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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by JP826
But the thing is - its not the WOMANS body being killed, its the FETUS.
Long after the abortion, the mother continues to live her life, and in many cases, goes on to get pregnant again....
What about the fetus? That life never had a chance.
Unless the mothers life is as risk, to me that is murder. Sorry, I feel so very strongly about this issue.
It is NOT a person and therefore does not have rights. The woman carrying the fetus does, however. A right to decided what she needs to do for herself and her family. As an actual person responsible for herself and possibly other people, already.
I seriously want to know how many people so opposed to abortion have actually gone out, supported a woman emotionally, physically and financially through her entire pregnancy and then went on to adopt her child. Your "beliefs" do not supersede anyone's rights.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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It is NOT a person and therefore does not have rights. The woman carrying the fetus does, however. A right to decided what she needs to do for herself and her family. As an actual person responsible for herself and possibly other people, already.
I seriously want to know how many people so opposed to abortion have actually gone out, supported a woman emotionally, physically and financially through her entire pregnancy and then went on to adopt her child. Your "beliefs" do not supersede anyone's rights.
Heartbeat = LIFE
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by JP826
Heartbeat = LIFE
That is a religious belief, not a political one, and it is also not a belief shared by all religions.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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And no one is "pro-abortion"- I have never met anyone who thinks it's a good thing. It's about whether or not you get to make a decision about your body, or a government (which is still run mostly by old white men.)
Never? I have met people who have had multiple abortions. It's a piece of cake for them, a way instead of USING birth control. Plenty of people think it's nothing at all, so yeah, a good thing they can do after the fact of being very careless (again for those who have had multiple abortions and not yet learned to use BIRTH CONTROL).
And do you want those women to be parents???
Absolutely not. It's called adoption. For the millions of people who wish they could be so lucky creating a human life.
Do you know what happens to the children born under circumstances where the mother did not care about them inutero? Check adoptuskids.org and tell me how adoptable those children are. Please.
I hate how flippant people are about adoption .
I just spent the morning looking at this website and it had me in tears. There are literally hundreds of helpless children, many of them with SEVERE handicaps, who do not have a family and likely never will.
So yes, maybe a perfectly healthy infant will be "scooped up" by willing adoptive parents, but these poor unwanted handicapped children will suffer in hospitals and foster homes never knowing the true love of a family. It's heartbreaking.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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Which is exactly why it shouldn't be.
I was just pointing out that while RvW gives women the right to legal abortion, the states have their own sets of laws about it, so wouldn't the point of the OP's suggestion that the states be given the right to set laws regarding abortion be moot since that technically happens already?
The states do set their own laws BUT it has to be legal (despite loop holes and trigger laws). Overturn the ruling and they can just make it disappear all together. And many would.
I find this very scary. Very.
I am sorry but I still say I cannot imagine being FORCED to carry a pregnancy.
It won't affect me because I'm getting up there in age and by the time anything would change I'll probably be out of child rearing years, but I think of my daughter having to live in a country with no choice around HER body.
So so scary.
But the thing is - its not the WOMANS body being killed, its the FETUS.
Long after the abortion, the mother continues to live her life, and in many cases, goes on to get pregnant again....
What about the fetus? That life never had a chance.
Unless the mothers life is as risk, to me that is murder. Sorry, I feel so very strongly about this issue.
Unless the fetus can survive outside the mothers body I don't think it has the same rights as a woman.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by JP826
So your saying its okay for a careless gun owner to take the blame for their toddler getting their hands on a loaded handgun, which should be locked away, BUT (in many cares) a careless woman who has an unwanted pregnancy should have the right to kill their fetus?
One a decision is made to bring a life into the world, whether in utero or on God's green Earth, the responsibility changes. So yes. They are apples and oranges IMO and I think one it at fault and the other is making a very hard but personal decision in their life. Both might be "careless" but one made a profound decision to be responsible for a person and failed while the other chose not to have that level of responsibility, as was both of their RIGHTS.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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Posted by BaseballWidow
It is NOT a person and therefore does not have rights. The woman carrying the fetus does, however. A right to decided what she needs to do for herself and her family. As an actual person responsible for herself and possibly other people, already.
I seriously want to know how many people so opposed to abortion have actually gone out, supported a woman emotionally, physically and financially through her entire pregnancy and then went on to adopt her child. Your "beliefs" do not supersede anyone's rights.
Heartbeat = LIFE
That is not a medical nor legal definition. It is one of personal beliefs. Therefore no rights.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by JP826
Posted by BaseballWidow
It is NOT a person and therefore does not have rights. The woman carrying the fetus does, however. A right to decided what she needs to do for herself and her family. As an actual person responsible for herself and possibly other people, already.
I seriously want to know how many people so opposed to abortion have actually gone out, supported a woman emotionally, physically and financially through her entire pregnancy and then went on to adopt her child. Your "beliefs" do not supersede anyone's rights.
Heartbeat = LIFE
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So if I were to abort super early on, before we saw the heartbeat, that would be ok?
That's just a collection of cells then right?
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Whether you are pro-life or Pro-choice, you have to be worried that a group of people can determine what YOU can do with YOUR body. I'm not talking about late term, early whatever. The basic RIGHT of a woman is being questioned. That is what you should be worrying about.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by JP826
Posted by BaseballWidow
It is NOT a person and therefore does not have rights. The woman carrying the fetus does, however. A right to decided what she needs to do for herself and her family. As an actual person responsible for herself and possibly other people, already.
I seriously want to know how many people so opposed to abortion have actually gone out, supported a woman emotionally, physically and financially through her entire pregnancy and then went on to adopt her child. Your "beliefs" do not supersede anyone's rights.
Heartbeat = LIFE
I respect your belief. May I ask (genuinely, respectfully asking)--how you and others who share this view feel pre-heartbeat, and even about craeting, but not using some embryos in the course of ivf? Genuinely interested.
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Posted by Katareen
I just spent the morning looking at this website and it had me in tears. There are literally hundreds of helpless children, many of them with SEVERE handicaps, who do not have a family and likely never will.
So yes, maybe a perfectly healthy infant will be "scooped up" by willing adoptive parents, but these poor unwanted handicapped children will suffer in hospitals and foster homes never knowing the true love of a family. It's heartbreaking.
It is truly heartbreaking. No living, breathing child should have to endure that physical and emotional pain. Woman need choices to not force a child into Hell on Earth if they can't or won't take care of the child once it is here.
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You know, I just can't keep up.
One one hand, all we hear about is these women who have welfare babies to they can continue to suck off the taxpayer teet and rob us all of our hard earned money.
Then you have all these women who run around having abortions like it's birth control.
So I ask Republicans - which is it? Can us women have babies and need government assistance, or can we NOT have babies because you think's it immoral to have abortions. It seems all we care about is bringing these babies into the world - wanted or not - but not caring or providing assistance for their growth and development after birth.
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And no one is "pro-abortion"- I have never met anyone who thinks it's a good thing. It's about whether or not you get to make a decision about your body, or a government (which is still run mostly by old white men.)
Never? I have met people who have had multiple abortions. It's a piece of cake for them, a way instead of USING birth control. Plenty of people think it's nothing at all, so yeah, a good thing they can do after the fact of being very careless (again for those who have had multiple abortions and not yet learned to use BIRTH CONTROL).
And do you want those women to be parents???
Absolutely not. It's called adoption. For the millions of people who wish they could be so lucky creating a human life.
Do you know what happens to the children born under circumstances where the mother did not care about them inutero? Check adoptuskids.org and tell me how adoptable those children are. Please.
I hate how flippant people are about adoption .
I just spent the morning looking at this website and it had me in tears. There are literally hundreds of helpless children, many of them with SEVERE handicaps, who do not have a family and likely never will.
So yes, maybe a perfectly healthy infant will be "scooped up" by willing adoptive parents, but these poor unwanted handicapped children will suffer in hospitals and foster homes never knowing the true love of a family. It's heartbreaking.
Me too :(
I would totally adopt if I had more money and more space (and time). It's so sad to see older kids. Heartbreaking.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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I don't think anyone is Pro-abortion. What we are is Pro-choice.
THIS
NO ONE IS PRO-ABORTION.
Stop calling it that because you don't want women to have a choice what happens to their bodies.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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I just spent the morning looking at this website and it had me in tears. There are literally hundreds of helpless children, many of them with SEVERE handicaps, who do not have a family and likely never will.
So yes, maybe a perfectly healthy infant will be "scooped up" by willing adoptive parents, but these poor unwanted handicapped children will suffer in hospitals and foster homes never knowing the true love of a family. It's heartbreaking.
It is truly heartbreaking. No living, breathing child should have to endure that physical and emotional pain. Woman need choices to not force a child into Hell on Earth if they can't or won't take care of the child once it is here.
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This is clearly a heated debate. I do understand the pro-choice stance and I can respect that to some extent, but I just cannot wrap my head around the thought of supporting someone aborting a fetus at 9 months.
Sorry - I'm going to end it here. I really don't want to argue and its not worth it for me to explain my beliefs.
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With the idea of ultra conservative justices they would likely look to overturn marriage equality. Curious how those who support Trump and are pro life feel about that possible repercussion.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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And no one is "pro-abortion"- I have never met anyone who thinks it's a good thing. It's about whether or not you get to make a decision about your body, or a government (which is still run mostly by old white men.)
Never? I have met people who have had multiple abortions. It's a piece of cake for them, a way instead of USING birth control. Plenty of people think it's nothing at all, so yeah, a good thing they can do after the fact of being very careless (again for those who have had multiple abortions and not yet learned to use BIRTH CONTROL).
Birth control does fail.
These people aren't having multiple failed birth controls. They are using abortion as birth control. Those are the only people I refer to with my above statement.
Why does it bother you so much what someone else does? You have no right to tell any other women whether they can have one or twelve abortions. THAT is the point.
Of course, no one should use it as birth control, but you don't get the right to stop them and neither should the government.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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I cannot support ANYONE who can support partial birth abortions.
And I can't support anyone that has more regard for a fetus than a living, breathing child that can get gunned down in their school. A wanted, loved and cared for child. That to me is sick.
So your saying its okay for a careless gun owner to take the blame for their toddler getting their hands on a loaded handgun, which should be locked away, BUT (in many cares) a careless woman who has an unwanted pregnancy should have the right to kill their fetus?
Yeah, honestly I don't get that comparison at all.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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On another note, I still can't believe Trump said he won't accept the results of the election if he loses. According to the latest 538 update, he has only a 12.6% chance of winning. So he may not just lose, he's going to lose bigly.
I don't see why this is such a horrifying thing. Do you think Hillary will accept it if Trump wins? Do you think most of the ladies on LIF will?
ETA: By "accept," I take it to mean "support" it. I did not take it to mean "believe" it was legitimate.
Yes, Hillary will most certainly accept the will of the people. IT IS THE FOUNDATION OF OUR DEMOCRACY.
If you don't understand how a presidential candidate saying he "will keep us in suspense" about conceding the election is DANGEROUS to our democracy then you are too far down the Trump hole to reason with.
I am predicting election night violence because of his irresponsible comments.
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Posted by Kitten1929
You know, I just can't keep up.
One one hand, all we hear about is these women who have welfare babies to they can continue to suck off the taxpayer teet and rob us all of our hard earned money.
Then you have all these women who run around having abortions like it's birth control.
So I ask Republicans - which is it? Can us women have babies and need government assistance, or can we NOT have babies because you think's it immoral to have abortions. It seems all we care about is bringing these babies into the world - wanted or not - but not caring or providing assistance for their growth and development after birth.
This exactly. I have very little doubt that most of the anti-choice voices on here and out in the real world also scream bloody murder about their tax dollars going to support welfare mothers and their children. Can't have it both ways. And I know, the response on here will be "oh, not me, I'm not like that." But we all know what the reality is (and the platforms of each party) when it comes to these 2 issues.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by JP826
This is clearly a heated debate. I do understand the pro-choice stance and I can respect that to some extent, but I just cannot wrap my head around the thought of supporting someone aborting a fetus at 9 months.
I don't think an abortion at 9 months is possible, since the child can live outside the womb at that time.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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Posted by JP826
So your saying its okay for a careless gun owner to take the blame for their toddler getting their hands on a loaded handgun, which should be locked away, BUT (in many cares) a careless woman who has an unwanted pregnancy should have the right to kill their fetus?
One a decision is made to bring a life into the world, whether in utero or on God's green Earth, the responsibility changes. So yes. They are apples and oranges IMO and I think one it at fault and the other is making a very hard but personal decision in their life. Both might be "careless" but one made a profound decision to be responsible for a person and failed while the other chose not to have that level of responsibility, as was both of their RIGHTS.
so if a woman was raped, it was not her decision to get pregnant, or if a girl was the victim of incest it was not her decision either. So in those cases it would be ok?
So then what is the difference if a woman discovers that the fetus will be born without a brain and the only thing keeping it alive is her heart and her placenta? Should she be forced to keep it? Or if before the heartbeat is that ok? Now the woman has discovered she has unfortunately been diagnosed with cancer. The meds will help her but kill the fetus? What then? Should she not protect her own life?
Or if a woman can't get pregnant naturally, is it ok to intervene with artificial reproduction, even if extra embryos have a chance at developing? Isn't that playing g-d?
Do you support giving every child free food,healthcare, daycare, and early learning programs? Did you adopt a child, or one with special needs? I am not asking if a friend did it, but you. Do you right now donate to help poor kids get free food, healthcare, early learning, and head start or access to those things? Not just Church based learning, but to help the homeless or feed the needy? Not just typing I pray or forwarding something on Facebook. Or are you just looking to punish someone? Because from what you wrote, you want to punish and not help and if that is the case where you want to punish someone for having sex then that says you really don't care about the fetus at all.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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That was like watching Alec Baldwin on snl.
It TOTALLY was. We couldn't stop laughing at him throughout it and then remembered other countries are watching this and laughing too 
The microphone comment was 
Other countries aren't laughing at us this time.
They are really f*cking worried 
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