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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by LuvHelloKitty
I'm not sure why some of you are putting words in my mouth, I vehemently oppose the building of the mosque for various reasons none of which have to do with my beliefs in Islam being a "more evil" religion than any other. I am ALL for religious freedoms, but for NYC to allow ImaM (thank you Kris for the correction ) to build his mosque RIGHT NEAR the WTC site is just downright disrespectful and insensitive. NYC politicans could have blocked this through rezoning laws but clearly have caved to pressures from certain groups.
Given the fact that (1) the mosque will be built in a building that actually HAD contact with one the wings from a 9/11 plane (source: Hudson NY article I posted above) and (2) on or near the anniversary date of 9/11/01 - its just too coincidental.
I would love to know why they can't build it somewhere else? Why THERE of all places??
No problem. I love correcting you; it just gets old after awhile.
Let me ask you something. Do you find the abundance of strip clubs and porn shops in the area to be disrespectful and insensitive?
Clearly, it was not strippers who took down the buildings on that day - so don't use that as your answer.
But do you find those to be disrespectful and insensitive to the people who passed away on September 11th and their families?
And furthermore - the reason why the founders of this community center want it there because the mosque in that area of the city is currently operating at more-than-full capacity. That is why THERE of all places.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
You know what I find ridiculous,
is that America was founded on tolerance, yet here people will be called ignorant for not agreeing with the majority.
No one is saying that a mosque is "not allowed" on that site. People are expressing their apprehensions associated with a religion that thousands of Americans (of all religions) were murdered in the name of.
We haven't asked Japan if we could build a memorial in Hiroshima. We wouldn't dare ask them and its been 65 years now. Why is it wrong to feel that the Imam is being insensitive to our fresh wounds? Isn't it our right as American's to speak it?
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by twiceasnice
You know what I find ridiculous,
is that America was founded on tolerance, yet here people will be called ignorant for not agreeing with the majority.
No one is saying that a mosque is "not allowed" on that site. People are expressing their apprehensions associated with a religion that thousands of Americans (of all religions) were murdered in the name of.
We haven't asked Japan if we could build a memorial in Hiroshima. We wouldn't dare ask them and its been 65 years now. Why is it wrong to feel that the Imam is being insensitive to our fresh wounds? Isn't it our right as American's to speak it?
why would we build a memorial in Hiroshim? WE bombed THEM. and there's one there already. I've been ther eand you know what. I am American and they didn't have a problem with me walking on their hollowed ground.
I don't think ANYONE said that people arent' allowed to think and feel a certain way.
but this being America, we as a country are supposed to rise above individual feeling to do what is universally right and true.
blocking the mosque does no such thing.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Otherme
I'd like to see a source that shows that the building would be opened on 9/11/11. Considering they haven't even started any work/reconstruction there yet, i find it very hard to believe a fixed end date to the work can be predicted, let alone a grand opening or whatever people think it is (btw 9/11/11 is a sunday)
that to me sounds like a very suspicious rumor, generated to add to the 'fear' out there over the whole thing
I don't think there is a set date either but apparently the NY Post fueled the fire by interjecting the 9/11/11 date which is what caused the fuel to ignite:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/mosque_madness_at_ground_zero_OQ34EB0MWS0lXuAnQau5uL
I leave that up to you ladies whether the NY Post is a "credible" source
Kris/PearlJamChick: I don't think the comparison to building a religious center like a Mosque (which generally is a positive) to strip clubs/porn shops (generally a negative) is a fair one. Camps who opposed the opening of strip clubs/porn shops did so on moral grounds and concern over devaluing property values. Here, its more the timing and location of the mosque placement more so than the residual effects on the neighborhood and NYC overall. Also,I really don't like your condescending tone - I don't like you but theres no reason to engage in absolutely snarky remarks like that..I have a right to post my opinion on here as much as anyone else.
The fact remains that 9/11 is a sore spot for many NY'ers alike, and I just don't find any reasons put forth by Mosque supporters on why THIS specific location is better than any OTHER location in New York City. 
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Ophelia
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by LuvHelloKitty
The fact remains that 9/11 is a sore spot for many NY'ers alike, and I just don't find any reasons put forth by Mosque supporters on why THIS specific location is better than any OTHER location in New York City.
this is NY city real estate. they have a need in this area, and this space fit the bill. just like any other real estate transaction. plus, the prices are good downtown.
it's pretty simple really. it doesn't seem too out there to me.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
I did some research. The Imam has not recognized Hamas as a terrorist group.
Imam terror error
Ground Zero mosque leader hedges on Hamas
The imam behind plans to build a controversial Ground Zero mosque yesterday refused to describe Hamas as a terrorist organization.
According to the State Department's assessment, "Hamas terrorists, especially those in the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have conducted many attacks, including large-scale suicide bombings, against Israeli civilian and military targets."
Asked if he agreed with the State Department's assessment, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf told WABC radio, "Look, I'm not a politician.
"The issue of terrorism is a very complex question," he told interviewer Aaron Klein.
"There was an attempt in the '90s to have the UN define what terrorism is and say who was a terrorist. There was no ability to get agreement on that."
Asked again for his opinion on Hamas, an exasperated Rauf wouldn't budge.
"I am a peace builder. I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy," Rauf said, insisting that he wants to see peace in Israel between Jews and Arabs.
Rauf also would not answer a question about Egypt's outlawed Muslim Brotherhood.
"I have nothing to do with the Muslim Brotherhood. My father was never a member of the Muslim Brotherhood," he said, disputing a rumor.
Rauf's position has come under a microscope as he leads an effort to build a $100 million mosque and community center at 45 Park Place, near Ground Zero.
Meanwhile, a pastor on Staten Island who signed off on a controversial plan to sell a former convent to the Muslim American Society has changed his mind.
St. Margaret Mary R.C. Church Pastor Keith Fennessy sent a letter to Archbishop Timothy Dolan saying that, "after careful reflection," he has withdrawn his support for the convent sale.
But New York Archdiocese spokesman Joseph Zwilling told the Web site SI Live, "The contract was signed, and [Fennessy's withdrawal of support] does not cancel that."
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/imam_terror_error_efmizkHuBUaVnfuQcrcabL#ixzz0wzKDL7Q2
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by LuvHelloKitty
The fact remains that 9/11 is a sore spot for many NY'ers alike, and I just don't find any reasons put forth by Mosque supporters on why THIS specific location is better than any OTHER location in New York City.
this is NY city real estate. they have a need in this area, and this space fit the bill. just like any other real estate transaction. plus, the prices are good downtown.
it's pretty simple really. it doesn't seem too out there to me.
Well I just don't accept that explanation and don't find it satisfactory.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Shelly
Asked if he agreed with the State Department's assessment, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf told WABC radio, "Look, I'm not a politician.
"The issue of terrorism is a very complex question," he told interviewer Aaron Klein.
"There was an attempt in the '90s to have the UN define what terrorism is and say who was a terrorist. There was no ability to get agreement on that."
Asked again for his opinion on Hamas, an exasperated Rauf wouldn't budge.
"I am a peace builder. I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy," Rauf said, insisting that he wants to see peace in Israel between Jews and Arabs.
Rauf also would not answer a question about Egypt's outlawed Muslim Brotherhood.
"I have nothing to do with the Muslim Brotherhood. My father was never a member of the Muslim Brotherhood," he said, disputing a rumor.
Rauf's position has come under a microscope as he leads an effort to build a $100 million mosque and community center at 45 Park Place, near Ground Zero.
honestly, in his position as a man of God, I see NOTHING wrong with his response.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by Ophelia
Posted by LuvHelloKitty
The fact remains that 9/11 is a sore spot for many NY'ers alike, and I just don't find any reasons put forth by Mosque supporters on why THIS specific location is better than any OTHER location in New York City.
this is NY city real estate. they have a need in this area, and this space fit the bill. just like any other real estate transaction. plus, the prices are good downtown.
it's pretty simple really. it doesn't seem too out there to me.
Well I just don't accept that explanation and don't find it satisfactory.
ok
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
This is from a writers opinion column back in May - too bad she doesn't cite her source either
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Ophelia
honestly, in his position as a man of God, I see NOTHING wrong with his response.
ITA!
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by Ophelia
honestly, in his position as a man of God, I see NOTHING wrong with his response.
ITA!
Hammas IS a terrorist group- and they use the words of Islam to justify their actions. Just as the terrorsits on 9/11 did.
Maybe because I'm Jewish and our religion and politics have become so intertwined- I can't separate the two. You have to remember, Israel- like almost every Muslim nation- does not separate religion from politics.
While he is a religious leader, this has become a political issue. Right or wrong- it is. Your building a mosque several blocks from ground zero. My office was across the street- and we were evacuated for 11 months! Its very close. If he wanted to build a mosque in one of the many Muslim sections of downtown Brooklyn, I'm sure there wouldn't be any controversy. But this is now a political issue and I would feel much more comfortable if he could denounce violence and terrorism in the name of Islam- like that perpetrated by Hamas.
ETA: But like I said in my earlier post, its not about me. He has every right to build a mosque there. I just wish he would acknowledge terrorism is wrong- even in the name of his religion.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by Nifheim
Posted by Ophelia
honestly, in his position as a man of God, I see NOTHING wrong with his response.
ITA!
Hammas IS a terrorist group- and they use the words of Islam to justify their actions. Just as the terrorsits on 9/11 did.
Maybe because I'm Jewish and our religion and politics have become so intertwined- I can't separate the two. You have to remember, Israel- like almost every Muslim nation- does not separate religion from politics.
While he is a religious leader, this has become a political issue. Right or wrong- it is. Your building a mosque several blocks from ground zero. My office was across the street- and we were evacuated for 11 months! Its very close. If he wanted to build a mosque in one of the many Muslim sections of downtown Brooklyn, I'm sure there wouldn't be any controversy. But this is now a political issue and I would feel much more comfortable if he could denounce violence and terrorism in the name of Islam- like that perpetrated by Hamas.
I don't think that asking a religious figure to weigh in on the political issue is right.
we are not in Israel. we are here. and here, we do have that separation.
I don't think it's fair to expect a man of God to effectively "take sides'
Peace has no side. and if we ever want to get there, we have to stop trying to be the "rightest" one. I don't know. it's just how I feel.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by PearlJamChick
Posted by LuvHelloKitty
I'm not sure why some of you are putting words in my mouth, I vehemently oppose the building of the mosque for various reasons none of which have to do with my beliefs in Islam being a "more evil" religion than any other. I am ALL for religious freedoms, but for NYC to allow ImaM (thank you Kris for the correction ) to build his mosque RIGHT NEAR the WTC site is just downright disrespectful and insensitive. NYC politicans could have blocked this through rezoning laws but clearly have caved to pressures from certain groups.
Given the fact that (1) the mosque will be built in a building that actually HAD contact with one the wings from a 9/11 plane (source: Hudson NY article I posted above) and (2) on or near the anniversary date of 9/11/01 - its just too coincidental.
I would love to know why they can't build it somewhere else? Why THERE of all places??
No problem. I love correcting you; it just gets old after awhile.
Is this sort of arrogance really necessary? Geeze.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by Ophelia
honestly, in his position as a man of God, I see NOTHING wrong with his response.
ITA!
Seriously?? So you don't think he should recognize terrorists as terrorists?? If the RC priest at my parish said that he didn't want to recognize Hitler as an absolutely monster (since Hitler was technically a baptized Catholic), he would be attacked (and rightfully so). Regardless of one's affiliation, he or she must be able to recognize evil.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Shelly
Posted by Nifheim
Posted by Ophelia
honestly, in his position as a man of God, I see NOTHING wrong with his response.
ITA!
Hammas IS a terrorist group- and they use the words of Islam to justify their actions. Just as the terrorsits on 9/11 did.
Maybe because I'm Jewish and our religion and politics have become so intertwined- I can't separate the two. You have to remember, Israel- like almost every Muslim nation- does not separate religion from politics.
While he is a religious leader, this has become a political issue. Right or wrong- it is. Your building a mosque several blocks from ground zero. My office was across the street- and we were evacuated for 11 months! Its very close. If he wanted to build a mosque in one of the many Muslim sections of downtown Brooklyn, I'm sure there wouldn't be any controversy. But this is now a political issue and I would feel much more comfortable if he could denounce violence and terrorism in the name of Islam- like that perpetrated by Hamas.
OK. While Hamas is in the eyes of the west a terrorist organization, the people of Gaza and The West Bank see them as a way of getting medicine and schooling for their children. When people are desperate they will follow anyone who helps them. Maybe what needs to change is the way the Palestinian people are treated?
I do not agree at all with Hamas shooting rockets into Israel but I also disagree with Israel's blockade.
Nicholas Kristof did some very insightful reporting from The West Bank and Gaza earlier this summer. Very interesting reads.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Shelly
ETA: But like I said in my earlier post, its not about me. He has every right to build a mosque there. I just wish he would acknowledge terrorism is wrong- even in the name of his religion.
But he already has. Several times, so I'm not sure why you think he hasn't?
Here is part of the transcript from 60 minutes that he was on
Bradley: What would you say to people in this country who, looking at what happened in the Middle East, would associate Islam with fanaticism, with terrorism?
Faisal: Fanaticism and terrorism have no place in Islam. That's just as absurd as associating Hitler with Christianity, or David Koresh with Christianity. There are always people who will do peculiar things, and think that they are doing things in the name of their religion. But the Koran is... God says in the Koran that they think that they are doing right, but they are doing wrong.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Ophelia
Peace has no side. and if we ever want to get there, we have to stop trying to be the "rightest" one. I don't know. it's just how I feel.
I don't need to be right. I don't think there is a "right." I just don't want to be the victim of hatred just because of my religion. I don't hate Muslims- but I sure as heck hate terrorists.
I once went to hear a "reformed" terrorist speak. What he said was interesting, but what was fascinating is how many Muslims in the audience got up to speak that they were raised to "hate the jew" and even to "kill the jews" if given an opportunity.
One audience member told a story about how there was a Jewish doctor visiting his town. The townspeople heard and rallied to murder him shouting "kill the jew." When the man asked why they would kill the jew- the answer was- we are Muslims. Its what we do. They didn't know anything about him- just that he was a Jew. When they got there, the Jew was gone. The house of the family that welcomed him was vandalized for being hospitable.
I would hope that ALL religious leaders denounce violence in the name of their religion. Particular when extremists of that religion expressly state that because I am a Jew, I am their sworn enemy and should be killed.
ETA: Like I said initially- If the mosque is built this is an opportunity to bring Muslims and non-muslims together to understand one another. If its used as a platform for peace, I totally support it.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by PearlJamChick
Posted by LuvHelloKitty
I'm not sure why some of you are putting words in my mouth, I vehemently oppose the building of the mosque for various reasons none of which have to do with my beliefs in Islam being a "more evil" religion than any other. I am ALL for religious freedoms, but for NYC to allow ImaM (thank you Kris for the correction ) to build his mosque RIGHT NEAR the WTC site is just downright disrespectful and insensitive. NYC politicans could have blocked this through rezoning laws but clearly have caved to pressures from certain groups.
Given the fact that (1) the mosque will be built in a building that actually HAD contact with one the wings from a 9/11 plane (source: Hudson NY article I posted above) and (2) on or near the anniversary date of 9/11/01 - its just too coincidental.
I would love to know why they can't build it somewhere else? Why THERE of all places??
No problem. I love correcting you; it just gets old after awhile.
Is this sort of arrogance really necessary? Geeze.
When it comes to her, sure. She was nasty enough to plenty of people on LIW until she was booted with her twelve user names. So sometimes, it's a wee bit personal.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Shelly
Posted by Ophelia
Peace has no side. and if we ever want to get there, we have to stop trying to be the "rightest" one. I don't know. it's just how I feel.
I don't need to be right. I don't think there is a "right." I just don't want to be the victim of hatred just because of my religion. I don't hate Muslims- but I sure as heck hate terrorists.
I once went to hear a "reformed" terrorist speak. What he said was interesting, but what was fascinating is how many Muslims in the audience got up to speak that they were raised to "hate the jew" and even to "kill the jews" if given an opportunity.
One audience member told a story about how there was a Jewish doctor visiting his town. The townspeople heard and rallied to murder him shouting "kill the jew." When the man asked why they would kill the jew- the answer was- we are Muslims. Its what we do. They didn't know anything about him- just that he was a Jew. When they got there, the Jew was gone. The house of the family that welcomed him was vandalized for being hospitable.
I would hope that ALL religious leaders denounce violence in the name of their religion. Particular when extremists of that religion expressly state that because I am a Jew, I am their sworn enemy and should be killed.
I meant global you's and we's. specifically regarding the conflict.
but to your point, kidsaplenty posted a clip from another interview that hopefully will ease your mind about it.
and your story is terrible. and sad. 
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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ETA: But like I said in my earlier post, its not about me. He has every right to build a mosque there. I just wish he would acknowledge terrorism is wrong- even in the name of his religion.
But he already has. Several times, so I'm not sure why you think he hasn't?
Here is part of the transcript from 60 minutes that he was on
Bradley: What would you say to people in this country who, looking at what happened in the Middle East, would associate Islam with fanaticism, with terrorism?
Faisal: Fanaticism and terrorism have no place in Islam. That's just as absurd as associating Hitler with Christianity, or David Koresh with Christianity. There are always people who will do peculiar things, and think that they are doing things in the name of their religion. But the Koran is... God says in the Koran that they think that they are doing right, but they are doing wrong.
I'm glad to see that. I didn't see this quote. I still prefer that they didn't build a new mosque so close to ground zero- but if it is built- I hope it serves as a vehicle for bridging the gap between Muslims and non-muslims and spreading understanding of each to one another.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by laurenandmike619
Is this sort of arrogance really necessary? Geeze.
When it comes to her, sure. She was nasty enough to plenty of people on LIW until she was booted with her twelve user names. So sometimes, it's a wee bit personal.
Is tihs LIW? Last I checked, it wasn't. Was I ever nasty to you? Last I recall, NO. So stop being a whiny baby and making everything personal. I don't like half the stuff you post but I don't get on here and specifically target you for abuse and ridicule - because its omething called respect of difference of opinion (which seems to be something you lack completely). Get. Over. It.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Oh boy, something tells me this thread will become pulled soon ladies.
Come on now, let's be nice to one another. The world is a tough place these days. I understand that this is a very touchy subject but, come on now let's have PEACE 
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
There is a mosque in my neighborhood. There are no problems stemming from having it there. I don't mind it being there one bit either.
There's also some sort of private hacidic (idk how to spell that) jewish school in my neighborhood as well; strangely enough it's within walking distance to the mosque. They bus the students in late on a sunday night (I think that's the day) and then bus them home on a friday I would assume. Sometimes you see them walking outside on certain religious days; and they walk passed that mosque too. The school doesn't bother me one bit either.
I will say that after the 9/11 attacks they did beef up security around the mosque but eventually it dissapated.
I should also mention the area where both the Mosque and the Jewish School are located, is predominately German. The whole thing is an interesting concept and yet there are really no racial problems in the area over either one being there.
I don't mind where they put the mosuq (or churches or temples for that matter either). I just think 2 blocks away from the WTC and the fact that there's such outrage from the families of those lost and others over the whole thing is reason enough to move it a few blocks further away. It can still be in lower Manhattan, but just a bit further away. I would think at least 4 + blocks would work.
I don't think that everyone who is opposed to the mosque being built there is ignorant or racist or anything of the sort. I think there are level headed people out there like myself that believe in the freedom of religion and believe that the Muslims have just as much of a right to be here as anyone else but that this one particular mosque should be build a little further away. Causing this type of national outrage is no way to bring peace. It's only going to do more harm then good. Also, there are people who don't think the mosque should be built there but they also don't believe the government should be the ones to stop them. I think they should just pick another location, seeing as though it's an extremely touchy subject for the families and seeing that it's hurting some or most of the families of those murdered. Just out of sheer respect for them they should opt, on their own accord, to build elsewhere. Accept gov Patterson's alternative deal.
I'm just having a hard time with the idea that those who don't want the mosque in that particular location automatically means we don't want freedom of religion and we hate muslims and believe all muslims are terrorists. This certainly is not how I feel. Not even for a second.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by LuvHelloKitty
Posted by PearlJamChick
Posted by laurenandmike619
Is this sort of arrogance really necessary? Geeze.
When it comes to her, sure. She was nasty enough to plenty of people on LIW until she was booted with her twelve user names. So sometimes, it's a wee bit personal.
Is tihs LIW? Last I checked, it wasn't. Was I ever nasty to you? Last I recall, NO. So stop being a whiny baby and making everything personal. I don't like half the stuff you post but I don't get on here and specifically target you for abuse and ridicule - because its omething called respect of difference of opinion (which seems to be something you lack completely). Get. Over. It.
I have no idea who either of you were on LIW, so sorry if there's some sort of history btwn you two... I didn't know.
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