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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I'm surprised at the responses on this thread.
To me Occupy Wall Street has one message. The "system" is broken for 99% of Americans.
You can debate how to fix it, government policies, etc but to equate the problems OUR country faces to not working hard enough & not living frugally enough is pathetic & ingnorant.
Someone tell me how our current tax structure, lobbying & special interest groups IS working & then maybe I'd reconsider my stance.
seriously. want to cry. like really cry reading this thread. we are doomed.
People just don't get it . So sad.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Posted by nrthshgrl
I'm surprised at the responses on this thread.
To me Occupy Wall Street has one message. The "system" is broken for 99% of Americans.
You can debate how to fix it, government policies, etc but to equate the problems OUR country faces to not working hard enough & not living frugally enough is pathetic & ingnorant.
Someone tell me how our current tax structure, lobbying & special interest groups IS working & then maybe I'd reconsider my stance.
seriously. want to cry. like really cry reading this thread. we are doomed.
Completely agree.
And can someone tell me any differently why the hell lobbying is legal?
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but actually it makes total sense.
I see it like a defense mechanism. like, just put your head down and keep on working and everything will be fine.
It can't happen to me b/c I do this this this and that....we think we can save ourselves but we can't.
**** happens. if MC hammer can go broke, anyone can.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Posted by Ophelia
Posted by nrthshgrl
I'm surprised at the responses on this thread.
To me Occupy Wall Street has one message. The "system" is broken for 99% of Americans.
You can debate how to fix it, government policies, etc but to equate the problems OUR country faces to not working hard enough & not living frugally enough is pathetic & ingnorant.
Someone tell me how our current tax structure, lobbying & special interest groups IS working & then maybe I'd reconsider my stance.
seriously. want to cry. like really cry reading this thread. we are doomed.
Completely agree.
And can someone tell me any differently why the hell lobbying is legal?
AGREED! 
I seriously am saddened thinking of my childrens future. The work hard and you'll succeed convo is NOT going to get them anywhere unless things change .
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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**** happens. if MC hammer can go broke, anyone can.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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**** happens. if MC hammer can go broke, anyone can.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by nrthshgrl
I'm surprised at the responses on this thread.
To me Occupy Wall Street has one message. The "system" is broken for 99% of Americans.
You can debate how to fix it, government policies, etc but to equate the problems OUR country faces to not working hard enough & not living frugally enough is pathetic & ignorant.
Someone tell me how our current tax structure, lobbying & special interest groups IS working & then maybe I'd reconsider my stance.
This.
It's like frigging Stockholm Syndrome or something. 
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
sorry but my view on this, comes from gut and morals..
That bum on the street, you have no friggen idea what their story is..maybe they were a baby born into it, maybe they had millions, and blew it..maybe they dont give a cr*p about your "society" and usually those are the homeless that wont even go to shelters or hospitals when theyre sick..
That drug addict..the one over there, who may or may not be related to your friend, cousin, daughter, neighbor, brother..
i cannot stand the "well, im better then THAT one over there" mentality...some of you need to pick up a bible, or go to temple or wherever you may worship and ask yourselves if ignoring simple humanity bc they choose, or just happen to get stuck with a different, less endearing path then you is ok with your soul. If you still feel "right" with your answer, please msg me, so i can pray that nothing terrible ever happens to you that would put you in these undesirable situations. We're talking about human life people. Now i know why i stay off here. 
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
This thread is sad. The way some people think frightens me. 
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Posted by MommyAgain
sorry but my view on this, comes from gut and morals..
That bum on the street, you have no friggen idea what their story is..maybe they were a baby born into it, maybe they had millions, and blew it..maybe they dont give a cr*p about your "society" and usually those are the homeless that wont even go to shelters or hospitals when theyre sick..
Not just that, but a great majority of homeless are veterans. And you know how everyone acts about veterans....they fought for the country, they are amazing, etc, etc, etc.....but if they are homeless, they are just gum on the bottom of a shoe, apparently. Sad.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by colette
Posted by nrthshgrl
I'm surprised at the responses on this thread.
To me Occupy Wall Street has one message. The "system" is broken for 99% of Americans.
You can debate how to fix it, government policies, etc but to equate the problems OUR country faces to not working hard enough & not living frugally enough is pathetic & ignorant.
Someone tell me how our current tax structure, lobbying & special interest groups IS working & then maybe I'd reconsider my stance.
This.
It's like frigging Stockholm Syndrome or something.
Yes
but in fact it's totally the opposite. I mean that's just the problem. People are saying "Well, I am where I am because I worked my butt off and blah blah blah"
The problem is that you're making as assumption that that opportunity is there. That "American Dream" exists, when in fact it does NOT exist. We were told it was true all of our lives, and you know what? Maybe some people did take out larger school loans for advanced degrees or didn't work 2 jobs in favor of better grades at a more competitive school because all along haven't we all been told it would pay off? Be good, get good grades, go to school, and you will get a good job. I don't think anyone is saying "So I got my bachelor's degree, where is my $100K job?"
It makes me SICK when people call the OWS people lazy or entitled or whatever. Shouldn't people in our country BE entitled to the opportunity to work hard and earn a living? The best is when they say "get a job!" I have many friends who are brilliant and have advanced degrees and can't find work no matter how hard they try, or they are working at jobs that don't cover basic living expenses, let alone student loans. Yes, student loans. The student loans we were told all along were "good debt" and an "investment in our future."
I wish people get off their high horses for 2 seconds. If you have a job right now, you're LUCKY. It isn't because you're better or smarter or work harder than everyone else. I'm sure for every person on this board with a job they feel they deserve because they busted their butt, there are dozens if not hundreds of people down in Zuccotti park who would be willing to work just as hard if not harder for the same job, and they may be just as skilled if not more skilled.
I feel we're wasting such a precious resource with so many highly educated people out of work. Some people would argue that companies can't hire because there is no demand, but there would be more demand if more companies hired, and my company is constantly laying people off and believe me, it is NOT because we have more staff than our sales demand. We're even profitable. It's just that the company's first priority is the stockholders and not the employees or the customers.
In terms of my feelings. The syste, DOES NOT WORK. This is true on many levels. The democracy we have right now is a joke, especially after the Citizens United ruling. It is not longer about 1 person, 1 vote. The wealthiest people, and their corporations not only have a ridiculous portion of the wealth in the US, but of political power. My vote is not worth as much as their donations and lobbying dollars.
If you are living a comfortable lifestyle, then that's a good thing, but you have to realize that that rug can be pulled out from under you at any second and even if it isn't, it's a PROBLEM that so many people will never be afforded the opportunity to be as successful.
How is asking for the opportunity to work hard and contribute to society the same as asking for a handout?
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Posted by MommyAgain
sorry but my view on this, comes from gut and morals..
That bum on the street, you have no friggen idea what their story is..maybe they were a baby born into it, maybe they had millions, and blew it..maybe they dont give a cr*p about your "society" and usually those are the homeless that wont even go to shelters or hospitals when theyre sick..
Not just that, but a great majority of homeless are veterans. And you know how everyone acts about veterans....they fought for the country, they are amazing, etc, etc, etc.....but if they are homeless, they are just gum on the bottom of a shoe, apparently. Sad.
Excellent point
My DH works at a VA and sees this all the time, its really sad
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
I am NOT a tea partyer but I watched some of the Tea Party debate and there was a point where someone asked, what if a 30 year old man was sick and had no health insurance. Should he die? A few members of the audience yelled YES! This thread reminds me of that. Check it out:
Link to video/article
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
The other argument I keep hearing is "I am the 53%" basically putting down the people who don't pay taxes.
I think the bigger problem is the corporations and wealthy americans who don't pay their fair share.
Also, it's insulting. Most years my mother pays no Federal Income tax. Is she a lazy bum living off the system? Not at all. She was someone who had the rug pulled out from under her and she works a government job that is constantly in danger for very low pay. With the normal deductions and the mortgage on the house she's lived in all her life, she ends up not paying any taxes. Without her modest tax refund, she would be even less able to afford to live. As it is, she skips months of her medication because she can't afford it, and she can't afford home repairs (not remodeling..we're not talking granite countertops, but fixing 60 year old shingles, etc). I support my mom. There are MANY people like her who work very hard to support themselves. I have NO problem with paying more taxes so that the neediest people have more of a chance. In turn, the people who have more money than they could ever possibly spend should be willing to pay more.
It's sickening that people will get on TV or on the internet and bash the people who don't pay taxes. Those are often the people who struggle the most and are the least fortunate among us. It's fine to kick someone who is barely getting by on $15K a year, but it's communism and anti-american to say that someone making Scrooge McDuck money should pay their fair share.
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Posted by MommyAgain
sorry but my view on this, comes from gut and morals..
That bum on the street, you have no friggen idea what their story is..maybe they were a baby born into it, maybe they had millions, and blew it..maybe they dont give a cr*p about your "society" and usually those are the homeless that wont even go to shelters or hospitals when theyre sick..
Not just that, but a great majority of homeless are veterans. And you know how everyone acts about veterans....they fought for the country, they are amazing, etc, etc, etc.....but if they are homeless, they are just gum on the bottom of a shoe, apparently. Sad.
Excellent point
My DH works at a VA and sees this all the time, its really sad
it really is I had no clue until I did a research paper on PTSD, and I stumbled upon the stats of homeless veterans.....it's not that they are lazy or looking for a handout, it's just that many have severe PTSD and got lost in the system. Absolutely terrible.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by nrthshgrl
I'm surprised at the responses on this thread.
To me Occupy Wall Street has one message. The "system" is broken for 99% of Americans.
You can debate how to fix it, government policies, etc but to equate the problems OUR country faces to not working hard enough & not living frugally enough is pathetic & ingnorant.
Someone tell me how our current tax structure, lobbying & special interest groups IS working & then maybe I'd reconsider my stance.
I love you Barb.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Major American corporations and the wealthy executives of those employ millions of people in this country. Their personal wealth offers employment opportunities for even more people.
90% of the tradesmen & women in residential construction in NYC & LI that are lucky enough to still be employed have been building/renovating homes for the uber rich. My husband builds new contruction in Hamptons and his company can employ as many as 80 men for each house, many of these homes are built with "wall street money". Imagine how many more tradespeople would be unemployed around here if the super wealthy didn't have money to spend. Not to mention the people that maintain their homes, cars, boats, and so many other things.
Could some major corporations pay more taxes, sure. However that is not the only problem in this situation.
So many union workers are laid off or unemployed now, yet the greedy union leaders refuse to make reasonable concessions in order to save jobs.
Jobs are outsourced to other countries & I'd bet all of the money in my 401k that workers in those countries aren't on the internet pontificating their political views and opinions while they are on their bosses dime.
Just look at how much time people from the private sector and even government workers spend on LIF.
No wonder we can't compete with the other countries. Our efficiency is at an all time low because we are too distracted by other things.
Work is WORK...it shouldn't be filled with hours of recreational activities like chatting on a message board.
There are fundamental/moral issues in this country that need to be addressed.
We are NOT smarter, we are NOT willing to work the hardest, we do NOT manufacture anything unique.
Not everyone should go to college....we don't need a hundred thousand people with English degrees every year. We need people that are willing to get this country building things again, why can't some of the millions of square feet of empty industrial space
but converted into factories that build solar panels so we don't need to get them from china? There are so many examples of things that need to change and PEOPLE that need to stop making excuses and start putting the change in motion.
Its time to look at the BIG picture and realize there are many components playing into this mess, its not the fault of Wall Street alone if at all.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Posted by KellyFG
Major American corporations and the wealthy executives of those employ millions of people in this country. Their personal wealth offers employment opportunities for even more people.
90% of the tradesmen & women in residential construction in NYC & LI that are lucky enough to still be employed have been building/renovating homes for the uber rich. My husband builds new contruction in Hamptons and his company can employ as many as 80 men for each house, many of these homes are built with "wall street money". Imagine how many more tradespeople would be unemployed around here if the super wealthy didn't have money to spend. Not to mention the people that maintain their homes, cars, boats, and so many other things.
Could some major corporations pay more taxes, sure. However that is not the only problem in this situation.
So many union workers are laid off or unemployed now, yet the greedy union leaders refuse to make reasonable concessions in order to save jobs.
Jobs are outsourced to other countries & I'd bet all of the money in my 401k that workers in those countries aren't on the internet pontificating their political views and opinions while they are on their bosses dime.
Just look at how much time people from the private sector and even government workers spend on LIF.
No wonder we can't compete with the other countries. Our efficiency is at an all time low because we are too distracted by other things.
Work is WORK...it shouldn't be filled with hours of recreational activities like chatting on a message board.
There are fundamental/moral issues in this country that need to be addressed.
We are NOT smarter, we are NOT willing to work the hardest, we do NOT manufacture anything unique.
Not everyone should go to college....we don't need a hundred thousand people with English degrees every year. We need people that are willing to get this country building things again, why can't some of the millions of square feet of empty industrial space
but converted into factories that build solar panels so we don't need to get them from china? There are so many examples of things that need to change and PEOPLE that need to stop making excuses and start putting the change in motion.
Its time to look at the BIG picture and realize there are many components playing into this mess, its not the fault of Wall Street alone if at all.
I agree with this as well, especially about the college degrees part.
I also think basic healthcare should be provided for all by the government....
can these things co-exist?
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I don't think everyone should be "entitled" (for lack of a better word) to the same things. (healthcare, housing, etc.) Some people have more valuable skills, more education, work harder, better luck, etc. etc. and as such should be compensated for that. I don't begrudge anyone with money, I can only do what I can to make my life the best it can be and hopefully give my DD and any future children a good life. Just sayin'.
Am I reading this right, you don't think everyone should be given healthcare?
Do I think the drug addict on the street contributing nothing to society in any way deserves healthcare when the rest of us have to work hard and pay for healthcare benefits? Then the answer is yes, I don't think EVERYONE deserves the SAME healthcare benefits. I have a problem with noncontributing members of society sucking benefits they don't deserve such as the mom with 8 kids who keeps getting pregnant and collecting welfare or the loser drug addict who hasn't worked a day in his life being given health benefits. Sorry, DH and I work hard for what we have. Nobody deserves a free handout.
you don't work. you are covered through your dh through a system that has you covered b/c OTHER people contribute to it. the only difference is, you don't do drugs (I imagine)
all healthcare is socialist. most insurances are built like that. we all put into a pool and people take what they need at different times, and it all evens out in the end.
I understand that but we are paying into that pool of insurance. What I am talking about is the jobless, noncontributing member of society who is NOT paying into the system yet reaping the benefits of it. KWIM?
you are jobless. so someone looking at you could say the same thing. this is ugly. this shouldn't come out of anyone's mind. I am blown away. I am sorry. it's just wrong.
maybe someone else is paying into the system. maybe they had a job for years and never got sick but paid in that whole time, but now they need it and they are not covered. what then???? I just can't wrap my brain around this at all.
I am jobless by choice with a DH who PAYS a cr@pload of money into our FAMILY medical plan so we can be covered. He works and pays so we can have benefits. I was NOT talking about a SAHM (as an example) or people who were laid off when I was referring to who "deserves" healthcare. I was referring to people who have never contributed anything to society at large yet reap the benefits we all pay for. Such as a drug addict or the person with eight kids who has NEVER worked. I was not referring to someone who lost a job or chooses to stay home. I wish people would READ BEFORE they post.
Oh so because you CHOOSE to not work it's ok?
I got news for you, I DO work and I DON'T have health insurance.
I work for a VERY small non-profit.
I'm debt FREE.
If something catastrophic befalls me health wise, I'm SCREWED.
BANKRUPTED.
Do you know how much it cost me to go to my OB/GYN for my annual and get a PAP smear? $1127. Now to me, that's BASIC healthcare - I paid it and SUCKED IT UP but rest assured I bet the cost has NEVER even crossed your mind.
I can only PRAY I don't get sick because GOD ONLY KNOWS how much something SERIOUS would cost.
It's so SAD that you would even think people aren't deserving of the same GREAT healthcare.
Who are YOU to put ANY sort of value on someone's life?
By your own admission you don't work. YOU don't contribute. I guess by YOUR logic YOU shouldn't have any healthcare since it's NOT YOUR SALARY paying for it.
Very sad.
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kelly internet use is not why we can't compete. we started losing jobs long before facebook and LIF came along.
we can't compete b/c we want to be paid more than 2 dollars a day. seamstresses and trades people wouldnt have a computer anyway. it's apples and oranges...or just a dig. but either way, it's a moot point.
and luckily for me, I can data process AND pontificate. multi-tasking. what is more efficient than that?!!!!
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by nrthshgrl
I'm surprised at the responses on this thread.
To me Occupy Wall Street has one message. The "system" is broken for 99% of Americans.
You can debate how to fix it, government policies, etc but to equate the problems OUR country faces to not working hard enough & not living frugally enough is pathetic & ingnorant.
Someone tell me how our current tax structure, lobbying & special interest groups IS working & then maybe I'd reconsider my stance.
seriously. want to cry. like really cry reading this thread. we are doomed.
I agree with the above. I don't have an answer. There isn't one single answer or solution that can fix everything. I think that as a whole, society has gotten messed up and too materialistic. Yes, people should work hard. But they should also be able to spend time with their families. Children need us. We need each other. It shouldn't be that we have to work non-stop, never see our family, and barely get sleep to make ends meet. It's killing people, emotionally and physically. It's like we get mixed messages from everywhere--work harder, longer, do whatever it takes to pay the bills. Then your doctor will say, slow down, take it easy, exercise more, you're killing yourself. Then your friends and family will say, spend more time with your children and your loved ones. You're shrink will say--take time for you, make yourself a priority. It seems impossible to do this all! And all along the way, everywhere you go is the latest development and device and there is this pressure to have the latest and greatest. Somehow, some way, we (meaning we as a society) need to make it possible for people to work and earn enough money to support a family's basic needs, to spend meaningful, quality time with friends and loved ones, and to have enough time to take care of ourselves physically (meaning sleep enough, exercise, cook well balanced meals.)
Again, I don't have an answer... I just know that things have gotten really messed up. It seems so few people are genuinely happy and satisfied with life as a whole, and that is really, really sad.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by brownie
I agree with this as well, especially about the college degrees part.
I also think basic healthcare should be provided for all by the government....
can these things co-exist?
I also agree that not everyone should go to college...but what trade jobs are still left here???
and....all of those trade jobs could be created if corporations paid CORPORATE taxes and we had the money to rebuild. no taxes, no money for infrastructure, no trade jobs for the new trade school graduates.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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More than anything, OWS has taught me the sad reality that -- most people can't understand what their neighbors are going through. As long as THEY are okay, then EVERYONE MUST BE OKAY. . . and if they are not, they did something wrong to get them there.
Bullsh!t, most of us are actively working hard to improve out situation day in and day out.
How is banging on bongos going to improve one's situation?
When i graduated from college the economy was in the tank and jobs were hard to find but you did't see my class harassing people on the way to work. Instead we were out there taking entry level job and working our way up the chain. How many of these OWS folks are willing to pay their dues? How many expect a $60k+ management position just because they hold a college degree?
This is what aggravates me the most. I believe, from what I've seen, that this is what the majority of protesters are "complaining" about, instead of addressing the discrepancy between the 1% and the 99% (no matter how you feel about it).
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Jennie, the solution is obvious - just get married again 
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Posted by Hofstra26
All arguments aside one way or the other...............what is REAL point of "Occupy Wall Street". Honestly, from everything I've read online and seen on the news they have NO "real" message, NO real plan of action, no list of ideas on how to fix anything, no goal, no anything. Sitting around and whining about the top 1% of wealth in this country is not going to fix anything with our economy.
I get that the economy stinks right now and finding a job isn't very easy but I'm not really sure what these people hope to achieve when all is said and done. What's the end game here? What do they hope to accomplish? I just don't get it really. I *personally* think it's a fruitless effort. I could be wrong, but the whole thing just seems so misguided and all over the place. Perhaps if there was a more cohesive message, goal, and plan it would be different but this just seems like organized whining right now.
If someone wants to enlighten me, feel free.
I like to be enlightened too.
The other day I asked DH- Well what do they WANT?
Like what do they want in order to stop the protesting? What is the goal?
I am not flaming what they are doing, etc- just genuinely curious as to what it is they want....
honestly I did too.
I kind of told him, I dont get it...what are they fighting for exactly?
A protest normally starts with a demand, and I dont see it.
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