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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Liken it to building an amusement park or a Mcdonalds at/near Auschwitz - it's just plain disrespectful in my opinion, where such a tragedy occurred. While we're at it, let's build a sushi buffet at Pearl Harbor. Then a KKK meeting hall at/near where MLK was shot in Memphis. 
Auschwitz IS actually a park right next to the museum. Its odd to see people picnicing while when i was there to see the museum on the site of the concenctration camp.
That being said, I'll be honest. I would prefer it if they would build the mosque somewhere else. Would I protest, no. I wouldn't even post that stupid thing on my Facebook page. Do they have the right to build it there- yes. But honestly, I prefer that they weren't south of Chambers. Just my own personal opinion of having worked down the block from the WTC, being a Jew, and the daughter and wife of Israelis.
Yes, it was a few extremist that masterminded and carried out the attack. And no, I don't think all muslims are terrorists. I realize that some victims of the 9/11 attack were Muslims. But the fact that so many Muslims support Hamas shows me that on some level, a lot of Muslims have similar general views about Americans and Jews. I don't think that 90% of the world's Muslims would do anything violent- but I'm just a little uncomfortable with it. But hey, just because I'm uncomfortable with it doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't do it. I'm uncomfortable with yet another bank opening up in my neighborhood but I certainly think they have a right to open up where ever they want.
On the flip side, if they make efforts to help rebuild and reach out to the commuinty, and make efforts to bridge the gap between Muslims and non-Muslims, I would be very impressed and think it would be a great asset to the community.
Thank you for so eloquently saying what I couldn't.
Very well said. I am opposed to location of the mosque because of some of the things the Imam has said and his possible ties to radical Islam. I don't think anyone who is opposed to the mosque is against religous freedom. I think we all believe in religous freedoms. I wonder why it is that Americans are always expected to be tolerant. It should be a two way street. If they Imam knows there is a large public opinion regarding the location of the mosque, what is wrong with being tolerant to our sensitivites with it being built so close and soon after Islamic terrrorists attacked our country? I do not believe all Muslims are terrorists or they shouldn't have the right to build a mosque, just this particular location bothers me.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Liken it to building an amusement park or a Mcdonalds at/near Auschwitz - it's just plain disrespectful in my opinion, where such a tragedy occurred. While we're at it, let's build a sushi buffet at Pearl Harbor. Then a KKK meeting hall at/near where MLK was shot in Memphis.
Auschwitz IS actually a park right next to the museum. Its odd to see people picnicing while when i was there to see the museum on the site of the concenctration camp.
That being said, I'll be honest. I would prefer it if they would build the mosque somewhere else. Would I protest, no. I wouldn't even post that stupid thing on my Facebook page. Do they have the right to build it there- yes. But honestly, I prefer that they weren't south of Chambers. Just my own personal opinion of having worked down the block from the WTC, being a Jew, and the daughter and wife of Israelis.
Yes, it was a few extremist that masterminded and carried out the attack. And no, I don't think all muslims are terrorists. I realize that some victims of the 9/11 attack were Muslims. But the fact that so many Muslims support Hamas shows me that on some level, a lot of Muslims have similar general views about Americans and Jews. I don't think that 90% of the world's Muslims would do anything violent- but I'm just a little uncomfortable with it. But hey, just because I'm uncomfortable with it doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't do it. I'm uncomfortable with yet another bank opening up in my neighborhood but I certainly think they have a right to open up where ever they want.
On the flip side, if they make efforts to help rebuild and reach out to the commuinty, and make efforts to bridge the gap between Muslims and non-Muslims, I would be very impressed and think it would be a great asset to the community.
Thank you for so eloquently saying what I couldn't.
Very well said. I am opposed to location of the mosque because of some of the things the Imam has said and his possible ties to radical Islam. I don't think anyone who is opposed to the mosque is against religous freedom. I think we all believe in religous freedoms. I wonder why it is that Americans are always expected to be tolerant. It should be a two way street. If they Imam knows there is a large public opinion regarding the location of the mosque, what is wrong with being tolerant to our sensitivites with it being built so close and soon after Islamic terrrorists attacked our country? I do not believe all Muslims are terrorists or they shouldn't have the right to build a mosque, just this particular location bothers me.
I agree.
I don't know if it's true- but I've also read that the planned opening of the center is on 9/11/11- it sounds unlikely, but if it's the case- then I think THAT is more insensitive than the actual building.
I'm not enraged by the idea of building the community center at the location, I just don't understand what the big deal is to build it elsewhere
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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That being said, I'll be honest. I would prefer it if they would build the mosque somewhere else. Would I protest, no. I wouldn't even post that stupid thing on my Facebook page. Do they have the right to build it there- yes. But honestly, I prefer that they weren't south of Chambers.
ITA. When it comes down to it, i guess i'd just consider myself indifferent to it, but i do have to admit that when i heard about them building it there i definitely cringed a bit. Of course they're free to do whatever they choose, but something about it just seemed... unnecessary, i guess. Too controversial for a wound that is still so sore for so many.
So what IS it about this site that is so great to the developer? I read bits from an interview with him on NY1.com and he doesn't sound like it's budging. I guess it's prime area? I'm not an expert on real estate so I'm not sure what it is about the location, just being central maybe?
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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I'm not enraged by the idea of building the community center at the location, I just don't understand what the big deal is to build it elsewhere
If you watch the link that Mangomama posted you will see that this particular building was purchased for about 4 million dollars. I would think it would be hard to find real estate for that cheap somewhere else in NYC. I would venture to say that is one of the reasons they would find it a big deal to build somewhere else.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
People keep posting that they "heard" the Imam is radical. Where did you hear this? Source please? Because I haven't heard any of this and I read/listen to a lot of different news sources.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
those opposed...is it just due to the site location?
it doesn't sound like it. Would you protest one on your block? I think we are hitting a slippery scary slope.
This has torn my family apart. my uncle was the leader in the protest against the mosque on SI. It was on his block. My immediate family are FLAMING liberals. Things were said.
Where is an ideal location for American citizens who are Muslim to gather? If not at the WTC, on your block? would that be okay? near your children's school?
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
you know, the sad fact is is that no one would probably have ever even noticed this site had it not been for such strong media attention.
it's in a pretty inconspicuous spot. you don't have to walk past it to get to the foot print. you cannot see it from ground zero. (there are other buildings and city blocks in the way)
would it be possible to see it once the new towers are erected? maybe.
but that is not really the point.
the simple fact is. we have a villian. we have a nameable villian. and his name is "muslim". and as long as we allow anger to cloud judgment, nothing will change.
it doesn't matter that muslims were killed. it doesn't matter that these small number of extremists were not speaking on behalf of an entire religious populus. It matters not one bit.
the reason we will continue to be targets is this constant circle of hate and retribution, which most of the worlds religions, no matter WHAT your God is called, preaches against.
the US vs THEM mentality is what keeps us in this cycle of death and violence.
and until it is broken, we will never be safe. no matter where you build this mosque.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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those opposed...is it just due to the site location?
it doesn't sound like it. Would you protest one on your block? I think we are hitting a slippery scary slope.
This has torn my family apart. my uncle was the leader in the protest against the mosque on SI. It was on his block. My immediate family are FLAMING liberals. Things were said.
Where is an ideal location for American citizens who are Muslim to gather? If not at the WTC, on your block? would that be okay? near your children's school?
Quite honestly, I think the majority of the women on this site would have no problem with a mosque being built on their block (I wouldn't care) but feel that it is insensitive and/or disrespectful to build the mosque so close to the WTC. Again, why is the builder SO insistent on building it there? And for the sake of the Muslims going there to worship, does one think these people won't be terrorized by those opposed to building the mosque there? I for one do not agree with building a mosque so close to Ground Zero. Like another poster said, women raped and beaten by blacks or latinos are fearful of most blacks or latinos in general. This isn't due to intolerance or racism, it's due to being traumatized by a particular person and then generalizing that person's ethnicity. It is a very normal reaction. For those who lost loved ones in the 9-11 attacks, building a mosque so close to Ground Zero can be very hurtful and those people are not ignorant, they're traumatized by an attack that KILLED their husbands, wives, children, friends, etc., and this attack happened to be by Muslim radicals. If the builder feels he is being insensitive to these mourners and the building will create hostility instead of love and worship, why not build elsewhere and minimize the heartache?
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
I was there on 9/11 and it was one of the worst days of my life. Thank God I did not loose any of my loved ones.
there are ppl that did, and If these families feel upset , do not want this Mosque there, then put it somewhere else. be more sensitive to ppl who lost love ones, suck it up and move to another location. the city is a big place
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by laurenandmike619
Quite honestly, I think the majority of the women on this site would have no problem with a mosque being built on their block
I am not part of that majority and I'd never speak for the majority. It is a very common theme on these boards for the minority of these boards to stay quiet. I am a minority in religion and politics and frankly not afraid to say so. This is a very liberal based group of women. Those of us who lean towards the right are in fact a BIG minority.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Ophelia
you know, the sad fact is is that no one would probably have ever even noticed this site had it not been for such strong media attention.
it's in a pretty inconspicuous spot. you don't have to walk past it to get to the foot print. you cannot see it from ground zero. (there are other buildings and city blocks in the way)
would it be possible to see it once the new towers are erected? maybe.
but that is not really the point.
the simple fact is. we have a villian. we have a nameable villian. and his name is "muslim". and as long as we allow anger to cloud judgment, nothing will change.
it doesn't matter that muslims were killed. it doesn't matter that these small number of extremists were not speaking on behalf of an entire religious populus. It matters not one bit.
the reason we will continue to be targets is this constant circle of hate and retribution, which most of the worlds religions, no matter WHAT your God is called, preaches against.
the US vs THEM mentality is what keeps us in this cycle of death and violence.
and until it is broken, we will never be safe. no matter where you build this mosque.
Well said, ITA. It is sad and scary 
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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I was there on 9/11 and it was one of the worst days of my life. Thank God I did not loose any of my loved ones.
there are ppl that did, and If these families feel upset , do not want this Mosque there, then put it somewhere else. be more sensitive to ppl who lost love ones, suck it up and move to another location. the city is a big place
I agree.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
they will move it to another place - the vandalism would be insane and they would have protesters out there constantly. just proves to the terrorist we hate their religion and culture and adds the fuel to the fire.
news stated that most NY's don't agree with it being built there but agree its their constitutional right to do so. At least thankfully we can agree on that.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Quite honestly, I think the majority of the women on this site would have no problem with a mosque being built on their block
I am not part of that majority and I'd never speak for the majority. It is a very common theme on these boards for the minority of these boards to stay quiet. I am a minority in religion and politics and frankly not afraid to say so. This is a very liberal based group of women. Those of us who lean towards the right are in fact a BIG minority.
I'm sorry I just don't quite understand your post. I, too, lean toward the right in most issues (but not all). In this instance, one could say I lean toward the right because I do not agree with building the mosque there. However, it is more of a sensitivity thing for me, not a "I don't want mosques anywhere near me" sort of thing. Are you saying you also wouldn't want a mosque built near your home? And I'm just asking so as to clarify your post.
And I agree that the minority of the women on this site lean toward the right and are afraid to open their mouths for fear of being ridiculed.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by laurenandmike619
Quite honestly, I think the majority of the women on this site would have no problem with a mosque being built on their block
I am not part of that majority and I'd never speak for the majority. It is a very common theme on these boards for the minority of these boards to stay quiet. I am a minority in religion and politics and frankly not afraid to say so. This is a very liberal based group of women. Those of us who lean towards the right are in fact a BIG minority.
I'm sorry I just don't quite understand your post. I, too, lean toward the right in most issues (but not all). In this instance, one could say I lean toward the right because I do not agree with building the mosque there. However, it is more of a sensitivity thing for me, not a "I don't want mosques anywhere near me" sort of thing. Are you saying you also wouldn't want a mosque built near your home? And I'm just asking so as to clarify your post.
And I agree that the minority of the women on this site lean toward the right and are afraid to open their mouths for fear of being ridiculed.
The point I was trying to make was that if a site member is in the minority on ANYTHING, there is a tendency not to post an opinion. Politics tends to be ONE of those topics in which the minority clams shut. It was a mere example.
Honestly, as a Jewish female, I would not be comfortable with a mosque built right near my home. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. Would I protest it? No, but I would be uncomfortable with it. That's all.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Honestly, as a Jewish female, I would not be comfortable with a mosque built right near my home. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. Would I protest it? No, but I would be uncomfortable with it. That's all.
speaking for myself, I am not arguing against how anyone feels.
that is completely different. no one can expect anyone to feel a certain way privately.
but we must as a society stand true to what we built our country upon. what we send our troops. our men women, husbands wives brothers sisters cousins to protect and defend.
those ideals. those words written in our constitution are EVERYTHING. and we need to put that before our individual feelings or else we are nothing. everything before means nothing.
to me, it's very similar to being pro choice. I may not like it on a personal level, but it is not my place to say no.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Just after 9/11, the Jewish people were to descend upon houses of worship in order to celebrate the High Holy Days of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. I lived in a very religious area at the time (Kew Gardens Hills) and typically, security by the NYPD was beefed up with cops on the corners because of the dense population of Jews. After 9/11, I'd say it probably doubled. Even on LI, where I grew up there were undercover cops inside the synagogues during those holidays because it was well known in the community that synagogues with large numbers in membership (as well as wealth) were in fact targeted for terrorism. Imagine having to go into temple to pray knowing the guy at the door with the suit was not a member, but packed a piece? That is not normal. THAT is not right. THAT to me is NOT religious freedom. That is scary.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Imagine having to go into temple to pray knowing the guy at the door with the suit was not a member, but packed a piece? That is not normal. THAT is not right. THAT to me is NOT religious freedom. That is scary.
I would imagine after this is built security for this mosque/community center will be beefed up as well.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Imagine having to go into temple to pray knowing the guy at the door with the suit was not a member, but packed a piece? That is not normal. THAT is not right. THAT to me is NOT religious freedom. That is scary.
I would imagine after this is built security for this mosque/community center will be beefed up as well.
Exactly, people are HATING all muslims in the same way that Goldi is saying people may hate Jewish people. Did anyone see what was written on some of the protestors (those that were at the proposed site of the mosque) signs?!?!? When will it end? It goes both ways.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
I am not one to ever post on topics like these..but I do get worried for the Muslim Americans. All this Hate and All this negativity is scary..If they build it, I worry the Crazy people will hurt them, just for going to worship there. Almost like when I see protesters standing outside Planned parent hood protesting about a unborn babies rights...I can see it now. A mother and child going to the mosque and having these people shouting ans screaming at her...some things may be too much for a childs ears..I am not against the building of the mosque but wish they would move it a couple more blocks only because I fear what would or could happen to innocent Muslims.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Imagine having to go into temple to pray knowing the guy at the door with the suit was not a member, but packed a piece? That is not normal. THAT is not right. THAT to me is NOT religious freedom. That is scary.
I would imagine after this is built security for this mosque/community center will be beefed up as well.
Of course it will be and it isn't right for the Muslims either. I did not go to temple that year. I dropped flowers off at the local firehouse and prayed at home.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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you know, the sad fact is is that no one would probably have ever even noticed this site had it not been for such strong media attention.
it's in a pretty inconspicuous spot. you don't have to walk past it to get to the foot print. you cannot see it from ground zero. (there are other buildings and city blocks in the way)
would it be possible to see it once the new towers are erected? maybe.
but that is not really the point.
the simple fact is. we have a villian. we have a nameable villian. and his name is "muslim". and as long as we allow anger to cloud judgment, nothing will change.
it doesn't matter that muslims were killed. it doesn't matter that these small number of extremists were not speaking on behalf of an entire religious populus. It matters not one bit.
the reason we will continue to be targets is this constant circle of hate and retribution, which most of the worlds religions, no matter WHAT your God is called, preaches against.
the US vs THEM mentality is what keeps us in this cycle of death and violence.
and until it is broken, we will never be safe. no matter where you build this mosque.
This Iman has refused to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist group
This Iman when asked about the 9/11 attacks said "I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened. But the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."
Why doesn he need to have this center so close to the towers? Is the demand so great for his services that he can't move it to Murry Hill or midtown?
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by laurenandmike619
Quite honestly, I think the majority of the women on this site would have no problem with a mosque being built on their block
I am not part of that majority and I'd never speak for the majority. It is a very common theme on these boards for the minority of these boards to stay quiet. I am a minority in religion and politics and frankly not afraid to say so. This is a very liberal based group of women. Those of us who lean towards the right are in fact a BIG minority.
I'm sorry I just don't quite understand your post. I, too, lean toward the right in most issues (but not all). In this instance, one could say I lean toward the right because I do not agree with building the mosque there. However, it is more of a sensitivity thing for me, not a "I don't want mosques anywhere near me" sort of thing. Are you saying you also wouldn't want a mosque built near your home? And I'm just asking so as to clarify your post.
And I agree that the minority of the women on this site lean toward the right and are afraid to open their mouths for fear of being ridiculed.
The point I was trying to make was that if a site member is in the minority on ANYTHING, there is a tendency not to post an opinion. Politics tends to be ONE of those topics in which the minority clams shut. It was a mere example.
Honestly, as a Jewish female, I would not be comfortable with a mosque built right near my home. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. Would I protest it? No, but I would be uncomfortable with it. That's all.
I don't think that makes you a bad person at all and I completely agree that those in the minority tend to keep their thoughts to themselves. And I don't think that's fair bc everyone has a right to her opinion.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by Goldi0218
Imagine having to go into temple to pray knowing the guy at the door with the suit was not a member, but packed a piece? That is not normal. THAT is not right. THAT to me is NOT religious freedom. That is scary.
I would imagine after this is built security for this mosque/community center will be beefed up as well.
Exactly, people are HATING all muslims in the same way that Goldi is saying people may hate Jewish people. Did anyone see what was written on some of the protestors (those that were at the proposed site of the mosque) signs?!?!? When will it end? It goes both ways.
I completely agree. I can just imagine the reaction from people on this site if someone said they felt uncomfortable with a synagogue being built near there home. Absolute sh!t storm.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by annoyedTTCer
[This Iman has refused to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist group
This Iman when asked about the 9/11 attacks said "I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened. But the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."
Why doesn he need to have this center so close to the towers? Is the demand so great for his services that he can't move it to Murry Hill or midtown?
please do me a favor and quote a DIRECT. DIRECT source for these quotes.
I am not saying he didn't say it. I am saying I just googled it and came up with a bunch of crap biased websites.
thanks.
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