices of people who hire illegals who don't have to worry about silly things like licenses and insurance.
This isn't meant to sound snotty, it's just the reality, it's not ONLY taxes, and there's a ripple effect. One of my clients goes out of business, now my firm has ALSO lost that revenue...
as an owner of a contracting company I have to agree. I also have problems with police officers & firemen that work as unlicensed & unisured tradesmen on their days off. Of course they can do the work cheaper than us, they already earn 120k+ a year, their side job is gravy.
They too drive legit business owners out.
If you enter this country the right way & you fill out your papers with intentions to get a green card BEFORE you sneak in the country, it is acheivable. Yes it is difficult, time consuming & costly but that is how our system works. My ancestors had to pay the price too.
I don't feel bad for them, I feel bad for Americans that are leaving LI because they can't afford to live here anymore.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
ITA... what is wrong with becoming legal? Doing the "right" thing is for everybody. Not just a portion of the immigration population and not the rest.
I almost feel like you have to "justify" yourself here for being legal and that you MUST be a priviledged person.
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| Posted 6/20/07 8:13 AM |
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Diane
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
To hire someone ILLEGALLY ...NO, my DH has all legal workers and green cards. They are all being paid ON the books and get paid very well. They bust their butts off and are willing to work 7 days a week if they had to.
My Dh will NOT take a chance and hire someone illegally.
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| Posted 6/20/07 9:05 AM |
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skew
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
for those of you that state, "i would never hire illegal immigrants” do you verify that the contractors, landscapers and companies that you employ don’t as well? if not, it is a hypocritical statement. MANY contractors do hire illegal immigrants because as mentioned, they demand less compensation and are very diligent workers. so, basically you ARE hiring “illegals”. only difference is, you are doing so through the employment of a middleman. for liability purposes, absolutely hire contractors, landscapers and companies that are licensed and insured but if it based on ethical reasoning due to not wanting to employ an “illegal” than that should be a confirmed hiring requirement as well.
i also do not see the difference of paying a "legal" contractor in cash versus paying an “illegal immigrant” in cash. sure, the contractor may be licensed and insured but they does not imply that they are honest and claim taxes on all that they earn.
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Lisa
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by skew
for those of you that state, "i would never hire illegal immigrants” do you verify that the contractors, landscapers and companies that you employ don’t as well? if not, it is a hypocritical statement. MANY contractors do hire illegal immigrants because as mentioned, they demand less compensation and are very diligent workers. so, basically you ARE hiring “illegals”. only difference is, you are doing so through the employment of a middleman. for liability purposes, absolutely hire contractors, landscapers and companies that are licensed and insured but if it based on ethical reasoning due to not wanting to employ an “illegal” than that should be a confirmed hiring requirement as well.
i also do not see the difference of paying a "legal" contractor in cash versus paying an “illegal immigrant” in cash. sure, the contractor may be licensed and insured but they does not imply that they are honest and claim taxes on all that they earn.
Anytime we have hired a contractor, we ask about their employees and if they are legal. Of course we can only take their word on it but we do ask.
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| Posted 6/20/07 9:51 AM |
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skew
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
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Posted by skew
for those of you that state, "i would never hire illegal immigrants” do you verify that the contractors, landscapers and companies that you employ don’t as well? if not, it is a hypocritical statement. MANY contractors do hire illegal immigrants because as mentioned, they demand less compensation and are very diligent workers. so, basically you ARE hiring “illegals”. only difference is, you are doing so through the employment of a middleman. for liability purposes, absolutely hire contractors, landscapers and companies that are licensed and insured but if it based on ethical reasoning due to not wanting to employ an “illegal” than that should be a confirmed hiring requirement as well.
i also do not see the difference of paying a "legal" contractor in cash versus paying an “illegal immigrant” in cash. sure, the contractor may be licensed and insured but they does not imply that they are honest and claim taxes on all that they earn.
Anytime we have hired a contractor, we ask about their employees and if they are legal. Of course we can only take their word on it but we do ask.
but for those that dont verify yet state "i would never hire an illegal immigrant" are not only being hypocrtical but naive as well.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Forget the licenses and insurance issues that come along with hiring day laborers... I woudn't trust them! Not because their illegal immigrants but because they're workers that are just being picked up off the street... I certainly wouldn't leave them or any other worker in my home alone, but how do you keep an eye on all of them... I will only hire people to work on my home if I can get a referral from another person who can back up their work.
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| Posted 6/20/07 10:42 AM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by KellyFG
My ancestors had to pay the price too.
no, they didn't. especially if you are talking "ancestors"
it was MUCH easier for someone to come here off the boat and find work, b/c there was not "licensing" or insurance back when this country was being 'built"
"illegals" and "day laborers" are doing the SAME EXACT thing your ancestors did when they got here....hitting the ground running, trying to make money to provide for themselves and their families.
the laws we have in place protect those that are already established here..FINE. but understand that it was not always so. and the obstacles those wishing to come to this country now face are quite different than those that were faced only a few generations ago.
the only difference is in the LAW not in the LIFE.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Bxgell2
I have no qualms in using illegal day laborers. We have been ripped off way too many times by "contractors" who do a ridiculously poor job, for which we've paid thousands.
I believe in a free economy - if these guys do good work, for less money, then yes, I'll hire them.
As for getting your green card and paying taxes, does anyone have an inkling of an idea as to how ridiculously expensive, and confusing that process entails? The government makes it virtually impossible for a poor migrant worker to obtain citizenship. Until that process is less expensive, and less confusing, I have absolutely no problem with hiring them.
GREAT point! I think "illegal" immigrants for the most part......are honest, and more hard-working than most Americans I know. Sorry, but its my opinion and I find it to be the truth!
And to answer, No, I would not be against hiring them. I havent yet, but certainly wouldnt be against it. I give them a lot of credit for what they do. Its not like at 5pm, they go home. They attempt to work very hard to find work.....there is no day off for them. They need to feed themselves and their families........and my heart goes out to them.
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| Posted 6/20/07 11:09 AM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by KellyFG
My ancestors had to pay the price too.
no, they didn't. especially if you are talking "ancestors"
it was MUCH easier for someone to come here off the boat and find work, b/c there was not "licensing" or insurance back when this country was being 'built"
"illegals" and "day laborers" are doing the SAME EXACT thing your ancestors did when they got here....hitting the ground running, trying to make money to provide for themselves and their families.
the laws we have in place protect those that are already established here..FINE. but understand that it was not always so. and the obstacles those wishing to come to this country now face are quite different than those that were faced only a few generations ago.
the only difference is in the LAW not in the LIFE.
when I refer to my ancestors, I mean my maternal great grandparents & paternal great great grandparents & my DH's family coming here fro Europe & South America during the twentieth century.
We have purchased copies of their sponsorship papers & the ellis island records, as well as the records from the ships they came over on.
It took my great great grandfather years to become a citizen.
My DH's step grandfather was deported back to Santo Domingo AFTER he was already married to DHs grandma because his Visa was expired. It took him a year to reapply & get back here to be with his wife & become a citizen.
For the last 100 years or so it has been a time comsuming, expensive PRIVILEDGE to become an American.
People need to follow the process the way it was designed, If people don't like it, when they earn their right to vote via citizenship, they can elect officials that want to change the system.
ETS-my great grandparents from Italy had to have family refrences & Jobs secured BEFORE they got here.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Me too. Most of these guys are very hard working and need money to feed their families. If you are concerned that they don't pay taxes like "the rest of us," then whats the difference between hiring them or a contractor you pay cash to? Do you think that contractor is paying taxes on the money you just gave him??
This was my take on it. There is not nearly as much uproar over people - American citizens - working off the books. It's the same principle, no? no health ins, not paying taxes...
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by KellyFG
My ancestors had to pay the price too.
no, they didn't. especially if you are talking "ancestors"
it was MUCH easier for someone to come here off the boat and find work, b/c there was not "licensing" or insurance back when this country was being 'built"
"illegals" and "day laborers" are doing the SAME EXACT thing your ancestors did when they got here....hitting the ground running, trying to make money to provide for themselves and their families.
the laws we have in place protect those that are already established here..FINE. but understand that it was not always so. and the obstacles those wishing to come to this country now face are quite different than those that were faced only a few generations ago.
the only difference is in the LAW not in the LIFE.
when I refer to my ancestors, I mean my maternal great grandparents & paternal great great grandparents & my DH's family coming here fro Europe & South America during the twentieth century.
We have purchased copies of their sponsorship papers & the ellis island records, as well as the records from the ships they came over on.
It took my great great grandfather years to become a citizen.
My DH's step grandfather was deported back to Santo Domingo AFTER he was already married to DHs grandma because his Visa was expired. It took him a year to reapply & get back here to be with his wife & become a citizen.
For the last 100 years or so it has been a time comsuming, expensive PRIVILEDGE to become an American.
People need to follow the process the way it was designed, If people don't like it, when they earn their right to vote via citizenship, they can elect officials that want to change the system.
ETS-my great grandparents from Italy had to have family refrences & Jobs secured BEFORE they got here.
I understand that, but please know it is MUCH harder than that now.
trust me...it's not the same. not by a long shot.
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