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sfp0701
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If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
working in a Long Island school, 10 years into her/his career (keep in mind that, in my district at least, in order to get that 10 year salary level you have to have 90 credits beyond your undergrad degree- the equivalent of 2 Master's Degrees)?
Everyone is complaining about teachers making so much money. What do you think is an appropriate salary?
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emilylives
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I'm not a teacher, and neither is anyone in my family, but I think that it should be over $100,000 without a doubt (and not just in LI, but everywhere).
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| Posted 2/19/11 8:31 AM |
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MissJones
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I'm a NYC teacher and I think 70-80 is fair.
For the person who picked 50-60...ouch! Considering starting is about 40K, that's not much of an increase for 10 years experience and extra coursework.
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| Posted 2/19/11 8:34 AM |
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sfp0701
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by MissJones
I'm a NYC teacher and I think 70-80 is fair.
For the person who picked 50-60...ouch! Considering starting is about 40K, that's not much of an increase for 10 years experience and extra coursework.
I agree.. 50-60 is pretty low!
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| Posted 2/19/11 8:35 AM |
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by MissJones
I'm a NYC teacher and I think 70-80 is fair.
Same- FYI, a teacher in NYC with 15 years, Masters plus 30, will make about $80k.
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| Posted 2/19/11 8:45 AM |
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ChrisDee
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I have to say, I have found that there are a FEW people complaining about teachers salaries. I think people are having more of an issue with the higher ups. Also it seems to me from reading that very long thread, people are saying that given the the state of the economy, pay freezes are in order. Also paying into your benefits/retirement. I think teachers deserve a good salary. When you are taking into account the salary compared to other jobs, you also have to consider how many days a year each person works. I know teachers do not like to hear that but it is what it is. My DD is in 4th grade and so far she has been blessed with some amazing teachers. I think they deserve what they make.
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| Posted 2/19/11 8:45 AM |
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drpepper318
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I used to be a teacher (really rough NYC school, though granted it's somewhat different from the working conditions in most districts on LI which I'm not too familiar with) but DAMNNNNNN that was a hard, draining, exhausting job!!!! I never would have known how difficult it was until I did it (for several years) & I definitely think most teachers are underpaid. Plus all the professional development & years of coursework that need to be done to maintain certification now that they don't have permanent certification anymore. Plus with 10 years of experience? I would choose on the higher end of your poll.
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| Posted 2/19/11 8:52 AM |
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MissJones
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Just as a little reminder for those who think 50K or less, you need a bachelors AND a masters degree to become a teacher. Plus, newly certified teachers (after 2004) must continue to take education courses. I'm sorry, but for all of that required education AND 10 years experience, less than 50K is a slap in the face. 
When did teaching lose respect as a profession? 
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| Posted 2/19/11 8:56 AM |
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emilylives
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by MissJones
Just as a little reminder for those who think 50K or less, you need a bachelors AND a masters degree to become a teacher. Plus, newly certified teachers (after 2004) must continue to take education courses. I'm sorry, but for all of that required education AND 10 years experience, less than 50K is a slap in the face.
When did teaching lose respect as a profession?
Exactly. Don't know when it happened, but the consequences are clear when you look at our education system compared to many other countries.
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| Posted 2/19/11 8:59 AM |
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sfp0701
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by ChrisDee
I have to say, I have found that there are a FEW people complaining about teachers salaries. I think people are having more of an issue with the higher ups. Also it seems to me from reading that very long thread, people are saying that given the the state of the economy, pay freezes are in order. Also paying into your benefits/retirement. I think teachers deserve a good salary. When you are taking into account the salary compared to other jobs, you also have to consider how many days a year each person works. I know teachers do not like to hear that but it is what it is. My DD is in 4th grade and so far she has been blessed with some amazing teachers. I think they deserve what they make.
I know that on that thread people were complaining about higher ups. I really wasn't posting this just in response to that thread. This is just in response to the general discussions that are going on everywhere I go lately.
I agree that there should be no raises. I would be shocked if we got one with the next contract. HOWEVER, I disagree that pay should be entirely frozen. If I reach my 10 year point and I have finished the coursework I expect to get my level movement. And in reality.. by that point you are at your fourth level movement (about 10,000 per level, for my district) which is pretty in line with what most people who are climbing the career ladder get in the first 10-15 years they are working. My DH has more than doubled from his starting salary 10 years ago and he is in the private sector. He isn't in finance either.
And keep in mind.. that is ONLY if you do the coursework. I will reach level 4 in 10 years but, honestly.. most people don't. It's A LOT of coursework and it's college credits that are expensive!
ETA: I do pay into my benifits. In fact the amount that we pay was increased so much that the small raise I got in the last few years was totally eaten up by the increased cost of my benifits. I wasn't aware that teachers are not paying into benifits anywhere?? Plus I DO pay into my pension!! And my 403B!!
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| Posted 2/19/11 9:01 AM |
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sfp0701
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by MissJones
Just as a little reminder for those who think 50K or less, you need a bachelors AND a masters degree to become a teacher. Plus, newly certified teachers (after 2004) must continue to take education courses. I'm sorry, but for all of that required education AND 10 years experience, less than 50K is a slap in the face.
When did teaching lose respect as a profession?
I know.. I am shocked that someone thinks that!
Also, for some people, like me who are SLP's in a school but, get paid as a teacher we have continuing ed anyway.. even before 2004!
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| Posted 2/19/11 9:05 AM |
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jasmine
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I voted 80-90 but was between that and 90+. I just think that if they get paid that much it should be without a pension.
With a pension my vote would be lower.
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| Posted 2/19/11 9:08 AM |
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jasmine
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by ChrisDee
When you are taking into account the salary compared to other jobs, you also have to consider how many days a year each person works. I know teachers do not like to hear that but it is what it is.
I agree with this as well
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| Posted 2/19/11 9:09 AM |
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shadows
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
For starters, in general, I think NYC teachers should be paid more than LI teachers.
I also think it should depend on what you teach. I do not think an elementary school gym teacher or an art teacher should make anywhere near what an AP chemistry or calculus teacher makes. (Does teacher salary vary by what subject they teach? I don't know the answer to that.)
As always, jmo!
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sasha96
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by sfp0701
Posted by MissJones
Just as a little reminder for those who think 50K or less, you need a bachelors AND a masters degree to become a teacher. Plus, newly certified teachers (after 2004) must continue to take education courses. I'm sorry, but for all of that required education AND 10 years experience, less than 50K is a slap in the face.
When did teaching lose respect as a profession?
I know.. I am shocked that someone thinks that!
Also, for some people, like me who are SLP's in a school but, get paid as a teacher we have continuing ed anyway.. even before 2004!
And we SLPs don't get a stipend for all the Medicaid we do, even though SLPs bring in about 90% of a district's Medicaid funds! Plus, we the districts don't cover our license fees, though they use our licenses to cover that Medicaid!
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| Posted 2/19/11 9:11 AM |
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BriBri2u
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Considering teachers play such a huge and important role in shaping our children's future, they should be paid at a minimum $80,000 after 10 years.
I also feel like they should be compensated even more for exceptional performance.
That way you give them an incentive to teach our/your children as best as they can and our children get taught by outstanding and educated people.
I will never understand how so many people say teachers don't deserve more $$ because they work "short days" and have "the summers off".
Most of the teachers I know in IRL have a passion for their line of work and the children they teach. It makes me sad to hear people say they should make less.
Teachers (the good ones) should be compensated properly. The future of our country is in their hands - that should be more than enough reason to have them paid properly.
ETA: I'm not a teacher BTW but I have plenty of great friends and family who are.
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| Posted 2/19/11 9:11 AM |
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sfp0701
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by shadows
For starters, in general, I think NYC teachers should be paid more than LI teachers.
I also think it should depend on what you teach. I do not think an elementary school gym teacher or an art teacher should make anywhere near what an AP chemistry or calculus teacher makes. (Does teacher salary vary by what subject they teach? I don't know the answer to that.)
As always, jmo!
Not in my district. I can't understand why it would. You still do lesson plans, teach classes and pay the same for your education. Why would you be paid less? All of these subjects create a well rounded student. Would you argue that schools should not have gym and art? I would hate to see the school that didn't encourage physical fitness!!
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sfp0701
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by sasha96
Posted by sfp0701
Posted by MissJones
Just as a little reminder for those who think 50K or less, you need a bachelors AND a masters degree to become a teacher. Plus, newly certified teachers (after 2004) must continue to take education courses. I'm sorry, but for all of that required education AND 10 years experience, less than 50K is a slap in the face.
When did teaching lose respect as a profession?
I know.. I am shocked that someone thinks that!
Also, for some people, like me who are SLP's in a school but, get paid as a teacher we have continuing ed anyway.. even before 2004!
And we SLPs don't get a stipend for all the Medicaid we do, even though SLPs bring in about 90% of a district's Medicaid funds! Plus, we the districts don't cover our license fees, though they use our licenses to cover that Medicaid!
Don't even get me started on Medicaid!! I pay 750$ every two years whereas a teacher pays nothing. I bring in a ton of $ and the only thanks I get is a threat that If I make one mistake on my 3,000 notes a year I will get brought up on charges.
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jgl
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I am a teacher in NYC.
My brother works on LI ( fewer years than me, same amount of schooling) and makes way more than I do. Has many opportunities to make more money as well (after school, chaperone for trips, school trips)
I think we deserve a good salary 70 range because we work hard. Yes we have a lot of days off but we bring a lot of work home.
I dont know what the answer is, but IMO they need to get rid of salary increases for credits earned. I think we should continue to get increases for years in. I have worked in schools on LI who provide classes (free) to teachers after school that count towards their 30 and above. That to me is ridiculous. The district is paying to have someone come teach the class and then costing themselves more money to now increase these teacher's salaries.
I also feel like every teacher I know is going back for their admin (doctorate) degree and working as a classroom teacher.
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| Posted 2/19/11 9:16 AM |
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sarahbelle
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by shadows
For starters, in general, I think NYC teachers should be paid more than LI teachers.
I also think it should depend on what you teach. I do not think an elementary school gym teacher or an art teacher should make anywhere near what an AP chemistry or calculus teacher makes. (Does teacher salary vary by what subject they teach? I don't know the answer to that.)
As always, jmo!
Teacher salary does not vary depending on the subject. But I'd like to add that, at least in my building (NYC), every teacher, gym, art, etc, teaches a class during the literacy block. They are assigned to work with students who need intensive academic intervention and their duties go beyond teaching gym and art.
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DiamondGirl
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I am in my 7th yras a NYC guidance counselor and I currently make $74,683 (that is w/ a 60 credit masters).
If the contract does not change (which is should since it is outdated by 2 yrs) @ 10 yrs I will be making $84,200. I wlll stay there for three years and my next raise will be @ 13 yrs and I will make $85,062.
Top salary is 22 yrs and is currently $102,852 for a guidance counselor. (Guidance makes a cple thousand more a yr then teachers as our school day is longer).
I think this is fair. I think it is a good salary. I work my *** off. I am in a school of 1200 kids and there are two counselors. I stay late, come early, stay for every dance, PTA meeting etc.
I am sick and tired of people saying educators make too much. We are working every day with YOUR children. What type of people do you think you can retain if the pay is not decent? Don't you want well educated, SMART people educating your kids? Well that comes at price my friends.
I am no fool. I love working with kids but I also like the security, the pension, the benefits, the time off. I am a smart cookie who could have choosen a lot of professions. Keep taking things away from teachers and your kids will suffer bc the quality of the educator will diminish. Period.
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jgl
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by sasha96
And we SLPs don't get a stipend for all the Medicaid we do, even though SLPs bring in about 90% of a district's Medicaid funds! Plus, we the districts don't cover our license fees, though they use our licenses to cover that Medicaid!
This is the fight my husband and his collegues (all school psychologists) are having. How dare they use their license to make money. They didnt bust their @ss to put their license on the line for the school. They arent required to even have a license
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| Posted 2/19/11 9:20 AM |
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sfp0701
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by jgl
I am a teacher in NYC.
My brother works on LI ( fewer years than me, same amount of schooling) and makes way more than I do. Has many opportunities to make more money as well (after school, chaperone for trips, school trips)
I think we deserve a good salary 70 range because we work hard. Yes we have a lot of days off but we bring a lot of work home.
I dont know what the answer is, but IMO they need to get rid of salary increases for credits earned. I think we should continue to get increases for years in. I have worked in schools on LI who provide classes (free) to teachers after school that count towards their 30 and above. That to me is ridiculous. The district is paying to have someone come teach the class and then costing themselves more money to now increase these teacher's salaries.
I also feel like every teacher I know is going back for their admin (doctorate) degree and working as a classroom teacher.
I would love to work for a district that gave me free classes! Mine is pretty strict on approving coursework and will deny anything they can. Also, if you do a second master's you can do the intership portion on your lunch/prep or during summer school but, then you can't use those credits for your salary advancement. I pay a ton for my credits!
We don't get any salary advancement at all for years in. At all. We have levels. Each level is based on a certain years in AND credits taken. If you don't take the credits you can't get the level movement. For me, I have the next oppurtunity to level at 10 years (in fact that is our last level) but, I have to have 90 credits beyond my undergrad degree. After that level you can get 1,500$ (I think) for every 12 credits you take. So, if you think about 3 credits costing 2-3,00$..that's a lot of money for 1,500$!!
I can only speak for my district though.
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| Posted 2/19/11 9:22 AM |
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queensgal
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I think people mostly feel like some of the administrators and office people make way too much, not the actual teachers.
Honestly, I think some of the education requirements are overstated - do you really need that much education to teach kindergarten? I have some friends that get their masters+ credits by taking a 1 day online course - that's right my friend received 6 college credits during her spring break - to me that is BS. It didn't make her a good teacher but she did it just to get the raise. I don't blame her, I blame the system that doesn't reward efforts/results and treats everyone the same.
I don't receive any extra salary for my additional certifications/education. I need to use that knowledge/skill in my work performance and get rewarded that way.
In answer to your poll, I think the bad teachers don't deserve anything and should be fired. I'm talking about the teachers who don't do their job. The good teachers deserve a reward - so if you do take legit coursework that improves your skill you should get a raise. If you are above and beyond and are a great teacher, then you should make 80-90-100+. but the teachers I had in high school that literally read the newspaper instead of teaching, should not receive the same pay.
I think one thing teachers need to be aware of is the cost non-unionized employees pay for things like healthcare, retirement, etc. When looking at your "pay" you have to factor in the benefit of a pension, etc. It's not an apples to apples comparison with non-union salaries.
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| Posted 2/19/11 9:27 AM |
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rojerono
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Well I'm thinking standard salary for someone with a degree in their first year would be somewhere around.. $40,000? So after 10 years - with 5% salary bumps each year it would be a little over 65,000 with 4 weeks vacation plus benefits. When you factor in some standard bonuses and bumps for good performance I think 80,000 plus WAY more than the standard vacation should be fair. Better teachers - ones with commendations, those who go above and beyond, ones who show exceptional dedication to the job - would clearly make more.
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