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SlurpeeDad
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by MrsProfessor
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80,000 at the absolute lowest but ideally 90 plus. How are we going to get quality educators if we don't pay properly !!??
How are we going to get quality educators if they are in it for the money?
How are we going to get quality educators if we aren't willing to pay them?
Teachers ARE NOT MISSIONARIES.
This is what kills me- we b!tch and moan about how our kids are so far behind Finland, China, etc, then we complain that they make too much.
There is also no way you can compare private school to public- parents who pay for private school are going to make sure they make the most from their investment. Also, private schools can kick kids out. It would be mind-boggling how much more I could do with my students if I could remove the 2-3 kids who cause 90% of the disruptions. But they, unfortunately, have rights, as their parents like to remind me when I make them come to school.
I agree, teachers should be paid. They should make as much money as humanly possible, but in tough times somethings have to change. That is my point, and I am sorry for my comment.
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lululu
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
This is a little off topic but for those of you that are teachers, do you really think that having so much schooling make you a better teacher? My thought is really that masters plus 90 credits is very excessive. I think that the OOP money teachers are expected to spend on education and supplies is ridiculous. Districts or counties or the state should provide continuing Ed to teachers and teachers should be given a reasonable budget for supplies. I feel like teachers wouldn't mind making a little less if they weren't so bogged down with all of the extra time and money they need to spend on their own education, and i feel like the quality Of the teaching would remain the same.
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jana
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by jgl
ETA: I worry everyday I go home about my kids. I worry they are ok. I worry about something they may have told me about home. I worry that they are not progressing fast enough and it will look bad on me. I wory if I should havve spoken to the parents more than I did. The most stressful part of this job is that you are responsibile for the success of kids. There is only so much I can do. If I was responsiblie for myown success that would be different but my success depends on 28+ kids and factor in lotsof variables!
In NYC teachers are on their own. We dont often get the help of admin, psychologists or guidance, because they are busier than we are.
I don't think anyone should get paid less than 50K for a job requiring a masters and for the person to be able to apply what they have learned.
Too much stress to bear on one person. Parents & teachers should both be responsible for the childs education.
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Xelindrya
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
90k plus?!?!?! WOW
ETA: I wanted to be a teacher. I love math and science to the point of silliness. I love helping others 'get it' as well. Even in HS I was tutoring middle school kids and HS friends and I loved it. I still get a mini-high when doing math and showing a coworker why the numbers 'work'. But the investment vs pay out $$ did not make sense to me. Sad but true. Plus its so danged politically tied and seems like there's always budget issues, lay offs, fights, strikes, etc. That's before you even THINK about the students which is another ball of wax I'm sure.
I still say in my older years if I can I'll quit my job and be a teacher. ha! the old Science Lady
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jana
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by lululu
This is a little off topic but for those of you that are teachers, do you really think that having so much schooling make you a better teacher? My thought is really that masters plus 90 credits is very excessive. I think that the OOP money teachers are expected to spend on education and supplies is ridiculous. Districts or counties or the state should provide continuing Ed to teachers and teachers should be given a reasonable budget for supplies. I feel like teachers wouldn't mind making a little less if they weren't so bogged down with all of the extra time and money they need to spend on their own education, and i feel like the quality Of the teaching would remain the same.
Ding,Ding,Ding.
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brownie
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I think it should be based on subject taught, and merit based to some degree
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Goldi0218
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by lululu
This is a little off topic but for those of you that are teachers, do you really think that having so much schooling make you a better teacher? My thought is really that masters plus 90 credits is very excessive. I think that the OOP money teachers are expected to spend on education and supplies is ridiculous. Districts or counties or the state should provide continuing Ed to teachers and teachers should be given a reasonable budget for supplies. I feel like teachers wouldn't mind making a little less if they weren't so bogged down with all of the extra time and money they need to spend on their own education, and i feel like the quality Of the teaching would remain the same.
Speaking as someone who completed her graduate studies and has been permanently certified under the OLD rules since 1998, I can honestly say that no amount of classroom prep in college could EVER have prepared me for the population of children I work with. Only being in the throes of it has.
I teach special education in a psych day treatment center and my salary doesn't come CLOSE to my public school counterparts who work on LI or for the DOE. Most people  when I tell them WHERE I work, who I serve and the assume I make more because of who I serve (which is ridiculous).
Im not in it for the money. I do it because it is natural for me. It is what I know. All grad school really did for me is teach me the format of a lesson plan and an IEP. Other than that, it was hands-on.
ETA: I should also add that even though I am not in the public sector, we are still required to participate in professional in-services.
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| Posted 2/19/11 11:41 AM |
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stickydust
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I do not have a problem with what teachers earn as it pertains to salary. I think they are professionals and deserve a fair salary just like anyone else.
My problem lies with pensions. i think pensions are a relic of the past. I could see the neccesity of a pension if you are only making $50K or something that would not allow you to save for your retirement.
However, I feel like for the salary that teacher on LI make (which they deserve) a pension is unjustified especially considering what it costs the taxpayer and especially in light of the fact that no private sector emplyee gets them anymore.
I really feel that pensions are what is draining our system and even some private companies who although they nolonger offer them are still paying pensions for their former emplyees.
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| Posted 2/19/11 11:44 AM |
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by jana
Posted by lululu
This is a little off topic but for those of you that are teachers, do you really think that having so much schooling make you a better teacher? My thought is really that masters plus 90 credits is very excessive. I think that the OOP money teachers are expected to spend on education and supplies is ridiculous. Districts or counties or the state should provide continuing Ed to teachers and teachers should be given a reasonable budget for supplies. I feel like teachers wouldn't mind making a little less if they weren't so bogged down with all of the extra time and money they need to spend on their own education, and i feel like the quality Of the teaching would remain the same.
Ding,Ding,Ding.
On the one hand, it's a lot, and having been there myself, I took whatever classes were needed to get to my MA+30 till I got a second masters and used about half those credits. NYC maxes out at 30 above.
However, things change in education and I think continuing ed is very important. Personally, I go to workshops and do things through my school, but I refuse to shell out money for grad classes if I'm not going to get any return on my own investment of time and money. But I also didn't know that classes towards differentials were sometimes free.
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MegZee
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Less than 50k!? Seriously?
These past few days has made me realize how underappreciated our educators are.
I would say 80k after 10 yrs is fair.
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brownie
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Why not base it partially on subject....why are people who go into math and science compensated for in the private sector, but not in education?
Oh wait, I know why...Unions would never allow this
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jasmine
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by stickydust
I do not have a problem with what teachers earn as it pertains to salary. I think they are professionals and deserve a fair salary just like anyone else.
My problem lies with pensions. i think pensions are a relic of the past. I could see the neccesity of a pension if you are only making $50K or something that would not allow you to save for your retirement.
However, I feel like for the salary that teacher on LI make (which they deserve) a pension is unjustified especially considering what it costs the taxpayer and especially in light of the fact that no private sector emplyee gets them anymore.
I really feel that pensions are what is draining our system and even some private companies who although they nolonger offer them are still paying pensions for their former emplyees.
I agree. I think that pensions are unjustified with the high salaries. If pay was lower I would think they were warranted, but at 80/90k++ a year they are draining the system and are overkill
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by BriBri2u
Considering teachers play such a huge and important role in shaping our children's future, they should be paid at a minimum $80,000 after 10 years.
I also feel like they should be compensated even more for exceptional performance.
That way you give them an incentive to teach our/your children as best as they can and our children get taught by outstanding and educated people.
I will never understand how so many people say teachers don't deserve more $$ because they work "short days" and have "the summers off".
Most of the teachers I know in IRL have a passion for their line of work and the children they teach. It makes me sad to hear people say they should make less.
Teachers (the good ones) should be compensated properly. The future of our country is in their hands - that should be more than enough reason to have them paid properly.
ETA: I'm not a teacher BTW but I have plenty of great friends and family who are.
Just wanted to say THANK YOU for your post. As a teacher, I feel that we are constantly bashed for everything we do. I take my job very seriously and put a great amount of time and effort into my work. I work my a#$ off everyday to deal with a lot more than anyone that hasn't worked in a school could ever understand.
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brownie
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by WishingforBaby
Posted by BriBri2u
Considering teachers play such a huge and important role in shaping our children's future, they should be paid at a minimum $80,000 after 10 years.
I also feel like they should be compensated even more for exceptional performance.
That way you give them an incentive to teach our/your children as best as they can and our children get taught by outstanding and educated people.
I will never understand how so many people say teachers don't deserve more $$ because they work "short days" and have "the summers off".
Most of the teachers I know in IRL have a passion for their line of work and the children they teach. It makes me sad to hear people say they should make less.
Teachers (the good ones) should be compensated properly. The future of our country is in their hands - that should be more than enough reason to have them paid properly.
ETA: I'm not a teacher BTW but I have plenty of great friends and family who are.
Just wanted to say THANK YOU for your post. As a teacher, I feel that we are constantly bashed for everything we do. I take my job very seriously and put a great amount of time and effort into my work. I work my a#$ off everyday to deal with a lot more than anyone that hasn't worked in a school could ever understand.
ITA with this too....unions won't allow this to happen though! They are totally against merit pay...and who suffers from all of this, students 
Teachers should be seen as capital in this country...and a large part of reason why they are not is because of the union undermining them
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
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I think it should be based on subject taught, and merit based to some degree
Seriously?!?! So, a person teaching 5 periods a day of the same subject area, same lesson should be paid more than an elementary teacher that is teaching 6 periods a day and a different lesson every period?
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brownie
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
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I think it should be based on subject taught, and merit based to some degree
Seriously?!?! So, a person teaching 5 periods a day of the same subject area, same lesson should be paid more than an elementary teacher that is teaching 6 periods a day and a different lesson every period?
I think the elementary system needs to be changed, so each subject is actually being taught, a teacher for each subject comes into the room to teach their "specialty". In NYS, many times science is not even taught or barely taught because of the emphasis on the ELA and math tests....so yes, subjects should count. A PE teacher shouldn't be paid the same as a science teacher.
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nrthshgrl
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I couldn't even begin to calculate a salary without factoring in the pensions, the vacations, the # of days/hours worked & other benefits.
I was leaning toward 80-90K as a total package plus health insurance.
Also, are they entitled unemployment during the 9 week summer?
Ideally I would like to see higher salaries in the poorer/more dangerous districts but I don't see how that would happen.
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I really have no clue - I have absolutely zero experience with the world of teaching, or how hard it is...so I can't make an informed opinion.
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| Posted 2/19/11 12:35 PM |
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KarenG2003
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Here is MY reply:
PLEASE READ: Aren't You Sick of Those high paid teachers? Their hefty salaries, are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things into perspective and pay them for what they do...babysit! We can get that for less than minimum wage. That's right I would give them $3 an hour and only for the hours they worked...none of that silly planning time! That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 am to 4:00 pm and 45 min off for lunch.) Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to ba4by-sit their children. Now how many do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 students=$585 a day. Now remember, they only work 180 days in a year! I am not going to pay them for vacations! Let's see that's $585 x 180 days=$105,300 per year (Hold on my calculator must need batteries!) What about those teachers with Master's Degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage just to be fair, round it off to $7 an hour. That would be $7 x 6 1/2 hours x 30 children x 180 days= $245,700 a year.
Not saying we (teachers) should make $246,000, but I am saying that people who think we make too much money should think again!
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nov04libride
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by nrthshgrl
Also, are they entitled unemployment during the 9 week summer?
No, but you can request that your paychecks be divided equally throughout the year, so you may be paid throughout the summer.
Teachers can also teach summer school and bring in nearly $10,000 more.
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
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I think it should be based on subject taught, and merit based to some degree
Seriously?!?! So, a person teaching 5 periods a day of the same subject area, same lesson should be paid more than an elementary teacher that is teaching 6 periods a day and a different lesson every period?
I think the elementary system needs to be changed, so each subject is actually being taught, a teacher for each subject comes into the room to teach their "specialty". In NYS, many times science is not even taught or barely taught because of the emphasis on the ELA and math tests....so yes, subjects should count. A PE teacher shouldn't be paid the same as a science teacher.
Just out of curiosity how do you know this? Are you a teacher, have kids in school?? To make such a broad statement as "science is not even taught or barely taught because of the emphasis on the ELA...." must be because you have insider knowledge right?
Also as for merit pay.....so the "lucky" person who teaches AP English vs the "unlucky" person who gets an English class with 17 ELL students, 5 sped and 10 gen ed students......what exactly would be a fair assessment of those people??? I would like you to tell me the answer because I teach and don't know the answer so maybe someone who has never been there can.
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brownie
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
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Posted by brownie
I think it should be based on subject taught, and merit based to some degree
Seriously?!?! So, a person teaching 5 periods a day of the same subject area, same lesson should be paid more than an elementary teacher that is teaching 6 periods a day and a different lesson every period?
I think the elementary system needs to be changed, so each subject is actually being taught, a teacher for each subject comes into the room to teach their "specialty". In NYS, many times science is not even taught or barely taught because of the emphasis on the ELA and math tests....so yes, subjects should count. A PE teacher shouldn't be paid the same as a science teacher.
Just out of curiosity how do you know this? Are you a teacher, have kids in school?? To make such a broad statement as "science is not even taught or barely taught because of the emphasis on the ELA...." must be because you have insider knowledge right?
Also as for merit pay.....so the "lucky" person who teaches AP English vs the "unlucky" person who gets an English class with 17 ELL students, 5 sped and 10 gen ed students......what exactly would be a fair assessment of those people??? I would like you to tell me the answer because I teach and don't know the answer so maybe someone who has never been there can.
Yes, I was a teacher, and now do research in science education. I didn't say merit pay would be a simple equation, and I didn't say it was purely merit based, but it needs to loosely based on *something* like amount of improvement (use some type of pre and post assessment). I'm not saying this would be easy to figure out, but at least have the opportunity for some type of merit based system.
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by nicrae
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Posted by brownie
I think it should be based on subject taught, and merit based to some degree
Seriously?!?! So, a person teaching 5 periods a day of the same subject area, same lesson should be paid more than an elementary teacher that is teaching 6 periods a day and a different lesson every period?
I think the elementary system needs to be changed, so each subject is actually being taught, a teacher for each subject comes into the room to teach their "specialty". In NYS, many times science is not even taught or barely taught because of the emphasis on the ELA and math tests....so yes, subjects should count. A PE teacher shouldn't be paid the same as a science teacher.
Just out of curiosity how do you know this? Are you a teacher, have kids in school?? To make such a broad statement as "science is not even taught or barely taught because of the emphasis on the ELA...." must be because you have insider knowledge right?
Also as for merit pay.....so the "lucky" person who teaches AP English vs the "unlucky" person who gets an English class with 17 ELL students, 5 sped and 10 gen ed students......what exactly would be a fair assessment of those people??? I would like you to tell me the answer because I teach and don't know the answer so maybe someone who has never been there can.
ITA my 1st graders get science 2x a week in a lab taught by a sci teacher
Also, merit pay wouldnt be fair in my school bc my principal groups kids. One class will have the majority of low ELLs, another the middle ELLs and another with AIS students (those who probably just need a push) and another for the gifted and talented. Lastly the ITC room (12 spec ed and 15 gen ed). How is that fair? Oh and each class ends up getting a couple of completely non english bc kids register throughout the yr. Did I mention that all my first grade rooms have 30-32 kids?
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MrsPowers
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by brownie
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Posted by brownie
Posted by WishingforBaby
Posted by brownie
I think it should be based on subject taught, and merit based to some degree
Seriously?!?! So, a person teaching 5 periods a day of the same subject area, same lesson should be paid more than an elementary teacher that is teaching 6 periods a day and a different lesson every period?
I think the elementary system needs to be changed, so each subject is actually being taught, a teacher for each subject comes into the room to teach their "specialty". In NYS, many times science is not even taught or barely taught because of the emphasis on the ELA and math tests....so yes, subjects should count. A PE teacher shouldn't be paid the same as a science teacher.
Just out of curiosity how do you know this? Are you a teacher, have kids in school?? To make such a broad statement as "science is not even taught or barely taught because of the emphasis on the ELA...." must be because you have insider knowledge right?
Also as for merit pay.....so the "lucky" person who teaches AP English vs the "unlucky" person who gets an English class with 17 ELL students, 5 sped and 10 gen ed students......what exactly would be a fair assessment of those people??? I would like you to tell me the answer because I teach and don't know the answer so maybe someone who has never been there can.
Yes, I was a teacher, and now do research in science education. I didn't say merit pay would be a simple equation, and I didn't say it was purely merit based, but it needs to loosely based on *something* like amount of improvement (use some type of pre and post assessment). I'm not saying this would be easy to figure out, but at least have the opportunity for some type of merit based system.
And what about those teachers that love teaching the struggling populations of students? Teachers that teach reading or special education and etc. What about those teachers who are working with struggling learning as it is? They should get paid less than someone who teaches AP Bio?
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
IMO, not over $80,000.
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