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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by Hofstra26
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I'm not going to quote but as for kindergarten now compared to when we were young, it is totally different. I am not sure how anyone could say it's not.
When I was in kindergarten it was half day, we had nap time, and we spent most of the time learning letters and numbers. We didn't get any homework. Kindergarten now is full day, no rest time, my daughter gets 20 minute recess and 20 minutes at the end of the day for play time. She was expected to know all of her letters and numbers before entering K so that they could start learning to read and start doing basic math. She also gets about 5 worksheets a night for homework. That was first grade when we were growing up. There is no disputing that kindergarten today is definitely a lot different than when we were all growing up (unless I am dating myself and you are all in your early 20s!).
That being said, I think that the majority of 5 year olds are capable of handling the workload of Kindergarten, but NY has a very late cutoff compared to the rest of the country. In these early years a few months does make a difference. I firmly believe NY needs to change the cutoff.
BTW this is coming from the mother of an Aug 28 (which in the majority of the country would have been 2 days from the cutoff) who did not hold their child.
It's different but it's not INSANE like some parents make it out to be. And I had the same experience as you in Kindergarten (I'm 40  ) however, I still think people make a way bigger deal about what's expected in Kindergarten then they need to. And while it's beneficial to go in knowing letters and numbers (which most kids know anyway by the age) they STILL teach letters and letter sounds ALL YEAR, they STILL teach numbers and counting, they STILL teach color recognition. The biggest difference from back in our day was they start teaching them to read at an earlier age which isn't a bad thing IMO. I actually think Kindergarten was way too laid back and easy when we were kids, it was almost a pointless waste of a year.
The problem with holding kids back is that having that whole extra year home won't necessarily make them more ready for Kindergarten it could also have a negative impact in that Kindergarten work and activities will seem baby'ish, boring, and below them by the time they start school. I feel strongly that it's better to let the younger ones just start school and at worse, repeat the grade rather then just assuming they can't handle the workload. Every kid is different, I get that, but if parents are going to start taking it upon themselves to decide when their kids will start school despite the cutoffs so that we have 4 yr olds in the same classroom as 6 yr olds then we're going to create a lot of other issues within the class. JMO.
I agree. DD started K in Sept and to hear people talk I was ready for 3 hours of homework a night and her having to write 50 page essays.
It's not like that AT ALL.
It's fine. It's like 10 min of homework a night, and everything so far has been super easy. More than when I went to K? Maybe. But nothing a 5 year old, even a young 5 year old, could not handle - ESPECIALLY after going to Pre K.
Most of the stuff she is doing is not much more than she learned in Pre K, just up a notch. To me, it's age appropriate and fine. She isn't stressed out by it all, nor am I. She actually asks for more homework. She doesn't come home stressed or upset and her teacher doesn't push them over their limits in the least. I am sitting here like- WHERE is all this hype?
If I had a child on the cusp, I'd go by my district's guidelines and cut off.
We have a Dec 1st cut off
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
This was a great thread until the sanctimommies got involved. We all make our own choices for our children and nobody here is doing the "wrong" thing by their children. Why do people have to use every opportunity to put other parents and their choices down? I don't think that anyone on this thread is going to change their mind on the issue so let it be. Honestly, I'm ashamed of myself for even responding to this when I said I wouldn't.
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
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I don't want to add to the already long quotes but this thread is down right disturbing. I almost feel like I am in the twilight zone that the parents of a July child (a very bright one as noted), coming from a "family of educators" no less would think that holding a child back to start Kindergarten potentially 17 months older than his or her peers is something perfectly acceptable and mainstream! The world we live in today in downright scary. Any teacher can tell you that a 17 month age difference in a classroom is completely unacceptable for ALL the students. I have seen that there has been talk in some states (I believe CT) to end this insanity. Hopefully all states will follow suit.
Don't try to tell me that this is done for any other reason than a selfish almost pathetic parental motivation (talking about the case of July,Aug, Sept babies that are smart with no disability or issues)! Even with Oct., Nov. issues it is debatable but, honestly, what choice do they have when there are nuts holding back summer babies! Who would want to send their child into a classroom with kids almost 1.5 years older! There is another name for redshirting and it is HOLDING BACK. Because, that is exactly what you are doing - holding back your child from growing, maturing and learning for an entire year. If you have a bright child IMO this is abuse. The child should be allowed to learn and grow on a developmentally appropriate curve and instead you are halting their development in all ways - putting your child in essence, in a class with a bunch of babies, halting their learning and social development for a year just so your child can artificially appear to shine amongst the rest as ANY child a year older would do. There are NUMEROUS studies that show that redshirting is actually dangerous in the long run.
To answer the original post my child started Kindergarten when he was supposed to. He was bored as it was and how could I hold him back from learning on his developmental level. I saw him grow leaps and bounds in Kindergarten. Did I see a difference between when he entered and when my January bday entered ABSOLUTELY - but, that is the way it works. But, I could never have held him back from learning, growing, maturing etc. It would not have been fair to him. I could go ON and ON but, I see the point is lost here because some of these posts don't even make sense!
Listen, you are entitled to your opinion but you have absolutely no right to make generalizations about any of us being "pathetic" or holding our children back. Do you live in my house? Do you know the quality and developmentally appropriate education my child is already receiving? You don't. I'm not all that anxious to put my child in school, I would rather socialize and educate her at the pace I, her mother, feel is acceptable and that is FULLY within the permissible calendar established by my home district. Many of you sanctimommies keep brining up the fact that you don't want your 4 year old in a class with older kids. Neither do I! However, your kid isn't my concern, mine is and she will be waiting to start k.
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by teachermom
This was a great thread until the sanctimommies got involved. We all make our own choices for our children and nobody here is doing the "wrong" thing by their children. Why do people have to use every opportunity to put other parents and their choices down? I don't think that anyone on this thread is going to change their mind on the issue so let it be. Honestly, I'm ashamed of myself for even responding to this when I said I wouldn't.
I don't care what anyone does with their kid's education unless it affects my own kid's education. Normalizing red shirting does affect my kid bc he ends up a baby in his class- a class he's meant to be in. Imo there's a difference between one or two kids in the class who have a special need for it, and like 30% of the class being red shirted. To me, that's where the issue is. You should have to be approved based on a specific need.
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by WonderLady
Posted by teachermom
This was a great thread until the sanctimommies got involved. We all make our own choices for our children and nobody here is doing the "wrong" thing by their children. Why do people have to use every opportunity to put other parents and their choices down? I don't think that anyone on this thread is going to change their mind on the issue so let it be. Honestly, I'm ashamed of myself for even responding to this when I said I wouldn't.
I don't care what anyone does with their kid's education unless it affects my own kid's education. Normalizing red shirting does affect my kid bc he ends up a baby in his class- a class he's meant to be in. Imo there's a difference between one or two kids in the class who have a special need for it, and like 30% of the class being red shirted. To me, that's where the issue is. You should have to be approved based on a specific need.
ITA. Redshirting 100% has an effect on MY child with a late birthday.
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by MegZee
Posted by WonderLady
Posted by teachermom
This was a great thread until the sanctimommies got involved. We all make our own choices for our children and nobody here is doing the "wrong" thing by their children. Why do people have to use every opportunity to put other parents and their choices down? I don't think that anyone on this thread is going to change their mind on the issue so let it be. Honestly, I'm ashamed of myself for even responding to this when I said I wouldn't.
I don't care what anyone does with their kid's education unless it affects my own kid's education. Normalizing red shirting does affect my kid bc he ends up a baby in his class- a class he's meant to be in. Imo there's a difference between one or two kids in the class who have a special need for it, and like 30% of the class being red shirted. To me, that's where the issue is. You should have to be approved based on a specific need.
ITA. Redshirting 100% has an effect on MY child with a late birthday.
Exactly.
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by Hofstra26
I'm SO sick of hearing how "hard" Kindergarten is and how it's "so different" nowadays because the reality is.........it's really not. I taught Kindergarten and it was in NO way the same as being in 1st grade. My my DD started Kindergarten at age 4, she's one of the youngest in the grade and she adjusted just fine, did great all year, was reading with ease withing the 1st month of school, and now in 2nd grade continues to thrive despite the fact that she has peers in her class almost a full year older.
In Kindergarten she still had free play time EVERY day, recess, simple HW, no testing, and plenty of time for fun and creativity. People have REALLY overblown this whole notion of Kindergarten "not being what it use to be".
I am not one to judge...I think every parent should make their own decision. However, I just want to point out that this information about kindergarten above was definitely not accurate for my daughter last year. There was no free time at all, no room at all for creativity. Thanks to Common Core, they worked on domains and math units that were causing a lot of children stress. She had a math test for every unit, most of which contained 20 questions. It was a really hard year not just for my daughter, but for many kids. I spoke with plenty of her classmates' parents. I truly believe kindergarten is absolutely "not what is used to be."
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Kindergarten is definitely different. I napped (in the 1980s in a top Queens school district). I never really napped, so thought it was weird.
My DS's current teacher is a former 1st grade teacher who moved to K when they changed the curriculum to reading & writing.
All of it being said, there is a huge difference between a 5 & 6 year old that I'm feeling (not having redshirted).
Don't know what I would do now knowing what I know.
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I'm pretty sure most people said that if there is a legitimate reason to hold back (developmental issues etc), that's one thing but just for the hell of it/sports/ego is harmful and ridiculous
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
The common thing that I see is that people that are totally against redshirting even for late in the year birthdays is that they have late in the year birthday children that were ready for kindergarten the year they were supposed to start. But you might want to ask yourself, what if my child had no significant delays but they just were not there emotionally or academically? I never thought I would ever consider redshirting, holding back, whatever you want to call it for my child. But my daughter is late August and she was not academically as prepared for Kindergarten as she should have been. I struggled with the decision of holding her or pushing her through because I KNEW she would struggle. I pushed her thru and she is struggling. She is a hard worker and she is trying SO HARD. But it's still a struggle. And as a result of this she begs me not to go to school every day. She asks me if I can ask the teacher to shorten the day because it's too long. She gets off the bus crying about 50% of the days from sheer exhaustion. So it's wonderful, she's learning that as other posters have suggested that you need to work hard in life, that not everything will come as easily to you, life isn't fair!!! These are actually NOT the lessons that I wanted to use her education to teach. There are plenty of opportunities in sports and extras to teach these lessons. Kindergarten should be about fostering a love of school and education. It should be to get children excited about learning. Not to make them dread it. I still think that I made the best decision for my child, despite all of this. But I would never want to take that decision away from another parent. And to be honest, a child who meets the cutoff but is not ready for kindergarten will be much more disruptive to the class than a child that was redshirted. You can teach your child that some kids need a little extra time. That that kid is big, not that you are small. And that everyone loses their teeth at different times (my son didn't lose any until 2nd grade and he's one of the oldest in his class!).
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
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Posted by Hofstra26
I'm SO sick of hearing how "hard" Kindergarten is and how it's "so different" nowadays because the reality is.........it's really not. I taught Kindergarten and it was in NO way the same as being in 1st grade. My my DD started Kindergarten at age 4, she's one of the youngest in the grade and she adjusted just fine, did great all year, was reading with ease withing the 1st month of school, and now in 2nd grade continues to thrive despite the fact that she has peers in her class almost a full year older.
In Kindergarten she still had free play time EVERY day, recess, simple HW, no testing, and plenty of time for fun and creativity. People have REALLY overblown this whole notion of Kindergarten "not being what it use to be".
I am not one to judge...I think every parent should make their own decision. However, I just want to point out that this information about kindergarten above was definitely not accurate for my daughter last year. There was no free time at all, no room at all for creativity. Thanks to Common Core, they worked on domains and math units that were causing a lot of children stress. She had a math test for every unit, most of which contained 20 questions. It was a really hard year not just for my daughter, but for many kids. I spoke with plenty of her classmates' parents. I truly believe kindergarten is absolutely "not what is used to be."
I also think it depends on the school and the teacher. DD has free time in her K class and they also do creative projects all the time. She comes home with so many drawings, art projects they do in class, adorable stuff.
they have recess every day. If it's not nice out they play indoors, the teacher brought in a dollhouse and work bench and they are invited to bring toys from home to play with during recess.
They color- granted it's educational coloring, like they just learned to read all the color words so they have to read the word and color the item that color, or they draw pics of the Lincoln and Washington and MLK, but it's still coloring, drawing, etc.
We are doing common core in our district but i don't see the teacher pushing them too hard or her getting stressed.
I absolutely think it varies from teacher to teacher.
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by NervousNell
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Posted by Hofstra26
I'm SO sick of hearing how "hard" Kindergarten is and how it's "so different" nowadays because the reality is.........it's really not. I taught Kindergarten and it was in NO way the same as being in 1st grade. My my DD started Kindergarten at age 4, she's one of the youngest in the grade and she adjusted just fine, did great all year, was reading with ease withing the 1st month of school, and now in 2nd grade continues to thrive despite the fact that she has peers in her class almost a full year older.
In Kindergarten she still had free play time EVERY day, recess, simple HW, no testing, and plenty of time for fun and creativity. People have REALLY overblown this whole notion of Kindergarten "not being what it use to be".
I am not one to judge...I think every parent should make their own decision. However, I just want to point out that this information about kindergarten above was definitely not accurate for my daughter last year. There was no free time at all, no room at all for creativity. Thanks to Common Core, they worked on domains and math units that were causing a lot of children stress. She had a math test for every unit, most of which contained 20 questions. It was a really hard year not just for my daughter, but for many kids. I spoke with plenty of her classmates' parents. I truly believe kindergarten is absolutely "not what is used to be."
I also think it depends on the school and the teacher. DD has free time in her K class and they also do creative projects all the time. She comes home with so many drawings, art projects they do in class, adorable stuff.
they have recess every day. If it's not nice out they play indoors, the teacher brought in a dollhouse and work bench and they are invited to bring toys from home to play with during recess.
They color- granted it's educational coloring, like they just learned to read all the color words so they have to read the word and color the item that color, or they draw pics of the Lincoln and Washington and MLK, but it's still coloring, drawing, etc.
We are doing common core in our district but i don't see the teacher pushing them too hard or her getting stressed.
I absolutely think it varies from teacher to teacher.
ITA! And from my experience teaching in the city schools, I think it's far worse there than on the island in regards to the pressure and expectations put on the kids.
In Kindergarten my DD didn't get any HW, tests, or quizzes. They did fun, creative projects. They had free time every afternoon where they could play with blocks, art supplies, games, dolls, the pretend kitchen area, etc. They celebrated holidays and had parties and everything they did in school was age appropriate and not stressful to the children. My DD LOVED Kindergarten, she never wanted to come home. lol
And even in 1st grade, while it was more work than Kindergarten and she started getting HW her teacher STILL tried a few times a week to give them extra free time outside if it was nice because she felt it was beneficial to the kids to have that time to unwind after hours of learning. Ultimately, how each grade is really depends a lot on the teacher and school but for my DD, I was very happy with how her Kindergarten year went and I never felt that she was pushed, stressed, or miserable. It think it was EXACTLY what Kindergarten should be, a nice balance between work, play, and creativity.
ETA - We also have Common Core in our district.
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
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Posted by teachermom
This was a great thread until the sanctimommies got involved. We all make our own choices for our children and nobody here is doing the "wrong" thing by their children. Why do people have to use every opportunity to put other parents and their choices down? I don't think that anyone on this thread is going to change their mind on the issue so let it be. Honestly, I'm ashamed of myself for even responding to this when I said I wouldn't.
I don't care what anyone does with their kid's education unless it affects my own kid's education. Normalizing red shirting does affect my kid bc he ends up a baby in his class- a class he's meant to be in. Imo there's a difference between one or two kids in the class who have a special need for it, and like 30% of the class being red shirted. To me, that's where the issue is. You should have to be approved based on a specific need.
ITA. Redshirting 100% has an effect on MY child with a late birthday.
I agree! And I don't need my 13 yr old daughter (who is in her appropriate grade) in high school with 19 year old MEN. That is terrifying to me.
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by Katareen
Posted by MegZee
Posted by WonderLady
Posted by teachermom
This was a great thread until the sanctimommies got involved. We all make our own choices for our children and nobody here is doing the "wrong" thing by their children. Why do people have to use every opportunity to put other parents and their choices down? I don't think that anyone on this thread is going to change their mind on the issue so let it be. Honestly, I'm ashamed of myself for even responding to this when I said I wouldn't.
I don't care what anyone does with their kid's education unless it affects my own kid's education. Normalizing red shirting does affect my kid bc he ends up a baby in his class- a class he's meant to be in. Imo there's a difference between one or two kids in the class who have a special need for it, and like 30% of the class being red shirted. To me, that's where the issue is. You should have to be approved based on a specific need.
ITA. Redshirting 100% has an effect on MY child with a late birthday.
I agree! And I don't need my 13 yr old daughter (who is in her appropriate grade) in high school with 19 year old MEN. That is terrifying to me.
Just to ease your concerns, your 13 year old will turn 14 at the beginning of 9th grade and even the kids who were redshirted will have just turned 18. There will never be a 6 year age difference. But in my district 7-12 is all one school so the 11/12 year olds are with the 17/18 year olds. I don't think it's ever been an issue and to my knowledge none of them have been raped or taken advantage of because they are in school with kids so much older. If anything the 7th and 8th graders are getting in trouble for giving BJs in the hallway to other 7th and 8th graders.
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
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Posted by teachermom
This was a great thread until the sanctimommies got involved. We all make our own choices for our children and nobody here is doing the "wrong" thing by their children. Why do people have to use every opportunity to put other parents and their choices down? I don't think that anyone on this thread is going to change their mind on the issue so let it be. Honestly, I'm ashamed of myself for even responding to this when I said I wouldn't.
I don't care what anyone does with their kid's education unless it affects my own kid's education. Normalizing red shirting does affect my kid bc he ends up a baby in his class- a class he's meant to be in. Imo there's a difference between one or two kids in the class who have a special need for it, and like 30% of the class being red shirted. To me, that's where the issue is. You should have to be approved based on a specific need.
ITA. Redshirting 100% has an effect on MY child with a late birthday.
This thread is a little frustrating but if really there are that many kids (30%) redshirted in one class it would mean that EVERYONE with a fall baby from the year before redshirted their kids and you were the only to NOT redshirt your kid this year. If that's the case you would have to say that the general consensus is that the cut off should change. I highly doubt that there are that many parents willing to pay for an extra year of preschool/daycare/childcare just so that their kid is the biggest in the class and the best at sports. You need to ask yourself WHY so many parents in your district are choosing to give their child an extra year to grow and develop before entering them in Kindergarten. And you can't really move out of NY to change this because almost every other state in the entire United States of America has an earlier cutoff date!!!!
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by Hofstra26
I'm SO sick of hearing how "hard" Kindergarten is and how it's "so different" nowadays because the reality is.........it's really not. I taught Kindergarten and it was in NO way the same as being in 1st grade. My my DD started Kindergarten at age 4, she's one of the youngest in the grade and she adjusted just fine, did great all year, was reading with ease withing the 1st month of school, and now in 2nd grade continues to thrive despite the fact that she has peers in her class almost a full year older.
In Kindergarten she still had free play time EVERY day, recess, simple HW, no testing, and plenty of time for fun and creativity. People have REALLY overblown this whole notion of Kindergarten "not being what it use to be". Because of this some parents are using that as an excuse to hold back their kids thinking they are giving them an advantage when in reality there child would've likely done just fine starting Kindergarten at the appropriate time as outlined by their state and school district. And while you might think starting them a year later is wonderful, consider how your child will feel sitting in Kindergarten while turning SEVEN yrs old having to socialize and learn with 4-5 yr old babies!! IF I had held my fall baby back so she wouldn't be the youngest in her class I know for a FACT she would've been SO bored and SO unchallenged sitting in Kindergarten as a 6 yr old going on 7! I wouldn't have given her an upper hand, I would've made things worse for her.
Look, here's the deal..............there HAS to be a youngest and an oldest in the grade. It's just how it goes. Redshirting your kid on nothing more than when their birthday is because you *think* it will be too hard and because you *think* you're giving them an "advantage" makes NO sense to me. If you have a LEGITIMATE concern such as a delay, learning disability or something else that will inhibit their learning and success in Kindergarten that's one thing BUT to just not start them because of where there birthday falls is, IMO, is doing your child a disservice. I feel it's more beneficial to the younger child to give them the opportunity to see how they do and repeat the grade if necessary than not start them at all.
Really? Do you teach Kindergarten now? In the district I teach in and another district that my daughter attends there is no more play. Play is SUCH an important part of child development and learning, and it is a true tragedy that it is the first cut in most districts. With the exception of lucky Pat-Med district! Benchmark reading levels used to be C/D now are at an E. You mentioned your daughter is in second grade. A LOT has happened and changed over the past 2 years. My daughter in preschool is being taught to fill in a worksheet identifying beginning sounds and writing the corresponding letters.
And this, is a picture of a kindergarten classroom today. For some perspective, this was taken early in the school year.
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Redshirting has been a hot topic for a long time. Most studies and research are not in support of it. With the exception of extremes, and with our late cutoff in New York. November/December birthdays. However, we can not ignore that fact that standards have changed. Pressure is on.
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
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Posted by Hofstra26
I'm SO sick of hearing how "hard" Kindergarten is and how it's "so different" nowadays because the reality is.........it's really not. I taught Kindergarten and it was in NO way the same as being in 1st grade. My my DD started Kindergarten at age 4, she's one of the youngest in the grade and she adjusted just fine, did great all year, was reading with ease withing the 1st month of school, and now in 2nd grade continues to thrive despite the fact that she has peers in her class almost a full year older.
In Kindergarten she still had free play time EVERY day, recess, simple HW, no testing, and plenty of time for fun and creativity. People have REALLY overblown this whole notion of Kindergarten "not being what it use to be". Because of this some parents are using that as an excuse to hold back their kids thinking they are giving them an advantage when in reality there child would've likely done just fine starting Kindergarten at the appropriate time as outlined by their state and school district. And while you might think starting them a year later is wonderful, consider how your child will feel sitting in Kindergarten while turning SEVEN yrs old having to socialize and learn with 4-5 yr old babies!! IF I had held my fall baby back so she wouldn't be the youngest in her class I know for a FACT she would've been SO bored and SO unchallenged sitting in Kindergarten as a 6 yr old going on 7! I wouldn't have given her an upper hand, I would've made things worse for her.
Look, here's the deal..............there HAS to be a youngest and an oldest in the grade. It's just how it goes. Redshirting your kid on nothing more than when their birthday is because you *think* it will be too hard and because you *think* you're giving them an "advantage" makes NO sense to me. If you have a LEGITIMATE concern such as a delay, learning disability or something else that will inhibit their learning and success in Kindergarten that's one thing BUT to just not start them because of where there birthday falls is, IMO, is doing your child a disservice. I feel it's more beneficial to the younger child to give them the opportunity to see how they do and repeat the grade if necessary than not start them at all.
Really? Do you teach Kindergarten now? In the district I teach in and another district that my daughter attends there is no more play. Play is SUCH an important part of child development and learning, and it is a true tragedy that it is the first cut in most districts. With the exception of lucky Pat-Med district! Benchmark reading levels used to be C/D now are at an E. You mentioned your daughter is in second grade. A LOT has happened and changed over the past 2 years. My daughter in preschool is being taught to fill in a worksheet identifying beginning sounds and writing the corresponding letters.
And this, is a picture of a kindergarten classroom today. For some perspective, this was taken early in the school year.
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Redshirting has been a hot topic for a long time. Most studies and research are not in support of it. With the exception of extremes, and with our late cutoff in New York. November/December birthdays. However, we can not ignore that fact that standards have changed. Pressure is on.
First of all, my DD was in Kindergarten TWO years ago, not twenty. Literally NOTHING has changed in how Kindergarten is structured in our district in that time. I have friends right now with kids in Kindergarten and they are having the same EXACT experience as my DD.
Sorry, but the whole "Kindergarten is SO hard" is SO blown out of proportion. It just is. It might be different from Kindergarten of the 80's but it's not this crazy stress, insane amount of work, no play at all, balls to the wall situation some people make it out to be. I think some parents use that as an excuse when in reality, Kindergarten is still pretty much just Kindergarten.
And the benchmark reading level for Kindergarten is not E, that's actually the beginning of first grade. Kindergarten reading levels are A-D............at this moment, right now, in my DD's district.
Let's agree to disagree because CLEARLY we're having different experiences and I can't get on board with all of this over hyping of how "hard" Kindergarten is.
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| Posted 3/1/16 8:14 PM |
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
My dd was born the day of the cut off for our district in NJ. I sent her ahead because academically she was ready, but emotionally, she is less mature than some of the other kids. I will say last year in her kindergarten classroom they had a doll house, nap time, and worksheets, independent reading, and homework. It really depends upon the teacher how the class runs. I am incredibly thankful that she had the teacher she did. As for reading, the level for kindergarten is A to E. In first grade, she is considered an I in school but reads R level books at home. Now my son had major issues with reading, but the standards were exactly the same.
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| Posted 3/1/16 8:37 PM |
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itsbabytime
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
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CurlyQ
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by CurlyQ
Posted by Hofstra26
I'm SO sick of hearing how "hard" Kindergarten is and how it's "so different" nowadays because the reality is.........it's really not. I taught Kindergarten and it was in NO way the same as being in 1st grade. My my DD started Kindergarten at age 4, she's one of the youngest in the grade and she adjusted just fine, did great all year, was reading with ease withing the 1st month of school, and now in 2nd grade continues to thrive despite the fact that she has peers in her class almost a full year older.
In Kindergarten she still had free play time EVERY day, recess, simple HW, no testing, and plenty of time for fun and creativity. People have REALLY overblown this whole notion of Kindergarten "not being what it use to be". Because of this some parents are using that as an excuse to hold back their kids thinking they are giving them an advantage when in reality there child would've likely done just fine starting Kindergarten at the appropriate time as outlined by their state and school district. And while you might think starting them a year later is wonderful, consider how your child will feel sitting in Kindergarten while turning SEVEN yrs old having to socialize and learn with 4-5 yr old babies!! IF I had held my fall baby back so she wouldn't be the youngest in her class I know for a FACT she would've been SO bored and SO unchallenged sitting in Kindergarten as a 6 yr old going on 7! I wouldn't have given her an upper hand, I would've made things worse for her.
Look, here's the deal..............there HAS to be a youngest and an oldest in the grade. It's just how it goes. Redshirting your kid on nothing more than when their birthday is because you *think* it will be too hard and because you *think* you're giving them an "advantage" makes NO sense to me. If you have a LEGITIMATE concern such as a delay, learning disability or something else that will inhibit their learning and success in Kindergarten that's one thing BUT to just not start them because of where there birthday falls is, IMO, is doing your child a disservice. I feel it's more beneficial to the younger child to give them the opportunity to see how they do and repeat the grade if necessary than not start them at all.
Really? Do you teach Kindergarten now? In the district I teach in and another district that my daughter attends there is no more play. Play is SUCH an important part of child development and learning, and it is a true tragedy that it is the first cut in most districts. With the exception of lucky Pat-Med district! Benchmark reading levels used to be C/D now are at an E. You mentioned your daughter is in second grade. A LOT has happened and changed over the past 2 years. My daughter in preschool is being taught to fill in a worksheet identifying beginning sounds and writing the corresponding letters.
And this, is a picture of a kindergarten classroom today. For some perspective, this was taken early in the school year.
click
Redshirting has been a hot topic for a long time. Most studies and research are not in support of it. With the exception of extremes, and with our late cutoff in New York. November/December birthdays. However, we can not ignore that fact that standards have changed. Pressure is on.
First of all, my DD was in Kindergarten TWO years ago, not twenty. Literally NOTHING has changed in how Kindergarten is structured in our district in that time. I have friends right now with kids in Kindergarten and they are having the same EXACT experience as my DD.
Sorry, but the whole "Kindergarten is SO hard" is SO blown out of proportion. It just is. It might be different from Kindergarten of the 80's but it's not this crazy stress, insane amount of work, no play at all, balls to the wall situation some people make it out to be. I think some parents use that as an excuse when in reality, Kindergarten is still pretty much just Kindergarten.
And the benchmark reading level for Kindergarten is not E, that's actually the beginning of first grade. Kindergarten reading levels are A-D............at this moment, right now, in my DD's district.
Let's agree to disagree because CLEARLY we're having different experiences and I can't get on board with all of this over hyping of how "hard" Kindergarten is.
Def, we have to agree to disagree. If you are not currently teaching kindergarten in a high performing Long Island School you might not believe in the differences until you can experience it first hand. I can assure you in districts I work in, the one I live in and in my area, within the last 2 years the kindergarten classroom has changed. Sadly.
And you are right, Benchmark SHOULD be a D. Many districts have moved it to an E. I have had many conversations with many professionals, all in shock about this. This is another new change. I believe that was made last year. The children have not changed, but standards are being increased higher and higher. Children that were once on level, and now being recommended for AIS services. You are lucky that your children aren't being affected, but way too many are in this cruel political restructuring of education.
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| Posted 3/1/16 8:51 PM |
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itsbabytime
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
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CurlyQ
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by itsbabytime
I honestly think the "rigor" of Kindergarten today in SOME districts has a lot less to do with red-shirting than you think. All of the red-shirted kids I know started kindergarten reading at a 2nd or 3rd grade level already. They were well rounded over achievers that probably would have been above average in first grade but, repeated Kindergarten (first in private than in public). Some parents even hold back just because their DS is small and won't be able to compete as well athletically in his own school year. This new red shirting ideal actually has created a great market for private programs catering to the held back 4/5 year old.
The reason why I am so against this is because it has just become a means by which ultra competitive parents achieve (in their own minds) the ultimate competitive advantage for their child. THIS is what needs to change. This can easily be achieved by requiring CAUSE be shown to hold back your child. And most of those defending themselves on this thread seem to have that CAUSE.
In the district I work in, in order to hold back you have to apply to the Superintendent. Then the Superintendent and the Principal of the building where the child was screened make an appropriate judgement. I'm sure parents have figured out ways around it. But, we do have a process.
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| Posted 3/1/16 8:55 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by CurlyQ
Posted by Hofstra26
I'm SO sick of hearing how "hard" Kindergarten is and how it's "so different" nowadays because the reality is.........it's really not. I taught Kindergarten and it was in NO way the same as being in 1st grade. My my DD started Kindergarten at age 4, she's one of the youngest in the grade and she adjusted just fine, did great all year, was reading with ease withing the 1st month of school, and now in 2nd grade continues to thrive despite the fact that she has peers in her class almost a full year older.
In Kindergarten she still had free play time EVERY day, recess, simple HW, no testing, and plenty of time for fun and creativity. People have REALLY overblown this whole notion of Kindergarten "not being what it use to be". Because of this some parents are using that as an excuse to hold back their kids thinking they are giving them an advantage when in reality there child would've likely done just fine starting Kindergarten at the appropriate time as outlined by their state and school district. And while you might think starting them a year later is wonderful, consider how your child will feel sitting in Kindergarten while turning SEVEN yrs old having to socialize and learn with 4-5 yr old babies!! IF I had held my fall baby back so she wouldn't be the youngest in her class I know for a FACT she would've been SO bored and SO unchallenged sitting in Kindergarten as a 6 yr old going on 7! I wouldn't have given her an upper hand, I would've made things worse for her.
Look, here's the deal..............there HAS to be a youngest and an oldest in the grade. It's just how it goes. Redshirting your kid on nothing more than when their birthday is because you *think* it will be too hard and because you *think* you're giving them an "advantage" makes NO sense to me. If you have a LEGITIMATE concern such as a delay, learning disability or something else that will inhibit their learning and success in Kindergarten that's one thing BUT to just not start them because of where there birthday falls is, IMO, is doing your child a disservice. I feel it's more beneficial to the younger child to give them the opportunity to see how they do and repeat the grade if necessary than not start them at all.
Really? Do you teach Kindergarten now? In the district I teach in and another district that my daughter attends there is no more play. Play is SUCH an important part of child development and learning, and it is a true tragedy that it is the first cut in most districts. With the exception of lucky Pat-Med district! Benchmark reading levels used to be C/D now are at an E. You mentioned your daughter is in second grade. A LOT has happened and changed over the past 2 years. My daughter in preschool is being taught to fill in a worksheet identifying beginning sounds and writing the corresponding letters.
And this, is a picture of a kindergarten classroom today. For some perspective, this was taken early in the school year.
click
Redshirting has been a hot topic for a long time. Most studies and research are not in support of it. With the exception of extremes, and with our late cutoff in New York. November/December birthdays. However, we can not ignore that fact that standards have changed. Pressure is on.
I am not in Pat Med either and my daughter's K classroom looks nothing like that. And they play daily. I described what her day is like in an above post here.
Maybe we are lucky. I don't know.
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