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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by Ladybug63
There are a lot of details that have not been released to the public. If and when these details are released I think a lot of us will have a new point of view on the matter :(
I am very curious what these details could be 
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Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
After seeing the pic of the boat that the FBI just raised, I wonder how they managed to fit 27 people on this boat. The boat doesn't look like it could fit 10 people comfortably! Who thought this was a good idea? Even if half that 27 were kids, that is way too many for this boat. I think the overcrowding plus the wave are what caused the boat to roll. (and like another poster said, this ain't the Bering Sea, there's no "rogue waves" it was the wake from other boats most likely)
Sad, sad, sad. Three little lives lost due to flat out negligence.
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| Posted 7/11/12 10:37 PM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
It's been a complete zoo at the TR Marina with the news crews camping out. My kids go to summer rec camp at the park there and I'll be happy when the boat is moved out of Oyster Bay.
But I think they are grasping at straws trying to find a cause for the boat to sink. It was overloaded, top heavy and the captain made a sharp right turn and tipped the boat!
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| Posted 7/11/12 11:10 PM |
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KristenRSF
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Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
I am so infuriated by this entire thing. The boat capsized because there were 27 people on it, over 1/2 the safe capacity and nothing more. No wave, no wake, no nothing except absolute negligence at the hands of every adult on that boat. They sacrificed lives for the sake of boating, having a good time, and seeing fireworks. That boat should have never left the dock. I am disgusted and my sympathy for the Captain dwindles every time more information is released.
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| Posted 7/12/12 8:02 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by chmlengr
It's been a complete zoo at the TR Marina with the news crews camping out. My kids go to summer rec camp at the park there and I'll be happy when the boat is moved out of Oyster Bay.
But I think they are grasping at straws trying to find a cause for the boat to sink. It was overloaded, top heavy and the captain made a sharp right turn and tipped the boat!
ughhh, drop off has been a nightmare at camp! Hope you weren't one of the people I blocked in yesterday, when I gave up trying to find a parking spot!
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| Posted 7/12/12 8:50 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by KristenRSF
I am so infuriated by this entire thing. The boat capsized because there were 27 people on it, over 1/2 the safe capacity and nothing more. No wave, no wake, no nothing except absolute negligence at the hands of every adult on that boat. They sacrificed lives for the sake of boating, having a good time, and seeing fireworks. That boat should have never left the dock. I am disgusted and my sympathy for the Captain dwindles every time more information is released.
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| Posted 7/12/12 9:07 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by KristenRSF
That boat should have never left the dock. I am disgusted and my sympathy for the Captain dwindles every time more information is released.
I know this may sound heartless, but I'm more disgusted with the amount of time, effort and money going into this "investigation". Didn't all 3 kids have a parent on board? If so, they have culpability as well. No way that any reasonably intelligent human being would think that many people on that tiny boat was a bright idea.
Boat overloaded = top heavy
top heavy boat + (even small) wave or hard turn = capsize.
Pretty damned self explanatory to me.
Raising the boat is excessive in this case. The search for "some other" explanation is ridiculous and a waste of taxpayer money. It won't bring the kids back, won't change the outcome and most likely still won't result in charges against the owner or captain. There was no malfunction mechanically. The boat didn't hit an iceberg. It was top heavy and rolled. Jeesh, anyone who's watched even one season of Deadliest Catch can tell you that a top heavy boat is vulnerable to capsize!
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| Posted 7/12/12 9:25 AM |
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Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
And to think the guy who captained the boat (brother of the owner), took it out because he was more "experienced". Really? That's experienced? In that case the owner of the "Kandi Won" should have not even owned that boat.
The picture on the cover of Newsday makes me cringe. Anyone with any common sense, and the ability to see can come to the conclusion that there is no way in hell that 27 people could have fit on that boat.
And I agree with you Tara regarding this investigation. What do they think they are going to find? There is no hole in the boat, no damage, no nothing. They should have left it down there and let it rot.
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| Posted 7/12/12 9:34 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by KristenRSF
And I agree with you Tara regarding this investigation. What do they think they are going to find? There is no hole in the boat, no damage, no nothing. They should have left it down there and let it rot.
I bet this has to do with lawsuits that will be coming against the captain. They will need this information to prove it was negligence and nothing more.
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| Posted 7/12/12 9:38 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by MsSissy
Posted by KristenRSF
And I agree with you Tara regarding this investigation. What do they think they are going to find? There is no hole in the boat, no damage, no nothing. They should have left it down there and let it rot.
I bet this has to do with lawsuits that will be coming against the captain. They will need this information to prove it was negligence and nothing more.
You have a very good point. I also would like to think there is going to be serious talks with the manufacturer of the boat regarding the capacity. That alone should seal the deal on this entire tragedy.
Makes me so sad to think of those kids last moments.
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| Posted 7/12/12 9:39 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
I can't even imagine how cramped it was having 27 people on this boat. We're not talking just a few extra people. 27 people on this boat, even if many of them were children, is ridiculous. I read somewhere that there were 10 adults and 17 underage people on the boat. You're telling me not ONE of those 10 adults questioned having that many people on board?
I'm sure it all came down to the "nothing is going to happen to us" mentality combined with the desire to have a "great seat" to watch the fireworks. Insane.
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| Posted 7/12/12 9:40 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by MsSissy
Posted by KristenRSF
And I agree with you Tara regarding this investigation. What do they think they are going to find? There is no hole in the boat, no damage, no nothing. They should have left it down there and let it rot.
I bet this has to do with lawsuits that will be coming against the captain. They will need this information to prove it was negligence and nothing more.
I'm sure it does, but if that is the case, then the insurance should foot the bill for retrieving the boat! The FBI, USCG, Nassau PD etc shouldn't be involved. Lawsuits are a PRIVATE action. I hope they bill the "captain" and owner!
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| Posted 7/12/12 9:42 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
The one GOOD thing to come out of this is that people will learn from this mistake, and hopefully others will think twice before overcrowding a boat, or getting on an overcrowded boat.
It only takes one tragedy for people to learn a lesson. Hopefully those kids did one good thing by passing, saving others peoples lives.
So sad.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by jerseypanda
I can't even imagine how cramped it was having 27 people on this boat. We're not talking just a few extra people. 27 people on this boat, even if many of them were children, is ridiculous. I read somewhere that there were 10 adults and 17 underage people on the boat. You're telling me not ONE of those 10 adults questioned having that many people on board?
I'm sure it all came down to the "nothing is going to happen to us" mentality combined with the desire to have a "great seat" to watch the fireworks. Insane.
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That boat doesn't even look like it would hold 10 people, let alone 27, even if more than half of them were children. What were they thinking? 
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| Posted 7/12/12 9:50 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by tarabelle99
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And I agree with you Tara regarding this investigation. What do they think they are going to find? There is no hole in the boat, no damage, no nothing. They should have left it down there and let it rot.
I bet this has to do with lawsuits that will be coming against the captain. They will need this information to prove it was negligence and nothing more.
I'm sure it does, but if that is the case, then the insurance should foot the bill for retrieving the boat! The FBI, USCG, Nassau PD etc shouldn't be involved. Lawsuits are a PRIVATE action. I hope they bill the "captain" and owner!
They may also need this information to charge the captain and arrest him. At least I hope so. His lawyer would be all over that without some kind of proof that there wasn't a malfunction with the boat. Im sure they will still find something saying it wasn't his fault anyway.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the insurance policy doesn't cover anything if it was negligence.
ETS: I agree about billing the captain and owner, but I'm sure they don't have the funds to cover it.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by jerseypanda
I can't even imagine how cramped it was having 27 people on this boat. We're not talking just a few extra people. 27 people on this boat, even if many of them were children, is ridiculous. I read somewhere that there were 10 adults and 17 underage people on the boat. You're telling me not ONE of those 10 adults questioned having that many people on board?
I'm sure it all came down to the "nothing is going to happen to us" mentality combined with the desire to have a "great seat" to watch the fireworks. Insane.
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I can't even begin to imagine where people were able to stand on this thing comfortably! They had to be pretty smushed together, even if you put 2 or 3, even 4 people on the hull of the boat, and 3-4 in the cabin area.
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| Posted 7/12/12 9:52 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
I hope he gets charged. His interview for News12 makes me want to vomit.
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| Posted 7/12/12 9:53 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by KristenRSF
I hope he gets charged. His interview for News12 makes me want to vomit.
What did he say in the interview?
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| Posted 7/12/12 9:55 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by jerseypanda
Posted by KristenRSF
I hope he gets charged. His interview for News12 makes me want to vomit.
What did he say in the interview?
People are confusing the "Driver" and the "Captain". The driver was NOT the owner of the boat. The driver was the one that gave the interview to news12.
So who exactly do you want charged?
That interview was so unfair. He just lost his nephew and niece and the press bombarded them. He was in shock and so he said something stupid. Do you really think he was in his right mind at that point? The "rogue" wave was the wake from another boat. Stupid wording? Yes but give the guy a break.
It is so easy to judge based on news reports. Unless you know the people on the boat or you were there then you really don't know all the facts. It is so easy to play the game of what you would have done.
It was a horrible accident and jail time isn't going to change what happened. The Captain lost his 11 year old daughter. Don't you think he already paid the ultimate price for his mistake?
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by jerseypanda
I can't even imagine how cramped it was having 27 people on this boat. We're not talking just a few extra people. 27 people on this boat, even if many of them were children, is ridiculous. I read somewhere that there were 10 adults and 17 underage people on the boat. You're telling me not ONE of those 10 adults questioned having that many people on board?
I'm sure it all came down to the "nothing is going to happen to us" mentality combined with the desire to have a "great seat" to watch the fireworks. Insane.
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I thought it was 10 children and 17 adults?
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Posted by jerseypanda
I can't even imagine how cramped it was having 27 people on this boat. We're not talking just a few extra people. 27 people on this boat, even if many of them were children, is ridiculous. I read somewhere that there were 10 adults and 17 underage people on the boat. You're telling me not ONE of those 10 adults questioned having that many people on board?
I'm sure it all came down to the "nothing is going to happen to us" mentality combined with the desire to have a "great seat" to watch the fireworks. Insane.
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I thought it was 10 children and 17 adults?
It's possible that I reversed the numbers. But I do know the numbers wer 10 and 17. If it was 17 adults, that is even worse IMO.
That being said, I cannot imagine the fear and panic from those adults once they were thrown off the boat into the water, knowing there were children inside the cabin. It makes me feel short of breath just imagining the situation.
Of course nobody ever intended for this to happen. Just like nobody ever intends to get into a car accident while they text and drive. Stupid decisions can cause very tragic outcomes and these adults are going to have to live with that for the rest of their lives.
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| Posted 7/12/12 10:13 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by tarabelle99
I know this may sound heartless, but I'm more disgusted with the amount of time, effort and money going into this "investigation". Didn't all 3 kids have a parent on board? If so, they have culpability as well. No way that any reasonably intelligent human being would think that many people on that tiny boat was a bright idea.
Boat overloaded = top heavy
top heavy boat + (even small) wave or hard turn = capsize.
Pretty damned self explanatory to me.
Raising the boat is excessive in this case. The search for "some other" explanation is ridiculous and a waste of taxpayer money. It won't bring the kids back, won't change the outcome and most likely still won't result in charges against the owner or captain. There was no malfunction mechanically. The boat didn't hit an iceberg. It was top heavy and rolled. Jeesh, anyone who's watched even one season of Deadliest Catch can tell you that a top heavy boat is vulnerable to capsize!
I have to wonder if there's more to the story and the DA is building a case and needs to preserve evidence? I'm kind of shocked that most of the names of the passengers and the relationship they have to the captain and owner have been kept quiet.
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| Posted 7/12/12 10:15 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by nicrae
It was a horrible accident and jail time isn't going to change what happened. The Captain lost his 11 year old daughter. Don't you think he already paid the ultimate price for his mistake?
I agree, he paid the ultimate price & that he truly has been punished "enough".
But then I consider drunk drivers. People that thought they were "sober enough" to drive. Kill a family member in their car & take other people's lives (even a friend's) as a result of their negligence & I reconsidered what "enough" was.
It was a stupid, stupid, stupid mistake. Yes he paid the price. But if you don't punish the negligence in this case, if you don't have criminal penalties, then I wonder when does it become a criminal action? Do you say we won't punish you because your child was killed due to your negligence & that's punishment enough?
Also if the boat owner was aboard that boat, he is just as guilty as the captain IMO. If he lent his brother the boat & never saw it loaded, than I'd say his guilty is equivalent to the car owner whose friend borrows the car, gets drunk & plows into a carful of people.
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| Posted 7/12/12 10:18 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
A Captain is the person in charge of the vessel when it is being driven. I am talking about the Captain of the boat during the accident. The owner of the boat was ON the boat and also let this happen.
And yes, they did pay the ultimate price, but so did another parent who was not on the boat and entrusted her child in the hands of the adults that were present.
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| Posted 7/12/12 10:23 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by nicrae
It was a horrible accident and jail time isn't going to change what happened. The Captain lost his 11 year old daughter. Don't you think he already paid the ultimate price for his mistake?
"Paid the ultimate price"? So the owner and captain deserve no further punishment, monetarily or criminally? If that is so, why do we still charge drunk drivers or others whose negligence has injured/killed people?
That's an emotional sentiment to think "they've suffered enough" but it's not logical. This is why there are different levels of punishment based on intent. Obviously, the harshest punishments are left for those who act with intent.
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