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Phyl
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Lisa
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Posted by Lisa
My husband became a citizen AFTER 9/11...so DONT assume....
and calling me ignorant was uncalled for!!!! I guess only your opinion/life stories count huh?
Calling anyone ignorant is uncalled for, but I have to reiterate here, my husband has been going through the permanent residency process, and it is a BEAR and ridiculously expensive. Every petition you file, and there are numerous, costs hundreds of dollars. The petitions are insanely confusing and difficult, and if english is not your primary language, would be a complete and total beast to attempt without the assistance of an attorney, who costs thousands of dollars.
Even with my knowledge as an attorney, we are still spending thousands of dollars to obtain my husband's permanent residency. It's not as easy as people think.
It took my DH almost 10 years to do it...and he didnt give up. So I know what he went through....it was something that was VERY important to him.
It really is a long process! At work there are several guys that are still in the process after 10 years!!!!
ETA; ALso we have to provide proof that someone that is already a citizen couldn't fill their position! They have done all the right things to be able to work and stay and it just takes FOREVER!! We aren't in the construction business. We are a machine shop.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
My DH has hired day laborers to help him with the installation and landscaping for our pool...I don't think it's particularly "right" but those guys worked their a$$es off and were very thankful for the work.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by MrsRivera
Am I safe in assuming this was pre-Bush, pre-9/11? Because a member of my extended family had lived here for 10 years, and he was just deported. Had a steady job, paid taxes. But because he couldn't get his green card/citizenship here, he was sent back.
Times are different now, and to assume that it's just as easy as getting a green card and paying taxes "like the rest of us" doesn't fly anymore. It's FAR from being that easy.
How did he pay taxes if he didnt have a green card? (really, i am asking for informative purposes, not sarcasm!)
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| Posted 6/19/07 3:17 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by TeddyBear922
I do not have a problem with hiring day laborers - legal or not. Especially the illegal ones....they are very hard working people and will work for pennies. It would be tough to find an american that would do the jobs the illegals do for the money they get paid. Not many americans would work 15 hour days for under 100.00 a day. All these people want to do is half a roof over their heads and put food on the table for their families.
Sorry this is a sore spot with me.
ITA - I think most of us would be in shock at what prices for everyday items (especially groceries) would be withough illegal, migrant workers.
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| Posted 6/19/07 3:18 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by MrsRivera
Am I safe in assuming this was pre-Bush, pre-9/11? Because a member of my extended family had lived here for 10 years, and he was just deported. Had a steady job, paid taxes. But because he couldn't get his green card/citizenship here, he was sent back.
Times are different now, and to assume that it's just as easy as getting a green card and paying taxes "like the rest of us" doesn't fly anymore. It's FAR from being that easy.
How did he pay taxes if he didnt have a green card? (really, i am asking for informative purposes, not sarcasm!)
That is a great point.
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| Posted 6/19/07 3:18 PM |
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Phyl
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Lisa
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by MrsRivera
Am I safe in assuming this was pre-Bush, pre-9/11? Because a member of my extended family had lived here for 10 years, and he was just deported. Had a steady job, paid taxes. But because he couldn't get his green card/citizenship here, he was sent back.
Times are different now, and to assume that it's just as easy as getting a green card and paying taxes "like the rest of us" doesn't fly anymore. It's FAR from being that easy.
How did he pay taxes if he didnt have a green card? (really, i am asking for informative purposes, not sarcasm!)
That is a great point.
Usually they pay taxes thru a fake SS # so they don't get credit for it anyway! This is meant for if they don't have a valid green card .
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| Posted 6/19/07 3:21 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by cpanyc
Posted by Lisa
Posted by Meaghan729
How did he pay taxes if he didnt have a green card? (really, i am asking for informative purposes, not sarcasm!)
That is a great point.
THe IRS has Individual Tax Identification Number (TIN) for “foreigners” who don’t qualify for a Social Security number but want to file taxes.
Yes this is correct...a friend of mine married an israeli girl who does not have a ss# yet and they filed their tax return using a TIN.
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| Posted 6/19/07 3:21 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by cpanyc
Posted by Lisa
Posted by Meaghan729
How did he pay taxes if he didnt have a green card? (really, i am asking for informative purposes, not sarcasm!)
That is a great point.
THe IRS has Individual Tax Identification Number (TIN) for “foreigners” who don’t qualify for a Social Security number but want to file taxes.
thanks!
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| Posted 6/19/07 3:31 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by SweetTooth
Me too. Most of these guys are very hard working and need money to feed their families. If you are concerned that they don't pay taxes like "the rest of us," then whats the difference between hiring them or a contractor you pay cash to? Do you think that contractor is paying taxes on the money you just gave him??
I totally agree. Many of these people are quite hard-working. If they are willing to work, they deserve a chance to work.
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| Posted 6/19/07 3:44 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
unless you are going through it or work in it, with all due respect, none of you know what you are talking about.
Many many many people hundreds of thousands of people file petitions in the court EVERY day.
you can't just "apply" to come here. countries have quotas...you have to have a REASON to be admitted into this country.
looking for "the american dream" doesnt cut it anymore.
In my office we deal with MANY of these cases. this country is in the middle of an unprecedented immigrations crunch...
so, just b/c someone can't flash their green card doesn't mean they are not going through the motions, doesn't mean they don't want to do it...doesn't mean they aren't busting their assses to try.
this whole thread is filled with assumptions.
work for the ICE or the DOJ, and then see what you think/know.
I am not sure that I would hire them, but most license contractors do anyway..but there is a buffer there, protection for me.
but it wouldn't be b/c they are "illegal" per se...a resident or citizen could be uninsured/unlicensed and probably sue a whole lot faster.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
I also agree with this! I dont' see anything wrong with it.
What bothers me are the people who never want to work and live off the system and MY tax dollars for years and years without even making the effort to get or hold a job.
ETS: And those people I speak of are citizens!!!!
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shiv
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
For those that don't think it's wrong:
Do you think it's right to be paying people such small amounts for their labor? Are they only worth that much or are you taking advantage of a "illegal worker discount"?
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| Posted 6/19/07 4:24 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by shiv
For those that don't think it's wrong:
Do you think it's right to be paying people such small amounts for their labor? Are they only worth that much or are you taking advantage of a "illegal worker discount"?
I think the going rate is $100- $150 a day- which is not so bad- more then minium wage
I have more of an issue with minium wage- then what day labors get
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Lisa
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by MrsRivera
Am I safe in assuming this was pre-Bush, pre-9/11? Because a member of my extended family had lived here for 10 years, and he was just deported. Had a steady job, paid taxes. But because he couldn't get his green card/citizenship here, he was sent back.
Times are different now, and to assume that it's just as easy as getting a green card and paying taxes "like the rest of us" doesn't fly anymore. It's FAR from being that easy.
How did he pay taxes if he didnt have a green card? (really, i am asking for informative purposes, not sarcasm!)
That is a great point.
My brother-in-law's cousin had a resident alien ID # that he paid his taxes through. I guess this thread gets me angry, because most people TRULY don't understand what it takes to become a citizen. I didn't mean to offend anyone, it just makes me angry. This person was a TAX-PAYING person who was CONTRIBUTING to society, and because he wasn't able to pay the high price to become a citizen, he was sent back.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
A friend of ours used day laborers to work on their house and they came home to find that one of the guys had a girl there. I don't know if I could trust them. Plus there is the whole issue of not having work permits and insurance and stuff. Too risky IMO.
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| Posted 6/19/07 4:46 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by babybug631
A friend of ours used day laborers to work on their house and they came home to find that one of the guys had a girl there.
I understand-this was obv. not the ideal situation for your friend- BUT that can happen no matter who it is... being a day laborer has nothing to do with it
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by MrsRivera
My brother-in-law's cousin had a resident alien ID # that he paid his taxes through. I guess this thread gets me angry, because most people TRULY don't understand what it takes to become a citizen. I didn't mean to offend anyone, it just makes me angry. This person was a TAX-PAYING person who was CONTRIBUTING to society, and because he wasn't able to pay the high price to become a citizen, he was sent back.
Not to mention the fact that anyone who walks into a supermarket, a bodega, a drug store, purchases services, or any other host of daily activities is probably paying sales tax on something on top of already being a consumer of local goods. So it's not like people walk into this country and just suck it dry and send the money back home to wherever they are from.
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| Posted 6/19/07 4:57 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by Lisa
Posted by MrsRivera
Am I safe in assuming this was pre-Bush, pre-9/11? Because a member of my extended family had lived here for 10 years, and he was just deported. Had a steady job, paid taxes. But because he couldn't get his green card/citizenship here, he was sent back.
Times are different now, and to assume that it's just as easy as getting a green card and paying taxes "like the rest of us" doesn't fly anymore. It's FAR from being that easy.
My husband became a citizen AFTER 9/11...so DONT assume....
and calling me ignorant was uncalled for!!!! I guess only your opinion/life stories count huh?
calling someone ignorant is completely uncalled for.
IMO, it is wrong. we just spent 20K+ getting our house redone and one of our requirements was that the contractor we hired used only legal workers. they were still immigrants, and they worked hard, but we knew they were working legally
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| Posted 6/19/07 4:59 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by babybug631
A friend of ours used day laborers to work on their house and they came home to find that one of the guys had a girl there. I don't know if I could trust them. Plus there is the whole issue of not having work permits and insurance and stuff. Too risky IMO.
I would never have anyone work on my house, legal or not, without me there. TThat was poor judgement on your friend's part all around.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by shiv
For those that don't think it's wrong:
Do you think it's right to be paying people such small amounts for their labor? Are they only worth that much or are you taking advantage of a "illegal worker discount"?
Many people who work in this country make a LOT less, get your head out of the sand.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Posted by mitabtrfly
Posted by Meaghan729
I would never. What if someone got hurt? Would you pay their medical bills?
I didn't say I agreed with it, I just wanted opinions. As I said my brother in law did, but I have also found since DH is a police officer and works in an area where there are alot of illegal immigrants, alot of times they opt to not to go a hospital out of fear of being deported and having medical expenses. Of course if I (which I haven't) used them and they got hurt, then I would offer to pay..it's the RIGHT THING TO DO!!!!!.
I'm on the fence about it. I just don't know if it is something I would do.
They DO go for medical treatment and it goes without saying that some injuries are too severe to skip out on treatment for. I used to be a workers' comp lawyer (still a lawyer, no longer handling workers' comp). My name is still out there, I guess, b/c I get calls ALL THE TIME from injured day laborers who were hurt on the job and from employers (some individuals and some businesses) who suddenly need to defend a case. You can easily lose your house over an injured day laborer.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
I wouldn't do it simply to avoid the risks associated (injuries and what if they aren't so honest, hard working guys and stole from me/came back and stole...). I would be more comfortable hiring someone and paying more knowing I had a legal leg or 2 to stand on IF anything happened.
So to answer the original question: I don't think it's wrong...I think it's too risky.
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Becoming a citizen in this country is a difficult task. The test that people are required to take is quite challenging and I am sure many adults who are US Citizens would not be able to pass the test.
IMO, people should be given a chance to come to the United States for a better life. Afterall, that concept dates back in history for hundreds of years.
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| Posted 6/19/07 5:41 PM |
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Re: Do you think it's wrong to hire "Day Laborers" to help you move/paint?
Although it's sad that they are standing around waiting for work, I would never hire them.
I don't believe that we should be paying illegals cash to work when they aren't paying taxes, social security, etc.
I understand that they have a hard life here, but they came here illegally and until they are legal citizens, I don't hire them.
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