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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Since this thread has derailed, i'll be honest...
I pay for daycare. this is why at age 34, I have to put off having another child because we wouldn't be able to afford 2 in daycare. And we wouldn't be able to afford one income. Rock. Hard place.
My son is in the same room with the children of moms who are 20-23 and have 5 kids already. i am not joking. They are not all working, these moms. Most are, but not all.
And i'm sorry, there is no way these moms are paying over 5,000 a month in child care.
And some - not all - but some, come in so beautifully dressed - with matching Nikes for each outfit... it is frustrating. Maybe they were gifts, hand me downs, whatever... But I have worked in schools where the clothes were brand new, and the kids were sooo poor
Cailen's daycare teacher that he loved got pregnant, and had a baby when she was 20. She said she would come back, but now decided she wants to stay home with her baby. I know she is on public assistance (she told me) and I like her a lot and know she would be a fabuous mom, but I can't help but feel a bit resentful that this young girl can just "decide" not to work because she wants to stay home and be a mom on someone else's dime. Call me bitter, but this is how i feel.
You are not alone. My sister who had a baby in November last year, originally planned on having another baby soon after this one and was afraid it might happen around my wedding 6/27/09. After buying a new house and paying $1200 a month for daycare. She said they will have to put having another one on hold due to the expenses.
In an earlier post I had mentioned that my old assistant is one of "those people" who shouldn't have a child. She falls right under those moms you were talking about at your daycare. I've tried to help this lady and keep in mind she is 40 years old now. She smokes, drinks, plays the scratch offs, doesn't buy food, asks people to borrow money, only sent her child to the babysitter with one meal and one drink for 9 hours and only was paying $100 month to the babysitter. I told her to get another job that paid more, didn't want to. I tried helping her/guiding her with her finances could care less. Child is/was malnourished. The only thing she did do that someone reccommended to her was get him into Daycare center and she only has to pay $80 a month all meals are being paid for by the state, and my sister along with others is paying $1200- however much in daycare. It's not right.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Since this thread has derailed, i'll be honest...
I pay for daycare. this is why at age 34, I have to put off having another child because we wouldn't be able to afford 2 in daycare. And we wouldn't be able to afford one income. Rock. Hard place.
My son is in the same room with the children of moms who are 20-23 and have 5 kids already. i am not joking. They are not all working, these moms. Most are, but not all.
And i'm sorry, there is no way these moms are paying over 5,000 a month in child care.
And some - not all - but some, come in so beautifully dressed - with matching Nikes for each outfit... it is frustrating. Maybe they were gifts, hand me downs, whatever... But I have worked in schools where the clothes were brand new, and the kids were sooo poor
Cailen's daycare teacher that he loved got pregnant, and had a baby when she was 20. She said she would come back, but now decided she wants to stay home with her baby. I know she is on public assistance (she told me) and I like her a lot and know she would be a fabuous mom, but I can't help but feel a bit resentful that this young girl can just "decide" not to work because she wants to stay home and be a mom on someone else's dime. Call me bitter, but this is how i feel.
You are not alone. My sister who had a baby in November last year, originally planned on having another baby soon after this one and was afraid it might happen around my wedding 6/27/09. After buying a new house and paying $1200 a month for daycare. She said they will have to put having another one on hold due to the expenses.
In an earlier post I had mentioned that my old assistant is one of "those people" who shouldn't have a child. She falls right under those moms you were talking about at your daycare. I've tried to help this lady and keep in mind she is 40 years old now. She smokes, drinks, plays the scratch offs, doesn't buy food, asks people to borrow money, only sent her child to the babysitter with one meal and one drink for 9 hours and only was paying $100 month to the babysitter. I told her to get another job that paid more, didn't want to. I tried helping her/guiding her with her finances could care less. Child is/was malnourished. The only thing she did do that someone reccommended to her was get him into Daycare center and she only has to pay $80 a month all meals are being paid for by the state, and my sister along with others is paying $1200- however much in daycare. It's not right.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Ophelia
I don't know why you'd be surprised.  It doesn't shock me in the least.
I loved the "statistics" too.."well my mothers cousins uncle does this...so EVERYONE has to be abusing"
but don't mind me...I give money to homeless people without finding out if they are going to buy booze with it....I've stepped up and put out some cash for people who were short at the cash register...without asking their employment history first.
I am by no means naive to the system and patters of abuse...I just don't care..b/c I'd rather let someone get over on me for a box of cheerios they didn't NEED in the off chance that I encourter the family who IS desperately in need.
being naive...being a dupe...is what helps me think of myself as a decent sorta person in this world we live in.
I agreee that we should help those when we see it. I might be disgusted by the system as a whole---but yes I have given money to a homeless person--heck I remember living in Charlotte, NC and my ex and I were gonna give money to homeless man and he said that he would much rather get food cause if not, he'd just drink the money away. We took him into a fast food restaurant--ordered him some food....and ate with him. People stared at us like we were nuts....I didn't need to know his story, I just wanted to help him.
When you posted about helping needadvise--I donated to that cause without asking questions. I go with my gut in those situations.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by KellyFG
I find the discussion on this entire thread interesting, though it went in a much different direction than I would have expected. I'm amazed that I live in a town that is considered "trashy, low income, not desirable, bad schools with section 8 people" and lots of other things but I've NEVER encountered one single person that was "milking the system". Other than my tenants and my ex-drug addict cousin, I don't even know anyone "in the system".
Yet people that live in "middle class, desirable" areas know neighbors & family members that are milking & abusing.
So it seems to me that stereotyping is pretty hard to do.
Where is the truth in all of this?
I agree
Im wondering where these people live on here who see all this system abuse?
I worked for The company who made the EBT cards...when they first came out and spent hours in SS everyday. I didnt see any of this.
I think its based on how things were, AGES ago and people get sooo stuck in their beliefs they forget life has moved forward. Or someone gets hurt or feels injust in some manner and forgets to move on from it.
Im not sorry to say some peoples attitudes and simply naive minds on here are shocking.
i know people should agree to disagree and we are getting no where arguing....even when presenting FACTS....But the beliefs, the sad judgements.
It is past making me mad, its heartbreaking to think people live this way. That they judge others with NO knowledge...Dont judge a book by its cover remember??????
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by KellyFG
I find the discussion on this entire thread interesting, though it went in a much different direction than I would have expected. I'm amazed that I live in a town that is considered "trashy, low income, not desirable, bad schools with section 8 people" and lots of other things but I've NEVER encountered one single person that was "milking the system". Other than my tenants and my ex-drug addict cousin, I don't even know anyone "in the system".
Yet people that live in "middle class, desirable" areas know neighbors & family members that are milking & abusing.
So it seems to me that stereotyping is pretty hard to do.
Where is the truth in all of this?
I agree
Im wondering where these people live on here who see all this system abuse?
I worked for The company who made the EBT cards...when they first came out and spent hours in SS everyday. I didnt see any of this.
I think its based on how things were, AGES ago and people get sooo stuck in their beliefs they forget life has moved forward. Or someone gets hurt or feels injust in some manner and forgets to move on from it.
Im not sorry to say some peoples attitudes and simply naive minds on here are shocking.
i know people should agree to disagree and we are getting no where arguing....even when presenting FACTS....But the beliefs, the sad judgements.
It is past making me mad, its heartbreaking to think people live this way. That they judge others with NO knowledge...Dont judge a book by its cover remember??????
LOL oh the irony. . .arent you judging people like ME who say that we see this kind of abuse? arent you assuming that i am holding on to some antiquated belief?
i work for SS - i see with my own eyes what people do to take advantage of the system. i saw it today and i will see it tomorrow. . .
that DOESNT mean that there are NOT wonderful hard working people that use the system CORRECTLY it JUST means that i happen to see it the OTHER way too.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Tilde
LOL oh the irony. . .arent you judging people like ME who say that we see this kind of abuse? arent you assuming that i am holding on to some antiquated belief?
i work for SS - i see with my own eyes what people do to take advantage of the system. i saw it today and i will see it tomorrow. . .
that DOESNT mean that there are NOT wonderful hard working people that use the system CORRECTLY it JUST means that i happen to see it the OTHER way too.
 How it can be said that you judge others with no knowledge when you work at SS is just incredible. You know better than anyone those who abuse the system.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by ready2ttc
Posted by Tilde
LOL oh the irony. . .arent you judging people like ME who say that we see this kind of abuse? arent you assuming that i am holding on to some antiquated belief?
i work for SS - i see with my own eyes what people do to take advantage of the system. i saw it today and i will see it tomorrow. . .
that DOESNT mean that there are NOT wonderful hard working people that use the system CORRECTLY it JUST means that i happen to see it the OTHER way too.
How it can be said that you judge others with no knowledge when you work at SS is just incredible. You know better than anyone those who abuse the system.
Agreed, someone like Tilde that works in that setting sees plenty of abuse I'm sure, but even though it has been mentioned 500 times on this thread I'll say it AGAIN-the people I saw DID NOT SHOW ANY INDICATION they were receiving any sort of government assistance....why are we still beating a dead horse on THIS thread about a different topic?
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
And additionally I'm a little horrified that the people we pay as civil servants to operate "our system" are so jaded that they've all jumped to the conclusion that the couple I saw were abusers. That's pretty raw.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by KellyFG
And additionally I'm a little horrified that the people we pay as civil servants to operate "our system" are so jaded that they've all jumped to the conclusion that the couple I saw were abusers. That's pretty raw.
And yet you did nothing to help and stated in your original post "They weren't the most put together looking people & I don't know why neither of them were at work in the middle of a weekday...". Dont worry about who's jaded and who's not jaded. We're all jaded. Some people just have the b*lls to admit they are. I'm done with this.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Tilde
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by KellyFG
I find the discussion on this entire thread interesting, though it went in a much different direction than I would have expected. I'm amazed that I live in a town that is considered "trashy, low income, not desirable, bad schools with section 8 people" and lots of other things but I've NEVER encountered one single person that was "milking the system". Other than my tenants and my ex-drug addict cousin, I don't even know anyone "in the system".
Yet people that live in "middle class, desirable" areas know neighbors & family members that are milking & abusing.
So it seems to me that stereotyping is pretty hard to do.
Where is the truth in all of this?
I agree
Im wondering where these people live on here who see all this system abuse?
I worked for The company who made the EBT cards...when they first came out and spent hours in SS everyday. I didnt see any of this.
I think its based on how things were, AGES ago and people get sooo stuck in their beliefs they forget life has moved forward. Or someone gets hurt or feels injust in some manner and forgets to move on from it.
Im not sorry to say some peoples attitudes and simply naive minds on here are shocking.
i know people should agree to disagree and we are getting no where arguing....even when presenting FACTS....But the beliefs, the sad judgements.
It is past making me mad, its heartbreaking to think people live this way. That they judge others with NO knowledge...Dont judge a book by its cover remember??????
LOL oh the irony. . .arent you judging people like ME who say that we see this kind of abuse? arent you assuming that i am holding on to some antiquated belief?
i work for SS - i see with my own eyes what people do to take advantage of the system. i saw it today and i will see it tomorrow. . .
that DOESNT mean that there are NOT wonderful hard working people that use the system CORRECTLY it JUST means that i happen to see it the OTHER way too.
Ah thank you. And to go back a few pages Donna, I would like to point out that I answered all the questions you asked me before you asked them re: how I know its foodstamps and not child support or SSI 
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
I read everything & held my tongue b/c I don't usually get involved but I have to say something.
I'm sorry but I work at the same place Tilde does, doing the same exact job & i don't see fraud or abuse everyday. All we do is process changes to beneficiaries' records. We deal a little bit with ssi but our main focus is retirement & ss disability claims. Maybe I'm just not "perceptive" enough & i'm missing something but I would say that we can't tell a person's real circumstances beyond the peice of paper that we're looking at & I don't think it's ever the whole story.
That said, everyone judges evrything. That's what we're suppossed to do--use judgement & assess the situation. Whether we are right or wrong will be proven as facts are learned. There's really nothing to argue about.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by sweetie
I read everything & held my tongue b/c I don't usually get involved but I have to say something.
I'm sorry but I work at the same place Tilde does, doing the same exact job & i don't see fraud or abuse everyday. All we do is process changes to beneficiaries' records. We deal a little bit with ssi but our main focus is retirement & ss disability claims. Maybe I'm just not "perceptive" enough & i'm missing something but I would say that we can't tell a person's real circumstances beyond the peice of paper that we're looking at & I don't think it's ever the whole story.
That said, everyone judges evrything. That's what we're suppossed to do--use judgement & assess the situation. Whether we are right or wrong will be proven as facts are learned. There's really nothing to argue about.
Thank you so much for posting!!!!!
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by sweetie
That said, everyone judges evrything. That's what we're suppossed to do--use judgement & assess the situation. Whether we are right or wrong will be proven as facts are learned. There's really nothing to argue about.
I respect that we have different experiences and I just wanted to say that I totally agree with this statement. 
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by KellyFG
And additionally I'm a little horrified that the people we pay as civil servants to operate "our system" are so jaded that they've all jumped to the conclusion that the couple I saw were abusers. That's pretty raw.
I hate beating a dead horse. Not sure if this is supposed to be about me - but I said a few times that it doesn't mean that I don't go out of my way to help people whenever I can. . .I am just aware of what goes on.
I think we can all agree that this thread has gone WAY beyond "that couple"
Like I said before, when I was a cashier I paid for groceries all the time. . . without asking a single question. . . I am not a bad person just because I am not some Pollyanna when it comes to this kind of stuff.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Tilde
Posted by KellyFG
And additionally I'm a little horrified that the people we pay as civil servants to operate "our system" are so jaded that they've all jumped to the conclusion that the couple I saw were abusers. That's pretty raw.
I hate beating a dead horse. Not sure if this is supposed to be about me - but I said a few times that it doesn't mean that I don't go out of my way to help people whenever I can. . .I am just aware of what goes on.
I think we can all agree that this thread has gone WAY beyond "that couple"
Like I said before, when I was a cashier I paid for groceries all the time. . . without asking a single question. . . I am not a bad person just because I am not some Pollyanna when it comes to this kind of stuff.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Not all are scum bags just some people. I for one have and will continue to help someone if they need it. i have bought a many mcdonlads breakfast for the old lady in there coutning her pennies.
and for you all to talk about the parents who have kids and cant afford them blah blah blah.
well guess what I AM A PRODUCT of that life!!! My parents wer on welfare.. i ate out of soupkitchens.. i went to churches for my xmas presents... my parents did the best they could! I turned out ok! i got an education. Had a great job!! (which is still there for when im ready to go back) now i have my own family! were we ready to have kids NO! but i sholdnt have been able to have them so we went with it. No we are not on welfare and we are doing ok! but dont knock those down for not having everything!
Absolutely! helping people who need it help to improve our society now and for future generations. not everyone screws the system.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by june262004
Posted by Tilde
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by KellyFG
I find the discussion on this entire thread interesting, though it went in a much different direction than I would have expected. I'm amazed that I live in a town that is considered "trashy, low income, not desirable, bad schools with section 8 people" and lots of other things but I've NEVER encountered one single person that was "milking the system". Other than my tenants and my ex-drug addict cousin, I don't even know anyone "in the system".
Yet people that live in "middle class, desirable" areas know neighbors & family members that are milking & abusing.
So it seems to me that stereotyping is pretty hard to do.
Where is the truth in all of this?
I agree
Im wondering where these people live on here who see all this system abuse?
I worked for The company who made the EBT cards...when they first came out and spent hours in SS everyday. I didnt see any of this.
I think its based on how things were, AGES ago and people get sooo stuck in their beliefs they forget life has moved forward. Or someone gets hurt or feels injust in some manner and forgets to move on from it.
Im not sorry to say some peoples attitudes and simply naive minds on here are shocking.
i know people should agree to disagree and we are getting no where arguing....even when presenting FACTS....But the beliefs, the sad judgements.
It is past making me mad, its heartbreaking to think people live this way. That they judge others with NO knowledge...Dont judge a book by its cover remember??????
LOL oh the irony. . .arent you judging people like ME who say that we see this kind of abuse? arent you assuming that i am holding on to some antiquated belief?
i work for SS - i see with my own eyes what people do to take advantage of the system. i saw it today and i will see it tomorrow. . .
that DOESNT mean that there are NOT wonderful hard working people that use the system CORRECTLY it JUST means that i happen to see it the OTHER way too.
Ah thank you. And to go back a few pages Donna, I would like to point out that I answered all the questions you asked me before you asked them re: how I know its foodstamps and not child support or SSI
actually you seemed very confused in your explanation.
As far as ME judging anyone. Judging is when you dont know facts ....IMO anyway. Im calling it based only on what you all have actually said...not guessing or assuming based on my own assumptions.
eta- I really think we should all let this thread die. Doesnt seem as anyone is going to see another side of it, and the point of this all has now been lost on me.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by sweetie
I read everything & held my tongue b/c I don't usually get involved but I have to say something.
I'm sorry but I work at the same place Tilde does, doing the same exact job & i don't see fraud or abuse everyday. All we do is process changes to beneficiaries' records. We deal a little bit with ssi but our main focus is retirement & ss disability claims. Maybe I'm just not "perceptive" enough & i'm missing something but I would say that we can't tell a person's real circumstances beyond the peice of paper that we're looking at & I don't think it's ever the whole story.
That said, everyone judges evrything. That's what we're suppossed to do--use judgement & assess the situation. Whether we are right or wrong will be proven as facts are learned. There's really nothing to argue about.
Thank you for posting. I no longer work in social services but worked in the NYS foster care system for many years. I worked mostly with families (both natural and foster) in the 5 boroughs. Being that I worked with the children and their families, I assisted in all aspects of their lives including those that were receiving assistance. I worked with Section 8, welfare, social security, WIC, etc. I didn't come across the wide spread abuse that some of you claim to know about. Did some of the families hustle the system a little bit - sure, but they were still individuals in need. Most of the families were hard working and trying to make a better life for themselves. Only one or two of the families were proud to be on assistance. Most just wanted to be able to feed their children, educate them and put a roof over their heads. Most wanted a better job then working at McDonald's -which didn't nearly cover their financial needs- but needed help on how to interview nevermind the skills that would be needed for a better job. Just because some of you know some people that abuse the system, doesn't mean that the abuse is widespread and rampant.
Even if it was, you know what bothers me more...ACS workers returning a toddler to an abusive home because they became chummy with mom and now that toddler is dead. Or a public official that used my tax dollars to avenge a personal vendetta while on his moral high horse only to be found involved in a prostitution ring. These are the types of abuses of the "system" that make me mad.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by mrslobo2007
Posted by KellyFG
And additionally I'm a little horrified that the people we pay as civil servants to operate "our system" are so jaded that they've all jumped to the conclusion that the couple I saw were abusers. That's pretty raw.
And yet you did nothing to help and stated in your original post "They weren't the most put together looking people & I don't know why neither of them were at work in the middle of a weekday...". Dont worry about who's jaded and who's not jaded. We're all jaded. Some people just have the b*lls to admit they are. I'm done with this.
Allison/mrslobo2007 -67 posts with ten of them being on this topic hardly give you enough information about my character (our anyone's here) to spin this into me not helping.....I'm glad you're done because I don't think you brought anything useful into the conversation. Again you are jumping to conclusions. And you're right, I commented on their appearance (which most people notice, hence the reason for a Beauty & fashion board here) & the fact that I was off from the job I've had for 10 years because I was using a vacation day but my husband was working....they were off for a reason that was unknown to me. All important info in the story as far as I'm concerned. I went on to say later that they weren't wearing designer clothes and that maybe the cellphone was a work phone. The whole thing was a very sad mystery to me, and I REGRET not acting faster. Sometimes in life opportunities are missed & we have regrets.
I hope you'll hang around here, I'm hopeful that your strong opinions will be useful to further conversations and I challenge you to participate in as much charity and volunteering as I do. When we get to know each other better, I'll show you my B*lls....most people here already know all about them 
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
I volunteer at the Mary Brennan Soup Kitchen in Hempstead every single Monday sometimes more.... I cook, serve, and clean up after the less fortunate.. Before we go out and start our day we have a meeting with all of the volunteers.. The person in charge of the facility is a paid worker.. There is a specific mentality you must have as a volunteer or you are asked to leave,. The attitude is to smile and treat every single person that is a "guest" there with dignity and respect... There is a "no questions asked policy" Any one is welcome.. You can pull up in a BMW and you can get a meal, a shower, and as much clothing asd you can carry.. On your way out if you are still hungry you can take a bagged meal.. You can take everyone of the bagged meals if you want.. "No Questions asked" This is how I try to look at things like this when I run across them in everyday life.. The first thing I say to myself is "there but for the grace of God go I" And I refuse to go into a judgemental state of mind... Alot of the people smell like Alcohol and appear to be abusing drugs... Who knows why this is happening or why the have no job, or are not in treatment.. Its none of my business. My business is to help them.. I know I would have helped those people on that line and paid for there groceries.. Only because I am sensitive to it and not "shocked" by it anymore.. Before I started volunteering I would have froze just like the OP and thought about it later..
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by dm24angel
Judging is when you dont know facts ....IMO anyway. Im calling it based only on what you all have actually said...not guessing or assuming based on my own assumptions.
Since "your" definition of Judgment is incorrect, I thought I'd post it for you. As you'll see the mention of "knowing FACTS" is never mentioned. Just thought I'd clear that up for you!  From Dictionary.com:
judg·ment Pronunciation Key [juhj-muhnt] –noun
1. an act or instance of judging.
2. the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, esp. in matters affecting action; good sense; discretion: a man of sound judgment.
3. the demonstration or exercise of such ability or capacity: The major was decorated for the judgment he showed under fire.
4. the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind: Our judgment as to the cause of his failure must rest on the evidence.
5. the opinion formed: He regretted his hasty judgment.
6. Law. a. a judicial decision given by a judge or court.
b. the obligation, esp. a debt, arising from a judicial decision.
c. the certificate embodying such a decision and issued against the obligor, esp. a debtor.
7. a misfortune regarded as inflicted by divine sentence, as for sin.
8. (usually initial capital letter) Also called Last Judgment, Final Judgment. the final trial of all people, both the living and dead, at the end of the world.
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| Posted 8/20/08 9:15 AM |
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dm24angel
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by dm24angel
Judging is when you dont know facts ....IMO anyway. Im calling it based only on what you all have actually said...not guessing or assuming based on my own assumptions.
Since "your" definition of Judgment is incorrect, I thought I'd post it for you. As you'll see the mention of "knowing FACTS" is never mentioned. Just thought I'd clear that up for you! From Dictionary.com:
judg·ment Pronunciation Key [juhj-muhnt] –noun
1. an act or instance of judging.
2. the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, esp. in matters affecting action; good sense; discretion: a man of sound judgment.
3. the demonstration or exercise of such ability or capacity: The major was decorated for the judgment he showed under fire.
4. the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind: Our judgment as to the cause of his failure must rest on the evidence.
5. the opinion formed: He regretted his hasty judgment.
6. Law. a. a judicial decision given by a judge or court.
b. the obligation, esp. a debt, arising from a judicial decision.
c. the certificate embodying such a decision and issued against the obligor, esp. a debtor.
7. a misfortune regarded as inflicted by divine sentence, as for sin.
8. (usually initial capital letter) Also called Last Judgment, Final Judgment. the final trial of all people, both the living and dead, at the end of the world.
 Are you kidding me?
I said IMO, this is just silly now.
How is correcting my grammar about the Topic at hand?
Seems you have strayed from it, to just wanting to be right?
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| Posted 8/20/08 10:38 AM |
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HoneyBadger
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by dm24angel
Judging is when you dont know facts ....IMO anyway. Im calling it based only on what you all have actually said...not guessing or assuming based on my own assumptions.
Since "your" definition of Judgment is incorrect, I thought I'd post it for you. As you'll see the mention of "knowing FACTS" is never mentioned. Just thought I'd clear that up for you! From Dictionary.com:
judg·ment Pronunciation Key [juhj-muhnt] –noun
1. an act or instance of judging.
2. the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, esp. in matters affecting action; good sense; discretion: a man of sound judgment.
3. the demonstration or exercise of such ability or capacity: The major was decorated for the judgment he showed under fire.
4. the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind: Our judgment as to the cause of his failure must rest on the evidence.
5. the opinion formed: He regretted his hasty judgment.
6. Law. a. a judicial decision given by a judge or court.
b. the obligation, esp. a debt, arising from a judicial decision.
c. the certificate embodying such a decision and issued against the obligor, esp. a debtor.
7. a misfortune regarded as inflicted by divine sentence, as for sin.
8. (usually initial capital letter) Also called Last Judgment, Final Judgment. the final trial of all people, both the living and dead, at the end of the world.
Are you kidding me?
I said IMO, this is just silly now.
How is correcting my grammar about the Topic at hand?
Seems you have strayed from it, to just wanting to be right?
I'm not correcting your GRAMMAR just your vocabulary. Your notion of "judgment" is technically INCORRECT. It's link to this thread is that you're accusing people of being judgmental and your train of thought as to why is incorrect.
There's no room for OPINIONS when discussing a DEFINITION.
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| Posted 8/20/08 10:41 AM |
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sunnyplus3
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
I think we should move on.....I think this topic has brought extreme differences in opinion. lets agree to disagree.
Message edited 8/20/2008 10:46:35 AM.
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| Posted 8/20/08 10:46 AM |
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Goobster
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by dilb712
I volunteer at the Mary Brennan Soup Kitchen in Hempstead every single Monday sometimes more.... I cook, serve, and clean up after the less fortunate.. Before we go out and start our day we have a meeting with all of the volunteers.. The person in charge of the facility is a paid worker.. There is a specific mentality you must have as a volunteer or you are asked to leave,. The attitude is to smile and treat every single person that is a "guest" there with dignity and respect... There is a "no questions asked policy" Any one is welcome.. You can pull up in a BMW and you can get a meal, a shower, and as much clothing asd you can carry.. On your way out if you are still hungry you can take a bagged meal.. You can take everyone of the bagged meals if you want.. "No Questions asked" This is how I try to look at things like this when I run across them in everyday life.. The first thing I say to myself is "there but for the grace of God go I" And I refuse to go into a judgemental state of mind... Alot of the people smell like Alcohol and appear to be abusing drugs... Who knows why this is happening or why the have no job, or are not in treatment.. Its none of my business. My business is to help them.. I know I would have helped those people on that line and paid for there groceries.. Only because I am sensitive to it and not "shocked" by it anymore.. Before I started volunteering I would have froze just like the OP and thought about it later..
I give you credit for being able to be nonjudgemental and just help. Not easy for many people, you are very special.
You are a real sweetie.
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