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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
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I can see where that would bring a lot of spending to a grinding halt, or give rise to even more under the table and off the books spending.
I disagree, becasue the materials would have a VAT attached to them, regardless of how the deal was made. The tax would be paid upfront...not on labor but goods.
this "wish" for no income tax would be great, however, it won't happen. many states are already bankrupt (including ours), and are looking into increasing income taxes.
The only income tax that would be abolished would be federal, as the VAT would be federal. I'm sure state income and sales taxes would still prevail, but we pay those now anyway.
we pay taxes on our incomes, to the state and fed
we pay taxes on just about EVERY purchase we make
we pay taxes to all utility companies every month
we pay property taxes
enough with the taxes!
ITA!!! Some people have about 25-30% coming out of their paychecks for taxes and what not. What is it going to go up to 40%. People can't afford to live on their paychecks now, let alone if they add ANOTHER tax.
For god sake, we put into social security every paycheck and got knows we'll probably never see a dime of that considering that's about bankrupt as well.
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
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I can see where that would bring a lot of spending to a grinding halt, or give rise to even more under the table and off the books spending.
I disagree, becasue the materials would have a VAT attached to them, regardless of how the deal was made. The tax would be paid upfront...not on labor but goods.
this "wish" for no income tax would be great, however, it won't happen. many states are already bankrupt (including ours), and are looking into increasing income taxes.
The only income tax that would be abolished would be federal, as the VAT would be federal. I'm sure state income and sales taxes would still prevail, but we pay those now anyway.
we pay taxes on our incomes, to the state and fed
we pay taxes on just about EVERY purchase we make
we pay taxes to all utility companies every month
we pay property taxes
enough with the taxes!
ITA!!! Some people have about 25-30% coming out of their paychecks for taxes and what not. What is it going to go up to 40%. People can't afford to live on their paychecks now, let alone if they add ANOTHER tax.
For god sake, we put into social security every paycheck and got knows we'll probably never see a dime of that considering that's about bankrupt as well.
taxes won't go up to the 40% bracket, they will be at least 50%!
I believe in Canada they pay 60%
how about the Gov't fix Social Security before they embark on another cluster F of a Gov't run program  
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
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We cover education through high school, why should the government cover more than that?
How many rich Europeans have left their home country to avoid taxes?
Not all of us want to pay tax rates similar to those in Europe, some of us would like to keep what we earn.
By the way, if Europe is such a great place why is their unemployment rate usually higher than ours?
As for health insurance, a large percentage of people without insurance are people in their late 20s who opt to not have insurance because they don't want to pay for it. Why are we going to give short sighted people like that a free ride?
it's not "the government". it's PEOPLE taking care of each other and seeing that EACH GENERATION gets the education and care it deserves to both survive and THRIVE in the global market.
I have no problem helping people out who fall on hard times...unfortunately in this country people feel a sense of entitlement therefore the whole idea of people helping others and taking care of the next generation won't work as well, IMO.
I'm not into helping people who dont want to help themselves.
I'm not into paying for people's healthcare and education b/c they are too lazy to get a job and know it doesnt matter b/c the gov't will pay for it. I think our welfare program needs to be revamped before we start paying more tax and handing it out to people. People who are on welfare shouldnt be allowed to lease $70,000 mercedes and BMW's.
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
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I just think that there are a lot of people out there who can't afford the extra couple of hundred dollars a month (if not more) coming out of their paychecks to contribute to health insurance. Then they just hope and pray that they don't need to go to the doctor. 
so how are these same people going to be able to afford paying the HUGE increase in their payroll taxes??
the money has to come from somewhere.
Honestly, I don't have an answer to that. My comment was directed towards the post that commented on the number of 20-somethings who decline to get insurance from their employer and said everyone should be required to sign up for health insurance through their company or their spouse's company. I was giving some insight into why people may choose to not get insurance through their employer. I don't know how they would afford an increase in payroll taxes.
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
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sounds great--- IF they get rid of the 8.65% sales tax we're already paying here on LI. anything more is insane.
I agree.
Here in Australia we pay 10% VAT (it's called GST here). From there the gov't distributes it to the states and territories.
A lot of tax comes out of our income as well, more than the US.
We get healthcare and you can get private healthcare for better coverage as dental is not included in regular healthcare.
I like paying for something and that is the price, no more added taxes when you get to the register. DH is always complaining about it when we go home for a visit.
Things are more expensive here, but that is just because of our location and shipping things here is $$$. We also do make more money with regards to rent etc.
Sydney is a great city to live (if it weren't so far from my family I would stay here permanently) and ranks as #10 in top cities to live in, in the world.
Mercer Quality of Living
The first American city is 29.
correct me if I am wrong but, don't you do a huge amount of shopping when you visit the US? I remember you talking about it quite a bit on the fashion board and saying how everything is really expensive in Australia.
and while I am sure that European countries and Sydney are great places to live, they all enjoy coming to the states for bargains - sans VAT.
Yes I do a lot of shopping when I come over. I stated that things are more expensive previously. Clothing is expensive here. Because we are so far away shipping is $$$. On the other hand some things are cheaper i.e meat, rent, healthcare, education. When I go home I shop for clothes. Personally I would rather have rent, education and healthcare cheaper. Whne you add it up I don't think that is a bad deal. We also do not have a Gap here and I prefer the clothes in the States more.
The last time I went to the US, things weren't that cheap compared to the exchange rate, so I didn't spend much. The price seems to be the same these days.
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
I agree the idea of paying 50+% in taxes is scary, but there was recently an article in the NYTimes that shed a different light on things.
I would love to get $4K for vacation! that sounds great!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/magazine/03european-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&ref=world
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
What I am hearing from both sides arguing this is very simply boiled down to:
1. We have a responsibility as a society to help each other
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2. Let the market take control of it and if you can't or won't chose from the market's options, too bad for you.
Honestly, it will never be that cut and dry and we won't get to an either or situation.
We pay taxes in this country for a variety of reasons. Part of your federal taxes go towards paying for our Military. Anyone have a problem with that? Part of your state taxes go towards funding the TAP (Tuition Assistance Program) Grant to help students in NYS make ends meet as they are trying to better their lives. Anyone have a problem with that? Part of your county taxes go towards keeping our beaches clean and our roads paved. Anyone have a problem with that?
I mean really, are we going to nickle and dime EVERYTHING? That's not reality. If you don't like the VAT idea, fine.
Realistically, it's not going to make it out of Committee in the Senate. But wouldn't you rather have all the possible options on the table for discussion purposes when trying to fix a problem? Yes, we need to get to the roots of our problems, but I'd rather see all possible fixes out there than just try to blow everything else up along the way.
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
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I support it ONLY if we abolish the federal income tax.
Flame suit securely zipped. 
No flame here, I agree 110% because:
--people here illegally still have to purchase things
--people not reporting cash income still have to purchase things
--we can decide what we purchase/how much we want to spend, not have it taken from us bi-weekly, perhaps encouraging more spending.
Overall, I believe the revenue the gov't would receive would be higher with a VAT.
good point about folks who don't pay taxes. They would have to pay taxes and there would be more revenue. It could lower income taxes indirectly in the future if it works.
I do feel taxed beyond belief already. Just completed two years tax returns (don't ask) and we owe a little but our income disqualifies us for certain deductions. (I guess we're rich)
Can we just abolish the IRS?
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
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I have no problem helping people out who fall on hard times...unfortunately in this country people feel a sense of entitlement therefore the whole idea of people helping others and taking care of the next generation won't work as well, IMO.
I'm not into helping people who dont want to help themselves.
I'm not into paying for people's healthcare and education b/c they are too lazy to get a job and know it doesnt matter b/c the gov't will pay for it. I think our welfare program needs to be revamped before we start paying more tax and handing it out to people. People who are on welfare shouldnt be allowed to lease $70,000 mercedes and BMW's.
the welfare system (or at least the medicaid system) would not have to exist anymore if we had a nationalized healthcare system that everyone was entitled to.
you really have to rid yourself of this thought process that there a gazillions of people waiting to take advantage of you. it's not necessarily like that, but it's how we have been programmed to think.
is there fraud..sure. but there is just as much fraud going on with the haves as there is with the have nots, but just on a much LARGER $$ scale. I spend my work days getting back MILLIONS of dolllars of tax payer money. trust me on this.
and please keep in mind..while you'd be paying the VAT, you'd also be SAVING whatever it is that you pay out a month in health insurance (for me, that's about $250 and I WORK for the Fed Govt!!!!  ) plus money you'd spend on education. it ADDS UP.
and perhaps other taxes could be lessened or eliminated. that would be great. I pay them too.
but we have to as a NATION acknowlege that we are falling WAY behind. and if we want to continue being the strong nation we think we are and WERE, we need to do some serious social rethinking.
ftr, I am also a fan of having people who are publicly assisted doing work for the local govts (street cleaning, construction, what have you). I don't think people living off of public assistance should be able to sit around all day either.
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
The problem is that even the introduction of the VAT is no gurantee that you will not have to pay for these government services. Even in the "utopia" that is Europe, every few years there are debates about charging tuition in order to better fund the Universities. Recently, in France there was a proposal to not only charge tuition but also impose a selection process similiar to Universities in the US in order to remain competetive.
So the fact remains, that you may have to pay the VAT AND Tuition - because they are just not funded as well.
With respect to Denmark (as was previously mentioned) one of my good friends moved here from Denmark a year ago and while yes they have socialized healthcare she aslo has supplemental health insurance through her husband's private employer. She says it is especially importnant to her because when her children get sick she can get them in to be seen the same day whereas with the government program she cannot. Obviously this is just the experience of one Dane.
My biggest problem with nationalized healthcare is that because of the competitive market and the potential tax on emplyer benefits it may force all of us into the nationalized system. I, for one, LOVE my insurance. We barely have any out-of-pocket costs. While I agree that everyone is entitled to the same I cannot find a great solution as I also would hat to lose the excellent benefits that I enjoy. In addition, the discussion has centered around results-oriented healthcare which frankly does not appeal to me. If I have a serious illness I want them to try EVERYTHING.
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
Posted by stickydust
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you have very valid points and concerns. I think we all share them.
but I would say that in the very least the option should be explored.
obviously the VAT would not eradicate any other expenditures. there would still be private institutions that one could OPT for.
but I think if the public institutions we currently have (state university etc) becoming free could have a profound effect on how many people attend college in this country.
I think that giving ALL people the option of an adequate health care system is simply a MUST. I don't understand how we as a country could allow such a huge population of our people to remain uncovered.
but I don't see why offering a nationwide option would preclude anyone from also enjoying the option of a private insurer. your employer (or your husbands) could still offer you the same benefits if this program was taken into effect.
at least, that is what I would do if I was in charge.
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
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Posted by jellybean1420
I have no problem helping people out who fall on hard times...unfortunately in this country people feel a sense of entitlement therefore the whole idea of people helping others and taking care of the next generation won't work as well, IMO.
I'm not into helping people who dont want to help themselves.
I'm not into paying for people's healthcare and education b/c they are too lazy to get a job and know it doesnt matter b/c the gov't will pay for it. I think our welfare program needs to be revamped before we start paying more tax and handing it out to people. People who are on welfare shouldnt be allowed to lease $70,000 mercedes and BMW's.
the welfare system (or at least the medicaid system) would not have to exist anymore if we had a nationalized healthcare system that everyone was entitled to.
you really have to rid yourself of this thought process that there a gazillions of people waiting to take advantage of you. it's not necessarily like that, but it's how we have been programmed to think.
is there fraud..sure. but there is just as much fraud going on with the haves as there is with the have nots, but just on a much LARGER $$ scale. I spend my work days getting back MILLIONS of dolllars of tax payer money. trust me on this.
and please keep in mind..while you'd be paying the VAT, you'd also be SAVING whatever it is that you pay out a month in health insurance (for me, that's about $250 and I WORK for the Fed Govt!!!! ) plus money you'd spend on education. it ADDS UP.
and perhaps other taxes could be lessened or eliminated. that would be great. I pay them too.
but we have to as a NATION acknowlege that we are falling WAY behind. and if we want to continue being the strong nation we think we are and WERE, we need to do some serious social rethinking.
ftr, I am also a fan of having people who are publicly assisted doing work for the local govts (street cleaning, construction, what have you). I don't think people living off of public assistance should be able to sit around all day either.
Jess, I agree with you. I think there is a misconception about public assistance. Most struggle to even get it. It took my brother who is disabled 8 months to get a medicaid waiver for TBI. The amount of paperwork and people who had to verify everything was astounding. If he has to go into a public facility or living program all of his money will be taken to pay for it. You have to be broke to qualify. Really broke. The numbers are so low, no one could make it. When folks say they want the programs revamped they really have no idea what's going on. They think people are living large on their dime. Most aren't.
They need to be revamped in the other direction and maybe a gov't sponsored health program will help millions stave off bankruptcy and having to go on welfare and medicaid.
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
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Also, don't knock socialised health care until you have had an emergency operation and stay in hospital and walk away without paying a penny. I wouldn't move back to the states now that I have been a part of a country with socialised health care. Its the greatest thing since sliced bread!!!!
I think this is a VERY rosy picture of socialized healtcare.
My biggest concern is that a national healthcare system would destroy the incentive for medical research. I have a friend in the UK who is 23 with a brain tumor and had to raise $200k to come over to the US for advanced treatment. Because of the socialized system, there are no incentives for pharmaceutical/medical companies to come up with and provide the most cutting edge treatment like in the U.S.
Another concern is that if the gov't takes control of the healthcare system they will pay rockbottom prices to doctors which will greatly reduce doctor salaries and not attract the "best and brightest".
Sure, poorer people should get some assistance with their health care costs. And yes, reforms need to happen. I just don't think a full-fledge socialized system is right for this country.
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
Posted by melbalalala
I think this is a VERY rosy picture of socialized healtcare.
My biggest concern is that a national healthcare system would destroy the incentive for medical research. I have a friend in the UK who is 23 with a brain tumor and had to raise $200k to come over to the US for advanced treatment. Because of the socialized system, there are no incentives for pharmaceutical/medical companies to come up with and provide the most cutting edge treatment like in the U.S.
this says more about our supposed HEALTH CARE providers than anything else.
besides, there are people in this country, WITH insurance that are still clobbered with medical bills for the same reasons. it's not like our system is awesome and we want to rip it down.
Posted by melbalalala
Another concern is that if the gov't takes control of the healthcare system they will pay rockbottom prices to doctors which will greatly reduce doctor salaries and not attract the "best and brightest".
have you looked at a recent EOB or have you seen the reimbursement rate for Medicare and most HMO plans.
they aren't making enough money anyway. add that to the astronomical cost of mal practice insurance PLUS the huge expense of becoming a doctor and it's already barely cost effective.
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
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I think this is a VERY rosy picture of socialized healtcare.
My biggest concern is that a national healthcare system would destroy the incentive for medical research. I have a friend in the UK who is 23 with a brain tumor and had to raise $200k to come over to the US for advanced treatment. Because of the socialized system, there are no incentives for pharmaceutical/medical companies to come up with and provide the most cutting edge treatment like in the U.S.
this says more about our supposed HEALTH CARE providers than anything else.
besides, there are people in this country, WITH insurance that are still clobbered with medical bills for the same reasons. it's not like our system is awesome and we want to rip it down.
Posted by melbalalala
Another concern is that if the gov't takes control of the healthcare system they will pay rockbottom prices to doctors which will greatly reduce doctor salaries and not attract the "best and brightest".
have you looked at a recent EOB or have you seen the reimbursement rate for Medicare and most HMO plans.
they aren't making enough money anyway. add that to the astronomical cost of mal practice insurance PLUS the huge expense of becoming a doctor and it's already barely cost effective.
Oh I agree, and the rates from Medicare and HMO plans are already threatening to bring the quality of medical school applicants down (along with malpractice insurance). A socialized system will only make this worse.
Our system is definitely NOT awesome, and high-tech specialized treatments cost a pretty penny even to well-insured patients. My point was, that in the UK this treatment didnt even EXIST because there was no incentive by the medical research community to invent it or provide it to patients.
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
Posted by melbalalala
[I think this is a VERY rosy picture of socialized healtcare.
My biggest concern is that a national healthcare system would destroy the incentive for medical research. I have a friend in the UK who is 23 with a brain tumor and had to raise $200k to come over to the US for advanced treatment. Because of the socialized system, there are no incentives for pharmaceutical/medical companies to come up with and provide the most cutting edge treatment like in the U.S.
A friend of mine was told by her insurance company that her son's diagnosis of leukemia was not treatable, that he wouldn't live and therefore they had to raise $250K to take him to St Jude's. 5 years later he is cancer free! It happens here on LI as well!
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
I have a rosy picture of the National Health Service because myself, my friends and family, and pretty much everyone I personally know have had pretty bloody good experiences on the NHS. I am in no way insinuating that the NHS is a perfect service, or that the NHS can save everyones life, or that a nationalised health service is the answer to the worlds problems. All I can speak of is my own experiences. One thing that makes me sound a big sigh of relief is the fact that I am about to lose my job, and I don't have to worry about how I am going to pay my health insurance, my retired in laws don't have to pay huge premiums and co-pays for any problems that they might have.
I am also proud of the fact that I can help out other people by my NHS contribution. I can only speak about my experiences. In march I had a horrible miscarriage very late in my pregnancy, and the care I received was wonderful, and efficient...and I walked out without a bill, co-pay or prescription to pay for.
(I am so not political...too late now)
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
I have really good insurance and I still am out of pocket about $3k ytd. In addition I pay about $250 a month for DH and I for premiums. I have a chronic condition.
$6k so far (and the year isn't over). I would GLADLY pay half of that if it helped others. I can't deduct my medical expenses because it doesn't reach the level for doing that. Yes, most of the money out of pocket is pre-tax but it's still money out of my pocket.
I hope that sounds right. It's Friday and I'm fried.
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
those who live in countries with socialized healthcare and have had it for many decades, cannot be compared with implementing something so complex in a country with many times it's population.
Medicare / Medicaid are a cluster with miles upon miles of red tape, and only 44 million Americans are in those Gov't run programs. that's 1/6th of our population - of documented US citizens. this doesn't include the millions and millions of illegals.
Abundance of social programs are working out really well in CA
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
Posted by racheeeee
I have a rosy picture of the National Health Service because myself, my friends and family, and pretty much everyone I personally know have had pretty bloody good experiences on the NHS. I am in no way insinuating that the NHS is a perfect service, or that the NHS can save everyones life, or that a nationalised health service is the answer to the worlds problems. All I can speak of is my own experiences. One thing that makes me sound a big sigh of relief is the fact that I am about to lose my job, and I don't have to worry about how I am going to pay my health insurance, my retired in laws don't have to pay huge premiums and co-pays for any problems that they might have.
I am also proud of the fact that I can help out other people by my NHS contribution. I can only speak about my experiences. In march I had a horrible miscarriage very late in my pregnancy, and the care I received was wonderful, and efficient...and I walked out without a bill, co-pay or prescription to pay for.
(I am so not political...too late now)
I'm very sorry about your miscarriage but very glad to hear you CAN receive good care in a crisis situation on this type of insurance
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
those who live in countries with socialized healthcare and have had it for many decades, cannot be compared with implementing something so complex in a country with many times it's population.
Medicare / Medicaid are a cluster with miles upon miles of red tape, and only 44 million Americans are in those Gov't run programs. that's 1/6th of our population - of documented US citizens. this doesn't include the millions and millions of illegals.
Abundance of social programs are working out really well in CA
Do you not think its worth trying though? How can we continue to call ourselves the greatest nation in the world (I HATE this phrase but...) and not at least attempt to care for our citizens the way most westernized countries do?
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
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Posted by SweetestOfPeas
those who live in countries with socialized healthcare and have had it for many decades, cannot be compared with implementing something so complex in a country with many times it's population.
Medicare / Medicaid are a cluster with miles upon miles of red tape, and only 44 million Americans are in those Gov't run programs. that's 1/6th of our population - of documented US citizens. this doesn't include the millions and millions of illegals.
Abundance of social programs are working out really well in CA
Do you not think its worth trying though? How can we continue to call ourselves the greatest nation in the world (I HATE this phrase but...) and not at least attempt to care for our citizens the way most westernized countries do?
how about the Gov't fix social security first, before embarking on another social program that will tax Americans into oblivion? 
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
those who live in countries with socialized healthcare and have had it for many decades, cannot be compared with implementing something so complex in a country with many times it's population.
Medicare / Medicaid are a cluster with miles upon miles of red tape, and only 44 million Americans are in those Gov't run programs. that's 1/6th of our population - of documented US citizens. this doesn't include the millions and millions of illegals.
Abundance of social programs are working out really well in CA
Do you not think its worth trying though? How can we continue to call ourselves the greatest nation in the world (I HATE this phrase but...) and not at least attempt to care for our citizens the way most westernized countries do?
how about the Gov't fix social security first, before embarking on another social program that will tax Americans into oblivion?
I think this is good idea but SS reform won't help citizens under 65. We should be taking care of all of our citizens not just the very young and very old
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| Posted 5/29/09 10:19 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
J'taime Paris!
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
those who live in countries with socialized healthcare and have had it for many decades, cannot be compared with implementing something so complex in a country with many times it's population.
Medicare / Medicaid are a cluster with miles upon miles of red tape, and only 44 million Americans are in those Gov't run programs. that's 1/6th of our population - of documented US citizens. this doesn't include the millions and millions of illegals.
Abundance of social programs are working out really well in CA
Do you not think its worth trying though? How can we continue to call ourselves the greatest nation in the world (I HATE this phrase but...) and not at least attempt to care for our citizens the way most westernized countries do?
how about the Gov't fix social security first, before embarking on another social program that will tax Americans into oblivion?
I think this is good idea but SS reform won't help citizens under 65. We should be taking care of all of our citizens not just the very young and very old
I've been paying into SS for over 20 years - what will I have to show for it when I am elligible? probably nothing. so now that my 401k is worthless, I have taken care of the older generation while I will be living in a box. not only will I have taken care of the older generation, but I will have taken care of illegals who are getting benfits!
so pardon me for being skeptical that the Gov't is going to "take care of me".
no thanks - I'll take care of myself.
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| Posted 5/29/09 10:26 PM |
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Blu-ize
Plan B is Now Plan A
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Re: how do you feel about a national sales tax on top of regular sales tax
Just curious. How should we fix these programs?
SS? Taking it away from people now so there's something left for us?
Medicaid, lowering the limits on who gets it? (by the way, medicaid has many different departments) The biggest one is nursing home coverage for our elderly who cant live on their own, have medical needs and dementia and have no family to take care of them. Nursing home costs are astronomical. Should we take away this program and throw our grandparents out on the street or better yet, pull the plug? (yeah, flame away). How should we fix that problem? Not easy right? At least there's something in place as messed up as it seems to take care of people.
What about the folks who are sandwiched..the ones who don't qualify for medicare but have no insurance? Screw them?
I think talk is cheap. I think these programs are necessary from first hand experience. The programs need attention for sure but they are necessary.
I also think nationalizing healthcare will change the face of private insurance for the good. It will create competition.
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| Posted 5/31/09 9:39 AM |
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