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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
this is the saddest story, i have tears thinking of these poor families and what they are going through...i can't even imagine for one second their pain
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by Tulips915
The Gaines family hired Della to begin looking for answers. He says they are not immediately planning a lawsuit. not.
How do you sue when you let your kid go on an overcrowded boat? If the driver was drunk, I could see it but otherwise, where the logic?
Negligent homicide?
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
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Posted by Tulips915
The Gaines family hired Della to begin looking for answers. He says they are not immediately planning a lawsuit. not.
How do you sue when you let your kid go on an overcrowded boat? If the driver was drunk, I could see it but otherwise, where the logic?
Negligent homicide?
It's ultimately the operator's (captain) and the owner's responsibility (if he was present, which he was) to know the passenger capacity of that vessel. Both men knew darn well that boat was way over capacity, nevermindthe fact that it looks like they didnt have enough life jackets for all the passengers (again, their responsibility.)
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
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Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Tulips915
The Gaines family hired Della to begin looking for answers. He says they are not immediately planning a lawsuit. not.
How do you sue when you let your kid go on an overcrowded boat? If the driver was drunk, I could see it but otherwise, where the logic?
Negligent homicide?
It's ultimately the operator's (captain) and the owner's responsibility (if he was present, which he was) to know the passenger capacity of that vessel. Both men knew darn well that boat was way over capacity, nevermindthe fact that it looks like they didnt have enough life jackets for all the passengers (again, their responsibility.)
I agree that they have a responsibility but don't you, as a parent, have one too?
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Posted by Tulips915
The Gaines family hired Della to begin looking for answers. He says they are not immediately planning a lawsuit. not.
How do you sue when you let your kid go on an overcrowded boat? If the driver was drunk, I could see it but otherwise, where the logic?
Negligent homicide?
I was thinking the same thing but I'm assuming they didn't know. I don't know anything about boating. I know I would never think to ask about how many people were going, or if it was at full capacity.
I'm sure they are angry and upset. Maybe they just want someone to look into it for them.
It's so sad. I can't even imagine how they all feel.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by greenybeans
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Posted by Tulips915
The Gaines family hired Della to begin looking for answers. He says they are not immediately planning a lawsuit. not.
How do you sue when you let your kid go on an overcrowded boat? If the driver was drunk, I could see it but otherwise, where the logic?
Negligent homicide?
I was thinking the same thing but I'm assuming they didn't know. I don't know anything about boating. I know I would never think to ask about how many people were going, or if it was at full capacity.
I'm sure they are angry and upset. Maybe they just want someone to look into it for them.
It's so sad. I can't even imagine how they all feel.
Were they (the Gaines) not on the boat?
Why as a parent would you ask how many people are going? You had to have FULL trust in this family if you allow your 8 year old kid to go boating without you going with them. 'MOST' people wouldn't just let their kid go unless they really knew the family.
And how would these parents (if they weren't there, and not boaters) know what the capacity of the boat would be. As I stated somewhere else...being there or not, most people wouldn't know a boat's capacity, most would say wow that's alot of people, but never know that it could turn the way it did.
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Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
I can't even fathom how any adult (captain OR PASSENGER) would think its OK to cram that many people on a boat.
If I was going on my friends boat, I got there and it was that crammed, I suddenly would have 'recieved a phone call' and would have had to leave. And I dont even have a little kid to think about.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by Marcie
Posted by greenybeans
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Tulips915
The Gaines family hired Della to begin looking for answers. He says they are not immediately planning a lawsuit. not.
How do you sue when you let your kid go on an overcrowded boat? If the driver was drunk, I could see it but otherwise, where the logic?
Negligent homicide?
I was thinking the same thing but I'm assuming they didn't know. I don't know anything about boating. I know I would never think to ask about how many people were going, or if it was at full capacity.
I'm sure they are angry and upset. Maybe they just want someone to look into it for them.
It's so sad. I can't even imagine how they all feel.
Were they (the Gaines) not on the boat?
Why as a parent would you ask how many people are going? You had to have FULL trust in this family if you allow your 8 year old kid to go boating without you going with them. 'MOST' people wouldn't just let their kid go unless they really knew the family.
And how would these parents (if they weren't there, and not boaters) know what the capacity of the boat would be. As I stated somewhere else...being there or not, most people wouldn't know a boat's capacity, most would say wow that's alot of people, but never know that it could turn the way it did.
(I don't know if the Gaines were on the boat or not.)
I'm sure these families were close and had a lot of trust with each other which is why they never questioned "how many family member and friends" would be on that boat at the same time. But as a non boater and never seeing the boat prior to this incident, common sense tells you that 27 people on a 34' boat it way too many. I wouldn't want 27 people in my 30'x15' family room, let alone on a vessel that is influenced by weight.
This was beyond poor judgement by the owner & operator.
Motor vehicles have passenger capacity & gross weight maximums too, fortunately they're not as heavily inluenced by outside factors and weight distribution is less of an issue.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by nrthshgrl
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Posted by Tulips915
The Gaines family hired Della to begin looking for answers. He says they are not immediately planning a lawsuit. not.
How do you sue when you let your kid go on an overcrowded boat? If the driver was drunk, I could see it but otherwise, where the logic?
Negligent homicide?
It's ultimately the operator's (captain) and the owner's responsibility (if he was present, which he was) to know the passenger capacity of that vessel. Both men knew darn well that boat was way over capacity, nevermindthe fact that it looks like they didnt have enough life jackets for all the passengers (again, their responsibility.)
I agree that they have a responsibility but don't you, as a parent, have one too?
You've never entrusted your children to a close friend?
This, in my mind, was a completely avoidable accident. We're not talking 4 people over capacity. This was reckless endangerment for everybody.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Tulips915
The Gaines family hired Della to begin looking for answers. He says they are not immediately planning a lawsuit. not.
How do you sue when you let your kid go on an overcrowded boat? If the driver was drunk, I could see it but otherwise, where the logic?
Negligent homicide?
this and yes, i'd assume negligent homicide.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Victoria's mother and older brother were on the boat, according to the latest Newsday article update.
Also, police are now saying that one of the children was wearing a life vest, but they are not saying which one.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
I honestly think the owner and the driver of the boat probably knew it was too many people, but just made light of that and felt that nothing could happen to them, for such a short time and in Long Island waters. I am just guessing it was the "It can't hapen to us mentality". What a horrible way to learn that yes, bad things can happen to anyone and everyone.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Tulips915
The Gaines family hired Della to begin looking for answers. He says they are not immediately planning a lawsuit. not.
How do you sue when you let your kid go on an overcrowded boat? If the driver was drunk, I could see it but otherwise, where the logic?
Negligent homicide?
some level of manslaughter would be criminal charges but the parents cannot charge him so they could sue in civil court for wrongful death or soemthing like that.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
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Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
This is exactly what my husband said tonight...
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
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Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
This is exactly what my husband said tonight...
I have a feeling maybe they didn't know. There was probably a lot of drinking going, and it was pitch black. They probably couldn't even see to get o the cabin
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
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Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
This is exactly what my husband said tonight...
I have a feeling maybe they didn't know. There was probably a lot of drinking going, and it was pitch black. They probably couldn't even see to get o the cabin
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Honestly while I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I personally don't think it's fair to say what you would have done. It was mass confusion, the boat was sinking, and it was pitch black. It probably happened so fast that no one could get in to save them. Easy to say what you would do in a straight frame of mind, on the internet, but I dont think anyone can speak about what kind of mindset they would have had if they were just dumped into the water in the pitch black of night, disoriented, confused, in shock and scared as all hell.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by Goobster
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Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
This is exactly what my husband said tonight...
I have a feeling maybe they didn't know. There was probably a lot of drinking going, and it was pitch black. They probably couldn't even see to get o the cabin
ITA
Honestly while I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I personally don't think it's fair to say what you would have done. It was mass confusion, the boat was sinking, and it was pitch black. It probably happened so fast that no one could get in to save them. Easy to say what you would do in a straight frame of mind, on the internet, but I dont think anyone can speak about what kind of mindset they would have had if they were just dumped into the water in the pitch black of night, disoriented, confused, in shock and scared as all hell.
I agree to a point...but if it was my kid missing...I would go to the end of the earth to find out where they are
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Latest report says one of the kids was wearing a life jacket.
My cousin knew the Gaines. She and I were together when she discovered the name. She is very upset. Her mom went thru fertility treatments for her. She said she was over the moon when she was pregnant with her. Her mom was very protective of her kids. So sad
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
Come on, this is just mean. This was a TRAGIC ACCIDENT. 
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
BTW< I just watched a news broadcast that said HALF of the people on the boat were children, so it was not 27 adults according to that segment. Just so happened that the 3 that died were children, but they pretty much died (it seems) simply b/c they were trapped in the cabin. Had it been adults in the cabin, they would have probably not survived either.
Being in the cabin confined them and kept them under it seems, so being a child or not having a life jacket probably had NOTHING to do with their deaths at all. They were found IN the cabin when their bodies were recovered AND one was supposedly wearing a life jacket, which they were not even required to do so while in the cabin (from what I have read), anyway.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
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Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
This is exactly what my husband said tonight...
I have a feeling maybe they didn't know. There was probably a lot of drinking going, and it was pitch black. They probably couldn't even see to get o the cabin
ITA
Honestly while I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I personally don't think it's fair to say what you would have done. It was mass confusion, the boat was sinking, and it was pitch black. It probably happened so fast that no one could get in to save them. Easy to say what you would do in a straight frame of mind, on the internet, but I dont think anyone can speak about what kind of mindset they would have had if they were just dumped into the water in the pitch black of night, disoriented, confused, in shock and scared as all hell.
I agree to a point...but if it was my kid missing...I would go to the end of the earth to find out where they are
Of course, anyone would. But can anyone say they did not do that? None of us were there. It's easy to say what you would have done, but this was pitch black night, in the water, trying to get into a sinking boat? Maybe they didn't know they were inside the boat and looked for them in the water? Hindsight is 20/20 and I'm sure those parents are sick over it and toruring themselves with the "what ifs"
The whole thing is just a horrible, my heart goes out to them
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by Goobster
Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
BTW< I just watched a news broadcast that said HALF of the people on the boat were children, so it was not 27 adults according to that segment. Just so happened that the 3 that died were children, but they pretty much died (it seems) simply b/c they were trapped in the cabin. Had it been adults in the cabin, they would have probably not survived either.
Being in the cabin confined them and kept them under it seems, so being a child or not having a life jacket probably had NOTHING to do with their deaths at all. They were found IN the cabin when their bodies were recovered AND one was supposedly wearing a life jacket, which they were not even required to do so while in the cabin (from what I have read), anyway.
Wearing the lifejacket in the cabin could be an issue. Because if you're floating at the ceiling, you may be over the door top. You'd have to take the life jacket off so you can sink and go under the door threshold - or have enough force to propel yourself to do this with the lifejacket on.
Also, either adult or child probably couldn't open the door to the cabin (if it was closed.) You can't open the door while you are sinking. The whole cabin needs to be underwater for the pressure to equalize so you can open the door.
Same thing happened with the Costa Concordia, as people's rooms filled with water and them wearing their lifejackets - they were trapped in the rooms. If you're wearing a life jacket, best case scenario you are on or can get to an open deck fast.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by Blazesyth
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Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
BTW< I just watched a news broadcast that said HALF of the people on the boat were children, so it was not 27 adults according to that segment. Just so happened that the 3 that died were children, but they pretty much died (it seems) simply b/c they were trapped in the cabin. Had it been adults in the cabin, they would have probably not survived either.
Being in the cabin confined them and kept them under it seems, so being a child or not having a life jacket probably had NOTHING to do with their deaths at all. They were found IN the cabin when their bodies were recovered AND one was supposedly wearing a life jacket, which they were not even required to do so while in the cabin (from what I have read), anyway.
Wearing the lifejacket in the cabin could be an issue. Because if you're floating at the ceiling, you may be over the door top. You'd have to take the life jacket off so you can sink and go under the door threshold - or have enough force to propel yourself to do this with the lifejacket on.
Also, either adult or child probably couldn't open the door to the cabin (if it was closed.) You can't open the door while you are sinking. The whole cabin needs to be underwater for the pressure to equalize so you can open the door.
Same thing happened with the Costa Concordia, as people's rooms filled with water and them wearing their lifejackets - they were trapped in the rooms. If you're wearing a life jacket, best case scenario you are on or can get to an open deck fast.
Bingo. And some of the parents probably had other children they were trying to save and cling on to....  
Everyone out, looking to have a good time. It was poor judgement on MANY people's parts, the captain, the owner, even somewhat the parents....so I feel much sympathy for them, b/c often people don't think bad things can happen to them...even if they suspect something is risky, they just don't think anything bad can happen to them. Doesn't make them criminals, it makes them having made a poor choice and having to live with that for the rest of their lives. I feel for them, I truly do.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by InShock
Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
Come on, this is just mean. This was a TRAGIC ACCIDENT.
Thank you. Opinions like these are so upsetting, just like the thread after patrick lucas drowning. So many opinions, it doesnt really matter, have some compassion for the grieving families.
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