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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
I personally would never paint my DS nails. Do I think it will cause an Identity crisis...NO but i think somethings are just for girls and somethings are just for boys IMO
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by SweetTooth
Would there be such a controversy over this ad if it showed a dad and daughter and the daughter dressing up in the dad's suit and tie?
LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE
awesome point!
I don't see any issues at all with it. I feel like sometimes when you make a bigger deal out of it than it is, that's when kids catch on and get confused.
But I do know that my dh would not be in favor of it- so before I painted those little piggies pink, I'd definitely talk to him- I would never want to disrespect his wishes for our kids- I wouldnt want him to do that to me!
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| Posted 4/14/11 12:37 PM |
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I think this is an extreme example of what you're saying. Just because I would not paint my DS's nails pink does not mean I would teaching him to be narrow minded and mean. Just because I believe in clear gender roles doesn't mean that I am teaching my dd to judge people. I did not judge this mother, but I did comment that I wouldn't do that. Just because people differ doesn't mean that we're not for social acceptance. I am all for people being themselves, but I have to say I think in some ways we are losing focus. Being yourself is different then proving a point and being a martyr. This ad was clearly to get people talking and to promote her brand. I honestly don't think it was to promote gender equality.
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by Mommy2Boys
Posted by Stacey1403
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by annoyedTTCer
This is truly a sad thread.
How can we have an hope for future generations when some people are so easily freaked out by painted toenails?
Feel like I work up in 1951
Love this. Thank you. I completely agree. 
Me too!!!!
What kind of hope are you hoping for future generation by painting a boys toenails bright pink? 
To be honest I dont understand why the new "thing" is for people to be so liberal in letting girls dress like boys like Brangelina's kid and letting boys wear hot pink nail polish? I'm confused. What's wrong with girls being girls and boys being boys?
I dont mean to be snarky but.. thats the problem. I feel we don't LET boys be boys and girls be girls we FORM them into the boys and girls we are TOLD is normal. You can see it in the store, girls play with kitchens and dolls boys have trucks and heros. Why?
I have a daughter (ok I wanted a boy) but the point is. NOTHING is outside her reach. If she wants to be a construction worker GO For it! I actually insure a badbutt woman construction owner right now who knows her stuff big time but wears nice skirts and sports a 8ct diamond ring! 
Men shouldn't paint nails, really? Come on. Most famous designers are men and they aren't gay. Men can be artisitic who cares?
Boys be boys and girls be girls. Fine. isn't the point of childhood to experiment with self idenity and test the world while we ARE NOT held back by public norms?
I know I wore bright pink nail polish as a girl but certainly wouldn't wear it now. Same goes for the neon blue eyeshadow and purple lipstick. Heck I don't even WEAR makeup!
So he has nail polish on his toes, who cares? I don't think it would make him less likely to go play in sand or search for frogs that it would me when I was that age.
Why not just let KIDS be KIDS and enjoy the innocents and freedom of being young?
Oh and the idea that there are things boys do and things girls do annoys me. I guess you could say that's why men will make more money and women wont because thats what men do and thats what women do?  We try to groom our children to equality but then force them into our own stereotypes.
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| Posted 4/14/11 12:43 PM |
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by medic6809
Posted by dm24angel
Tolerance, equality, acceptance, understanding and the like.
Gender stereotypes restrict some people from being who they REALLY are because they feel judged. Sexuality and gender identity do not need to be black and white ( or pink and blue  )...
I think this is an extreme example of what you're saying. Just because I would not paint my DS's nails pink does not mean I would teaching him to be narrow minded and mean. Just because I believe in clear gender roles doesn't mean that I am teaching my dd to judge people. I did not judge this mother, but I did comment that I wouldn't do that. Just because people differ doesn't mean that we're not for social acceptance. I am all for people being themselves, but I have to say I think in some ways we are losing focus. Being yourself is different then proving a point and being a martyr. This ad was clearly to get people talking and to promote her brand. I honestly don't think it was to promote gender equality.
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| Posted 4/14/11 1:05 PM |
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by Xelindrya
I dont mean to be snarky but.. thats the problem. I feel we don't LET boys be boys and girls be girls we FORM them into the boys and girls we are TOLD is normal. You can see it in the store, girls play with kitchens and dolls boys have trucks and heros. Why?
I have a daughter (ok I wanted a boy) but the point is. NOTHING is outside her reach. If she wants to be a construction worker GO For it! I actually insure a badbutt woman construction owner right now who knows her stuff big time but wears nice skirts and sports a 8ct diamond ring!
Men shouldn't paint nails, really? Come on. Most famous designers are men and they aren't gay. Men can be artisitic who cares?
Boys be boys and girls be girls. Fine. isn't the point of childhood to experiment with self idenity and test the world while we ARE NOT held back by public norms?
I know I wore bright pink nail polish as a girl but certainly wouldn't wear it now. Same goes for the neon blue eyeshadow and purple lipstick. Heck I don't even WEAR makeup!
So he has nail polish on his toes, who cares? I don't think it would make him less likely to go play in sand or search for frogs that it would me when I was that age.
Why not just let KIDS be KIDS and enjoy the innocents and freedom of being young?
Oh and the idea that there are things boys do and things girls do annoys me. I guess you could say that's why men will make more money and women wont because thats what men do and thats what women do? We try to groom our children to equality but then force them into our own stereotypes.
I have two boys. When we are at our friends house who has girls they push the doll strollers around and pink shopping cart. I dont get crazy. They are playing, who cares. I bought my son a kitchen for his birthday. Did I buy a pink, girly one? No, I bought a blue one. But it is still a play kitchen.
I dont think we need to let a girl dress like a boy and cut her hair like a boy or put pink nail polish on boys to try to teach equality. I think gender equality is constantly evolving on it's own. In the 1950's you would have never seen a woman run for President but we did only a few years ago.
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Something about this was on channel 5 in the morning...and I'm NOT 100% certain .....but I thought I heard a Dr say that this woman better save money for his therapist sessions when he gets older.....
Painting my sons toenails is not my thing...but I guess from reading a few of the posts..why would no one think twice if a little girls was dressed in boys clothes...we are a crazy society ....but I guess she is the mom..she knows best...
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by SweetTooth
Would there be such a controversy over this ad if it showed a dad and daughter and the daughter dressing up in the dad's suit and tie?
EXCELLENT POINT!!!!
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| Posted 4/14/11 1:29 PM |
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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by sami
Something about this was on channel 5 in the morning...and I'm NOT 100% certain .....but I thought I heard a Dr say that this woman better save money for his therapist sessions when he gets older.....
Painting my sons toenails is not my thing...but I guess from reading a few of the posts..why would no one think twice if a little girls was dressed in boys clothes...we are a crazy society ....but I guess she is the mom..she knows best...
That therapist is a jacka55
Like some nailploish is really going to make a kid question his gender or sexual oreintation.
Its freakin nail polish people, get over it
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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by Mommy2Boys
Posted by Stacey1403
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by annoyedTTCer
This is truly a sad thread.
How can we have an hope for future generations when some people are so easily freaked out by painted toenails?
Feel like I work up in 1951
Love this. Thank you. I completely agree.
Me too!!!!
What kind of hope are you hoping for future generation by painting a boys toenails bright pink?
To be honest I dont understand why the new "thing" is for people to be so liberal in letting girls dress like boys like Brangelina's kid and letting boys wear hot pink nail polish? I'm confused. What's wrong with girls being girls and boys being boys?
One where people don't get their panties in a knot because a boy dared to wear something pink for 10 minutes.
Its nail polish, it comes off faster than it goes on!
Why must we be so narrow minded to still think blue = boy and pink = girl or dresses = girl and pants = boy
I loved Tonka trucks and matchbox cars growing up and so far I've never felt the need to question anything about myself
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dm24angel
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by Mommy2Boys
Posted by medic6809
Posted by dm24angel
Tolerance, equality, acceptance, understanding and the like.
Gender stereotypes restrict some people from being who they REALLY are because they feel judged. Sexuality and gender identity do not need to be black and white ( or pink and blue )...
I think this is an extreme example of what you're saying. Just because I would not paint my DS's nails pink does not mean I would teaching him to be narrow minded and mean. Just because I believe in clear gender roles doesn't mean that I am teaching my dd to judge people. I did not judge this mother, but I did comment that I wouldn't do that. Just because people differ doesn't mean that we're not for social acceptance. I am all for people being themselves, but I have to say I think in some ways we are losing focus. Being yourself is different then proving a point and being a martyr. This ad was clearly to get people talking and to promote her brand. I honestly don't think it was to promote gender equality.
Your taking it completly out of context now and making it about your statement.
MY statement was in regards to why this ISSUE is or would have an impact on society , as I quoted those statements.
I'm talking about the BACKLASH and ridiculous comments JCREW received because of this.
THAT is the problem. And that is the question that I responded to.
I have no opinion on whethe ryou or anyone chooses to do this or no. Thats actually NOT have this thread was really about...but the reaction this ad caused and thats distinct IMO.
Once again, not even interested in what the point was of the AD and its details. It was the people on FOX news as an example and their rididulous statements that leads us far far away from 'forward' in our thinking.
Hope that cleared up what i was quoting/referring to.
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CkGm
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
I really don't get the big to do over this one But wow, what great free advertising for J.Crew!
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| Posted 4/14/11 5:36 PM |
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wingsofsong
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by MamaLeen
Cute and harmless.
ITA!!
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| Posted 4/14/11 5:38 PM |
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
What is more outrageous are the prices of their kids clothes (Crew Cuts) 
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ChilisWife
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Honestly, how many of us would paint our son's toes with pink nail polish?
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by ChilisWife
Honestly, how many of us would paint our son's toes with pink nail polish?
if he asked, I would.
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i feel like the more you make things off-limits, the more kids desire to engage in that activity. Of course, if it were drugs or something, no..... but nail polish gets a pass for me.
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CkGm
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by sami
Something about this was on channel 5 in the morning...and I'm NOT 100% certain .....but I thought I heard a Dr say that this woman better save money for his therapist sessions when he gets older.....
Painting my sons toenails is not my thing...but I guess from reading a few of the posts..why would no one think twice if a little girls was dressed in boys clothes...we are a crazy society ....but I guess she is the mom..she knows best...
That therapist is a jacka55
Like some nailploish is really going to make a kid question his gender or sexual oreintation.
Its freakin nail polish people, get over it
That therapist really should lose her license since that is a load of crap!
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CkGm
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by ChilisWife
Honestly, how many of us would paint our son's toes with pink nail polish?
me. I have and would again if he asked me. He saw his sister getting hers painted and asked if he could too. My Dh decided to do his too- My DD thought it was great
I seriously can't believe in this day and age we are hung up over some paint on your nails
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by Mommy2Boys
Posted by medic6809
Posted by dm24angel
Tolerance, equality, acceptance, understanding and the like.
Gender stereotypes restrict some people from being who they REALLY are because they feel judged. Sexuality and gender identity do not need to be black and white ( or pink and blue )...
I think this is an extreme example of what you're saying. Just because I would not paint my DS's nails pink does not mean I would teaching him to be narrow minded and mean. Just because I believe in clear gender roles doesn't mean that I am teaching my dd to judge people. I did not judge this mother, but I did comment that I wouldn't do that. Just because people differ doesn't mean that we're not for social acceptance. I am all for people being themselves, but I have to say I think in some ways we are losing focus. Being yourself is different then proving a point and being a martyr. This ad was clearly to get people talking and to promote her brand. I honestly don't think it was to promote gender equality.
Your taking it completly out of context now and making it about your statement.
MY statement was in regards to why this ISSUE is or would have an impact on society , as I quoted those statements.
I'm talking about the BACKLASH and ridiculous comments JCREW received because of this.
THAT is the problem. And that is the question that I responded to.
I have no opinion on whethe ryou or anyone chooses to do this or no. Thats actually NOT have this thread was really about...but the reaction this ad caused and thats distinct IMO.
Once again, not even interested in what the point was of the AD and its details. It was the people on FOX news as an example and their rididulous statements that leads us far far away from 'forward' in our thinking.
Hope that cleared up what i was quoting/referring to.
Wow that was a bit harsh. My comment was directed to your statement:
"Tolerance, equality, acceptance, understanding and the like.
Gender stereotypes restrict some people from being who they REALLY are because they feel judged. Sexuality and gender identity do not need to be black and white ( or pink and blue"
And if you want to be back on topic how is this relevant to a little boy painting his nails pink, honestly? Does that mean if I have a DS and I choose to not do this I am not allowing him to be who he really is? That is where I'm coming from with my statements. It was posted earlier that somebody thought they were in 1950 with these comments. Just because somebody doesn't agree doesn't mean we are or would restrict somebody from being who they are. Furthermore the whole point of this thread was to discuss this, and yes people will disagree. Just because I was taken a back by your comment doesn't mean I was trying to push my own issue. I was trying to explain why this comment irked me just as you posted back about why mine irked you.
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by Stacey1403
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by annoyedTTCer
This is truly a sad thread.
How can we have an hope for future generations when some people are so easily freaked out by painted toenails?
Feel like I work up in 1951
Love this. Thank you. I completely agree.
Me too!!!!
Me 3!
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maybebaby
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Toenail/fingernail painting in MY opinion is for girls. Sorry if it sounds old school, but I told johnny a while back that nailpolish is for girls (when he asked what it was).
The ad doesn't necessarily bother me...but i don't know...I guess i just (like others have said) don't think that painting a little boys toes has a thing to do with gender equality. I think that while they are young and in MY care i can set the boundaries.
If my sons grow up and want to do something on their own that goes against typical gender roles, that is fine.
But I would not put my boys in a dress if they asked and I would not paint their nails/toes. Just not something I am comfortable with for me!
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Well said!! I totally agree.
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I have 3 girls and 1 nephew who are all around the same age. He plays with their strollers and dolls. We have even put tu tus on him and dressed him as Ariel and tinkerbell all in fun. he is 20 months. On the flip side my girls have monster trucks, race cars and heros. Heck- my daughter had a spiderman birthday party!
Re: the nail polish...If my girls were getting their nails painted I know my SIL she would paint his just for the fun of it...
If she didn't have 3 young nieces and it was just him and her, she might paint his nails if he asked but it wouldn't be pink bc she would never own pink nail polish.
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dm24angel
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Re: Not sure if this was posted - J Crew ad... Thoughts?
Posted by medic6809
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by Mommy2Boys
Posted by medic6809
Posted by dm24angel
Tolerance, equality, acceptance, understanding and the like.
Gender stereotypes restrict some people from being who they REALLY are because they feel judged. Sexuality and gender identity do not need to be black and white ( or pink and blue )...
I think this is an extreme example of what you're saying. Just because I would not paint my DS's nails pink does not mean I would teaching him to be narrow minded and mean. Just because I believe in clear gender roles doesn't mean that I am teaching my dd to judge people. I did not judge this mother, but I did comment that I wouldn't do that. Just because people differ doesn't mean that we're not for social acceptance. I am all for people being themselves, but I have to say I think in some ways we are losing focus. Being yourself is different then proving a point and being a martyr. This ad was clearly to get people talking and to promote her brand. I honestly don't think it was to promote gender equality.
Your taking it completly out of context now and making it about your statement.
MY statement was in regards to why this ISSUE is or would have an impact on society , as I quoted those statements.
I'm talking about the BACKLASH and ridiculous comments JCREW received because of this.
THAT is the problem. And that is the question that I responded to.
I have no opinion on whethe ryou or anyone chooses to do this or no. Thats actually NOT have this thread was really about...but the reaction this ad caused and thats distinct IMO.
Once again, not even interested in what the point was of the AD and its details. It was the people on FOX news as an example and their rididulous statements that leads us far far away from 'forward' in our thinking.
Hope that cleared up what i was quoting/referring to.
Wow that was a bit harsh. My comment was directed to your statement:
"Tolerance, equality, acceptance, understanding and the like.
Gender stereotypes restrict some people from being who they REALLY are because they feel judged. Sexuality and gender identity do not need to be black and white ( or pink and blue"
And if you want to be back on topic how is this relevant to a little boy painting his nails pink, honestly? Does that mean if I have a DS and I choose to not do this I am not allowing him to be who he really is? That is where I'm coming from with my statements. It was posted earlier that somebody thought they were in 1950 with these comments. Just because somebody doesn't agree doesn't mean we are or would restrict somebody from being who they are. Furthermore the whole point of this thread was to discuss this, and yes people will disagree. Just because I was taken a back by your comment doesn't mean I was trying to push my own issue. I was trying to explain why this comment irked me just as you posted back about why mine irked you.
It wasn't harsh, or at least I didnt mean it to be at all. sorry if I came across that way.
I think we got confused with all the quoting.
Someone said they lost hope in the future generations, and then a poster responded, what kind of hope wer eyou looking for, and thats 'specifically' what I responded to.
not about ANYONES choices.
I think that the losing hope comment came from the fact that this AD was all over the news making or stirring up ridiculous comments about gender etc. That is very outdated IMO. So I responded in what I think the 'poor' reactions to this ad would stifle.
I agree with everything you said otherwise. No, I do not believe that NOT painting someones nails will bring harm either.
I think we are talking about two different aspects of this debate here and thus confusion.
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