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PrincessP
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by stayandjohn
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Posted by kahlua716
I don't get how people can change their views 
If you are pro-choice- but become a mom and then say you are pro-life- wouldn't that mean you were pro-life the whole time?
This is just my opinion, but ask anyone on the pregnancy board and I'm sure 9 out of 10 people will tell you they felt an instant connection to their babies as soon as they got their BFP. Women who are trying to get pregnant dont think of their babies as "tissue" or "products of conception" they think of them as their son or daughter, they have nicknames for them. I think thats the reason why many women "change their views" on the abortion issue.
Yes I am pro-life and I believe that life does begin at conception, and if a friend of mine were in that situation that she had to choose abortion, I would be beside her. I stood beside a friend who had 5, including one at 5 months.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!...BUT...heck this isnt what the poster even asked.
She asked how can people who were pro-choice suddenly become pro-life after they had children. I believe that abortion has a lot to do with how people see whats going on with their bodies. Women who want their babies refer to them as babies where as women who choose abortions see the contents of their uterus as "tissue" and "product of conception". I think any woman who has had a baby would feel differently about abortion after going through a pregnancy
I know...
I wasnt referring to your response. I was referring to her questioning women who had children and changed their decisions about abortion. Its life it happens, opinions change... BUT regardless its still not relevent to the question being asked. WHo cares if my opinion changed after dd....
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kahlua716
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
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Posted by kahlua716
I don't get how people can change their views
If you are pro-choice- but become a mom and then say you are pro-life- wouldn't that mean you were pro-life the whole time?
for me, abortion wasn't an option for me, but I guess I was lucky that i was never in a situation where I had to make a choice. Not having an abortion was my choice, doesn't make me pro-life.
But you are not pro-life now that you've had kids. I was pretty much directing my question to those who changed their stance. But I appreciate the response anyway 
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pinkandblue
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by stayandjohn
Posted by kahlua716
I don't get how people can change their views
If you are pro-choice- but become a mom and then say you are pro-life- wouldn't that mean you were pro-life the whole time?
This is just my opinion, but ask anyone on the pregnancy board and I'm sure 9 out of 10 people will tell you they felt an instant connection to their babies as soon as they got their BFP. Women who are trying to get pregnant dont think of their babies as "tissue" or "products of conception" they think of them as their son or daughter, they have nicknames for them. I think thats the reason why many women "change their views" on the abortion issue.
Yes I am pro-life and I believe that life does begin at conception, and if a friend of mine were in that situation that she had to choose abortion, I would be beside her. I stood beside a friend who had 5, including one at 5 months.
I just want to add, that I too, have a dc and I STILL support the right to choose. It DOES NOT mean that I, personally would choose to have an abortion
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
I get that personally someone who has had a baby could change their mind. Heck, people change their minds about a lot of things.
BUT, I don't understand how ANY woman would be willing to GIVE UP HER RIGHT to CHOOSE what to do with HER BODY.
You don't have to be in favor of abortion, but what give ANYONE the right to TELL SOMEONE ELSE what they can do with theirs?
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stayandjohn
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by stayandjohn
Posted by kahlua716
I don't get how people can change their views
If you are pro-choice- but become a mom and then say you are pro-life- wouldn't that mean you were pro-life the whole time?
This is just my opinion, but ask anyone on the pregnancy board and I'm sure 9 out of 10 people will tell you they felt an instant connection to their babies as soon as they got their BFP. Women who are trying to get pregnant dont think of their babies as "tissue" or "products of conception" they think of them as their son or daughter, they have nicknames for them. I think thats the reason why many women "change their views" on the abortion issue.
Yes I am pro-life and I believe that life does begin at conception, and if a friend of mine were in that situation that she had to choose abortion, I would be beside her. I stood beside a friend who had 5, including one at 5 months.
forgive me if I am mistaken,
but this to me sounds like you would PERSONALLY chose life but wouldn't take the CHOICE FROM your friend, which is what MY PERSONAL definition of being pro-CHOICE is.
having a personal belief, but allowing others to have the same freedom to have a belief of their own.
Well see it as you will, but I can tell you I'm very pro-life. I vote for pro-life candidates, and I contribute to my church's anti-abortion crisis center. I couldnt change my friends mind about what she was doing, but I did sit with her while she cried for days about what she had done.
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stayandjohn
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by PrincessP
Posted by stayandjohn
Posted by PrincessP
Posted by stayandjohn
Posted by kahlua716
I don't get how people can change their views
If you are pro-choice- but become a mom and then say you are pro-life- wouldn't that mean you were pro-life the whole time?
This is just my opinion, but ask anyone on the pregnancy board and I'm sure 9 out of 10 people will tell you they felt an instant connection to their babies as soon as they got their BFP. Women who are trying to get pregnant dont think of their babies as "tissue" or "products of conception" they think of them as their son or daughter, they have nicknames for them. I think thats the reason why many women "change their views" on the abortion issue.
Yes I am pro-life and I believe that life does begin at conception, and if a friend of mine were in that situation that she had to choose abortion, I would be beside her. I stood beside a friend who had 5, including one at 5 months.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!...BUT...heck this isnt what the poster even asked.
She asked how can people who were pro-choice suddenly become pro-life after they had children. I believe that abortion has a lot to do with how people see whats going on with their bodies. Women who want their babies refer to them as babies where as women who choose abortions see the contents of their uterus as "tissue" and "product of conception". I think any woman who has had a baby would feel differently about abortion after going through a pregnancy
I know...
I wasnt referring to your response. I was referring to her questioning women who had children and changed their decisions about abortion. Its life it happens, opinions change... BUT regardless its still not relevent to the question being asked. WHo cares if my opinion changed after dd....
ohh sorry
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Being a parent, I don't think I could ever have an abortion. I know I didn't feel that way before I had DD. In fact, during a pregnancy scare I considered it. (Turns out it was nothing)
HOWEVER, even though abortion may never be right for me, who the heck am I to tell the woman down the street what she should do with her body. Hence, I am still PRO-CHOICE!!!!
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kahlua716
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by PrincessP
Posted by stayandjohn
Posted by PrincessP
Posted by stayandjohn
Posted by kahlua716
I don't get how people can change their views
If you are pro-choice- but become a mom and then say you are pro-life- wouldn't that mean you were pro-life the whole time?
This is just my opinion, but ask anyone on the pregnancy board and I'm sure 9 out of 10 people will tell you they felt an instant connection to their babies as soon as they got their BFP. Women who are trying to get pregnant dont think of their babies as "tissue" or "products of conception" they think of them as their son or daughter, they have nicknames for them. I think thats the reason why many women "change their views" on the abortion issue.
Yes I am pro-life and I believe that life does begin at conception, and if a friend of mine were in that situation that she had to choose abortion, I would be beside her. I stood beside a friend who had 5, including one at 5 months.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!...BUT...heck this isnt what the poster even asked.
She asked how can people who were pro-choice suddenly become pro-life after they had children. I believe that abortion has a lot to do with how people see whats going on with their bodies. Women who want their babies refer to them as babies where as women who choose abortions see the contents of their uterus as "tissue" and "product of conception". I think any woman who has had a baby would feel differently about abortion after going through a pregnancy
I know...
I wasnt referring to your response. I was referring to her questioning women who had children and changed their decisions about abortion. Its life it happens, opinions change... BUT regardless its still not relevent to the question being asked. WHo cares if my opinion changed after dd....
Sor-ry! Didn't mean to offend anyone by asking a question.
Next time I'll start the first of many spinoff threads.
To the OP- I apologize for hijacking by starting a small debate. I hope you aren't offended.
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pinkandblue
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by shiv
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and I want to add that I think the term "pro-life" is deceptive. I mean, just because I am pro-choice, does not mean I am "anti-life"....
But the result of an abortion is the death of a baby...
Most scientists would disagree.
well everyone on this board knows what happens at the end of 9 months, so it's what you believe that matters.
It is VERY rare to have an abortion after 9 months.
So, as you said...it's your BELIEF that matters. But, the facts say differently.
I can go into the medical reasoning behind why it is a human upon conception if you would like. But what I was getting at is that we all know what the baby in the womb will be, so don't kid yourself that it's not life that is being killed.
Also, I wanted to add- although gruesome, if you saw an actual sonogram of an abortion take place, you would have a very different opinion of that "embryo". The child struggles to survive the abortion just like anyone human would a murder.
wow, and here is where the post goes to hell
Just say you are pro-life and leave it at that
Not EVERYONE thinks life begins at conception, no matter how you try to "convince" people
and let me reiterate...that even though I am pro-choice does not mean that I am pro-abortion or would CHOOSE one for myself.....
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Ophelia
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by stayandjohn
forgive me if I am mistaken,
but this to me sounds like you would PERSONALLY chose life but wouldn't take the CHOICE FROM your friend, which is what MY PERSONAL definition of being pro-CHOICE is.
having a personal belief, but allowing others to have the same freedom to have a belief of their own.
Well see it as you will, but I can tell you I'm very pro-life. I vote for pro-life candidates, and I contribute to my church's anti-abortion crisis center. I couldnt change my friends mind about what she was doing, but I did sit with her while she cried for days about what she had done.
I am sorry if I offended you.
it seems like you've also seen how HARD it is for MOST women to come to such a decision.
I too, am pro life for my personal self. I would chose to give life to my child under almost every circumstance, if God should see fit to bless me with one in the first place.
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GioiaMia
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by Jennie0898
I get that personally someone who has had a baby could change their mind. Heck, people change their minds about a lot of things.
BUT, I don't understand how ANY woman would be willing to GIVE UP HER RIGHT to CHOOSE what to do with HER BODY.
You don't have to be in favor of abortion, but what give ANYONE the right to TELL SOMEONE ELSE what they can do with theirs?
Forgive me if I don't explain this clearly - I am not sure how to word it without being offensive.
I am NOT giving up the right to choose what happens to my body. I CHOOSE to not get pregnant, and if an accident happens I CHOOSE to not have an abortion.
All women are welcome to the same choices. They can all make decisions to avoid unwanted pregnancy. Nothing is 100% though so if you can't accept a child into your life - then you shouldn't have sex. That doesn't mean you have to be married or over a certain age.
Okay, so there is a small percentage of women who get pregnant after being raped. I struggle with that part of it. . . which is why earlier I said I am 10% unsure. In my mind, a baby is a life from the point of conception so I can't even feel like it is okay in that situation because it is not the baby's fault. . .
I hope I made sense!
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stayandjohn
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by Erica
Posted by kahlua716
I don't get how people can change their views
If you are pro-choice- but become a mom and then say you are pro-life- wouldn't that mean you were pro-life the whole time?
for me, abortion wasn't an option for me, but I guess I was lucky that i was never in a situation where I had to make a choice. Not having an abortion was my choice, doesn't make me pro-life.
Posted by stayandjohn
This is just my opinion, but ask anyone on the pregnancy board and I'm sure 9 out of 10 people will tell you they felt an instant connection to their babies as soon as they got their BFP.
Well, I guess I'm the 1 in 10, so I guess I don't get the choice, since I'm in the minority? I love my kids to death, but did not have an instant connection to them while I was pregnant. It happened much later - after they were born.
Posted by stayandjohn
I think any woman who has had a baby would feel differently about abortion after going through a pregnancy
I held my niece's hand after I had my first son.
Like I said it was "My Opinion".
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Gatsbygirl
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
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100% pro-choice
ditto
keep your laws off of my body please
Nicely said. I am 100% pro choice. If you don't want an abortion, don't have one, leave my decisions up to me.
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Ophelia
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by shiv
I can go into the medical reasoning behind why it is a human upon conception if you would like. But what I was getting at is that we all know what the baby in the womb will be, so don't kid yourself that it's not life that is being killed.
Also, I wanted to add- although gruesome, if you saw an actual sonogram of an abortion take place, you would have a very different opinion of that "embryo". The child struggles to survive the abortion just like anyone human would a murder.
please go into all the reasoning and also include your experience and medical background.
I'd also love to know how many procedures you've personally witnessed and how/when/and where you've seen these sonograms.
I am asking only b/c I'd love to be made more aware by someone who really knows, and it not just going by what someone else has said/shown them. If you are that authority, please share.
informed information can change my mind.
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stayandjohn
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by stayandjohn
forgive me if I am mistaken,
but this to me sounds like you would PERSONALLY chose life but wouldn't take the CHOICE FROM your friend, which is what MY PERSONAL definition of being pro-CHOICE is.
having a personal belief, but allowing others to have the same freedom to have a belief of their own.
Well see it as you will, but I can tell you I'm very pro-life. I vote for pro-life candidates, and I contribute to my church's anti-abortion crisis center. I couldnt change my friends mind about what she was doing, but I did sit with her while she cried for days about what she had done.
I am sorry if I offended you.
it seems like you've also seen how HARD it is for MOST women to come to such a decision.
I too, am pro life for my personal self. I would chose to give life to my child under almost every circumstance, if God should see fit to bless me with one in the first place.
Not offended in the least 
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Pro-Choice
I was pro-choice before children and my views have not changed even though I'm now a mother of 2.
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maybebaby
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
People who are pro life like myself have a hard time understanding how women can choose to end a life which is why the first thought goes to the baby or fetus (whatever you would like to label it). There are alternatives to abortion that I and others think are better.
We are all human......and we all feel differently!! That is what makes us human. Some of us can disconnect ourselves from thinking of an embryo as a life. BUT for me, it isn't just tissue and cells. To me I see a baby...and it is hard to explain to someone pro choice that overhwhelming feeling of the need to protect human life.
Most of my friends are pro choice. It doesn't bother me because they feel the way they do for a reason and at the end of the day I know where I stand, I know why I feel the way I do and I am the only one that has to answer to myself!
I am not blind to the fact that abortions occur every day...and it's a sad fact. And i know that pro choice people wish that weren't the case either!! I mean, no one walks around gloating and being proud of the process that abortion is..if they did, that would be sick. But I know it happens...has happened and will always happen.
That is why I am making a committment to get involved more with my church and help other women going through pregnancy crisis. I want them to know the alternatives to abortion and I'd like to also educate young women about the subject. It shouldn't ever have to be a choice.
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
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Posted by Jennie0898
I get that personally someone who has had a baby could change their mind. Heck, people change their minds about a lot of things.
BUT, I don't understand how ANY woman would be willing to GIVE UP HER RIGHT to CHOOSE what to do with HER BODY.
You don't have to be in favor of abortion, but what give ANYONE the right to TELL SOMEONE ELSE what they can do with theirs?
Forgive me if I don't explain this clearly - I am not sure how to word it without being offensive.
I am NOT giving up the right to choose what happens to my body. I CHOOSE to not get pregnant, and if an accident happens I CHOOSE to not have an abortion.
All women are welcome to the same choices. They can all make decisions to avoid unwanted pregnancy. Nothing is 100% though so if you can't accept a child into your life - then you shouldn't have sex. That doesn't mean you have to be married or over a certain age.
Okay, so there is a small percentage of women who get pregnant after being raped. I struggle with that part of it. . . which is why earlier I said I am 10% unsure. In my mind, a baby is a life from the point of conception so I can't even feel like it is okay in that situation because it is not the baby's fault. . .
I hope I made sense!
You absolutely made sense, but from what I read, that's YOUR belief.
My stand is that while *I* may never want to abort a pregnancy (planned or not) I would not want the right for *someone else* to make a different decision. KWIM?
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by Tilde
Posted by Jennie0898
I get that personally someone who has had a baby could change their mind. Heck, people change their minds about a lot of things.
BUT, I don't understand how ANY woman would be willing to GIVE UP HER RIGHT to CHOOSE what to do with HER BODY.
You don't have to be in favor of abortion, but what give ANYONE the right to TELL SOMEONE ELSE what they can do with theirs?
Forgive me if I don't explain this clearly - I am not sure how to word it without being offensive.
I am NOT giving up the right to choose what happens to my body. I CHOOSE to not get pregnant, and if an accident happens I CHOOSE to not have an abortion.
All women are welcome to the same choices. They can all make decisions to avoid unwanted pregnancy. Nothing is 100% though so if you can't accept a child into your life - then you shouldn't have sex. That doesn't mean you have to be married or over a certain age.
Okay, so there is a small percentage of women who get pregnant after being raped. I struggle with that part of it. . . which is why earlier I said I am 10% unsure. In my mind, a baby is a life from the point of conception so I can't even feel like it is okay in that situation because it is not the baby's fault. . .
I hope I made sense!
You absolutely made sense, but from what I read, that's YOUR belief.
My stand is that while *I* may never want to abort a pregnancy (planned or not) I would not want the right for *someone else* to make a different decision. KWIM?
I know exactly what you're saying, but I think most pro-lifers view it as, who is giving that embryo/fetus the choice? The point is, that "baby" doesn't have a voice. So, people feel like they have to be the voice for that child...being that most certainly that child would not choose to be aborted.
I'm not saying I'm a pro-lifer, I'm just saying that this is why their views make sense to me.
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GioiaMia
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by LaurenExp
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by Tilde
Posted by Jennie0898
I get that personally someone who has had a baby could change their mind. Heck, people change their minds about a lot of things.
BUT, I don't understand how ANY woman would be willing to GIVE UP HER RIGHT to CHOOSE what to do with HER BODY.
You don't have to be in favor of abortion, but what give ANYONE the right to TELL SOMEONE ELSE what they can do with theirs?
Forgive me if I don't explain this clearly - I am not sure how to word it without being offensive.
I am NOT giving up the right to choose what happens to my body. I CHOOSE to not get pregnant, and if an accident happens I CHOOSE to not have an abortion.
All women are welcome to the same choices. They can all make decisions to avoid unwanted pregnancy. Nothing is 100% though so if you can't accept a child into your life - then you shouldn't have sex. That doesn't mean you have to be married or over a certain age.
Okay, so there is a small percentage of women who get pregnant after being raped. I struggle with that part of it. . . which is why earlier I said I am 10% unsure. In my mind, a baby is a life from the point of conception so I can't even feel like it is okay in that situation because it is not the baby's fault. . .
I hope I made sense!
You absolutely made sense, but from what I read, that's YOUR belief.
My stand is that while *I* may never want to abort a pregnancy (planned or not) I would not want the right for *someone else* to make a different decision. KWIM?
I know exactly what you're saying, but I think most pro-lifers view it as, who is giving that embryo/fetus the choice? The point is, that "baby" doesn't have a voice. So, people feel like they have to be the voice for that child...being that most certainly that child would not choose to be aborted.
I'm not saying I'm a pro-lifer, I'm just saying that this is why their views make sense to me.
I undersand being pro-choice because I don't claim to know it all and I don't claim to be smarter than a woman who has an abortion. . . .but for me I could never VOTE pro choice because by doing so I feel as though I AM supporting abortion. In my mind, I cannot keep those two things separate.
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shiv
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by maybebaby
People who are pro life like myself have a hard time understanding how women can choose to end a life which is why the first thought goes to the baby or fetus (whatever you would like to label it). There are alternatives to abortion that I and others think are better.
We are all human......and we all feel differently!! That is what makes us human. Some of us can disconnect ourselves from thinking of an embryo as a life. BUT for me, it isn't just tissue and cells. To me I see a baby...and it is hard to explain to someone pro choice that overhwhelming feeling of the need to protect human life.
Most of my friends are pro choice. It doesn't bother me because they feel the way they do for a reason and at the end of the day I know where I stand, I know why I feel the way I do and I am the only one that has to answer to myself!
I am not blind to the fact that abortions occur every day...and it's a sad fact. And i know that pro choice people wish that weren't the case either!! I mean, no one walks around gloating and being proud of the process that abortion is..if they did, that would be sick. But I know it happens...has happened and will always happen.
That is why I am making a committment to get involved more with my church and help other women going through pregnancy crisis. I want them to know the alternatives to abortion and I'd like to also educate young women about the subject. It shouldn't ever have to be a choice.
very well said. This is a very heated topic for me, I have been part of the pro-life community since I was young and have seen alot. I get very emotional over you it, but you said it very well.
I am the daughter of a wonderful women who has saved 100's of teenage girls from a life of struggling. She runs homes on LI for teenage mothers who have no place to go, are thrown out of their homes or were homeless to begin with. Some of these girls lived with us before the homes were started. She gives these girls the choice of life, so they don't have to choice abortion. If you want info on her organization, FM me.
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
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Posted by Tilde
Posted by Jennie0898
I get that personally someone who has had a baby could change their mind. Heck, people change their minds about a lot of things.
BUT, I don't understand how ANY woman would be willing to GIVE UP HER RIGHT to CHOOSE what to do with HER BODY.
You don't have to be in favor of abortion, but what give ANYONE the right to TELL SOMEONE ELSE what they can do with theirs?
Forgive me if I don't explain this clearly - I am not sure how to word it without being offensive.
I am NOT giving up the right to choose what happens to my body. I CHOOSE to not get pregnant, and if an accident happens I CHOOSE to not have an abortion.
All women are welcome to the same choices. They can all make decisions to avoid unwanted pregnancy. Nothing is 100% though so if you can't accept a child into your life - then you shouldn't have sex. That doesn't mean you have to be married or over a certain age.
Okay, so there is a small percentage of women who get pregnant after being raped. I struggle with that part of it. . . which is why earlier I said I am 10% unsure. In my mind, a baby is a life from the point of conception so I can't even feel like it is okay in that situation because it is not the baby's fault. . .
I hope I made sense!
You absolutely made sense, but from what I read, that's YOUR belief.
My stand is that while *I* may never want to abort a pregnancy (planned or not) I would not want the right for *someone else* to make a different decision. KWIM?
I know exactly what you're saying, but I think most pro-lifers view it as, who is giving that embryo/fetus the choice? The point is, that "baby" doesn't have a voice. So, people feel like they have to be the voice for that child...being that most certainly that child would not choose to be aborted.
I'm not saying I'm a pro-lifer, I'm just saying that this is why their views make sense to me.
this exactly sums up the way I and most pro lifers I assume feel...
We are pro life because the baby cannot speak for itself. And neither can a newborn but we go to great lengths to protect them. The separation from womb to the outside world changes nothing for me personally...and that is why I'm pro life. Doesn't mean I have anything against anyone pro choice because I honestly DO understand their viewpoints!! I just have a differing one!
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| Posted 6/10/08 12:27 PM |
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Ophelia
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remember, when Gulliver traveled....
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by LaurenExp
I know exactly what you're saying, but I think most pro-lifers view it as, who is giving that embryo/fetus the choice? The point is, that "baby" doesn't have a voice. So, people feel like they have to be the voice for that child...being that most certainly that child would not choose to be aborted.
I'm not saying I'm a pro-lifer, I'm just saying that this is why their views make sense to me.
there are far worse things that can happen to an unwanted baby than an abortion.
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| Posted 6/10/08 12:28 PM |
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shiv
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by shiv
I can go into the medical reasoning behind why it is a human upon conception if you would like. But what I was getting at is that we all know what the baby in the womb will be, so don't kid yourself that it's not life that is being killed.
Also, I wanted to add- although gruesome, if you saw an actual sonogram of an abortion take place, you would have a very different opinion of that "embryo". The child struggles to survive the abortion just like anyone human would a murder.
please go into all the reasoning and also include your experience and medical background.
I'd also love to know how many procedures you've personally witnessed and how/when/and where you've seen these sonograms.
I am asking only b/c I'd love to be made more aware by someone who really knows, and it not just going by what someone else has said/shown them. If you are that authority, please share.
informed information can change my mind.
I never said I was in the medical field, but I can copy and paste! This is one of the medical arguments for human at conception:
The medical arguments against abortion are compelling. For example, at conception the embryo is genetically distinct from the mother. To say that the developing baby is no different from the mother's appendix is scientifically inaccurate. A developing embryo is genetically different from the mother. A developing embryo is also genetically different from the sperm and egg that created it. A human being has 46 chromosomes (sometimes 47 chromosomes). Sperm and egg have 23 chromosomes. A trained geneticist can distinguish between the DNA of an embryo and that of a sperm and egg. But that same geneticist could not distinguish between the DNA of a developing embryo and a full-grown human being.
and yes, I have seen a sonogram of an abortion and it was real. I'm sure you can find a copy at the local right-to-life office if you would like to see for yourself.
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| Posted 6/10/08 12:29 PM |
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by Tilde
Posted by LaurenExp
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by Tilde
Posted by Jennie0898
I get that personally someone who has had a baby could change their mind. Heck, people change their minds about a lot of things.
BUT, I don't understand how ANY woman would be willing to GIVE UP HER RIGHT to CHOOSE what to do with HER BODY.
You don't have to be in favor of abortion, but what give ANYONE the right to TELL SOMEONE ELSE what they can do with theirs?
Forgive me if I don't explain this clearly - I am not sure how to word it without being offensive.
I am NOT giving up the right to choose what happens to my body. I CHOOSE to not get pregnant, and if an accident happens I CHOOSE to not have an abortion.
All women are welcome to the same choices. They can all make decisions to avoid unwanted pregnancy. Nothing is 100% though so if you can't accept a child into your life - then you shouldn't have sex. That doesn't mean you have to be married or over a certain age.
Okay, so there is a small percentage of women who get pregnant after being raped. I struggle with that part of it. . . which is why earlier I said I am 10% unsure. In my mind, a baby is a life from the point of conception so I can't even feel like it is okay in that situation because it is not the baby's fault. . .
I hope I made sense!
You absolutely made sense, but from what I read, that's YOUR belief.
My stand is that while *I* may never want to abort a pregnancy (planned or not) I would not want the right for *someone else* to make a different decision. KWIM?
I know exactly what you're saying, but I think most pro-lifers view it as, who is giving that embryo/fetus the choice? The point is, that "baby" doesn't have a voice. So, people feel like they have to be the voice for that child...being that most certainly that child would not choose to be aborted.
I'm not saying I'm a pro-lifer, I'm just saying that this is why their views make sense to me.
I undersand being pro-choice because I don't claim to know it all and I don't claim to be smarter than a woman who has an abortion. . . .but for me I could never VOTE pro choice because by doing so I feel as though I AM supporting abortion. In my mind, I cannot keep those two things separate.
Interesting.
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