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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by ChilisWife
Question - because I honestly dont know - is it legal to get an elective abortion in month 7/8/9 if there is NOT a medical issue (health of mother, baby cant survive, etc)?
It is not legal. After the first trimester, a doctor has to deem that a late-term abortion is warranted for medical reasons, and even that is only legal until 24 weeks.
There are a lot of misinformed, under-informed, knee-jerk emotional judgments on here. This thread is exactly why people who don't know should stay in their lane and let doctors and women make decisions about their own care.
Signed, another staunchly pro-choice infertile
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by NervousNell
Yes. And I hate how flippant people are about carrying a baby for 9 months too. Oh you were raped? Justt carry the baby for 9 months as a constant reminder of the horror you went through. Then go through labor and delivery. Thrn you can give the baby up for adoption. Easy peasy.
Please.
True, carrying and delivering a baby are quite the ordeal.
But in choosing the alternative, you are ending someone else's life. That is grave. It's not the baby's fault how she was conceived, why should she be punished for it by not even having the chance to live a life? Also, do you think the mother will have no psychological or physical trauma from going through the abortion versus a pregnancy? Not all woman perhaps, but many would.
And when people refer to "my body my choice" they do realize the unborn baby is her own person with a separate body and not "my body"... That abortion logic always baffles me. It's not like removing a pimple from your ass, you are choosing to prevent a unique person from existing. People seem to forget that part of it.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by bookworm
Posted by ChilisWife
Question - because I honestly dont know - is it legal to get an elective abortion in month 7/8/9 if there is NOT a medical issue (health of mother, baby cant survive, etc)?
It is not legal. After the first trimester, a doctor has to deem that a late-term abortion is warranted for medical reasons, and even that is only legal until 24 weeks.
There are a lot of misinformed, under-informed, knee-jerk emotional judgments on here. This thread is exactly why people who don't know should stay in their lane and let doctors and women make decisions about their own care.
Signed, another staunchly pro-choice infertile
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by drpepper318
True, carrying and delivering a baby are quite the ordeal.
But in choosing the alternative, you are ending someone else's life. That is grave. It's not the baby's fault how she was conceived, why should she be punished for it by not even having the chance to live a life? Also, do you think the mother will have no psychological or physical trauma from going through the abortion versus a pregnancy? Not all woman perhaps, but many would.
And when people refer to "my body my choice" they do realize the unborn baby is her own person with a separate body and not "my body"... That abortion logic always baffles me. It's not like removing a pimple from your ass, you are choosing to prevent a unique person from existing. People seem to forget that part of it.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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Posted by bookworm
Posted by ChilisWife
Question - because I honestly dont know - is it legal to get an elective abortion in month 7/8/9 if there is NOT a medical issue (health of mother, baby cant survive, etc)?
It is not legal. After the first trimester, a doctor has to deem that a late-term abortion is warranted for medical reasons, and even that is only legal until 24 weeks.
There are a lot of misinformed, under-informed, knee-jerk emotional judgments on here. This thread is exactly why people who don't know should stay in their lane and let doctors and women make decisions about their own care.
Signed, another staunchly pro-choice infertile
 
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On another note, I still can't believe Trump said he won't accept the results of the election if he loses. According to the latest 538 update, he has only a 12.6% chance of winning. So he may not just lose, he's going to lose bigly.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by MrsProfessor
On another note, I still can't believe Trump said he won't accept the results of the election if he loses. According to the latest 538 update, he has only a 12.6% chance of winning. So he may not just lose, he's going to lose bigly.
His lack of basic understanding of how our government works is frightening.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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Posted by NervousNell
Yes. And I hate how flippant people are about carrying a baby for 9 months too. Oh you were raped? Justt carry the baby for 9 months as a constant reminder of the horror you went through. Then go through labor and delivery. Thrn you can give the baby up for adoption. Easy peasy.
Please.
As I said above, I think there should be exceptions and there should also be limitations of term of the fetus of when an abortion can be performed. I was responding to people who make it sound so nonchalant.
No one carries a baby for 20+ weeks and suddenly decides they don't want the baby anymore.
Not sure so that never happens. And there are women who don't KNOW they are pregnant until they are far along.
What don't you understand? Late term abortions do happen, for various reasons.
I don't understand the comment about women who don't know they're pregnant last 20 weeks. I don't know the statistic of women who don't know they're pregnant but I would imagine the percentage is small and the percentage of those women who have an abortion after 20 weeks would be insignificantly small. The most recent CDC statistics show 1.3% occur after 21 weeks. I'd have to look up this up but I imagine that if the 1.3%, most of those are due to medical reasons.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by MrsProfessor
On another note, I still can't believe Trump said he won't accept the results of the election if he loses. According to the latest 538 update, he has only a 12.6% chance of winning. So he may not just lose, he's going to lose bigly.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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Posted by NervousNell
Yes. And I hate how flippant people are about carrying a baby for 9 months too. Oh you were raped? Justt carry the baby for 9 months as a constant reminder of the horror you went through. Then go through labor and delivery. Thrn you can give the baby up for adoption. Easy peasy.
Please.
As I said above, I think there should be exceptions and there should also be limitations of term of the fetus of when an abortion can be performed. I was responding to people who make it sound so nonchalant.
No one carries a baby for 20+ weeks and suddenly decides they don't want the baby anymore.
Not sure so that never happens. And there are women who don't KNOW they are pregnant until they are far along.
What don't you understand? Late term abortions do happen, for various reasons.
I don't understand the comment about women who don't know they're pregnant last 20 weeks. I don't know the statistic of women who don't know they're pregnant but I would imagine the percentage is small and the percentage of those women who have an abortion after 20 weeks would be insignificantly small. The most recent CDC statistics show 1.3% occur after 21 weeks. I'd have to look up this up but I imagine that if the 1.3%, most of those are due to medical reasons.
That's actually not true. There are a variety of reasons women wind up having late abortions. Abortion clinics being too far, money, ambivalence, etc. Not saying this is the norm or prevalent, but if you read about this, the late term abortion - for medical necessity - does not appear to be the predominance.
And as for the women who don't know comment….I don't understand what you don't understand. A person does not find out they are pregnant until they are 4 mths and they then do not want the baby. You don't think this happens? Studies show young girls 20-24 are the ones most often seeking later term abortions.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by bookworm
There are a lot of misinformed, under-informed, knee-jerk emotional judgments on here. This thread is exactly why people who don't know should stay in their lane and let doctors and women make decisions about their own care.
Exactly.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by NervousNell
Yes. And I hate how flippant people are about carrying a baby for 9 months too. Oh you were raped? Justt carry the baby for 9 months as a constant reminder of the horror you went through. Then go through labor and delivery. Thrn you can give the baby up for adoption. Easy peasy.
Please.
True, carrying and delivering a baby are quite the ordeal.
But in choosing the alternative, you are ending someone else's life. That is grave. It's not the baby's fault how she was conceived, why should she be punished for it by not even having the chance to live a life? Also, do you think the mother will have no psychological or physical trauma from going through the abortion versus a pregnancy? Not all woman perhaps, but many would.
And when people refer to "my body my choice" they do realize the unborn baby is her own person with a separate body and not "my body"... That abortion logic always baffles me. It's not like removing a pimple from your ass, you are choosing to prevent a unique person from existing. People seem to forget that part of it.
Just so you're clear that a woman having a late-term abortion *also* does not believe she's having "a pimple removed from [her] ass": http://www.huffingtonpost.com/xojane-/this-is-what-its-really-like-to-have-a-late-term-abortion_b_8264562.html?
"The doctor in New York was certain. Part of my baby’s brain was missing, all the vessels into her heart were fused. She didn’t have a nose and her potential for life after birth was called both limited and painful.
I aborted my baby to end the pain, her future pain, my pain, my husband’s pain, the pain of the people who loved us. I aborted her because if I carried her to term she would have died and taken my sanity with her. I aborted my baby because it was the best choice. As far as I was concerned it was the only choice."
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Is trump in favor of all let term abortions or is there medically necessary reasons etc
I'm also flabbergasted by what people
Think a late term
Abortion is
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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Posted by NervousNell
Yes. And I hate how flippant people are about carrying a baby for 9 months too. Oh you were raped? Justt carry the baby for 9 months as a constant reminder of the horror you went through. Then go through labor and delivery. Thrn you can give the baby up for adoption. Easy peasy.
Please.
As I said above, I think there should be exceptions and there should also be limitations of term of the fetus of when an abortion can be performed. I was responding to people who make it sound so nonchalant.
No one carries a baby for 20+ weeks and suddenly decides they don't want the baby anymore.
Not sure so that never happens. And there are women who don't KNOW they are pregnant until they are far along.
What don't you understand? Late term abortions do happen, for various reasons.
I don't understand the comment about women who don't know they're pregnant last 20 weeks. I don't know the statistic of women who don't know they're pregnant but I would imagine the percentage is small and the percentage of those women who have an abortion after 20 weeks would be insignificantly small. The most recent CDC statistics show 1.3% occur after 21 weeks. I'd have to look up this up but I imagine that if the 1.3%, most of those are due to medical reasons.
That's actually not true. There are a variety of reasons women wind up having late abortions. Abortion clinics being too far, money, ambivalence, etc. Not saying this is the norm or prevalent, but if you read about this, the late term abortion - for medical necessity - does not appear to be the predominance.
And as for the women who don't know comment….I don't understand what you don't understand. A person does not find out they are pregnant until they are 4 mths and they then do not want the baby. You don't think this happens? Studies show young girls 20-24 are the ones most often seeking later term abortions.
I would really love to read your sources. I like to keep myself informed. Thanks!
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by bookworm
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by NervousNell
Yes. And I hate how flippant people are about carrying a baby for 9 months too. Oh you were raped? Justt carry the baby for 9 months as a constant reminder of the horror you went through. Then go through labor and delivery. Thrn you can give the baby up for adoption. Easy peasy.
Please.
True, carrying and delivering a baby are quite the ordeal.
But in choosing the alternative, you are ending someone else's life. That is grave. It's not the baby's fault how she was conceived, why should she be punished for it by not even having the chance to live a life? Also, do you think the mother will have no psychological or physical trauma from going through the abortion versus a pregnancy? Not all woman perhaps, but many would.
And when people refer to "my body my choice" they do realize the unborn baby is her own person with a separate body and not "my body"... That abortion logic always baffles me. It's not like removing a pimple from your ass, you are choosing to prevent a unique person from existing. People seem to forget that part of it.
Just so you're clear that a woman having a late-term abortion *also* does not believe she's having "a pimple removed from [her] ass": http://www.huffingtonpost.com/xojane-/this-is-what-its-really-like-to-have-a-late-term-abortion_b_8264562.html?
"The doctor in New York was certain. Part of my baby’s brain was missing, all the vessels into her heart were fused. She didn’t have a nose and her potential for life after birth was called both limited and painful.
I aborted my baby to end the pain, her future pain, my pain, my husband’s pain, the pain of the people who loved us. I aborted her because if I carried her to term she would have died and taken my sanity with her. I aborted my baby because it was the best choice. As far as I was concerned it was the only choice."
How awful. 
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by bookworm
Posted by ChilisWife
Question - because I honestly dont know - is it legal to get an elective abortion in month 7/8/9 if there is NOT a medical issue (health of mother, baby cant survive, etc)?
It is not legal. After the first trimester, a doctor has to deem that a late-term abortion is warranted for medical reasons, and even that is only legal until 24 weeks.
There are a lot of misinformed, under-informed, knee-jerk emotional judgments on here. This thread is exactly why people who don't know should stay in their lane and let doctors and women make decisions about their own care.
Signed, another staunchly pro-choice infertile
I know I've asked you before
Please run for president
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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Posted by MrsProfessor
On another note, I still can't believe Trump said he won't accept the results of the election if he loses. According to the latest 538 update, he has only a 12.6% chance of winning. So he may not just lose, he's going to lose bigly.
His lack of basic understanding of how our government works is frightening.
My thoughts exactly.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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That's actually not true. There are a variety of reasons women wind up having late abortions. Abortion clinics being too far, money, ambivalence, etc. Not saying this is the norm or prevalent, but if you read about this, the late term abortion - for medical necessity - does not appear to be the predominance.
And as for the women who don't know comment….I don't understand what you don't understand. A person does not find out they are pregnant until they are 4 mths and they then do not want the baby. You don't think this happens? Studies show young girls 20-24 are the ones most often seeking later term abortions.
I would really love to read your sources. I like to keep myself informed. Thanks!
My sources are the same sources that lead you to believe that late term abortions are just for medical reasons. 
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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On another note, I still can't believe Trump said he won't accept the results of the election if he loses. According to the latest 538 update, he has only a 12.6% chance of winning. So he may not just lose, he's going to lose bigly.
I don't see why this is such a horrifying thing. Do you think Hillary will accept it if Trump wins? Do you think most of the ladies on LIF will?
ETA: By "accept," I take it to mean "support" it. I did not take it to mean "believe" it was legitimate.
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On another note, I still can't believe Trump said he won't accept the results of the election if he loses. According to the latest 538 update, he has only a 12.6% chance of winning. So he may not just lose, he's going to lose bigly.
I don't see why this is such a horrifying thing. Do you think Hillary will accept it if Trump wins? Do you think most of the ladies on LIF will?
I didn't say it was 'horrifying' but I do find it hard to believe. I do think Hillary will accept a Trump win, though at this point it will be very hard for him to bounce back.
Whether or not the 'ladies on LIF' accept it or not doesn't matter. None of us are in a position to hold up our government and demand a recount.
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Final Presidential Debate
I don't think roe v. wade will ever be overturned.
....I also think debating it is kind of useless because everyone has her own feeling on it and it's just one of those topics.....
But getting back to the original post about the debate:
I'm someone who despises Hillary Clinton. But I will say that I'm also objective (or I try to be!).
While I feel that Trump won the second debate, there's no question that she absolutely slaughtered him tonight. He didn't have his usual fire or spunk. She was really polished and presidential and finally "brought it" ( because I do think she was completely lacking the last two debates)
I am pro-choice and her answer on that matter is probably one of the few things I like about her.
Again, I was pretty "never-Hillary!" before this, but I feel a bit more comfortable about voting for her than I have ever before.
We will see.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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Posted by MrsProfessor
On another note, I still can't believe Trump said he won't accept the results of the election if he loses. According to the latest 538 update, he has only a 12.6% chance of winning. So he may not just lose, he's going to lose bigly.
I don't see why this is such a horrifying thing. Do you think Hillary will accept it if Trump wins? Do you think most of the ladies on LIF will?
ETA: By "accept," I take it to mean "support" it. I did not take it to mean "believe" it was legitimate.
If I'm being fair, no… I don't think it's horrifying. Hillary and Bernie and most of the left and center would absolutely reject Trump if he did win. I also think asking him that is really ridiculous and mostly for ratings.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by NervousNell
Yes. And I hate how flippant people are about carrying a baby for 9 months too. Oh you were raped? Justt carry the baby for 9 months as a constant reminder of the horror you went through. Then go through labor and delivery. Thrn you can give the baby up for adoption. Easy peasy.
Please.
True, carrying and delivering a baby are quite the ordeal.
But in choosing the alternative, you are ending someone else's life. That is grave. It's not the baby's fault how she was conceived, why should she be punished for it by not even having the chance to live a life? Also, do you think the mother will have no psychological or physical trauma from going through the abortion versus a pregnancy? Not all woman perhaps, but many would.
And when people refer to "my body my choice" they do realize the unborn baby is her own person with a separate body and not "my body"... That abortion logic always baffles me. It's not like removing a pimple from your ass, you are choosing to prevent a unique person from existing. People seem to forget that part of it.
Can I ask you your thoughts on ART?
Particularly IVF?
You don't have to answer because it's a hard subject for a lot of us. But I feel pro life can also mean no ART. If life begins at conception, and someone has extra embies they don't need, want or whatever - we have the choice to destroy them. Do you feel we shouldn't have that choice?
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
I thought, for the first time in these debates, that the moderator was unbiased.
I also thought there was no clear "winner". I can't see either of them pulling people to their sides from tonight's debate.
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And no one is "pro-abortion"- I have never met anyone who thinks it's a good thing. It's about whether or not you get to make a decision about your body, or a government (which is still run mostly by old white men.)
Never? I have met people who have had multiple abortions. It's a piece of cake for them, a way instead of USING birth control. Plenty of people think it's nothing at all, so yeah, a good thing they can do after the fact of being very careless (again for those who have had multiple abortions and not yet learned to use BIRTH CONTROL).
And do you want those women to be parents???
Absolutely not. It's called adoption. For the millions of people who wish they could be so lucky creating a human life.
There are a tremendous amount of children awaiting adoption. The red tape for people to adopt a child is incredible.
Also, birth control needs to be accessible. The majority of what Planned Parenthood does is providing affordable birth control, but unfortunately as funding is cut, there are less Planned Parenthoods.
This is the crux of part of the issue. If we educated and made birth control available, the number of birth control abortions would likely decrease, I would think.
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