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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
as someone who is right winged I can tell u I support choice wholeheartedly. and one of the reasons being cause I do not want to pay for welfare. as u say a lot of these mothers and kids will end up there. I work very hard, why do I need to pay more? so, why take away choice?
also, it embarrasses me that these "republicans" have taken over the party. if u think about it there is nothing more republican/right winged than supporting gay marriage, abortion and any other number of things out there that are such hot topics with these MEN. its all about freedom of choice and making ur own fate by your own two hands, not shoving down ur opinions and morals on others.
I think I can step off my soap box now hehe
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by starr
as someone who is right winged I can tell u I support choice wholeheartedly. and one of the reasons being cause I do not want to pay for welfare. as u say a lot of these mothers and kids will end up there. I work very hard, why do I need to pay more? so, why take away choice?
also, it embarrasses me that these "republicans" have taken over the party. if u think about it there is nothing more republican/right winged than supporting gay marriage, abortion and any other number of things out there that are such hot topics with these MEN. its all about freedom of choice and making ur own fate by your own two hands, not shoving down ur opinions and morals on others.
I think I can step off my soap box now hehe
Thank you for this. This is what I don't get. Isn't the Republican Party supposed to be about limited government and freedom of choice? Apparently this is true unless it is about a woman's body or who a person loves and wants to marry.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
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I agree wholeheartedly. And I also agree with one of the other PP who said rape and incest are the minority, not the majority. I feel at the very least, the majority should definitely abide by this type of law bc too many people are taking advantage.
I have such an issue with the "taking advantage". Taking advantage of WHAT?
Of a medical procedure that is available?
Of you? What business is it of yours what strangers do?
Abortion isn't pretty, but I'm so sick of this judgement about people who choose that route, when the bottom line is our government and a vast majority of our people DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THOSE KIDS!
You don't want to support them financially, you don't want to pay for their health care, you don't want insurance to cover birth control... and you'll be the first to lynch the mother when she neglects the child after it's born.
Abortion is not a nice thing, in many cases it shows a serious lack of responsibility. I think people who can willingly go through this multiple times might possibly be missing a piece of their souls... but it's a real issue that needs to be dealt with and just to outlaw it because it's unpleasant is equally irresponsible and immoral when no one is willing to deal with the aftermath.
That "you" is not specific to the poster I quoted, it extends to each and every person in this country - some of my family members included - who are pro-life but against welfare, socialized health care and the like.
 
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Paramount!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU'RE THE SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by starr
as someone who is right winged I can tell u I support choice wholeheartedly. and one of the reasons being cause I do not want to pay for welfare. as u say a lot of these mothers and kids will end up there. I work very hard, why do I need to pay more? so, why take away choice?
also, it embarrasses me that these "republicans" have taken over the party. if u think about it there is nothing more republican/right winged than supporting gay marriage, abortion and any other number of things out there that are such hot topics with these MEN. its all about freedom of choice and making ur own fate by your own two hands, not shoving down ur opinions and morals on others.
I think I can step off my soap box now hehe
Thank you for this. This is what I don't get. Isn't the Republican Party supposed to be about limited government and freedom of choice? Apparently this is true unless it is about a woman's body or who a person loves and wants to marry.
lol reminds me of this
paramount and erox said it all. thanks ladies
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Paramount!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU'RE THE SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I take that with high regard coming from you!
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by Paramount
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Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
I agree!! I'm thrilled to hear about this. Also asking that I don't start a debate on this. This is my opinion and i'm entitled to it. Not bashing anyone else's views so please respect mine.
And with these 2 statements we see what is terribly terribly wrong with this country. Scary wrong with this country. Deeply troubbling and concerning on an alarming level.
You both are entitled to your beliefs. I am actually not going to even comment on how you feel. This is not a comment on YOU, but the anti abortion movement, and people pushing their morals on others.
What’s wrong with the country is my having to live by OTHER peoples morals and religion.
Your morals are NOT mine.
Your beliefs are NOT mine.
Your religion is ABSOLUTELY not mine.
My medical procedures, no matter how distasteful to you, should not be your concern.
Where is the outrage at men getting vasectamy? Women getting historectomy? It still stops life.
I should not have laws stopping me from doing something because YOUR religion and morals say so.
Even take religion out. Your morals. I should not have to live by YOUR standards.
Nor should you have to live by mine.
Abortion MUST stay legal to save woman’s lives are saved.
We can have a philosophical discussion about life. When it starts, babies being murdered, etc etc. This really is NOT the issue. Its not the argument.
The argument is: I should have medical procedure *I* want based on my choices and my doctors recommendation. I should not be stopped from ANY medical procedure because some find it distasteful. It’s not your body. Its not YOUR medical procedure.
And someone said it very well. The ultra conservatives and republicans want SO badly to stop abortion at all costs. They have NO desire to PAY for all the unwanted kids. They have no desire to add money for social services (and all that comes with an unwanted child). I think it’s much more distasteful to be forced into having a pregnancy you don’t want.
And the worste part, and what is alarming on more levels that cant even be comprehended? What happens if the mothers life is in danger? You say "oh it will be fine and the mother will be protected".
Will she? What happens to the doctor who hears a heartbeat, but its dangerous for the mother? He says "yeah, lets wait and see". Would he make a call based on not wanted to get prosecuted? Or by the best interest of the mother? Dont shake your head that it "CANT" happen. It can and will.
Womens lives are in MORTAL danger because of this law. I am outraged that women are forced to what OTHERS say is best for them.
very well said, and totally agree
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by Paramount
And the worste part, and what is alarming on more levels that cant even be comprehended? What happens if the mothers life is in danger? You say "oh it will be fine and the mother will be protected".
Will she? What happens to the doctor who hears a heartbeat, but its dangerous for the mother? He says "yeah, lets wait and see". Would he make a call based on not wanted to get prosecuted? Or by the best interest of the mother? Dont shake your head that it "CANT" happen. It can and will.
It did happen in Ireland in 2012.
http://world.time.com/2012/12/19/irelands-historic-abortion-shift-and-the-tragedy-that-shadowed-it/
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by eroxgirl
Posted by BeachGrl
I agree wholeheartedly. And I also agree with one of the other PP who said rape and incest are the minority, not the majority. I feel at the very least, the majority should definitely abide by this type of law bc too many people are taking advantage.
I have such an issue with the "taking advantage". Taking advantage of WHAT?
Of a medical procedure that is available?
Of you? What business is it of yours what strangers do?
Abortion isn't pretty, but I'm so sick of this judgement about people who choose that route, when the bottom line is our government and a vast majority of our people DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THOSE KIDS!
You don't want to support them financially, you don't want to pay for their health care, you don't want insurance to cover birth control... and you'll be the first to lynch the mother when she neglects the child after it's born.
Abortion is not a nice thing, in many cases it shows a serious lack of responsibility. I think people who can willingly go through this multiple times might possibly be missing a piece of their souls... but it's a real issue that needs to be dealt with and just to outlaw it because it's unpleasant is equally irresponsible and immoral when no one is willing to deal with the aftermath.
That "you" is not specific to the poster I quoted, it extends to each and every person in this country - some of my family members included - who are pro-life but against welfare, socialized health care and the like.
When I say taking advantage, I mean not using birth control and relying on abortion instead. I know two women who have had multiple abortions. One of them had 3. I'm sorry, but it breaks my heart. Why couldn't she use a condom or take birth control pills after the first accident and at least learn from it?
We need to find a way to stop people from having one after another. Believe me, I'm all open to ideas and suggestions to find a better way to deal with this issue. Maybe knowing these two women and what they do has formed my opinion, but it's kind of hard to not get sick to your stomach when the woman tells you she's having yet another abortion. I try so hard not to care bc I know it's not my body, my child, or my business but I can't help but get sad over the situation. Believe me, I really wish I didn't care so much.
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Posted by BeachGrl
When I say taking advantage, I mean not using birth control and relying on abortion instead.
We need to find a way to stop people from having one after another.
ITA but laws like this one is not the way to do it. Making access to BC or Plan B difficult is not the way to do it.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
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Posted by Paramount
And the worste part, and what is alarming on more levels that cant even be comprehended? What happens if the mothers life is in danger? You say "oh it will be fine and the mother will be protected".
Will she? What happens to the doctor who hears a heartbeat, but its dangerous for the mother? He says "yeah, lets wait and see". Would he make a call based on not wanted to get prosecuted? Or by the best interest of the mother? Dont shake your head that it "CANT" happen. It can and will.
It did happen in Ireland in 2012.
http://world.time.com/2012/12/19/irelands-historic-abortion-shift-and-the-tragedy-that-shadowed-it/
Thats what I was alluding to. Thanks for the link.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
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Posted by BeachGrl
I agree wholeheartedly. And I also agree with one of the other PP who said rape and incest are the minority, not the majority. I feel at the very least, the majority should definitely abide by this type of law bc too many people are taking advantage.
I have such an issue with the "taking advantage". Taking advantage of WHAT?
Of a medical procedure that is available?
Of you? What business is it of yours what strangers do?
Abortion isn't pretty, but I'm so sick of this judgement about people who choose that route, when the bottom line is our government and a vast majority of our people DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THOSE KIDS!
You don't want to support them financially, you don't want to pay for their health care, you don't want insurance to cover birth control... and you'll be the first to lynch the mother when she neglects the child after it's born.
Abortion is not a nice thing, in many cases it shows a serious lack of responsibility. I think people who can willingly go through this multiple times might possibly be missing a piece of their souls... but it's a real issue that needs to be dealt with and just to outlaw it because it's unpleasant is equally irresponsible and immoral when no one is willing to deal with the aftermath.
That "you" is not specific to the poster I quoted, it extends to each and every person in this country - some of my family members included - who are pro-life but against welfare, socialized health care and the like.
When I say taking advantage, I mean not using birth control and relying on abortion instead. I know two women who have had multiple abortions. One of them had 3. I'm sorry, but it breaks my heart. Why couldn't she use a condom or take birth control pills after the first accident and at least learn from it?
We need to find a way to stop people from having one after another. Believe me, I'm all open to ideas and suggestions to find a better way to deal with this issue. Maybe knowing these two women and what they do has formed my opinion, but it's kind of hard to not get sick to your stomach when the woman tells you she's having yet another abortion. I try so hard not to care bc I know it's not my body, my child, or my business but I can't help but get sad over the situation. Believe me, I really wish I didn't care so much.
The people you know are disgusting, for being lazy and doing what they do.
But it's not for you or I or the government to legislate morality. That's between them and God. That's what people need to understand. You don't need to agree with it, like it, tolerate it or be happy about it. That's the thing about being in a FREE COUNTRY. I don't have to like what you do and you don't have to like what I do.
Besides, what kind of a parent would those people make? If you're too lazy to use a condom, are you going to take your prenatal vitamins? Because prenatals suck. They make you nauseous and they taste bad. Not smoke during pregnancy? Eat right? Not drink? For nine long months???
I don't care if you have 10000 abortions. I'd rather that than anyone give birth to a child and not love it, or not give it the opportunity for a better life.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by Paramount
And with these 2 statements we see what is terribly terribly wrong with this country. Scary wrong with this country. Deeply troubbling and concerning on an alarming level.
You both are entitled to your beliefs. I am actually not going to even comment on how you feel. This is not a comment on YOU, but the anti abortion movement, and people pushing their morals on others.
What’s wrong with the country is my having to live by OTHER peoples morals and religion.
Your morals are NOT mine.
Your beliefs are NOT mine.
Your religion is ABSOLUTELY not mine.
My medical procedures, no matter how distasteful to you, should not be your concern.
Where is the outrage at men getting vasectamy? Women getting historectomy? It still stops life.
I should not have laws stopping me from doing something because YOUR religion and morals say so.
Even take religion out. Your morals. I should not have to live by YOUR standards.
Nor should you have to live by mine.
Abortion MUST stay legal to save woman’s lives are saved.
We can have a philosophical discussion about life. When it starts, babies being murdered, etc etc. This really is NOT the issue. Its not the argument.
The argument is: I should have medical procedure *I* want based on my choices and my doctors recommendation. I should not be stopped from ANY medical procedure because some find it distasteful. It’s not your body. Its not YOUR medical procedure.
And someone said it very well. The ultra conservatives and republicans want SO badly to stop abortion at all costs. They have NO desire to PAY for all the unwanted kids. They have no desire to add money for social services (and all that comes with an unwanted child). I think it’s much more distasteful to be forced into having a pregnancy you don’t want.
And the worste part, and what is alarming on more levels that cant even be comprehended? What happens if the mothers life is in danger? You say "oh it will be fine and the mother will be protected".
Will she? What happens to the doctor who hears a heartbeat, but its dangerous for the mother? He says "yeah, lets wait and see". Would he make a call based on not wanted to get prosecuted? Or by the best interest of the mother? Dont shake your head that it "CANT" happen. It can and will.
Womens lives are in MORTAL danger because of this law. I am outraged that women are forced to what OTHERS say is best for them.
I don't know you but I think I love you!
Funny that cases of rape are being highlighted in this discussions. How about women like ME? I had an abortion early January. My very much wanted son had Trisomy 18-which is in NO WAY compatible with life. He would have survived maybe a few hours. His organs were formed outside of his body. I have 2 other children--could you imagine or fathom the trauma for me, for my DH and my children not to mention the excruciating pain my son would have endured? It's not a decision I made light-heartedly or wanted to make. I made my decision out of love. And the idea that a state has made this choice already for women like me is horrifying. I WAS protecting my unborn child.
I sincerely hope for those are so overwhelming against women having a choice that you never are faced with the decision to terminate a pregnancy.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by Ookpik
Posted by Paramount
And with these 2 statements we see what is terribly terribly wrong with this country. Scary wrong with this country. Deeply troubbling and concerning on an alarming level.
You both are entitled to your beliefs. I am actually not going to even comment on how you feel. This is not a comment on YOU, but the anti abortion movement, and people pushing their morals on others.
What’s wrong with the country is my having to live by OTHER peoples morals and religion.
Your morals are NOT mine.
Your beliefs are NOT mine.
Your religion is ABSOLUTELY not mine.
My medical procedures, no matter how distasteful to you, should not be your concern.
Where is the outrage at men getting vasectamy? Women getting historectomy? It still stops life.
I should not have laws stopping me from doing something because YOUR religion and morals say so.
Even take religion out. Your morals. I should not have to live by YOUR standards.
Nor should you have to live by mine.
Abortion MUST stay legal to save woman’s lives are saved.
We can have a philosophical discussion about life. When it starts, babies being murdered, etc etc. This really is NOT the issue. Its not the argument.
The argument is: I should have medical procedure *I* want based on my choices and my doctors recommendation. I should not be stopped from ANY medical procedure because some find it distasteful. It’s not your body. Its not YOUR medical procedure.
And someone said it very well. The ultra conservatives and republicans want SO badly to stop abortion at all costs. They have NO desire to PAY for all the unwanted kids. They have no desire to add money for social services (and all that comes with an unwanted child). I think it’s much more distasteful to be forced into having a pregnancy you don’t want.
And the worste part, and what is alarming on more levels that cant even be comprehended? What happens if the mothers life is in danger? You say "oh it will be fine and the mother will be protected".
Will she? What happens to the doctor who hears a heartbeat, but its dangerous for the mother? He says "yeah, lets wait and see". Would he make a call based on not wanted to get prosecuted? Or by the best interest of the mother? Dont shake your head that it "CANT" happen. It can and will.
Womens lives are in MORTAL danger because of this law. I am outraged that women are forced to what OTHERS say is best for them.
I don't know you but I think I love you!
Funny that cases of rape are being highlighted in this discussions. How about women like ME? I had an abortion early January. My very much wanted son had Trisomy 18-which is in NO WAY compatible with life. He would have survived maybe a few hours. His organs were formed outside of his body. I have 2 other children--could you imagine or fathom the trauma for me, for my DH and my children not to mention the excruciating pain my son would have endured? It's not a decision I made light-heartedly or wanted to make. I made my decision out of love. And the idea that a state has made this choice already for women like me is horrifying. I WAS protecting my unborn child.
I sincerely hope for those are so overwhelming against women having a choice that you never are faced with the decision to terminate a pregnancy.
Thank you for sharing your story!
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Posted by Ookpik
Funny that cases of rape are being highlighted in this discussions. How about women like ME? I had an abortion early January. My very much wanted son had Trisomy 18-which is in NO WAY compatible with life. He would have survived maybe a few hours. His organs were formed outside of his body. I have 2 other children--could you imagine or fathom the trauma for me, for my DH and my children not to mention the excruciating pain my son would have endured? It's not a decision I made light-heartedly or wanted to make. I made my decision out of love. And the idea that a state has made this choice already for women like me is horrifying. I WAS protecting my unborn child.
I sincerely hope for those are so overwhelming against women having a choice that you never are faced with the decision to terminate a pregnancy.
wow so unbelievably sorry, thanks for sharing
I cant imagine what you and yours must have went thru 
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
Oh yes, the "innocent unborn" with the birth defect that will most likely not allow the child to live hours after birth, and if they do, by some grace of God and medical intervention, cost both the child and their family years of suffering and hard times.
No one is in support of an abortion, it's not a fun thing. But, if it has to be one way or the other (and of course, it does) let women have the choice of what happens with their bodies.
I don't wish my life on anyone, but I would love for someone to step into my head when their was a severe abnormality that developed to my unborn child at 16 weeks. Step into my life when I had to make a decision to continue a pregnancy that would end in the child dying once it was born, or ending the pregnancy that I tried for months to get and cared for so carefully for the 21 weeks and 5 days I was pregnant for. Step into my life.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by mrsyoungmommy
Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
Oh yes, the "innocent unborn" with the birth defect that will most likely not allow the child to live hours after birth, and if they do, by some grace of God and medical intervention, cost both the child and their family years of suffering and hard times.
No one is in support of an abortion, it's not a fun thing. But, if it has to be one way or the other (and of course, it does) let women have the choice of what happens with their bodies.
I don't wish my life on anyone, but I would love for someone to step into my head when their was a severe abnormality that developed to my unborn child at 16 weeks. Step into my life when I had to make a decision to continue a pregnancy that would end in the child dying once it was born, or ending the pregnancy that I tried for months to get and cared for so carefully for the 21 weeks and 5 days I was pregnant for. Step into my life.
I'm with you 10000%. I was going to say-there are quite a few of us here on LIF that have had to make this decision. NO woman is ever happy to have an abortion. I get pissed off when I here people saying how disgraceful "late-term" abortions are. Does anyone seriously believe a woman who is 16+ weeks pregnant wakes up one day and decides to just get an abortion? It does not happen. For those of us who have had to make this decision due to genetic abnormalities-we are taking a stand for our unborn. Like I said earlier, I was protecting my son.
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Posted by Ookpik
Funny that cases of rape are being highlighted in this discussions. How about women like ME? I had an abortion early January. My very much wanted son had Trisomy 18-which is in NO WAY compatible with life. He would have survived maybe a few hours. His organs were formed outside of his body. I have 2 other children--could you imagine or fathom the trauma for me, for my DH and my children not to mention the excruciating pain my son would have endured? It's not a decision I made light-heartedly or wanted to make. I made my decision out of love. And the idea that a state has made this choice already for women like me is horrifying. I WAS protecting my unborn child.
I sincerely hope for those are so overwhelming against women having a choice that you never are faced with the decision to terminate a pregnancy.
I'm so sorry
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by mrsyoungmommy
Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
Oh yes, the "innocent unborn" with the birth defect that will most likely not allow the child to live hours after birth, and if they do, by some grace of God and medical intervention, cost both the child and their family years of suffering and hard times.
No one is in support of an abortion, it's not a fun thing. But, if it has to be one way or the other (and of course, it does) let women have the choice of what happens with their bodies.
I don't wish my life on anyone, but I would love for someone to step into my head when their was a severe abnormality that developed to my unborn child at 16 weeks. Step into my life when I had to make a decision to continue a pregnancy that would end in the child dying once it was born, or ending the pregnancy that I tried for months to get and cared for so carefully for the 21 weeks and 5 days I was pregnant for. Step into my life.
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by mrsyoungmommy
Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
Oh yes, the "innocent unborn" with the birth defect that will most likely not allow the child to live hours after birth, and if they do, by some grace of God and medical intervention, cost both the child and their family years of suffering and hard times.
No one is in support of an abortion, it's not a fun thing. But, if it has to be one way or the other (and of course, it does) let women have the choice of what happens with their bodies.
I don't wish my life on anyone, but I would love for someone to step into my head when their was a severe abnormality that developed to my unborn child at 16 weeks. Step into my life when I had to make a decision to continue a pregnancy that would end in the child dying once it was born, or ending the pregnancy that I tried for months to get and cared for so carefully for the 21 weeks and 5 days I was pregnant for. Step into my life.
I'm so sorry
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
ETA: Sorry so long!
There is this ridiculous perception of women who want abortions as being promiscuous and uncaring. Apparently many women are having sex without protection, getting pregnant, shrugging their shoulders, and scheduling an abortion. While I'm not denying women like that may exist (although I have never met or even heard of a woman like that), that does not give any of us the right to take the choice away from other women.
In fact, as of 2008, 61% of women who have abortions are already mothers. And the number one reason they give for having an abortion is so they can take care of the child/children they already have (see source below). Usually, this is referring to finances.
It's a terrible choice that nobody should have to make; do I stop working, take a pay cut, lose my home, become unable to feed my child, etc or do I terminate my pregnancy? With little support for such people (and an unending amount of judgment for those who do try to get help), many end up choosing abortion. If these support programs increased and judgment decreased, I think we would naturally see a decrease in abortions. Many families are stopping at one kid for the same reason.
And before you start talking about adoption, look at your state's "Waiting Children." These are the thousands of children who cannot get adopted due to race, age, medical/behavioral problems, cost, etc. Adoption sounds like the perfect answer, but it is not that simple.
In terms of being responsible with birth control, that doesn't always work. In the first year of my marriage, I took my BCP at the same time every day, just as I had for years. I never missed a day, not even of the placebos. Yet I found myself pregnant. If I had decided to have an abortion, would I have been scorned for being "irresponsible?" Would I have been told, "well, you shouldn't have had sex if you didn't want to get pregnant" even though I was having sex with my husband? Fervent pro-lifers sometimes seem to make these sweeping generalizations and judgments about women who choose to exercise their legal option of abortion. It is much too complex of an issue to do that.
And this is not even touching on some of the very serious issues many others have brought up, such as rape and the health of mom and baby.
Nobody can force any woman to have an abortion, no matter what, even if it is medically inadvisable to continue the pregnancy, even if she herself can be harmed (unless someone declares her incompetent to make medical decisions). She has that choice. Nobody should be able to force a woman to stay pregnant, either. That is just as vile.
In the end, we have to stop judging women. We judge the woman who has an abortion, regardless of her reason. We judge the single mom. We judge the teenage mom, even if she's going to give that child up for adoption. We judge the struggling mom who brings another kid into a poverty situation. The question then becomes this: can women do anything without a judgement being forced on them?
Source: http://jfi.sagepub.com/content/29/1/79.abstract
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gina409
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by mrsyoungmommy
Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
Oh yes, the "innocent unborn" with the birth defect that will most likely not allow the child to live hours after birth, and if they do, by some grace of God and medical intervention, cost both the child and their family years of suffering and hard times.
No one is in support of an abortion, it's not a fun thing. But, if it has to be one way or the other (and of course, it does) let women have the choice of what happens with their bodies.
I don't wish my life on anyone, but I would love for someone to step into my head when their was a severe abnormality that developed to my unborn child at 16 weeks. Step into my life when I had to make a decision to continue a pregnancy that would end in the child dying once it was born, or ending the pregnancy that I tried for months to get and cared for so carefully for the 21 weeks and 5 days I was pregnant for. Step into my life.
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meloyellow
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
I think there is too much focus on legislation and not enough on education.
I think people should have a right to access abortions should they choose to do so. I'm not gonna lie, It pains me when people do it out of irresponsibility (not using protection, not THINKING about what their personal consequences would be beforehand) But that is not every case.
In my eyes a baby in the womb is just as alive as a baby out of the womb. BUT It's not my job to make decisions for others. All I can do is hope that the government stop trying to regulate it bc in all honesty that doesn't help anything. I don't want people dying or doing wire hanger self abortions again. I'd rather they focus on education and outreach because I think that's our best bet at lowering abortion rates.
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ElizaRags35
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by LeeCR7
ETA: Sorry so long!
There is this ridiculous perception of women who want abortions as being promiscuous and uncaring. Apparently many women are having sex without protection, getting pregnant, shrugging their shoulders, and scheduling an abortion. While I'm not denying women like that may exist (although I have never met or even heard of a woman like that), that does not give any of us the right to take the choice away from other women.
In fact, as of 2008, 61% of women who have abortions are already mothers. And the number one reason they give for having an abortion is so they can take care of the child/children they already have (see source below). Usually, this is referring to finances.
It's a terrible choice that nobody should have to make; do I stop working, take a pay cut, lose my home, become unable to feed my child, etc or do I terminate my pregnancy? With little support for such people (and an unending amount of judgment for those who do try to get help), many end up choosing abortion. If these support programs increased and judgment decreased, I think we would naturally see a decrease in abortions. Many families are stopping at one kid for the same reason.
And before you start talking about adoption, look at your state's "Waiting Children." These are the thousands of children who cannot get adopted due to race, age, medical/behavioral problems, cost, etc. Adoption sounds like the perfect answer, but it is not that simple.
In terms of being responsible with birth control, that doesn't always work. In the first year of my marriage, I took my BCP at the same time every day, just as I had for years. I never missed a day, not even of the placebos. Yet I found myself pregnant. If I had decided to have an abortion, would I have been scorned for being "irresponsible?" Would I have been told, "well, you shouldn't have had sex if you didn't want to get pregnant" even though I was having sex with my husband? Fervent pro-lifers sometimes seem to make these sweeping generalizations and judgments about women who choose to exercise their legal option of abortion. It is much too complex of an issue to do that.
And this is not even touching on some of the very serious issues many others have brought up, such as rape and the health of mom and baby.
Nobody can force any woman to have an abortion, no matter what, even if it is medically inadvisable to continue the pregnancy, even if she herself can be harmed (unless someone declares her incompetent to make medical decisions). She has that choice. Nobody should be able to force a woman to stay pregnant, either. That is just as vile.
In the end, we have to stop judging women. We judge the woman who has an abortion, regardless of her reason. We judge the single mom. We judge the teenage mom, even if she's going to give that child up for adoption. We judge the struggling mom who brings another kid into a poverty situation. The question then becomes this: can women do anything without a judgement being forced on them?
Source: http://jfi.sagepub.com/content/29/1/79.abstract
As always, great post on the topic!
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Re: North Dakota governor signs "heartbeat" abortion ban
Posted by BeachGrl
Posted by ThePinkGoose
Posted by Denise
Wow! This is totally fantastic. At least somebody is taking a stand for the innocent unborn!
I agree!! I'm thrilled to hear about this. Also asking that I don't start a debate on this. This is my opinion and i'm entitled to it. Not bashing anyone else's views so please respect mine.
I agree wholeheartedly. And I also agree with one of the other PP who said rape and incest are the minority, not the majority. I feel at the very least, the majority should definitely abide by this type of law bc too many people are taking advantage.
I agree. I'm pro-life and have been for a very long time. The whole rape argument (while valid) seems so silly, since it encompasses such a small part of the population. I'm willing to put my money on the fact that more people use abortion as a form of birth control rather than a consequence of rape.
On a side note these boards amaze me. No one is critisizing anyone for being pro-choice, why is it that others that are pro life are being bashed?!?! Just like I respect your opinion, I agree with the other poster who said please respect mine.
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