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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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[This Iman has refused to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist group
This Iman when asked about the 9/11 attacks said "I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened. But the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."
Why doesn he need to have this center so close to the towers? Is the demand so great for his services that he can't move it to Murry Hill or midtown?
please do me a favor and quote a DIRECT. DIRECT source for these quotes.
I am not saying he didn't say it. I am saying I just googled it and came up with a bunch of crap biased websites.
thanks.
I see a lot of "facts" being thrown around on this thread with zero sources to back it up.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
This Iman has refused to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist group
This Iman when asked about the 9/11 attacks said "I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened. But the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."
Why doesn he need to have this center so close to the towers? Is the demand so great for his services that he can't move it to Murry Hill or midtown?
Can please post the source?
I have heard similar things as well. And am interested in where I can read it in print to determine whether or not it is legitimate.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Okay not to sound like Prudence McPrude over here, but I would appreciate it if we could refrain from the prophanities. I think this is a great conversation and has been handled calmly and intelligently for the most part, but once people start with the unnecessary language, I think it start to go downhill. Again, not trying to sound "Holier than Thou" but just trying to encourage respect for each other.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by Goldi0218
Imagine having to go into temple to pray knowing the guy at the door with the suit was not a member, but packed a piece? That is not normal. THAT is not right. THAT to me is NOT religious freedom. That is scary.
I would imagine after this is built security for this mosque/community center will be beefed up as well.
Exactly, people are HATING all muslims in the same way that Goldi is saying people may hate Jewish people. Did anyone see what was written on some of the protestors (those that were at the proposed site of the mosque) signs?!?!? When will it end? It goes both ways.
I completely agree. I can just imagine the reaction from people on this site if someone said they felt uncomfortable with a synagogue being built near there home. Absolute sh!t storm.
Cold hard reality - people DO hate Jewish people. That's why we have been fighting for the right to keep a piece of land the size of a hangnail for thousands of years. That is why we make up less than one percent of all religion in the world. THOUSANDS of years of direct persecution.
When it comes to 9/11, whether directly or indirectly affected by the horror of the day, it touched us all differently. It represents loss to some, it represents preservation to others.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Goldi0218
Exactly, people are HATING all muslims in the same way that Goldi is saying people may hate Jewish people. Did anyone see what was written on some of the protestors (those that were at the proposed site of the mosque) signs?!?!? When will it end? It goes both ways.
I completely agree. I can just imagine the reaction from people on this site if someone said they felt uncomfortable with a synagogue being built near there home. Absolute sh!t storm.
Cold hard reality - people DO hate Jewish people. That's why we have been fighting for the right to keep a piece of land the size of a hangnail for thousands of years. That is why we make up less than one percent of all religion in the world. THOUSANDS of years of direct persecution.
When it comes to 9/11, whether directly or indirectly affected by the horror of the day, it touched us all differently. It represents loss to some, it represents preservation to others.
I completely agree, there are a lot of people who hate Jewish people.
I also see a startling trend in the amount of hatred being thrown toward Muslims. Even the Imam in question, who is a moderate Muslim, wrote a book titled
What's Right with Islam Is What's Right with America, and has openly rejected raidcal Islam during prayers is now an extremist? It just proves the radical's point-that the U.S hates anything about Islam and will never accept it.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by Goldi0218
Exactly, people are HATING all muslims in the same way that Goldi is saying people may hate Jewish people. Did anyone see what was written on some of the protestors (those that were at the proposed site of the mosque) signs?!?!? When will it end? It goes both ways.
I completely agree. I can just imagine the reaction from people on this site if someone said they felt uncomfortable with a synagogue being built near there home. Absolute sh!t storm.
Cold hard reality - people DO hate Jewish people. That's why we have been fighting for the right to keep a piece of land the size of a hangnail for thousands of years. That is why we make up less than one percent of all religion in the world. THOUSANDS of years of direct persecution.
When it comes to 9/11, whether directly or indirectly affected by the horror of the day, it touched us all differently. It represents loss to some, it represents preservation to others.
I completely agree, there are a lot of people who hate Jewish people.
I also see a startling trend in the amount of hatred being thrown toward Muslims. Even the Imam in question, who is a moderate Muslim, wrote a book titled
What's Right with Islam Is What's Right with America, and has openly rejected raidcal Islam during prayers is now an extremist? It just proves the radical's point-that the U.S hates anything about Islam and will never accept it.
Even if it's true that the US hates anything about Islam, I don't agree that it will "never" accept it. It's still only less than ten years ago that 9-11 happened and I think for the majority, people are just still fearful.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Ophelia
you know, the sad fact is is that no one would probably have ever even noticed this site had it not been for such strong media attention.
it's in a pretty inconspicuous spot. you don't have to walk past it to get to the foot print. you cannot see it from ground zero. (there are other buildings and city blocks in the way)
would it be possible to see it once the new towers are erected? maybe.
but that is not really the point.
the simple fact is. we have a villian. we have a nameable villian. and his name is "muslim". and as long as we allow anger to cloud judgment, nothing will change.
it doesn't matter that muslims were killed. it doesn't matter that these small number of extremists were not speaking on behalf of an entire religious populus. It matters not one bit.
the reason we will continue to be targets is this constant circle of hate and retribution, which most of the worlds religions, no matter WHAT your God is called, preaches against.
the US vs THEM mentality is what keeps us in this cycle of death and violence.
and until it is broken, we will never be safe. no matter where you build this mosque.
thank you
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BunnyWife
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by laurenandmike619
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by Goldi0218
Exactly, people are HATING all muslims in the same way that Goldi is saying people may hate Jewish people. Did anyone see what was written on some of the protestors (those that were at the proposed site of the mosque) signs?!?!? When will it end? It goes both ways.
I completely agree. I can just imagine the reaction from people on this site if someone said they felt uncomfortable with a synagogue being built near there home. Absolute sh!t storm.
Cold hard reality - people DO hate Jewish people. That's why we have been fighting for the right to keep a piece of land the size of a hangnail for thousands of years. That is why we make up less than one percent of all religion in the world. THOUSANDS of years of direct persecution.
When it comes to 9/11, whether directly or indirectly affected by the horror of the day, it touched us all differently. It represents loss to some, it represents preservation to others.
I completely agree, there are a lot of people who hate Jewish people.
I also see a startling trend in the amount of hatred being thrown toward Muslims. Even the Imam in question, who is a moderate Muslim, wrote a book titled
What's Right with Islam Is What's Right with America, and has openly rejected raidcal Islam during prayers is now an extremist? It just proves the radical's point-that the U.S hates anything about Islam and will never accept it.
Even if it's true that the US hates anything about Islam, I don't agree that it will "never" accept it. It's still only less than ten years ago that 9-11 happened and I think for the majority, people are just still fearful.
But what is fear really? People tend to fear what they don't understand. Scary muslims with there crazy clothes and head scarves and strange language. Maybe if people stopped and tried to learn about about Islam,maybe spoke to a muslim they wouldn't be so afraid.
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Goldi0218
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by laurenandmike619
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by Goldi0218
Exactly, people are HATING all muslims in the same way that Goldi is saying people may hate Jewish people. Did anyone see what was written on some of the protestors (those that were at the proposed site of the mosque) signs?!?!? When will it end? It goes both ways.
I completely agree. I can just imagine the reaction from people on this site if someone said they felt uncomfortable with a synagogue being built near there home. Absolute sh!t storm.
Cold hard reality - people DO hate Jewish people. That's why we have been fighting for the right to keep a piece of land the size of a hangnail for thousands of years. That is why we make up less than one percent of all religion in the world. THOUSANDS of years of direct persecution.
When it comes to 9/11, whether directly or indirectly affected by the horror of the day, it touched us all differently. It represents loss to some, it represents preservation to others.
I completely agree, there are a lot of people who hate Jewish people.
I also see a startling trend in the amount of hatred being thrown toward Muslims. Even the Imam in question, who is a moderate Muslim, wrote a book titled
What's Right with Islam Is What's Right with America, and has openly rejected raidcal Islam during prayers is now an extremist? It just proves the radical's point-that the U.S hates anything about Islam and will never accept it.
Even if it's true that the US hates anything about Islam, I don't agree that it will "never" accept it. It's still only less than ten years ago that 9-11 happened and I think for the majority, people are just still fearful.
But what is fear really? People tend to fear what they don't understand. Scary muslims with there crazy clothes and head scarves and strange language. Maybe if people stopped and tried to learn about about Islam,maybe spoke to a muslim they wouldn't be so afraid.
FYI someone is not quoting properly. I did NOT say what was in the middle of your post.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by laurenandmike619
Even if it's true that the US hates anything about Islam, I don't agree that it will "never" accept it. It's still only less than ten years ago that 9-11 happened and I think for the majority, people are just still fearful.
But what is fear really? People tend to fear what they don't understand. Scary muslims with there crazy clothes and head scarves and strange language. Maybe if people stopped and tried to learn about about Islam,maybe spoke to a muslim they wouldn't be so afraid.
No it's not about scary clothes or scary head scarves. I'm speaking ONLY on behalf of those who have lost loved ones by the hands of radical Muslims. Those people tend to generalize about Muslims but they've been traumatized so it's more understandable that they'd be fearful of all Muslims. Even though it's irrational, it's still understandable.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by annoyedTTCer
This Iman when asked about the 9/11 attacks said "I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened. But the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."
Glenn Beck said the same thing
and the Sunday after 9/11 a priest at St Francis of Assisi in Greenlawn told the parishioners that Americans deserved the attacks b/c "we" were sinners. - a large portion of the congregation left
Posted by Goldi0218
Just after 9/11, the Jewish people were to descend upon houses of worship in order to celebrate the High Holy Days of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. I lived in a very religious area at the time (Kew Gardens Hills) and typically, security by the NYPD was beefed up with cops on the corners because of the dense population of Jews. After 9/11, I'd say it probably doubled. [...] That is not normal. THAT is not right. THAT to me is NOT religious freedom. That is scary.
I remember this well. I lived in the LES and I remember the police in front of the Rivington Synogogue, but I also remember the police outside of the Yemeni corner market store.
A mosque was just built a few miles from my house and I think it's a great community addition.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by DiamondGirl
This Iman has refused to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist group
This Iman when asked about the 9/11 attacks said "I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened. But the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."
Why doesn he need to have this center so close to the towers? Is the demand so great for his services that he can't move it to Murry Hill or midtown?
Can please post the source?
I have heard similar things as well. And am interested in where I can read it in print to determine whether or not it is legitimate.
Thanks
His thoughts on Hamas, you can hear the words from his own mouth
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=168797
The 9/11 quotes come from a 60 minutes piece on him and have been quotes in Time, Newsweek and The Wall Street Journal.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by DiamondGirl
This Iman has refused to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist group
This Iman when asked about the 9/11 attacks said "I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened. But the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."
Why doesn he need to have this center so close to the towers? Is the demand so great for his services that he can't move it to Murry Hill or midtown?
Can please post the source?
I have heard similar things as well. And am interested in where I can read it in print to determine whether or not it is legitimate.
Thanks
His thoughts on Hamas, you can hear the words from his own mouth
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=168797
The 9/11 quotes come from a 60 minutes piece on him and have been quotes in Time, Newsweek and The Wall Street Journal.
World net daily is a reliable source? I can't find anything on 60 minutes, Time, Newsweek, or The Wall Street journal about those quotes, maybe you can?
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Out of curiosity, those who say they are opposed only because of the location - what would be an acceptable location?
If 2 blocks away from Ground Zero is too close, is 3 blocks ok? 4 blocks?
How do you decide where to draw the line?
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
I read Imam's quotes in various sources also, I will try to find the URL showing the actual quotes because I do remember reading those same words elsewhere.
Here is an article that discusses the Mosque building project in more detail.
http://www.hudson-ny.org/960/mosque-at-the-world-trade-center-muslim-renewal-or-insult-near-ground-zero
by the way, it's Islamic tradition to build a mosque on or near a site of victorious battle.
Bet ya'll didn't know that one, eh.
Edited for spelling since some people have their panties in a bunch over Iman v Imam..
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by LuvHelloKitty
by the way, it's Islamic tradition to build a mosque on or near a site of victorious battle.
Bet ya'll didn't know that one, eh.
Source?
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
so now is financial backing the question or the mosque itself? Like i feel this battle keeps getting deep and deeper. If people want to question the financial backing of the mosque and if its fueled by terrorist then I think its a viable question to have. But to say I don't want the mosque built because i think its disrespectful is not a reason for it not to be built.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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by the way, it's Islamic tradition to build a mosque on or near a site of victorious battle.
Bet ya'll didn't know that one, eh.
Source?
Its general knowledge but here are a few links that discusses the Islamic tradition of building mosques to commemorate battles on which Muslims/Islamic followers were victorious:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Turkey
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2570979/replies?c=3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_art
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankara#Mosques
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_non-Muslim_places_of_worship_into_mosques
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
First off, it's "Imam". Not "Iman". Iman is married to David Bowie. An Imam is a leader of Islam. Get it right.
And secondly. I can't even believe I am entertaining you of all people, Legal Diva, but in your ASSUMPTION that it's tradition to build a mosque on or near a site of victorious battle, then why don't you list the victorious battles that occurred on or near the sites of the 1200+ mosques in the United States.
Go on.
List them.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
I don't consider blogs and wikipedia reliable sources.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
LuvHelloKitty yea i agree with you Muslims did build on top of ruins of other religious buildings. Your pulling from historical reports. Things that happened MANY years ago - the majority of all other religions did the same thing. Why do you think in Norway they had church burnings in 95-97? Because they built over pagan lands. The mosque in NYC being built is not going on top of the footprints, its going near it along with many other mosques, churches and houses of worship. Edit part: by saying they are doing this to show they "won" a battle is really silly. There are other mosques and islamic schools right near there. My cousin takes her child to a very private Islamic school and worked at WTC. She isn't a terrorist and she doesn't see that religious building as a beacon of terrorism pride.
BTW do you know Manhattan is pretty much one HUGE burial ground for African Americans and Indians? Should I list how many grave sites are paved over from revolution times because we needed more space? So your argument to make Muslims more evil then ourselves is really not valid.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
I'm not sure why some of you are putting words in my mouth, I vehemently oppose the building of the mosque for various reasons none of which have to do with my beliefs in Islam being a "more evil" religion than any other. I am ALL for religious freedoms, but for NYC to allow ImaM (thank you Kris for the correction ) to build his mosque RIGHT NEAR the WTC site is just downright disrespectful and insensitive. NYC politicans could have blocked this through rezoning laws but clearly have caved to pressures from certain groups.
Given the fact that (1) the mosque will be built in a building that actually HAD contact with one the wings from a 9/11 plane (source: Hudson NY article I posted above) and (2) on or near the anniversary date of 9/11/01 - its just too coincidental.
I would love to know why they can't build it somewhere else? Why THERE of all places??
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by LuvHelloKitty
I'm not sure why some of you are putting words in my mouth, I vehemently oppose the building of the mosque for various reasons none of which have to do with my beliefs in Islam being a "more evil" religion than any other. I am ALL for religious freedoms, but for NYC to allow ImaM (thank you Kris for the correction ) to build his mosque RIGHT NEAR the WTC site is just downright disrespectful and insensitive. NYC politicans could have blocked this through rezoning laws but clearly have caved to pressures from certain groups.
Given the fact that (1) the mosque will be built in a building that actually HAD contact with one the wings from a 9/11 plane (source: Hudson NY article I posted above) and (2) on or near the anniversary date of 9/11/01 - its just too coincidental.
I would love to know why they can't build it somewhere else? Why THERE of all places??
my dining table had dust from the buildings on it.
does that mean I cannot break bread in my home with muslims too?
this is ridiculous.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
I'd like to see a source that shows that the building would be opened on 9/11/11. Considering they haven't even started any work/reconstruction there yet, i find it very hard to believe a fixed end date to the work can be predicted, let alone a grand opening or whatever people think it is (btw 9/11/11 is a sunday)
that to me sounds like a very suspicious rumor, generated to add to the 'fear' out there over the whole thing
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
K just so i had my facts straight. Taken from NY Times after doing a google maps search on the area:
Masjid Manhattan, on Warren Street, four blocks from ground zero, was founded in 1970. Masjid al-Farah, formerly on Mercer Street, moved to its present location on West Broadway, about 12 blocks from ground zero, in 1985. Both mosques — essentially one-room operations — routinely turn people away for lack of space.
So if they need another location near their current one in order to support the needs of their "parishioners" why the hell not? I mean I understand questioning the individual who wants to build it, why not build it somewhere else but when obviously there is a need for one in that spot.
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