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SweetCin
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I sincerely think teachers should be earning 75-80k after 10 years. It is a job that entails so much more than most non-teachers realize. It is also the type of job that when you drive home or are at home with your family, you can't just shut yourself off. You tend to replay scenarios that happened that day & how you maybe should have handled it or you feel bad about something a student told you about his living situation at home (dad's drinking or not having clean clothes to put on, etc.)
Having said that, I'm a Catholic school teacher with 10 years experience & I don't even make 40k & next year will be our 3rd year w/ a payfreeze.
Yet I didn't go into this profession b/c of the money, but b/c it was what I truly wanted to do & I wanted to be around children & I knew down the line I'd be a mom & would want to be off when my children were off, etc. It was also a profession I got into after being in the work force 10 years & I took a 10k paycut at the time to become a teacher. This isn't a woe is me post at all, but the teacher bashing gets old after a while.
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bookworm
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by rojerono
Well I'm thinking standard salary for someone with a degree in their first year would be somewhere around.. $40,000? So after 10 years - with 5% salary bumps each year it would be a little over 65,000 with 4 weeks vacation plus benefits. When you factor in some standard bonuses and bumps for good performance I think 80,000 plus WAY more than the standard vacation should be fair. Better teachers - ones with commendations, those who go above and beyond, ones who show exceptional dedication to the job - would clearly make more.
those numbers are very close to the actual salary schedule for my district.
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DiamondGirl
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by bookworm
Posted by rojerono
Well I'm thinking standard salary for someone with a degree in their first year would be somewhere around.. $40,000? So after 10 years - with 5% salary bumps each year it would be a little over 65,000 with 4 weeks vacation plus benefits. When you factor in some standard bonuses and bumps for good performance I think 80,000 plus WAY more than the standard vacation should be fair. Better teachers - ones with commendations, those who go above and beyond, ones who show exceptional dedication to the job - would clearly make more.
those numbers are very close to the actual salary schedule for my district.
The city also!
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DRMom
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I am not a teacher but I have no problem with teachers making 80,90 or 100k. Who is more important than the people that teach our children I live in NC and many schools here are year round(go to school for 2.5 months then have 15 days off all year) and the teachers make about 40k...I think it sux
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I think AT LEAST 80...it takes a lot of continuing education to be a teacher and for those that ask what a kindergarten teacher needs, I will tell you..kindergarten is NOT what it used to be!
Kids are expected to be reading by the end of K and that takes extensive knowledge on the part of the teacher on strategies to teach reading to varied levels of exposure and experience...same with math..we are not just cutting, pasting and singing all day! Add on top of that trying to be developmentally appropriate in an age where no one knows what that means anymore plus taking care of K students emotional well being (it is true what they say..your K teacher can make or break your attitude towards school) and K teachers need just as much schooling as any other teacher!
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jana
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Are we talking HS or 1-8? I could only talk about my experiences in Queens.
High School I would say a very good salary is deserved. At least $80,000.
But for the lower grades 
Just an example: the same work & projects repeat so much in my school that parents save it for their younger children. My gf has 3 kids, 2 yrs apart & all 3 have handed in the same Egyptian King Tut head for a 5th grade project. She didn't feel like the hassle of doing the SAME thing 3x's & the teacher didn't seem to notice, 3 A's.
This repeats in ALL grades in our school. Same HW, same tests, same projects year in...year out. Weekends off, summers off, Christmas vacation, Winter recess, Easter vacation,random holidays, 1/2 day every 1st of the month, collection $ for Christmas present, collection $ for end of the year.
They are such good teachers that almost every child has had or haves a steady tutor outside of school!
That being said.. 50 grand is way TOO MUCH. But as most have figured out by now, I'm talking about parochial schools.
Why you might say do I continue to send my kids to private school & pay for it if not for the superior teachers? Like any other parent in my school (Queens) will tell you.. for the sense of community. After 8 years, there is such a bond and trust between families. Everyone knows everyone. The kids do everything together outside of school, no one is excluded. So its not always about the teachers & books.
Just to say a few words & cover public school lower grades in my area.. my gf told me her son just spent a WHOLE month learning about, celebrating, doing projects, congressman visit, school assembly, etc all dedicated to the Chinese Lunar New Year.
Excessive much?
Edited to add: Just read the post above me. I TOTALLY agree.
My daughters K teacher "jump started" her life. She has made her a new person this year & in my eyes she is a Saint well deserving of every penny she earns & so much more. She has sent the tone for my childs educational experience for life.
On the other hand my son had a K teacher that was not fit to take care of goldfish let alone teach and mold young minds.
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sunni2552
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I do not believe in tenure for teachers, I do not like the idea of the security- most jobs do not offer that and I don't think teacher are entitled to it. I think the tenure system does not encourage teachers to be at their best, I also think salary should depend on course taught - a gym teacher no way merits a 100,000 a year.
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DiamondGirl
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by jana
Are we talking HS or 1-8? I could only talk about my experiences in Queens.
High School I would say a very good salary is deserved. At least $80,000.
But for the lower grades
Just an example: the same work & projects repeat so much in my school that parents save it for their younger children. My gf has 3 kids, 2 yrs apart & all 3 have handed in the same Egyptian King Tut head for a 5th grade project. She didn't feel like the hassle of doing the SAME thing 3x's & the teacher didn't seem to notice, 3 A's.
This repeats in ALL grades in our school. Same HW, same tests, same projects year in...year out. Weekends off, summers off, Christmas vacation, Winter recess, Easter vacation,random holidays, 1/2 day every 1st of the month, collection $ for Christmas present, collection $ for end of the year.
They are such good teachers that almost every child has had or haves a steady tutor outside of school!
That being said.. 50 grand is way TOO MUCH. But as most have figured out by now, I'm talking about parochial schools.
Why you might say do I continue to send my kids to private school & pay for it if not for the superior teachers? Like any other parent in my school (Queens) will tell you.. for the sense of community. After 8 years, there is such a bond and trust between families. Everyone knows everyone. The kids do everything together outside of school, no one is excluded. So its not always about the teachers & books.
Just to say a few words & cover public school lower grades in my area.. my gf told me her son just spent a WHOLE month learning about, celebrating, doing projects, congressman visit, school assembly, etc all dedicated to the Chinese Lunar New Year.
Excessive much?
You say your kids go to private school in Queens, correct?
Public School in NYC are NOTHING like what you describe. Every grade, including prek and kindergarden has a rigiourous curriculum. Also, teachers must change their lesson plans from year to year as they are observed and written up if they do not (well at least in my MS in Queens and in all the schools friends of mine work in)
Perhaps the subpar education your children recieve at their wonderful "community" of a private school lacks rigor but trust me when I tell you public schools in Queens do not.
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jana
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
DiamondGirl..aren't you from Whitestone also?
I'm zoned for Flushing HS.
Enough said.
I didn't mean to describe my childs education as "Subpar" just felt that it has proven to be repetitive throughout the years. Still I CHOSE that because I like the whole package/the bigger picture.
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jgl
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by DiamondGirl
Posted by jana
Are we talking HS or 1-8? I could only talk about my experiences in Queens.
High School I would say a very good salary is deserved. At least $80,000.
But for the lower grades
Just an example: the same work & projects repeat so much in my school that parents save it for their younger children. My gf has 3 kids, 2 yrs apart & all 3 have handed in the same Egyptian King Tut head for a 5th grade project. She didn't feel like the hassle of doing the SAME thing 3x's & the teacher didn't seem to notice, 3 A's.
This repeats in ALL grades in our school. Same HW, same tests, same projects year in...year out. Weekends off, summers off, Christmas vacation, Winter recess, Easter vacation,random holidays, 1/2 day every 1st of the month, collection $ for Christmas present, collection $ for end of the year.
They are such good teachers that almost every child has had or haves a steady tutor outside of school!
That being said.. 50 grand is way TOO MUCH. But as most have figured out by now, I'm talking about parochial schools.
Why you might say do I continue to send my kids to private school & pay for it if not for the superior teachers? Like any other parent in my school (Queens) will tell you.. for the sense of community. After 8 years, there is such a bond and trust between families. Everyone knows everyone. The kids do everything together outside of school, no one is excluded. So its not always about the teachers & books.
Just to say a few words & cover public school lower grades in my area.. my gf told me her son just spent a WHOLE month learning about, celebrating, doing projects, congressman visit, school assembly, etc all dedicated to the Chinese Lunar New Year.
Excessive much?
You say your kids go to private school in Queens, correct?
Public School in NYC are NOTHING like what you describe. Every grade, including prek and kindergarden has a rigiourous curriculum. Also, teachers must change their lesson plans from year to year as they are observed and written up if they do not (well at least in my MS in Queens and in all the schools friends of mine work in)
Perhaps the subpar education your children recieve at their wonderful "community" of a private school lacks rigor but trust me when I tell you public schools in Queens do not.
ITA!
Really? I dont think that is the norm. I work in NYC and teach 1st grade and but adminis on our @ss to improve each year, we spend a lot of time preparing the materials needed, the students are DIFFERENT every year. I spend a lot of time reviewing in small groups and testing them individually. I will have 28 students, 12 of those ELLs and 4 who do not speak English, a few high and the rest average to struggling, maybe needing to be classified. It is NOT easy, even if some of the material is the same. Try teaching 28+ students to READ! Just because we do not teach at the HS level, doesnt mean our job isn't hard or important.
50 grand?? I have a masters degree. I deal with children who aren't cared for at home (they aren't fed well, wear the same dirty clothes for days, have never ever recieved a gift), children who have no help with homework, students with disabilities, behavior problems. I deal with students who are abused and neglected. I have to TEACH them and they HAVE TO LEARN.
I thought private school teachers arent even requiered to have a certification??
ETA: I worry everyday I go home about my kids. I worry they are ok. I worry about something they may have told me about home. I worry that they are not progressing fast enough and it will look bad on me. I wory if I should havve spoken to the parents more than I did. The most stressful part of this job is that you are responsibile for the success of kids. There is only so much I can do. If I was responsiblie for myown success that would be different but my success depends on 28+ kids and factor in lotsof variables!
In NYC teachers are on their own. We dont often get the help of admin, psychologists or guidance, because they are busier than we are.
I don't think anyone should get paid less than 50K for a job requiring a masters and for the person to be able to apply what they have learned.
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sfp0701
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I am honestly shocked at the amount of people that said less than 50,000. Teachers live on LI too and need to survive! The cost of living for us is the same as for you!
I have 300$ a month in just student loans for my undergrad and grad alone! Plus the cost of the REQUIRED continuing ed. I would be poor!
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I would say 80-90K give or take. It's expensive to live on LI, I can't imagine them making less.
I BTW think gym, art, and music are very important. I don't think they should be paid any less.
I don't think the problem is teacher salaries at all. Maybe the higher ups, although in my district they don't make what I would consider an exorbitant amount.
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
They need to get rid of tenure.
They need to get rid of salary based on credits earned. It should be based on years worked.
I think we need to get rid of the ridiculous number of Admins per district and their salaries need to be lowered. If they retire and receive a pension they should NOT be able to work for another district.
While I do think NYC teachers salaries should be bumped up a bit, I think that if LI followed the salary scale of NYC, it would be fair and lessen the burden slightly on tax payers.
ETA: I voted for $80-90k but think it should be closer to the $80-85k mark.
I know 2 teachers teaching for 10 years. One is a gym teacher making $100k the other is a elementary school teacher making close to $95k. BUT I also know a few other teachers making in the $80-85k mark. It vaires by district by contract.
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
If public school teachers work so hard and deserve so much money for molding young minds, how do you account for the low salaries and extremely high graduation to 4 year college rate that happens at Chaminade, St. Anthony's and other private schools?
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cinnabon
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I can't put a price on my childs future, it's that important. Def over 90k.
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jana
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Ladies, I just gave a parents perspective of private school, not public. Something I choose to pay for after touring and considering the public schools in my area. I saw those conditions described..too many children in one classroom ( having to add trailors), many ESL students, harsh conditions. It is NOT easy for the teachers.
But the topic is a salary for any teacher.
My take was on a salary for a teacher, in Queens, in a private school.
I believe Hillary Clinton when she said "It takes a village" we can't leave it all up to the teachers. Different things are important to different ppl.
For me, like I said.. its the whole experience, the teachers, the community.
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MrsA1012
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
80,000 at the absolute lowest but ideally 90 plus. How are we going to get quality educators if we don't pay properly !!??
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evrythng4areason
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by SlurpeeDad
If public school teachers work so hard and deserve so much money for molding young minds, how do you account for the low salaries and extremely high graduation to 4 year college rate that happens at Chaminade, St. Anthony's and other private schools?
I've taught in private and public schools
Apples and Oranges
Private schools you get MUCH smaller classes..I could literally spend fifteen minutes working with two students if I needed to.
You also have to realize these are families willing to PAY for their child's education-the support is at home, which helps children learn better.
As a teacher, I also dealt with a lot less in private schools than in public. I could make my own schedule, I could easily come late/leave early, I had even more days off than public schools..my salary was reflective of that.
Different ball parks.
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by 20mrsc10
Posted by SlurpeeDad
If public school teachers work so hard and deserve so much money for molding young minds, how do you account for the low salaries and extremely high graduation to 4 year college rate that happens at Chaminade, St. Anthony's and other private schools?
I've taught in private and public schools
Apples and Oranges
Private schools you get MUCH smaller classes..I could literally spend fifteen minutes working with two students if I needed to.
You also have to realize these are families willing to PAY for their child's education-the support is at home, which helps children learn better.
As a teacher, I also dealt with a lot less in private schools than in public. I could make my own schedule, I could easily come late/leave early, I had even more days off than public schools..my salary was reflective of that.
Different ball parks.
I went to private school, my class sizes were ALWAYS 25-30 students, regardless of it was 3rd grade or 12th grade.
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by MrsA1012
80,000 at the absolute lowest but ideally 90 plus. How are we going to get quality educators if we don't pay properly !!??
How are we going to get quality educators if they are in it for the money?
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evrythng4areason
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
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Posted by 20mrsc10
Posted by SlurpeeDad
If public school teachers work so hard and deserve so much money for molding young minds, how do you account for the low salaries and extremely high graduation to 4 year college rate that happens at Chaminade, St. Anthony's and other private schools?
I've taught in private and public schools
Apples and Oranges
Private schools you get MUCH smaller classes..I could literally spend fifteen minutes working with two students if I needed to.
You also have to realize these are families willing to PAY for their child's education-the support is at home, which helps children learn better.
As a teacher, I also dealt with a lot less in private schools than in public. I could make my own schedule, I could easily come late/leave early, I had even more days off than public schools..my salary was reflective of that.
Different ball parks.
I went to private school, my class sizes were ALWAYS 25-30 students, regardless of it was 3rd grade or 12th grade.
Ok well in my experience, as a teacher, the school I taught at capped out at 18; I had classes of 10. But obviously, with your golf expertise, you know oh so much.
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Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by MrsA1012
80,000 at the absolute lowest but ideally 90 plus. How are we going to get quality educators if we don't pay properly !!??
How are we going to get quality educators if they are in it for the money?
How are we going to get quality educators if we aren't willing to pay them?
Teachers ARE NOT MISSIONARIES.
This is what kills me- we b!tch and moan about how our kids are so far behind Finland, China, etc, then we complain that they make too much.
There is also no way you can compare private school to public- parents who pay for private school are going to make sure they make the most from their investment. Also, private schools can kick kids out. It would be mind-boggling how much more I could do with my students if I could remove the 2-3 kids who cause 90% of the disruptions. But they, unfortunately, have rights, as their parents like to remind me when I make them come to school.
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by 20mrsc10
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by 20mrsc10
Posted by SlurpeeDad
If public school teachers work so hard and deserve so much money for molding young minds, how do you account for the low salaries and extremely high graduation to 4 year college rate that happens at Chaminade, St. Anthony's and other private schools?
I've taught in private and public schools
Apples and Oranges
Private schools you get MUCH smaller classes..I could literally spend fifteen minutes working with two students if I needed to.
You also have to realize these are families willing to PAY for their child's education-the support is at home, which helps children learn better.
As a teacher, I also dealt with a lot less in private schools than in public. I could make my own schedule, I could easily come late/leave early, I had even more days off than public schools..my salary was reflective of that.
Different ball parks.
I went to private school, my class sizes were ALWAYS 25-30 students, regardless of it was 3rd grade or 12th grade.
Ok well in my experience, as a teacher, the school I taught at capped out at 18; I had classes of 10. But obviously, with your golf expertise, you know oh so much.
You can try to insult me if you want, but I am just talking about actual experience that I have had. It may be different then yours, but that doesn't mean I am wrong.
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by SlurpeeDad
If public school teachers work so hard and deserve so much money for molding young minds, how do you account for the low salaries and extremely high graduation to 4 year college rate that happens at Chaminade, St. Anthony's and other private schools?
smaller class size 
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
As a teacher, I would not stay in this profession for 50k a year. IT IS NOT WORTH IT! I worry about my kids, I spend HOURS planning meaningful activities for them and am at work til 5pm everyday. That would not be worth it.
If you want to pay people 50k, you will be stuck with teachers who do not care and are there to be babysitters.
Teachers watch your children. Be nice to them!!
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