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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
I wish i was able to ELECT what I wanted my tax $ to go to...
and single moms in the 60's didnt need a cell phone
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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It is unfair to judge people but I have had my eyes opened more to the world by meeting people like this.
While I KNOW not everyone is like this, it should not be a surprise to anyone that there are plenty of people out there whose priorities ARE messed up. I unfortunately, have met many of those people :(
I agree.
I know that people are looking at my statements and other on this thread and think that I'm some heartless b*tch or something. But I've just been tainted by my experiences with my own family members and such and ILs who are the EXACT people that many of us are referring to. I really do think that the welfare/WIC system can be beneficial to people---my sister was a great success story. But unfortunately she's the only one that I know of personally who made it off the assistance and works for a living. To any of those who did this or who had parents who needed some help when they were growing up--and they used the help and it worked....that's really awesome. I sincerely  each and every one of you, because that is what its supposed to be about!!
For me, everyone I know personalyl who uses public assistance, does so because they don't want to work and feel like its silly to work and pay for your own things if the govt gives them aid. And again, I am not talking about the ENTIRE world--I'm just trying to explain that its what I have know and that's why I feel the way I do about it. Its not about going thru "rough times" for them and all the heart-wrenching scenarios that people are talking about.....its about the check.
DH's step mom since age 14 has had 9 children...NINE. She has NEVER bothered holding a job in her LIFE because well, she just doesn't think she has to. She got a doctor to say that she can't work due to "anxiety" and not only does she get welfare and WIC, she gets SSI -- since her "anxiety" makes it impossible for her to ever work. Yeah--she's got anxiety....when she doesn't get a hit off her crack pipe.  (And I'm not exaggerating - she really is a crackhead and a junkie)
If anyone on here can sincerely tell me that they think that its okay and that they would NOT JUDGE that she continued to pop out children from the age of 14, and that it was just "accidents" and she needs the help and we should all help her and keep her in the system like she's been for the past THREE DECADES...then you are a better person than me, and I tip my hat to you.
This is just ONE person I know--I can give you about 7 or 8 more examples. I'm sorry but if you saw it first hand like I do in those scenarios....its difficult to not be cynical.
I am glad I am not the only one. I try and not judge people but it is hard when I have gone through knowing people who have taken advantage of me, others and the system. I think it has just made me more aware of things around me and that not everyone is like me.
Thats a real shame! But at least you recognize that this is how you feel about these situations and maybe the next time you think that someone is doing something like "a family member" you might step back and think "well what if they are not".
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavious one with what they give you.
Well I know a family that uses welfare, SSI, Section 8, and WIC as well as maniuplating the local churches and food kitchens to "get by." At no point do they think that getting a JOB would benefit them in the slightest. They have a 4 bedroom 2 bath house that they rent that is nearly 100% paid for thru assistance...including utilties. Yet someone who might want just a little help would get denied while they enjoy themselves.
The kids who range in ages 10-17 all have new sneakers, xbox, playstation, etc. yet NO ONE in the household works...they use SSI money to mostly buy stupid crap and drugs....since Section 8 is paying for most of the house. How is that not an abuse??
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by Summerrluvv
Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavious one with what they give you.
Well I know a family that uses welfare, SSI, Section 8, and WIC as well as maniuplating the local churches and food kitchens to "get by." At no point do they think that getting a JOB would benefit them in the slightest. They have a 4 bedroom 2 bath house that they rent that is nearly 100% paid for thru assistance...including utilties. Yet someone who might want just a little help would get denied while they enjoy themselves.
The kids who range in ages 10-17 all have new sneakers, xbox, playstation, etc. yet NO ONE in the household works...they use SSI money to to mostly buy stupid crap and drugs....since Section 8 is paying for most of the house. How is that not an abuse??
do they go on vacations also
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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do they go on vacations also
nah they just stay local. 
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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do they go on vacations also
nah they just stay local.
haaaaaaaaaaaaa they have enuff inside entertainment
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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Posted by Summerrluvv
Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavious one with what they give you.
Well I know a family that uses welfare, SSI, Section 8, and WIC as well as maniuplating the local churches and food kitchens to "get by." At no point do they think that getting a JOB would benefit them in the slightest. They have a 4 bedroom 2 bath house that they rent that is nearly 100% paid for thru assistance...including utilties. Yet someone who might want just a little help would get denied while they enjoy themselves.
The kids who range in ages 10-17 all have new sneakers, xbox, playstation, etc. yet NO ONE in the household works...they use SSI money to mostly buy stupid crap and drugs....since Section 8 is paying for most of the house. How is that not an abuse??
Well if they get SSI that means the government has deemed them disabled and they can't work right?
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Summerrluvv
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Posted by Summerrluvv
Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavious one with what they give you.
Well I know a family that uses welfare, SSI, Section 8, and WIC as well as maniuplating the local churches and food kitchens to "get by." At no point do they think that getting a JOB would benefit them in the slightest. They have a 4 bedroom 2 bath house that they rent that is nearly 100% paid for thru assistance...including utilties. Yet someone who might want just a little help would get denied while they enjoy themselves.
The kids who range in ages 10-17 all have new sneakers, xbox, playstation, etc. yet NO ONE in the household works...they use SSI money to mostly buy stupid crap and drugs....since Section 8 is paying for most of the house. How is that not an abuse??
Well if they get SSI that means the government has deemed them disabled and they can't work right?
but come on now is the gov't always right???????????
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Since this thread has derailed, i'll be honest...
I pay for daycare. this is why at age 34, I have to put off having another child because we wouldn't be able to afford 2 in daycare. And we wouldn't be able to afford one income. Rock. Hard place.
My son is in the same room with the children of moms who are 20-23 and have 5 kids already. i am not joking. They are not all working, these moms. Most are, but not all.
And i'm sorry, there is no way these moms are paying over 5,000 a month in child care.
And some - not all - but some, come in so beautifully dressed - with matching Nikes for each outfit... it is frustrating. Maybe they were gifts, hand me downs, whatever... But I have worked in schools where the clothes were brand new, and the kids were sooo poor
Cailen's daycare teacher that he loved got pregnant, and had a baby when she was 20. She said she would come back, but now decided she wants to stay home with her baby. I know she is on public assistance (she told me) and I like her a lot and know she would be a fabuous mom, but I can't help but feel a bit resentful that this young girl can just "decide" not to work because she wants to stay home and be a mom on someone else's dime. Call me bitter, but this is how i feel.
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That is unfortunate about the daycare. I've heard that from several other people too. I thought one of the requirements was that you had to hold a job in order to get daycare, otherwise what's the point? I heard on the news the other day that there is a freeze on all new applicants that need daycare assistance due to lack of funds.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Since this thread has derailed, i'll be honest...
I pay for daycare. this is why at age 34, I have to put off having another child because we wouldn't be able to afford 2 in daycare. And we wouldn't be able to afford one income. Rock. Hard place.
My son is in the same room with the children of moms who are 20-23 and have 5 kids already. i am not joking. They are not all working, these moms. Most are, but not all.
And i'm sorry, there is no way these moms are paying over 5,000 a month in child care.
And some - not all - but some, come in so beautifully dressed - with matching Nikes for each outfit... it is frustrating. Maybe they were gifts, hand me downs, whatever... But I have worked in schools where the clothes were brand new, and the kids were sooo poor
Cailen's daycare teacher that he loved got pregnant, and had a baby when she was 20. She said she would come back, but now decided she wants to stay home with her baby. I know she is on public assistance (she told me) and I like her a lot and know she would be a fabuous mom, but I can't help but feel a bit resentful that this young girl can just "decide" not to work because she wants to stay home and be a mom on someone else's dime. Call me bitter, but this is how i feel.
See I give you a tremendous amount of credit and respect. You know you can't afford another bebe at this time so your not trying. that is NOT an easy place to be .
People that can live off of OUR dime and keep having kids makesme sick.. I CAN"T BELIEVE that AMERCIA has gotten so bad, I DO NOT want to help these people. its SO unfair to US as a society to enable them to live like this..
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Summerrluvv
Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavish one with what they give you.
The ones I know bf's work off the books, making more than my dh and I make combined, get wic, welfare and food stamps.
They have more expensive cars than we do, have more high end toys for the kids, more expensive clothes, etc.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by hazeleyes33
It is unfair to judge people but I have had my eyes opened more to the world by meeting people like this.
While I KNOW not everyone is like this, it should not be a surprise to anyone that there are plenty of people out there whose priorities ARE messed up. I unfortunately, have met many of those people :(
I agree.
I know that people are looking at my statements and other on this thread and think that I'm some heartless b*tch or something. But I've just been tainted by my experiences with my own family members and such and ILs who are the EXACT people that many of us are referring to. I really do think that the welfare/WIC system can be beneficial to people---my sister was a great success story. But unfortunately she's the only one that I know of personally who made it off the assistance and works for a living. To any of those who did this or who had parents who needed some help when they were growing up--and they used the help and it worked....that's really awesome. I sincerely each and every one of you, because that is what its supposed to be about!!
For me, everyone I know personalyl who uses public assistance, does so because they don't want to work and feel like its silly to work and pay for your own things if the govt gives them aid. And again, I am not talking about the ENTIRE world--I'm just trying to explain that its what I have know and that's why I feel the way I do about it. Its not about going thru "rough times" for them and all the heart-wrenching scenarios that people are talking about.....its about the check.
DH's step mom since age 14 has had 9 children...NINE. She has NEVER bothered holding a job in her LIFE because well, she just doesn't think she has to. She got a doctor to say that she can't work due to "anxiety" and not only does she get welfare and WIC, she gets SSI -- since her "anxiety" makes it impossible for her to ever work. Yeah--she's got anxiety....when she doesn't get a hit off her crack pipe. (And I'm not exaggerating - she really is a crackhead and a junkie)
If anyone on here can sincerely tell me that they think that its okay and that they would NOT JUDGE that she continued to pop out children from the age of 14, and that it was just "accidents" and she needs the help and we should all help her and keep her in the system like she's been for the past THREE DECADES...then you are a better person than me, and I tip my hat to you.
This is just ONE person I know--I can give you about 7 or 8 more examples. I'm sorry but if you saw it first hand like I do in those scenarios....its difficult to not be cynical.
I am glad I am not the only one. I try and not judge people but it is hard when I have gone through knowing people who have taken advantage of me, others and the system. I think it has just made me more aware of things around me and that not everyone is like me.
Thats a real shame! But at least you recognize that this is how you feel about these situations and maybe the next time you think that someone is doing something like "a family member" you might step back and think "well what if they are not".
I have because I know plenty of people who do the right thing. I am just more cautious of who I am helping and where my money is REALLY going.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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Wow...the turn of this thread saddens me.
How do you know these people are spending $$$ at a carnival or stealing gift cards or milking the system?
They were trying to use a gift card to buy items, not food stamps. And apparently they were on the phone with the person who gave them the card and were embarrassed when there was no $$ on it and ran out.
Sometimes people just fall on hard times. How do you know this wasn't a couple who had just lost their job or some other such thing? How many people on here have asked for help and received it? The economy right now sux...anything could be happening to them right now. I have friends who just had to do a short sell on their house cuz they were going to lose it. He's been a handyman/home improvement guy for 20 years and business just dropped off. They couldn't pay their mortgage and refinanced in the hopes that business would pick up again, which didn't happen. She went a got a job and he got a job, but they just couldn't make the payments. They aren't milking the system, but they fell on hard times. They aren't bad people and have always paid their bills with some $$$ in savings and it all kind of ran out on them.
I would have been with Kelly, instead of judging - I probably would have felt bad that I didn't jump in to help.
Thank you for saying everything I wanted to say.
How does anyone on here know anyone else's TRUE financial situation? How do you have the right to point fingers and say that "those kinds of people" must do this or that. What if this particular couple lives paycheck to paycheck and just needed to stock up a bit until their next paychecks? And here you are playing the "milking the system" card.
THANK YOU!
Not all are scum bags just some people. I for one have and will continue to help someone if they need it. i have bought a many mcdonlads breakfast for the old lady in there coutning her pennies.
and for you all to talk about the parents who have kids and cant afford them blah blah blah.
well guess what I AM A PRODUCT of that life!!! My parents wer on welfare.. i ate out of soupkitchens.. i went to churches for my xmas presents... my parents did the best they could! I turned out ok! i got an education. Had a great job!! (which is still there for when im ready to go back) now i have my own family! were we ready to have kids NO! but i sholdnt have been able to have them so we went with it. No we are not on welfare and we are doing ok! but dont knock those down for not having everything!
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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Posted by Summerrluvv
Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavish one with what they give you.
The ones I know bf's work off the books, making more than my dh and I make combined, get wic, welfare and food stamps.
They have more expensive cars than we do, have more high end toys for the kids, more expensive clothes, etc.
I'm so surprised about how many people that ARE milking the system, tell other people the exact details of their financial situation. What happened to money (or lack thereof) being a "hush hush" kind of thing?
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by Summerrluvv
Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavish one with what they give you.
The ones I know bf's work off the books, making more than my dh and I make combined, get wic, welfare and food stamps.
They have more expensive cars than we do, have more high end toys for the kids, more expensive clothes, etc.
I'm so surprised about how many people that ARE milking the system, tell other people the exact details of their financial situation. What happened to money (or lack thereof) being a "hush hush" kind of thing?
I think today no one is embarassed of anything anymore..
the same people beg for handme downs but go out and buy 900 digital camera
they cry that they need child support but go away to fancy vacations..
Imagine I asked for help bc I was down on my luck and then you saw me in Bermuda, with my LV bag.
People would want to choke the crap out of me..
People think its a GOOD thing to scam the system.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Since this thread has derailed, i'll be honest...
I pay for daycare. this is why at age 34, I have to put off having another child because we wouldn't be able to afford 2 in daycare. And we wouldn't be able to afford one income. Rock. Hard place.
My son is in the same room with the children of moms who are 20-23 and have 5 kids already. i am not joking. They are not all working, these moms. Most are, but not all.
And i'm sorry, there is no way these moms are paying over 5,000 a month in child care.
And some - not all - but some, come in so beautifully dressed - with matching Nikes for each outfit... it is frustrating. Maybe they were gifts, hand me downs, whatever... But I have worked in schools where the clothes were brand new, and the kids were sooo poor
Cailen's daycare teacher that he loved got pregnant, and had a baby when she was 20. She said she would come back, but now decided she wants to stay home with her baby. I know she is on public assistance (she told me) and I like her a lot and know she would be a fabuous mom, but I can't help but feel a bit resentful that this young girl can just "decide" not to work because she wants to stay home and be a mom on someone else's dime. Call me bitter, but this is how i feel.
i give you tremendous credit, Liza. You are doing what you are doing for Cailen. And he is the person he is because of you.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by Summerrluvv
Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavish one with what they give you.
The ones I know bf's work off the books, making more than my dh and I make combined, get wic, welfare and food stamps.
They have more expensive cars than we do, have more high end toys for the kids, more expensive clothes, etc.
I'm so surprised about how many people that ARE milking the system, tell other people the exact details of their financial situation. What happened to money (or lack thereof) being a "hush hush" kind of thing?
honestly, abuse of the system is so widespread people don't even live in fear of getting caught.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Summerrluvv
Well if they get SSI that means the government has deemed them disabled and they can't work right?
the Mom is "disabled" because she has stress & anxiety issues. its crap--she just got a doc to say that and she is 100% physically able to work
the father has been disabled for 15 years because of his right hand. he claims he can't use it. i've seen him use it just fine.
its cases like that where the system is flawed.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
how do they get caught?
I mean you call 1800shameonthem?
Its a cycle that won't end.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by Summerrluvv
Well if they get SSI that means the government has deemed them disabled and they can't work right?
the Mom is "disabled" because she has stress & anxiety issues. its crap--she just got a doc to say that and she is 100% physically able to work
the father has been disabled for 15 years because of his right hand. he claims he can't use it. i've seen him use it just fine.
its cases like that where the system is flawed.
goddamn it you can not work bc you have stress.. I wish I knew that when I worked on the trading floor at NYSE for Enron. hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Theresa05
I wish i was able to ELECT what I wanted my tax $ to go to...
and single moms in the 60's didnt need a cell phone
So would you elect that your tax $$ go to help your friend that needs WIC because her child's dad isn't paying child support? But not elect it to go to someone else that is in the same situation? Remember that thread? 
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Theresa05
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by Summerrluvv
Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavish one with what they give you.
The ones I know bf's work off the books, making more than my dh and I make combined, get wic, welfare and food stamps.
They have more expensive cars than we do, have more high end toys for the kids, more expensive clothes, etc.
I'm so surprised about how many people that ARE milking the system, tell other people the exact details of their financial situation. What happened to money (or lack thereof) being a "hush hush" kind of thing?
I think today no one is embarassed of anything anymore..
the same people beg for handme downs but go out and buy 900 digital camera
they cry that they need child support but go away to fancy vacations..
Imagine I asked for help bc I was down on my luck and then you saw me in Bermuda, with my LV bag.
People would want to choke the crap out of me..
People think its a GOOD thing to scam the system.
Why should a dad get away with NOT paying child support even if the mother goes on vacation? What does one have to do with the other? Child support isn't "scamming" the system. The dad pays it, not the government.
The other scenarios you posted, yeah wrong.
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| Posted 8/19/08 2:34 PM |
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Theresa05
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by Theresa05
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by Summerrluvv
Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavish one with what they give you.
The ones I know bf's work off the books, making more than my dh and I make combined, get wic, welfare and food stamps.
They have more expensive cars than we do, have more high end toys for the kids, more expensive clothes, etc.
I'm so surprised about how many people that ARE milking the system, tell other people the exact details of their financial situation. What happened to money (or lack thereof) being a "hush hush" kind of thing?
I think today no one is embarassed of anything anymore..
the same people beg for handme downs but go out and buy 900 digital camera
they cry that they need child support but go away to fancy vacations..
Imagine I asked for help bc I was down on my luck and then you saw me in Bermuda, with my LV bag.
People would want to choke the crap out of me..
People think its a GOOD thing to scam the system.
Why should a dad get away with NOT paying child support even if the mother goes on vacation? What does one have to do with the other? Child support isn't "scamming" the system. The dad pays it, not the government.
The other scenarios you posted, yeah wrong.
Bc in MY opinon and I don't know my *** from elbow always I feel if you NEED support from your baby daddy THEN how can you possibly have thousands to go away with?????
if you do WELL for yourself, then you wouldnt necessarily NEED that $$
you see my train of thought..
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| Posted 8/19/08 2:37 PM |
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Theresa05
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by Theresa05
I wish i was able to ELECT what I wanted my tax $ to go to...
and single moms in the 60's didnt need a cell phone
So would you elect that your tax $$ go to help your friend that needs WIC because her child's dad isn't paying child support? But not elect it to go to someone else that is in the same situation? Remember that thread?
I personally wish i didn't have to pay taxes..
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| Posted 8/19/08 2:39 PM |
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