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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Marxism seemed like a good common sense experiment but look at how that little experiment turned out for Cuba.
Everyone is so busy attacking each other and demonizing those who don't believe in free healthcare.
Communists and socialists believe that free healthcare is a fundamental right too. It's long been a core program in Cuba & the Czech Republic, two countries who rank at the bottom in terms of life expectancy & mortality rates for diseases like cancer, strokes & heart attacks.
Instead of those who can afford healthcare having access to good care, NO ONE will have good healthcare as the entire system collapses. Imagine having to delay an important medical procedure because the hospital doesn't have the time, space or manpower to help you. There's a reason Canadians turn to America when their system fails them.
Marxism has been proven time and time again to only work in theory.
Communists and socialists believe that the earth is round. Does that mean that we all have to insist that it's flat? Just because a socialist believes it, doesn't make it automatically wrong. In addition to the awful Cuba and Czech Republic that you point out, here are some of the other nations who offer universal healthcare: Argentina, Austria, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, South Korea, and the UK.
I wrote a response.. but I like yours better.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by rojerono
Why do people always jump to places like Cuba and the like? How about Finland? Denmark?
For the same reason they always say Canadians come here for treatment because their system is rotten.
It's to scare us into believing that our currently broken system is superior.
I don't know ANY Canadian unhappy with their healthcare system. They do get to have private insurance. They can seek treatment elsewhere sometimes. So do Americans. We've been known to go to Mexico and India for treatment.
I have friends in England, Germany, Sweden, Greenland, Australia, New Zealand.. same thing. They have no problem contributing more in the form of taxes because it ends up being less than what they paid here for insurance.
What does it say when we are the only civilized nation without some type of plan in place to provide even the most basic healthcare?
The United States is the only UN nation that did not ratify Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The ONLY UN nation not to do so.
If these figures are correct, we pay the most and have the highest infant mortality rates and lowest life expectency rates.
So yeah, let's keep referencing communist nations which have fallen for reasons OTHER than their universal healthcare, ignoring the fact that all the other countries manage to provide basic care to their citizens and haven't gone belly up. Heck, Germany's been doing it since the late 1800's. Shouldn't that account for something?
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by rojerono
And that is what these people are doing. Things are BROKEN. Most have no CLUE how to fix it but they want attention paid. They want people to notice - people who can fix things.
Some people don't need to be served a sh*t sandwich personally to recognize that it's wrong when their neighbor gets one. Some people fight BEFORE it happens to them. Some wait.
Same thing here. All those people standing in a park with signs are not going to find the cure to the broken system. But they are raising awareness. Geez.. look at Mitt Romney! A month ago he was ****** off and said that the protesters were dangerous.. now? He says he understands their point. People are paying attention. Decision makers are starting to see that people want change and they are paying attention. That is way better than if they'd all stayed home, sucked it up and wished the problem away.. don't you think?
I realize that I did not quote the whole passage but it was too long. I just wanted to say that I TOTALLY agree with you. I was discussing this with my DH last night. I brought up this thread the minute I said Occupy Wall Street he said "Those people are a bunch of losers" I was flabbergasted at his response. So we had a discussion on it, and I made the same point that you made. Yes there are a lot of different issues being protested and it comes off as being unorganized. BUT it should bring to light just HOW many problems there are. It is obvious that there will never be a resolution for occupy wall street, and I am sure those protesting aren't looking for a clear solution, they are looking for attention. We can no longer turn a blind eye to what is going on for most of the country. I also told my DH that if more attention doesn't get paid soon things will turn not good. They are having these protests all over the world now and some of them have become very violent. It is only a matter of time until that happens. When it does in this country it will be a drastic, dramatic and fast revolt.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
I am of the opinion that it's OK - CORRECTION - it's a moral IMPERATIVE to be OUTRAGED when the systems we create and the legislators we elect display a level of corruption that would make Marie Antoinette blush.
And I am not a Socialist, Communist or Marxist.
I am a CAPITALIST. I adore free enterprise, I get absolutely GIDDY when I hear of an individual, who has managed to pull himself up by his proverbial bootstraps and knock it out of the park. NOTHING makes my heart flutter like profits, and dividends, wheeeeee. I LIKE PAYING TAXES.
I also LOVE the idea that in our country, stuff can change. Driven by OUTRAGE. Without a bloody coup.
For those who are content to throw your hands up in the air and say "F it!" (or "AY-O" whatever floats your boat  ), that's cool too. You have always been here. You have always felt overwhelmed by it all. And cynical toward it all. And that's A-OK with me.
If change does transpire, you are entitled to the rewards of that too. You will not be "shut out" from the fruits of it. And rather than annoy me that makes me kinda happy.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by rojerono
Why do people always jump to places like Cuba and the like? How about Finland? Denmark?
I can't speak for anyone else but I always jump to Cuba because my ENTIRE family is cuban. So the impact of their revolution is very real to me.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Posted by rojerono
Why do people always jump to places like Cuba and the like? How about Finland? Denmark?
For the same reason they always say Canadians come here for treatment because their system is rotten.
It's to scare us into believing that our currently broken system is superior.
I referenced Cuba specifically because my grandparents had everything taken from them under Fidel Castro in the 1950's. They watched their beautiful, prosperous country turn into a poverty stricken wasteland devoid of basic human rights. They came to America and successfully rebuilt their lives through hard work and perserverance.
It is VERY easy to make sweeping generalizations and proclaim that your opinion is better than mine. I am simply stating that not all countries with socialist programs are prosperous and thriving. Our system is clearly flawed, and our insurance companies employ deplorable practices but free healthcare can be a slippery slope.
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We could learn a great deal from our European friends, especially Scandinavia IMO. Norway is the best country for motherhood- in terms of mother and child health, and the time they get off from work (BOTH parents are entitled to leave.) They pay way more in taxes, but they get a way better deal. Denmark is "the happiest place on Earth" according to recent studies, but they too are taxed up the yin yang. Finland's education system puts us to shame, even with their strongly unionized teachers.
We are so caught up in our American arrogance, our need to keep our fellow citizens (and the people who come here in search of better lives and indoor plumbing) from having the BASIC things we enjoy, that we don't stop to think and look at how other countries are making it work. Granted, we deal with challenges they don't, but that does not mean there is nothing to be learned from them.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Posted by tarabelle99
Posted by rojerono
Why do people always jump to places like Cuba and the like? How about Finland? Denmark?
For the same reason they always say Canadians come here for treatment because their system is rotten.
It's to scare us into believing that our currently broken system is superior.
I referenced Cuba specifically because my grandparents had everything taken from them under Fidel Castro in the 1950's. They watched their beautiful, prosperous country turn into a poverty stricken wasteland devoid of basic human rights. They came to America and successfully rebuilt their lives through hard work and perserverance.
It is VERY easy to make sweeping generalizations and proclaim that your opinion is better than mine. I am simply stating that not all countries with socialist programs are prosperous and thriving. Our system is clearly flawed, and our insurance companies employ deplorable practices but free healthcare can be a slippery slope.
Responding specifically to "free healthcare can be a slippery slope"...I'm sorry but I'm going to respectfully STRONGLY disagree. Universal healthcare does not equate to socialism or communism. It is a social program, and yes can be an ASPECT of socialism, but the vast majority of the countries that have universal healthcare programs are capitalist countries with strong social welfare systems in place. Welfare as it exists in THIS country is also a social program, and creating a welfare system did not turn the U.S. into a communist state. There is a HUGE spectrum of social welfare programs, and universal healthcare is far from the most left-leaning, 'socialist' or 'communist' program a country can implement.
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tara73
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Jesses-Girl
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Posted by rojerono
Why do people always jump to places like Cuba and the like? How about Finland? Denmark?
For the same reason they always say Canadians come here for treatment because their system is rotten.
It's to scare us into believing that our currently broken system is superior.
I referenced Cuba specifically because my grandparents had everything taken from them under Fidel Castro in the 1950's. They watched their beautiful, prosperous country turn into a poverty stricken wasteland devoid of basic human rights. They came to America and successfully rebuilt their lives through hard work and perserverance.
It is VERY easy to make sweeping generalizations and proclaim that your opinion is better than mine. I am simply stating that not all countries with socialist programs are prosperous and thriving. Our system is clearly flawed, and our insurance companies employ deplorable practices but free healthcare can be a slippery slope.
Your grandparents didn't lose everything because of free healthcare for Cuba's citizens. Spare me the comparison. What Castro's regime did has little to do with betterment of the Cuban people or even providing healthcare.
Do your children use the public school system? That is a socialized institution.
Why does it have to be all or nothing? I dont' think anyone here wants to be another Cuba nor would it ever be that way.
Please don't twist my words and don't put words in my mouth either. I didn't state my opinion was better, I said the reference was used by people to scare us into believing we have it better. Otherwise why not reference Germany? UK? Denmark? Or any other SUCCESSFUL nation with universal healthcare?
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by tarabelle99
Posted by rojerono
Why do people always jump to places like Cuba and the like? How about Finland? Denmark?
For the same reason they always say Canadians come here for treatment because their system is rotten.
It's to scare us into believing that our currently broken system is superior.
I don't know ANY Canadian unhappy with their healthcare system. They do get to have private insurance. They can seek treatment elsewhere sometimes. So do Americans. We've been known to go to Mexico and India for treatment.
I have friends in England, Germany, Sweden, Greenland, Australia, New Zealand.. same thing. They have no problem contributing more in the form of taxes because it ends up being less than what they paid here for insurance.
What does it say when we are the only civilized nation without some type of plan in place to provide even the most basic healthcare?
The United States is the only UN nation that did not ratify Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The ONLY UN nation not to do so.
If these figures are correct, we pay the most and have the highest infant mortality rates and lowest life expectency rates.
So yeah, let's keep referencing communist nations which have fallen for reasons OTHER than their universal healthcare, ignoring the fact that all the other countries manage to provide basic care to their citizens and haven't gone belly up. Heck, Germany's been doing it since the late 1800's. Shouldn't that account for something?
BRAVO!!!! Thank you!
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by tarabelle99
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Posted by tarabelle99
Posted by rojerono
Why do people always jump to places like Cuba and the like? How about Finland? Denmark?
For the same reason they always say Canadians come here for treatment because their system is rotten.
It's to scare us into believing that our currently broken system is superior.
I referenced Cuba specifically because my grandparents had everything taken from them under Fidel Castro in the 1950's. They watched their beautiful, prosperous country turn into a poverty stricken wasteland devoid of basic human rights. They came to America and successfully rebuilt their lives through hard work and perserverance.
It is VERY easy to make sweeping generalizations and proclaim that your opinion is better than mine. I am simply stating that not all countries with socialist programs are prosperous and thriving. Our system is clearly flawed, and our insurance companies employ deplorable practices but free healthcare can be a slippery slope.
Your grandparents didn't lose everything because of free healthcare for Cuba's citizens. Spare me the comparison. What Castro's regime did has little to do with betterment of the Cuban people or even providing healthcare.
Do your children use the public school system? That is a socialized institution.
Why does it have to be all or nothing? I dont' think anyone here wants to be another Cuba nor would it ever be that way.
Please don't twist my words and don't put words in my mouth either. I didn't state my opinion was better, I said the reference was used by people to scare us into believing we have it better. Otherwise why not reference Germany? UK? Denmark? Or any other SUCCESSFUL nation with universal healthcare?
I never said they lost everything because of universal healthcare. I said that free healthcare is a socialist ideal and that it CAN lead to the collapse of a prosperous country.
The only reason I brought it up was as a response to your incorrect assesment that I brought up Cuba in order to "scare" people into believing our system is superior.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by tarabelle99
Posted by rojerono
Why do people always jump to places like Cuba and the like? How about Finland? Denmark?
For the same reason they always say Canadians come here for treatment because their system is rotten.
It's to scare us into believing that our currently broken system is superior.
Read.
Why do PEOPLE always.....
Generalized question. It didn't say Why does jesses-girl....
My answer, to a general question, was a generalization.
I hope your children go to private schools. That is a socialized institution as well.
We can sit here an argue about the semantics of it all day, but the fact remains, free healthcare didn't bring down Cuba. 
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by cateyemm
Did everyone stay up all night just to continue this thread?
I've been working.  now I am playing catch up.
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| Posted 10/19/11 10:42 AM |
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by tarabelle99
Posted by tarabelle99
Posted by rojerono
Why do people always jump to places like Cuba and the like? How about Finland? Denmark?
For the same reason they always say Canadians come here for treatment because their system is rotten.
It's to scare us into believing that our currently broken system is superior.
Read.
Why do PEOPLE always.....
Generalized question. It didn't say Why does jesses-girl....
My answer, to a general question, was a generalization.
I hope your children go to private schools. That is a socialized institution as well.
We can sit here an argue about the semantics of it all day, but the fact remains, free healthcare didn't bring down Cuba.
You clearly quoted Rojerono's quote of MY POST, therefore directly commenting on my reference of Cuba. I don't appreciate your patronizing. You've manipulated my words to favor your agenda twice now. It is my opinion that the healthcare system in Cuba was an integral part of the society's collapse. I'm sorry that you aren't tolerant of opinions other than your own.
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people are ridiculous. they throw the word socialism around as a scare tactic.
the simple fact is, the top countries in the world have socialist health care systems and HAPPY people.
Norway, Finland, Denmark, and Switzerland amoung others. the brits also have it, and our favorite resident brits didn't fly back here to birth their spawn. they happyily gave birth in a "socialist" hospital. people in these countries can still become rich. be entreupreurs, they have a capitalist economy.
it's a red herring. pun intended.
our model is simply NOT the best model.
we can STILL maintain a competitive society but cast a wider social net. other people do it and do it well.
sure, you'd be taxed more but you also would not go bankrupt b/c of an illness, or have to take on a second job to send your child to school. you give more to the pot BUT you don't spend as much b/c this stuff is covered.
and enough with the "if you don't like it, leave"
thanks, but I'd rather emulate TJ, BF, and GW and FIX my country. and HELP its people.
if we tell people we have to accept their lot in life, it doesn't just apply to the poor. it also applies to those who have resources galore...b/c it is their lot to pay what is FAIR and what keeps the society that supports them afloat.
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tara73
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Jesses-Girl
Posted by tarabelle99
Posted by tarabelle99
Posted by rojerono
Why do people always jump to places like Cuba and the like? How about Finland? Denmark?
For the same reason they always say Canadians come here for treatment because their system is rotten.
It's to scare us into believing that our currently broken system is superior.
Read.
Why do PEOPLE always.....
Generalized question. It didn't say Why does jesses-girl....
My answer, to a general question, was a generalization.
I hope your children go to private schools. That is a socialized institution as well.
We can sit here an argue about the semantics of it all day, but the fact remains, free healthcare didn't bring down Cuba.
You clearly quoted Rojerono's quote of MY POST, therefore directly commenting on my reference of Cuba. I don't appreciate your patronizing. You've manipulated my words to favor your agenda twice now. It is my opinion that the healthcare system in Cuba was an integral part of the society's collapse. I'm sorry that you aren't tolerant of opinions other than your own.
I didn't patronize you or manipulate your words. You were quite clear in your posts that healthcare brought Cuba down. Look, you just said it AGAIN.
Right here:
It is my opinion that the healthcare system in Cuba was an integral part of the society's collapse
Funny, I thought it was many factors, one of the biggest being the US trade embargo in place for the last 50 or so years.
Why do you refuse to acknowledge that MANY other nations have SUCCESSFUL healthcare plans for its' citizens?
ETA: you weren't the ONLY person to mention Cuba either. So how you think it's all about you is beyond me
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by rojerono
Here's the resounding theme I hear from people who are anti - OWS.. not just on here.. but in my real life encounters as well.
"I work hard, I do my best, I pay my taxes .. if stuff happens to me I will just suck it up and deal - because that's part of the unspoken social contract we have as Americans."
I call BS. And I don't mean that to be mean - I mean it because I KNOW people are made of stronger stuff than THAT. If things work now - you don't need to tap into that inner resource that you have. You don't need to rely on anyone else except your families (btw.. the idea of relying on anyone else.. even your family .. is socialist in nature). Most of you have the luxury of ignoring the massive crisis before us because it hasn't effected you personally. Some of you see the problem, but since you don't see a way to fix it and since it's not effecting you personally - you can shrug your shoulders at it and ignore it.
But you are stronger than that. If push came to shove.. if suddenly the broken system turned on you.. you would be looking for answers to. Maybe you wouldn't be standing out in the cold on the street. Maybe you wouldn't be on message boards trying to call attention to it. Maybe you wouldn't be rattling the political cages... but I don't believe for one second you'd just sit there and eat the sh*t you've been served and smile. You'd rally. You'd try to figure out what YOU could do to fix things - if not for the world at the very least for your own families.
And that is what these people are doing. Things are BROKEN. Most have no CLUE how to fix it but they want attention paid. They want people to notice - people who can fix things.
Some people don't need to be served a sh*t sandwich personally to recognize that it's wrong when their neighbor gets one. Some people fight BEFORE it happens to them. Some wait.
Ever go to a breast cancer walk? Tons of people there have NEVER been effected by breast cancer.. but they go because they want to make a difference. They want to help find a cure for something that effects a lot of people in dramatic and terrible ways. You can say "Well those walks raise money for research!" But really they are more about raising AWARENESS so that research is considered a priority.. KWIM??
Same thing here. All those people standing in a park with signs are not going to find the cure to the broken system. But they are raising awareness. Geez.. look at Mitt Romney! A month ago he was ****** off and said that the protesters were dangerous.. now? He says he understands their point. People are paying attention. Decision makers are starting to see that people want change and they are paying attention. That is way better than if they'd all stayed home, sucked it up and wished the problem away.. don't you think?
Will you be my new best friend??? 
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by rojerono
Here's the resounding theme I hear from people who are anti - OWS.. not just on here.. but in my real life encounters as well.
"I work hard, I do my best, I pay my taxes .. if stuff happens to me I will just suck it up and deal - because that's part of the unspoken social contract we have as Americans."
I call BS. And I don't mean that to be mean - I mean it because I KNOW people are made of stronger stuff than THAT. If things work now - you don't need to tap into that inner resource that you have. You don't need to rely on anyone else except your families (btw.. the idea of relying on anyone else.. even your family .. is socialist in nature). Most of you have the luxury of ignoring the massive crisis before us because it hasn't effected you personally. Some of you see the problem, but since you don't see a way to fix it and since it's not effecting you personally - you can shrug your shoulders at it and ignore it.
But you are stronger than that. If push came to shove.. if suddenly the broken system turned on you.. you would be looking for answers to. Maybe you wouldn't be standing out in the cold on the street. Maybe you wouldn't be on message boards trying to call attention to it. Maybe you wouldn't be rattling the political cages... but I don't believe for one second you'd just sit there and eat the sh*t you've been served and smile. You'd rally. You'd try to figure out what YOU could do to fix things - if not for the world at the very least for your own families.
And that is what these people are doing. Things are BROKEN. Most have no CLUE how to fix it but they want attention paid. They want people to notice - people who can fix things.
Some people don't need to be served a sh*t sandwich personally to recognize that it's wrong when their neighbor gets one. Some people fight BEFORE it happens to them. Some wait.
Ever go to a breast cancer walk? Tons of people there have NEVER been effected by breast cancer.. but they go because they want to make a difference. They want to help find a cure for something that effects a lot of people in dramatic and terrible ways. You can say "Well those walks raise money for research!" But really they are more about raising AWARENESS so that research is considered a priority.. KWIM??
Same thing here. All those people standing in a park with signs are not going to find the cure to the broken system. But they are raising awareness. Geez.. look at Mitt Romney! A month ago he was ****** off and said that the protesters were dangerous.. now? He says he understands their point. People are paying attention. Decision makers are starting to see that people want change and they are paying attention. That is way better than if they'd all stayed home, sucked it up and wished the problem away.. don't you think?
Will you be my new best friend???
me too
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we have a great life.
we make well into the 6 figures. we have a great apt in a nice location in the city and a lovely little home upstate.
we take great vacations.
we have a beautiful and healthy child that we can afford to spoil if we choose to
we take awesome vacations all around the world.
we have health insurance.
we eat great food, buy organic, and eat out whenever we want.
and this is how I feel:
how LUCKY are WE!!!! what incredible fortune has shown down on us.
how sad does it make me to know there are HUNGRY children IN THIS CITY right now while my kid has his belly full.
that there are people who piss and **** in the same clothes they have to walk around society in, begging for spare change.
it doesn't matter TO ME what percent I am in if there is 1% of the above happening!!!!!
we want to blame this people so we can cast aspersions on them to make us feel more deserving and less guilty.
but the truth still remains..
but for the grace of God/Allah/Jehovah/Mr. Winkles/etc go *I*.
that is all I need to know.
I hate this ****. I need to shut my computer off.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by MrsProfessor
We could learn a great deal from our European friends, especially Scandinavia IMO. Norway is the best country for motherhood- in terms of mother and child health, and the time they get off from work (BOTH parents are entitled to leave.) They pay way more in taxes, but they get a way better deal. Denmark is "the happiest place on Earth" according to recent studies, but they too are taxed up the yin yang. Finland's education system puts us to shame, even with their strongly unionized teachers.
We are so caught up in our American arrogance, our need to keep our fellow citizens (and the people who come here in search of better lives and indoor plumbing) from having the BASIC things we enjoy, that we don't stop to think and look at how other countries are making it work. Granted, we deal with challenges they don't, but that does not mean there is nothing to be learned from them.
And here's the bottom line..
They don't CARE they are taxed so high. THEY DON'T even care!
Because they trust in their government, because their government puts them first and protects them and because thattax money improves their quality of life in ways they can have faith in.
I am jealous.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by colette
For those who are content to throw your hands up in the air and say "F it!" (or "AY-O" whatever floats your boat ), that's cool too. You have always been here. You have always felt overwhelmed by it all. And cynical toward it all. And that's A-OK with me.
I throw my hands up in the air sometimes saying, "AY-O, Galileo.". I am the 37%.
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| Posted 10/19/11 2:13 PM |
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brownie
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by neenie
Posted by colette
For those who are content to throw your hands up in the air and say "F it!" (or "AY-O" whatever floats your boat ), that's cool too. You have always been here. You have always felt overwhelmed by it all. And cynical toward it all. And that's A-OK with me.
I throw my hands up in the air sometimes saying, "AY-O, Galileo.". I am the 37%.
Do you wave 'em in the air like you just don't care?
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| Posted 10/19/11 2:18 PM |
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Jesses-Girl
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by tarabelle99
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Posted by rojerono
Why do people always jump to places like Cuba and the like? How about Finland? Denmark?
For the same reason they always say Canadians come here for treatment because their system is rotten.
It's to scare us into believing that our currently broken system is superior.
Read.
Why do PEOPLE always.....
Generalized question. It didn't say Why does jesses-girl....
My answer, to a general question, was a generalization.
I hope your children go to private schools. That is a socialized institution as well.
We can sit here an argue about the semantics of it all day, but the fact remains, free healthcare didn't bring down Cuba.
You clearly quoted Rojerono's quote of MY POST, therefore directly commenting on my reference of Cuba. I don't appreciate your patronizing. You've manipulated my words to favor your agenda twice now. It is my opinion that the healthcare system in Cuba was an integral part of the society's collapse. I'm sorry that you aren't tolerant of opinions other than your own.
I didn't patronize you or manipulate your words. You were quite clear in your posts that healthcare brought Cuba down. Look, you just said it AGAIN.
Right here:
It is my opinion that the healthcare system in Cuba was an integral part of the society's collapse
Funny, I thought it was many factors, one of the biggest being the US trade embargo in place for the last 50 or so years.
Why do you refuse to acknowledge that MANY other nations have SUCCESSFUL healthcare plans for its' citizens?
ETA: you weren't the ONLY person to mention Cuba either. So how you think it's all about you is beyond me
For the last time, you quoted my post! You put words in my mouth twice, once by claiming that I was using Cuba as a "scare tactic" and the second time by insisting that I blame healthcare for Cuba's demise (which is not what I said). Last time I checked, the word PART meant a contributing factor, not the sole reason. You clearly stated that it is a "fact" that healthcare didn't bring down Cuba. Glad you are the expert
And what on earth do you think the embargo was for? It was a response to the lack of respect for human rights. Half of Cuban doctors fled the country when Castro implemented his healthcare system amongst other changes to their government. You clearly fail to see the bigger picture.
It's people like you who hinder friendly debate on these boards, since you have such a lack of respect for opinions other than your own.
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| Posted 10/19/11 2:36 PM |
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neenie
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by brownie
Posted by neenie
Posted by colette
For those who are content to throw your hands up in the air and say "F it!" (or "AY-O" whatever floats your boat ), that's cool too. You have always been here. You have always felt overwhelmed by it all. And cynical toward it all. And that's A-OK with me.
I throw my hands up in the air sometimes saying, "AY-O, Galileo.". I am the 37%.
Do you wave 'em in the air like you just don't care?
Ugh, so bourgeois.
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| Posted 10/19/11 2:50 PM |
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