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headoverheels
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by maybebaby
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by maybebaby
See...these are where these threads turn nasty...
Most people on here are pro choice and that is fine! But when someone pro life tries to explain why they are that way, then the claws come out...I mean, why can't people accept that this is our view and that is that?? I am not picketing and screaming in faces and showing gruesome pictures to prove my values...so why not accept it??
the only ugliness I saw was the reference to being a murderer. or supporting MURDER.
I think at that point, I have a right to speak my mind about things. 
Of course you do! I never used that word...and I didn't read it, I guess I missed it??
I was referring to the fact that when someone answers who is pro life and they state why they are, there are often remarks from others as to falsehoods, the agenda of pro life campaigns etc...I mean, we obviously have strong feelings about it to be told it's all false or wrong or whatever you want to call it is not right..that is how i feel.
i think the difference is that there was a poster who alluded to "facts" about abortion - i don't believe anyone who stated that they are pro-choice made any reference to any facts to support their opinion. not saying that you did - i believe it was Shiv that did so. that kind of opens the door for her, or another poster presenting facts, to be "questioned" about where those facts came from.
i would never demand that anyone tell me why they are pro-life, it's a VERY personal choice, but i appreciate when pro-lifers volunteer that information. the more you know, you know?
Message edited 6/10/2008 12:53:55 PM.
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shiv
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by maybebaby
See...these are where these threads turn nasty...
Most people on here are pro choice and that is fine! But when someone pro life tries to explain why they are that way, then the claws come out...I mean, why can't people accept that this is our view and that is that?? I am not picketing and screaming in faces and showing gruesome pictures to prove my values...so why not accept it??
the only ugliness I saw was the reference to being a murderer. or supporting MURDER.
I think at that point, I have a right to speak my mind about things.
i never called anyone a murderer, I said and I quote:
"The child struggles to survive the abortion just like anyone human would a murder."
meaning they resist the abortion,
just wanted to clarify
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| Posted 6/10/08 12:54 PM |
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
I am pro-life. I think the right to life begins at conception.
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| Posted 6/10/08 12:55 PM |
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maybebaby
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by maybebaby
But in my view, that isn't true. I mean, yes...an unwanted baby could lead a very hard life...but so could a "wanted" baby depending on circumstances.
And many children who were born yet unwanted have triumphed over obstacles and hardships and become great people in society...
Just showing a different viewpoint.
your hopeful outlook is just that...the realities of these situations are grim and gruesome.
I am only hopeful because I have witnessed children overcome very tough situations.
I taught at a boys school where they were all underpriveledged and neglected kids who happened to be very intelligent...they were in this program which was free that gave them the tools to succeed on their high school entrance exams. It's amazing to see how these kids who were surrounded by evil and poverty and neglect became something great..whether it was to be teachers themselves, or counsel youth in crisis etc..
Believe me...I've seen the good, the bad and the ugly..and the ugly is depressing, upsetting etc...but when you see good as well you have a more hopeful outlook i guess..
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| Posted 6/10/08 12:56 PM |
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Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
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remember, when Gulliver traveled....
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by shiv
i never called anyone a murderer, I said and I quote:
"The child struggles to survive the abortion just like anyone human would a murder."
meaning they resist the abortion,
just wanted to clarify
I was really referring to this comment and what it alluded to, IMO.
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Posted by stephanief
and I want to add that I think the term "pro-life" is deceptive. I mean, just because I am pro-choice, does not mean I am "anti-life"....
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But the result of an abortion is the death of a baby, and you support the choice to have an abortion, so...
P.S. I'm pro-life
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| Posted 6/10/08 12:57 PM |
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maybebaby
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by maybebaby
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by maybebaby
See...these are where these threads turn nasty...
Most people on here are pro choice and that is fine! But when someone pro life tries to explain why they are that way, then the claws come out...I mean, why can't people accept that this is our view and that is that?? I am not picketing and screaming in faces and showing gruesome pictures to prove my values...so why not accept it??
the only ugliness I saw was the reference to being a murderer. or supporting MURDER.
I think at that point, I have a right to speak my mind about things.
Of course you do! I never used that word...and I didn't read it, I guess I missed it??
I was referring to the fact that when someone answers who is pro life and they state why they are, there are often remarks from others as to falsehoods, the agenda of pro life campaigns etc...I mean, we obviously have strong feelings about it to be told it's all false or wrong or whatever you want to call it is not right..that is how i feel.
perhaps you are right. but it has been proven that there are pro "life" centers that DO fabricate "evidence" to scare the heck out of people.
I don't trust ANYONE that is for or against either way, you know.
I can understand this.
Which is why I am getting involved in helping to decrease the needs for abortion (through education) as opposed to walking around picketing and screaming that it is murder and scaring people with horrifying images. I think that is the WRONG approach and believe me..I live in DC and I see people walking around with images of aborted fetuses. It turns my stomach, makes me sick and it is not the route to go...
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pinkandblue
Our family is complete, maybe
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by shiv
i never called anyone a murderer, I said and I quote:
"The child struggles to survive the abortion just like anyone human would a murder."
meaning they resist the abortion,
just wanted to clarify
I was really referring to this comment and what it alluded to, IMO.
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Posted by stephanief
and I want to add that I think the term "pro-life" is deceptive. I mean, just because I am pro-choice, does not mean I am "anti-life"....
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But the result of an abortion is the death of a baby, and you support the choice to have an abortion, so...
P.S. I'm pro-life
right, the so......part made ME feel like you were saying that I AM anti-life even after I explained myself....that was uncalled for regardless of your personal feelings.
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Kathy042806
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Pro-choice
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MrsPorkChop
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
i am not exactly on one side.
i disapprove of abortion as birth control
however i do think that if mother is in harms way, incest, rape or anything like that abortion ahould and would definitely be an option.
i also do beleive in the morning after pill.
it is the late term abortions used as birth control that i completely disapprove of
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neener1211
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
This thread is starting to bother me, because it started out as a simple question.
As it goes back and forth with people trying to coerce the other side to understand where they are coming from, there will never be a clear cut belief because everyone is different.
I would have never in a million years have had an abortion-I believe a life starts from the moment that baby is conceived. But that does not mean that I don't believe someone should not have that option if there is a reason other than birth control.
Then we had a baby with a deformity- the baby did not even know it existed because it had no brain. We decided to induce labor at 20 weeks, the alternative was a D&E, which I felt in my heart was more of an abortion (my own feelings). Two months later after fighting with the insurance company, I saw that the doctor had labeled the procedure as Abortion on the records to the Insurance Company.
I cannot tell you how much to this day it bothers me that I was in a situation that I had to make a life altering decision for the life of myself and my child, and it was labeled as an Abortion-when I truly didn't feel it was. It literally kills me everyday to think that someone else in this world thinks I voluntarily killed my child and my baby was a statistic.
In my eyes, I am not able to live with myself for what I decided to do, and I would not have been able to live with myself if I had brought that baby into this world to suffer. I would have had the same outcome in both circumstances-grief, sadness and a bit of my heart missing.
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azoodie
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Pro-choice
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shiv
Twinsanity!!
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by shiv
i never called anyone a murderer, I said and I quote:
"The child struggles to survive the abortion just like anyone human would a murder."
meaning they resist the abortion,
just wanted to clarify
I was really referring to this comment and what it alluded to, IMO.
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Posted by stephanief
and I want to add that I think the term "pro-life" is deceptive. I mean, just because I am pro-choice, does not mean I am "anti-life"....
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But the result of an abortion is the death of a baby, and you support the choice to have an abortion, so...
P.S. I'm pro-life
It's getting at the same thing I've been saying, the so... you support a women right to end the life of her child.
That's based on my belief that life begins at conception. I than went on to state one of the reasons I believe life begins at conception because someone stated that most doctors would disagree with that.
If your pro-choice and don't believe life begins at conception, then you would not come to that same conclusion, I get that. That's a fundamental difference in opinion that would be very hard to convince either side of otherwise.
But if your pro-choice and believe that a baby is a baby at conception, than really isn't being pro-choice the same as supporting a womens right to end the life of her child?
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headoverheels
s'il vous plaît
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LB
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by neener1211
This thread is starting to bother me, because it started out as a simple question.
As it goes back and forth with people trying to coerce the other side to understand where they are coming from, there will never be a clear cut belief because everyone is different.
I would have never in a million years have had an abortion-I believe a life starts from the moment that baby is conceived. But that does not mean that I don't believe someone should not have that option if there is a reason other than birth control.
Then we had a baby with a deformity- the baby did not even know it existed because it had no brain. We decided to induce labor at 20 weeks, the alternative was a D&E, which I felt in my heart was more of an abortion (my own feelings). Two months later after fighting with the insurance company, I saw that the doctor had labeled the procedure as Abortion on the records to the Insurance Company.
I cannot tell you how much to this day it bothers me that I was in a situation that I had to make a life altering decision for the life of myself and my child, and it was labeled as an Abortion-when I truly didn't feel it was. It literally kills me everyday to think that someone else in this world thinks I voluntarily killed my child and my baby was a statistic.
In my eyes, I am not able to live with myself for what I decided to do, and I would not have been able to live with myself if I had brought that baby into this world to suffer. I would have had the same outcome in both circumstances-grief, sadness and a bit of my heart missing.
i've thought about you during this whole thread. what you did was NOT an abortion. there is just no way i can see it like that. you chose to NOT allow your baby to suffer, and IMO, that was a courageus decision, and one that you do NOT need to justify.
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LaurenExp
Waiting patiently for baby sis
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L-Diddy EDD 11/11/11 :)
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by neener1211
This thread is starting to bother me, because it started out as a simple question.
As it goes back and forth with people trying to coerce the other side to understand where they are coming from, there will never be a clear cut belief because everyone is different.
I would have never in a million years have had an abortion-I believe a life starts from the moment that baby is conceived. But that does not mean that I don't believe someone should not have that option if there is a reason other than birth control.
Then we had a baby with a deformity- the baby did not even know it existed because it had no brain. We decided to induce labor at 20 weeks, the alternative was a D&E, which I felt in my heart was more of an abortion (my own feelings). Two months later after fighting with the insurance company, I saw that the doctor had labeled the procedure as Abortion on the records to the Insurance Company.
I cannot tell you how much to this day it bothers me that I was in a situation that I had to make a life altering decision for the life of myself and my child, and it was labeled as an Abortion-when I truly didn't feel it was. It literally kills me everyday to think that someone else in this world thinks I voluntarily killed my child and my baby was a statistic.
In my eyes, I am not able to live with myself for what I decided to do, and I would not have been able to live with myself if I had brought that baby into this world to suffer. I would have had the same outcome in both circumstances-grief, sadness and a bit of my heart missing.
I essentially had to make that very same choice. I had to induce labor on a child that I knew wouldn't survive outside my womb at 36 weeks. I completely and totally understand where you're coming from, but I think what you and I did, and what is being discussed here are very different things.
I am someone who is pro-choice, but I'm also someone who can also empathize with those who are pro-life. I'm not trying to sway anyone this way or that, I'm just trying to, even through my own posts and going through the thought process, fully understand and appreciate everyone's opinions.
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MarisaK
HELLO Manolo !!
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
100% Pro Choice
My OPINION and what I would or would not do in a given situation can not POSSIBLY reflect the situations of millions of other women.
IMO, being pro choice, is not being pro abortion. I don't think anyone is running through the streets screaming "ABORT your pregnancy." I don't think ANY woman walks out of a clinic feeling PROUD of what has just occured - Pro choice has nothing to to with morals, religous beliefs, or personal expreience - For me, it 100% has to do with not allowing the GOVERNMENT to determine a woman's future.
You allow the government to take away a person's right to decide for themselves and you open up Pandora's Box IMO -
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Deedlebugs
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by neener1211
This thread is starting to bother me, because it started out as a simple question.
As it goes back and forth with people trying to coerce the other side to understand where they are coming from, there will never be a clear cut belief because everyone is different.
I would have never in a million years have had an abortion-I believe a life starts from the moment that baby is conceived. But that does not mean that I don't believe someone should not have that option if there is a reason other than birth control.
Then we had a baby with a deformity- the baby did not even know it existed because it had no brain. We decided to induce labor at 20 weeks, the alternative was a D&E, which I felt in my heart was more of an abortion (my own feelings). Two months later after fighting with the insurance company, I saw that the doctor had labeled the procedure as Abortion on the records to the Insurance Company.
I cannot tell you how much to this day it bothers me that I was in a situation that I had to make a life altering decision for the life of myself and my child, and it was labeled as an Abortion-when I truly didn't feel it was. It literally kills me everyday to think that someone else in this world thinks I voluntarily killed my child and my baby was a statistic.
In my eyes, I am not able to live with myself for what I decided to do, and I would not have been able to live with myself if I had brought that baby into this world to suffer. I would have had the same outcome in both circumstances-grief, sadness and a bit of my heart missing.
i've thought about you during this whole thread. what you did was NOT an abortion. there is just no way i can see it like that. you chose to NOT allow your baby to suffer, and IMO, that was a courageus decision, and one that you do NOT need to justify.
I completely agree. I hope you do not place yourself as a subject in this debate, what you went through and abortion are not even close.
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mtnmama
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Message edited 12/7/2009 10:29:31 AM.
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GioiaMia
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by Deedlebug126
I completely agree. I hope you do not place yourself as a subject in this debate, what you went through and abortion are not even close.
ITA!
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neener1211
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by headoverheels
i've thought about you during this whole thread. what you did was NOT an abortion. there is just no way i can see it like that. you chose to NOT allow your baby to suffer, and IMO, that was a courageus decision, and one that you do NOT need to justify.
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| Posted 6/10/08 1:15 PM |
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stephaniea
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
pro-choice.
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neener1211
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
I'm not placing myself into the debate at all, just wanted to relate my situation to this...because there is no clear cut right/wrong. It just got out of hand, because everyone's circumstances are different and we all need to respect that.
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| Posted 6/10/08 1:20 PM |
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maybebaby
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by neener1211
This thread is starting to bother me, because it started out as a simple question.
As it goes back and forth with people trying to coerce the other side to understand where they are coming from, there will never be a clear cut belief because everyone is different.
I would have never in a million years have had an abortion-I believe a life starts from the moment that baby is conceived. But that does not mean that I don't believe someone should not have that option if there is a reason other than birth control.
Then we had a baby with a deformity- the baby did not even know it existed because it had no brain. We decided to induce labor at 20 weeks, the alternative was a D&E, which I felt in my heart was more of an abortion (my own feelings). Two months later after fighting with the insurance company, I saw that the doctor had labeled the procedure as Abortion on the records to the Insurance Company.
I cannot tell you how much to this day it bothers me that I was in a situation that I had to make a life altering decision for the life of myself and my child, and it was labeled as an Abortion-when I truly didn't feel it was. It literally kills me everyday to think that someone else in this world thinks I voluntarily killed my child and my baby was a statistic.
In my eyes, I am not able to live with myself for what I decided to do, and I would not have been able to live with myself if I had brought that baby into this world to suffer. I would have had the same outcome in both circumstances-grief, sadness and a bit of my heart missing.
i've thought about you during this whole thread. what you did was NOT an abortion. there is just no way i can see it like that. you chose to NOT allow your baby to suffer, and IMO, that was a courageus decision, and one that you do NOT need to justify.
I 100% agree...
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neener1211
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Posted by MarisaK
100% Pro Choice
My OPINION and what I would or would not do in a given situation can not POSSIBLY reflect the situations of millions of other women.
IMO, being pro choice, is not being pro abortion. I don't think anyone is running through the streets screaming "ABORT your pregnancy." I don't think ANY woman walks out of a clinic feeling PROUD of what has just occured - Pro choice has nothing to to with morals, religous beliefs, or personal expreience - For me, it 100% has to do with not allowing the GOVERNMENT to determine a woman's future.
You allow the government to take away a person's right to decide for themselves and you open up Pandora's Box IMO -
I agree, I just couldn't put it into these words when I wanted to.
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| Posted 6/10/08 1:22 PM |
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hisfavgirl
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Pro-Choice
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| Posted 6/10/08 1:22 PM |
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juanvi
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Re: Not sure if this was done before - are you pro-life or pro-choice?
Did anyone see the movie with Laura Dern? I don't remember the name but she was pregnant and drank/inhaled paint while she was pregnant. It showed the pro life and pro choice groups. Such a strange movie, but interesting.
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