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AllyMally
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by marianne13
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Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
And what about the innocent rape victim?
It is horrible and difficult for girls that are rapes i am sure, but adoption is the best option. Murdering a defenseless child is not.
Do you really think that a rape victim who is essentially forced to give birth to her rapist's child will take care of the unborn fetus while pregnant? Just because a woman can't get an abortion doesn't mean she won't try to do it herself, or try to miscarry, or maybe just not care about the welfare of the fetus? I highly doubt someone in that position will be taking prenatals, not drinking, not smoking, etc especially after such a truamatic and horrible experience.
Here's a question then. Would her having an abortion not be traumatic also? This country has such a feeling of hate to a rape created child that I could see a woman having one just because it is the expected thing to do. What then? 1,3,5,20 years from now when she is dealing with the aftermath of not only a rape but also an abortion. Why is it so easily assumed if you conceive while raped you would have an abortion. I just don't understand that.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
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These laws will not stand. I'm not even concerned.
These laws are being written to try and bring the case to the Supreme Court. I am concerned!
But I just love how we are forced to give birth no matter what the circumstances, but heaven forbid anyone talks about having health coverage for all.. which those pregnant women need.. or a decent federal maternity leave policy which those women will need when they are forced to give birth to these children that they may decide to keep.. and does anyone even care about these children once they are put up for adoption, and potentially NOT adopted and then have to grow up in the system, unloved and unwanted.
I guess morality begins at conception and ends at birth... 
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by AllyMally
Posted by marianne13
Posted by Denise
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
And what about the innocent rape victim?
It is horrible and difficult for girls that are rapes i am sure, but adoption is the best option. Murdering a defenseless child is not.
Do you really think that a rape victim who is essentially forced to give birth to her rapist's child will take care of the unborn fetus while pregnant? Just because a woman can't get an abortion doesn't mean she won't try to do it herself, or try to miscarry, or maybe just not care about the welfare of the fetus? I highly doubt someone in that position will be taking prenatals, not drinking, not smoking, etc especially after such a truamatic and horrible experience.
Here's a question then. Would her having an abortion not be traumatic also? This country has such a feeling of hate to a rape created child that I could see a woman having one just because it is the expected thing to do. What then? 1,3,5,20 years from now when she is dealing with the aftermath of not only a rape but also an abortion. Why is it so easily assumed if you conceive while raped you would have an abortion. I just don't understand that.
I understand your argument, but don't you think a rape victim deserves a choice?
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by AllyMally
Here's a question then. Would her having an abortion not be traumatic also? This country has such a feeling of hate to a rape created child that I could see a woman having one just because it is the expected thing to do. What then? 1,3,5,20 years from now when she is dealing with the aftermath of not only a rape but also an abortion. Why is it so easily assumed if you conceive while raped you would have an abortion. I just don't understand that.
I don't think there is hate for babies born of rape- not at all- I do think there is a lot of disgust for the idea that a woman who goes through one of the worst violations there is will not have a choice.
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NervousNell
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by Denise
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
And what about the innocent rape victim?
It is horrible and difficult for girls that are rapes i am sure, but adoption is the best option. Murdering a defenseless child is not.
And what if she doesn't want to go through pregnancy and child birth? Her choice to get pregnant was taken away...now she should be forced to go through a pregnancy and birth too?
Wow...so much for a free country.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Denise
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
And what about the innocent rape victim?
It is horrible and difficult for girls that are rapes i am sure, but adoption is the best option. Murdering a defenseless child is not.
And what if she doesn't want to go through pregnancy and child birth? Her choice to get pregnant was taken away...now she should be forced to go through a pregnancy and birth too?
Wow...so much for a free country.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
scary!!
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by MissJones
This country is so concerned with saving the unborn but screw them once they come out. So backa$$wards.
Yep. The unborn are so important that we don't give a **** about them once they are fully formed human beings. Get your own healthcare, freeloader.  
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
If men could get pregnant we wouldn't even have a debate. The landscape would look very different.
As for the women who want to protect the unborn, I feel ya, but there are too many what ifs to regulate so strictly.
Most of all, my body, my choice.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
I agree with a pp that women might rush out and get an abortion knowing that this law is in place. I also find it absurd that a rape victim, or a woman who has a baby with severe abnormalities couldn't receive an abortion under this law. With some genetic conditions it is much kinder to abort than to put a child through rigorous treatment or extreme pain during a short life.
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ThePinkGoose
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
I agree!! I'm thrilled to hear about this. Also asking that I don't start a debate on this. This is my opinion and i'm entitled to it. Not bashing anyone else's views so please respect mine.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by ThePinkGoose
Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
I agree!! I'm thrilled to hear about this. Also asking that I don't start a debate on this. This is my opinion and i'm entitled to it. Not bashing anyone else's views so please respect mine.
I agree as well. However, there should be an option to abort if someone is pregnant as a result of rape.
There are so many people in this country who want to adopt but have to go to other countries to do so.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by ThePinkGoose
Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
I agree!! I'm thrilled to hear about this. Also asking that I don't start a debate on this. This is my opinion and i'm entitled to it. Not bashing anyone else's views so please respect mine.
I agree wholeheartedly. And I also agree with one of the other PP who said rape and incest are the minority, not the majority. I feel at the very least, the majority should definitely abide by this type of law bc too many people are taking advantage.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by Blu-ize
If men could get pregnant we wouldn't even have a debate. The landscape would look very different.
As for the women who want to protect the unborn, I feel ya, but there are too many what ifs to regulate so strictly.
Most of all, my body, my choice.
this is so true, couldnt have said it any better
also, outside of rape and abnormalities, some women just do not want or not under the right circumstances to bring a child into this world. and no one has the right to tell that woman what she can and cannot decide is right for her.
as someone who is struggling with infertility myself, I dont expect anyone to carry a child just so I can have one.
and this debate is all about choice. everyone can choose what to believe and what set of morals to have and in a free country we should all defend our rights for choice and not looking for ways to limit and eliminate them.
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North Dakota governor signs
I'm kind of a middle ground person on this. I agree that rape victims are a minority and also think that rape victims find out fairly early that they are pregnant and don't need months to decide what to do while the life inside them continues to grow. I think there have been many advances since roe v wade that show how early and quickly babies develop. Testing for genetic abnormalities has come so fat that women can find out very earlyon whether something is wwrong. ..as early as 11/12 weeks. I think eomen have a responsibility to find out early if they are pregnant and complete testing early if that would affevt their decision. 6 weeks may be too early, but I fully believe 20-24 weeks is way too late. Maybe 14 weeks? I'm not sure to be honest. I'd like to say 10 weeks but I think some test results need longer. I also fully share the fear that with such an early cut off women will rush out and get abortions while they still can inst ead of taking some time to process. 14 weeks seems like a reasonable compromise. However, there should always be an exception to save the life of the mother.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
What I find so fascinating (and this is a generalization, not ALL people fit into this category but certainly most lawmakers and politicians do) is that those who are anti-abortion are also anti-welfare. Yet, the TRUTH is that so many babies are born into situations where the families can not afford them. So we force women to have babies and then don't want to provide them with any help raising them, even if the mother didn't want to bring the baby into this world to begin with. And THEN those mothers are damned for being bad parents.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by MandJZ
What I find so fascinating (and this is a generalization, not ALL people fit into this category but certainly most lawmakers and politicians do) is that those who are anti-abortion are also anti-welfare. Yet, the TRUTH is that so many babies are born into situations where the families can not afford them. So we force women to have babies and then don't want to provide them with any help raising them, even if the mother didn't want to bring the baby into this world to begin with. And THEN those mothers are damned for being bad parents.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
And a lot of these lawmakers and politicians (and others) are also the ones against birth control. So then what? You don't want BC to be accessible yet you don't want women to CHOOSE abortion but then once the child is born and forced into the system, you don't want anything to do with them? It's completely mind boggling to me.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
You just can't regulate my body. There is no law that can make me have a child I don't want to have. Women will find a way to abort if they really want to. Women will die. Risk vs reward here.
Gross generalizations about women using abortion as contraception are really few a far between. Same as the percentage of women who have abortions after rape. Pick a side and skew at will.
Thankfully there are organizations like Planned Parenthood that protect womens health.
If I didn't want to have a baby and found myself unexpectedly pregnant I would find a way. I know many women feel the same way.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by Blu-ize
Gross generalizations about women using abortion as contraception are really few a far between. Same as the percentage of women who have abortions after rape. Pick a side and skew at will.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by Blu-ize
If I didn't want to have a baby and found myself unexpectedly pregnant I would find a way. I know many women feel the same way.
Exactly. Nobody is going to tell me what I can and can't do with my body.
Sorry but no. There is no way I would go through a pregnancy that was a result of rape, or what have you.
So they can make abortion illegal again if they want, but it will just go back to illegal back alley abortions like before Roe v Wade.
Aboritions aren't going to stop
Getting them safely and legally will though.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by BeachGrl
I agree wholeheartedly. And I also agree with one of the other PP who said rape and incest are the minority, not the majority. I feel at the very least, the majority should definitely abide by this type of law bc too many people are taking advantage.
I have such an issue with the "taking advantage". Taking advantage of WHAT?
Of a medical procedure that is available?
Of you? What business is it of yours what strangers do?
Abortion isn't pretty, but I'm so sick of this judgement about people who choose that route, when the bottom line is our government and a vast majority of our people DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THOSE KIDS!
You don't want to support them financially, you don't want to pay for their health care, you don't want insurance to cover birth control... and you'll be the first to lynch the mother when she neglects the child after it's born.
Abortion is not a nice thing, in many cases it shows a serious lack of responsibility. I think people who can willingly go through this multiple times might possibly be missing a piece of their souls... but it's a real issue that needs to be dealt with and just to outlaw it because it's unpleasant is equally irresponsible and immoral when no one is willing to deal with the aftermath.
That "you" is not specific to the poster I quoted, it extends to each and every person in this country - some of my family members included - who are pro-life but against welfare, socialized health care and the like.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
You know who this hurts? Poor women. Women who have been marginalized by society. Rich women have always been able to get abortions and always will be able too.
And a question for those who think this is a great idea: Do you think the mother should be able to get welfare for as long as needed as well as comprehensive health insurance? How about straight up cash so she can take care of this baby?
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by ThePinkGoose
Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
I agree!! I'm thrilled to hear about this. Also asking that I don't start a debate on this. This is my opinion and i'm entitled to it. Not bashing anyone else's views so please respect mine.
And with these 2 statements we see what is terribly terribly wrong with this country. Scary wrong with this country. Deeply troubbling and concerning on an alarming level.
You both are entitled to your beliefs. I am actually not going to even comment on how you feel. This is not a comment on YOU, but the anti abortion movement, and people pushing their morals on others.
What’s wrong with the country is my having to live by OTHER peoples morals and religion.
Your morals are NOT mine.
Your beliefs are NOT mine.
Your religion is ABSOLUTELY not mine.
My medical procedures, no matter how distasteful to you, should not be your concern.
Where is the outrage at men getting vasectamy? Women getting historectomy? It still stops life.
I should not have laws stopping me from doing something because YOUR religion and morals say so.
Even take religion out. Your morals. I should not have to live by YOUR standards.
Nor should you have to live by mine.
Abortion MUST stay legal to save woman’s lives are saved.
We can have a philosophical discussion about life. When it starts, babies being murdered, etc etc. This really is NOT the issue. Its not the argument.
The argument is: I should have medical procedure *I* want based on my choices and my doctors recommendation. I should not be stopped from ANY medical procedure because some find it distasteful. It’s not your body. Its not YOUR medical procedure.
And someone said it very well. The ultra conservatives and republicans want SO badly to stop abortion at all costs. They have NO desire to PAY for all the unwanted kids. They have no desire to add money for social services (and all that comes with an unwanted child). I think it’s much more distasteful to be forced into having a pregnancy you don’t want.
And the worste part, and what is alarming on more levels that cant even be comprehended? What happens if the mothers life is in danger? You say "oh it will be fine and the mother will be protected".
Will she? What happens to the doctor who hears a heartbeat, but its dangerous for the mother? He says "yeah, lets wait and see". Would he make a call based on not wanted to get prosecuted? Or by the best interest of the mother? Dont shake your head that it "CANT" happen. It can and will.
Womens lives are in MORTAL danger because of this law. I am outraged that women are forced to what OTHERS say is best for them.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by eroxgirl
Posted by BeachGrl
I agree wholeheartedly. And I also agree with one of the other PP who said rape and incest are the minority, not the majority. I feel at the very least, the majority should definitely abide by this type of law bc too many people are taking advantage.
I have such an issue with the "taking advantage". Taking advantage of WHAT?
Of a medical procedure that is available?
Of you? What business is it of yours what strangers do?
Abortion isn't pretty, but I'm so sick of this judgement about people who choose that route, when the bottom line is our government and a vast majority of our people DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THOSE KIDS!
You don't want to support them financially, you don't want to pay for their health care, you don't want insurance to cover birth control... and you'll be the first to lynch the mother when she neglects the child after it's born.
Abortion is not a nice thing, in many cases it shows a serious lack of responsibility. I think people who can willingly go through this multiple times might possibly be missing a piece of their souls... but it's a real issue that needs to be dealt with and just to outlaw it because it's unpleasant is equally irresponsible and immoral when no one is willing to deal with the aftermath.
That "you" is not specific to the poster I quoted, it extends to each and every person in this country - some of my family members included - who are pro-life but against welfare, socialized health care and the like.
Marry me 
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by eroxgirl
Abortion isn't pretty, but I'm so sick of this judgement about people who choose that route, when the bottom line is our government and a vast majority of our people DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THOSE KIDS!
You don't want to support them financially, you don't want to pay for their health care, you don't want insurance to cover birth control... and you'll be the first to lynch the mother when she neglects the child after it's born.
Well said.
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