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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Theresa05
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Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavish one with what they give you.
The ones I know bf's work off the books, making more than my dh and I make combined, get wic, welfare and food stamps.
They have more expensive cars than we do, have more high end toys for the kids, more expensive clothes, etc.
I'm so surprised about how many people that ARE milking the system, tell other people the exact details of their financial situation. What happened to money (or lack thereof) being a "hush hush" kind of thing?
I think today no one is embarassed of anything anymore..
the same people beg for handme downs but go out and buy 900 digital camera
they cry that they need child support but go away to fancy vacations..
Imagine I asked for help bc I was down on my luck and then you saw me in Bermuda, with my LV bag.
People would want to choke the crap out of me..
People think its a GOOD thing to scam the system.
Hey, were you following me last week? I went to Bermuda and got a LV!!!
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavish one with what they give you.
The ones I know bf's work off the books, making more than my dh and I make combined, get wic, welfare and food stamps.
They have more expensive cars than we do, have more high end toys for the kids, more expensive clothes, etc.
I'm so surprised about how many people that ARE milking the system, tell other people the exact details of their financial situation. What happened to money (or lack thereof) being a "hush hush" kind of thing?
I think today no one is embarassed of anything anymore..
the same people beg for handme downs but go out and buy 900 digital camera
they cry that they need child support but go away to fancy vacations..
Imagine I asked for help bc I was down on my luck and then you saw me in Bermuda, with my LV bag.
People would want to choke the crap out of me..
People think its a GOOD thing to scam the system.
Why should a dad get away with NOT paying child support even if the mother goes on vacation? What does one have to do with the other?  Child support isn't "scamming" the system. The dad pays it, not the government.
The other scenarios you posted, yeah wrong.
Bc in MY opinon and I don't know my *** from elbow always I feel if you NEED support from your baby daddy THEN how can you possibly have thousands to go away with?????
if you do WELL for yourself, then you wouldnt necessarily NEED that $$
you see my train of thought..
Actually I don't.
Every child deserves and NEEDS to be financially supported by BOTH parents, regardless how much money the mother (or father) makes. Sorry that you disagree 
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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Since this thread has derailed, i'll be honest...
I pay for daycare. this is why at age 34, I have to put off having another child because we wouldn't be able to afford 2 in daycare. And we wouldn't be able to afford one income. Rock. Hard place.
My son is in the same room with the children of moms who are 20-23 and have 5 kids already. i am not joking. They are not all working, these moms. Most are, but not all.
And i'm sorry, there is no way these moms are paying over 5,000 a month in child care.
And some - not all - but some, come in so beautifully dressed - with matching Nikes for each outfit... it is frustrating. Maybe they were gifts, hand me downs, whatever... But I have worked in schools where the clothes were brand new, and the kids were sooo poor
Cailen's daycare teacher that he loved got pregnant, and had a baby when she was 20. She said she would come back, but now decided she wants to stay home with her baby. I know she is on public assistance (she told me) and I like her a lot and know she would be a fabuous mom, but I can't help but feel a bit resentful that this young girl can just "decide" not to work because she wants to stay home and be a mom on someone else's dime. Call me bitter, but this is how i feel.
i give you tremendous credit, Liza. You are doing what you are doing for Cailen. And he is the person he is because of you.
Don't give me THAT much credit - we almost had another oops several times! 
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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Posted by lipglossjunky73
Since this thread has derailed, i'll be honest...
I pay for daycare. this is why at age 34, I have to put off having another child because we wouldn't be able to afford 2 in daycare. And we wouldn't be able to afford one income. Rock. Hard place.
My son is in the same room with the children of moms who are 20-23 and have 5 kids already. i am not joking. They are not all working, these moms. Most are, but not all.
And i'm sorry, there is no way these moms are paying over 5,000 a month in child care.
And some - not all - but some, come in so beautifully dressed - with matching Nikes for each outfit... it is frustrating. Maybe they were gifts, hand me downs, whatever... But I have worked in schools where the clothes were brand new, and the kids were sooo poor
Cailen's daycare teacher that he loved got pregnant, and had a baby when she was 20. She said she would come back, but now decided she wants to stay home with her baby. I know she is on public assistance (she told me) and I like her a lot and know she would be a fabuous mom, but I can't help but feel a bit resentful that this young girl can just "decide" not to work because she wants to stay home and be a mom on someone else's dime. Call me bitter, but this is how i feel.
i give you tremendous credit, Liza. You are doing what you are doing for Cailen. And he is the person he is because of you.
Don't give me THAT much credit - we almost had another oops several times!
So I guess you aren't in "hiding" huh? 
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Wow...I posted like 8 pages ago how this thread was turning to a totally different topic....now it's just a bashing session.
Amazing how far off topic this has gone and how so many people are "abusing" the system yet haven't been reported.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
How did this thread become all about people abusing the system and using government money when it is not needed?
The couple Kelly posted about was using a gift card, not government assistance.
I think its a damn shame that so many jumped to the conclusion that this couple was milking the system because they wanted to stay within the gift card amount and had a cell phone.
I think that this assumption says a lot about our society as well - "we" always think the worst of people, when I honestly think that while yes, there are people taking advantage, most people are good, hardworking indivudiuals.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by SweetTooth
How did this thread become all about people abusing the system and using government money when it is not needed?
The couple Kelly posted about was using a gift card, not government assistance.
I think its a damn shame that so many jumped to the conclusion that this couple was milking the system because they wanted to stay within the gift card amount and had a cell phone.
I think that this assumption says a lot about our society as well - "we" always think the worst of people, when I honestly think that while yes, there are people taking advantage, most people are good, hardworking indivudiuals.
I dont think everyone is saying that THAT particular couple is "abusing the system." I know this thread went off track but that happens often and I think it is always good to have an open discussion.
For the record, I was a cashier and I paid for MANY orders for MANY families that I thought didn't have the cash. I just think it is naive not to realize how many people ARE abusing the system. . . .
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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Posted by SweetTooth
How did this thread become all about people abusing the system and using government money when it is not needed?
The couple Kelly posted about was using a gift card, not government assistance.
I think its a damn shame that so many jumped to the conclusion that this couple was milking the system because they wanted to stay within the gift card amount and had a cell phone.
I think that this assumption says a lot about our society as well - "we" always think the worst of people, when I honestly think that while yes, there are people taking advantage, most people are good, hardworking indivudiuals.
I dont think everyone is saying that THAT particular couple is "abusing the system." I know this thread went off track but that happens often and I think it is always good to have an open discussion.
For the record, I was a cashier and I paid for MANY orders for MANY families that I thought didn't have the cash. I just think it is naive not to realize how many people ARE abusing the system. . . .
ITA with you
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
I find the discussion on this entire thread interesting, though it went in a much different direction than I would have expected. I'm amazed that I live in a town that is considered "trashy, low income, not desirable, bad schools with section 8 people" and lots of other things but I've NEVER encountered one single person that was "milking the system". Other than my tenants and my ex-drug addict cousin, I don't even know anyone "in the system".
Yet people that live in "middle class, desirable" areas know neighbors & family members that are milking & abusing.
So it seems to me that stereotyping is pretty hard to do.
Where is the truth in all of this?
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by KellyFG
I find the discussion on this entire thread interesting, though it went in a much different direction than I would have expected. I'm amazed that I live in a town that is considered "trashy, low income, not desirable, bad schools with section 8 people" and lots of other things but I've NEVER encountered one single person that was "milking the system". Other than my tenants and my ex-drug addict cousin, I don't even know anyone "in the system".
Yet people that live in "middle class, desirable" areas know neighbors & family members that are milking & abusing.
So it seems to me that stereotyping is pretty hard to do.
Where is the truth in all of this?
Honestly, maybe its good that you have never really encountered many people who are "milking the system" as it has helped to keep you positive and have faith in people. I sincerely wish I did not know so many scammers...from my Aunts....cousins.....some friends......in-laws.....etc. , I've seen it so much, that its just crazy.
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Posted by KellyFG
I find the discussion on this entire thread interesting, though it went in a much different direction than I would have expected. I'm amazed that I live in a town that is considered "trashy, low income, not desirable, bad schools with section 8 people" and lots of other things but I've NEVER encountered one single person that was "milking the system". Other than my tenants and my ex-drug addict cousin, I don't even know anyone "in the system".
Yet people that live in "middle class, desirable" areas know neighbors & family members that are milking & abusing.
So it seems to me that stereotyping is pretty hard to do.
Where is the truth in all of this?
I felt very badly for this couple, but I think sometimes when this is described, people filter it through their own history and perceptions. As a matter of fact, everything we experience and how we see it goes through that filiter. And some people try and "reconfigure" and continually get hurt in the process.... and some learn something about themselves and about the world that they didn't know - and all the stronger they are for taking that chance and risking getting hurt again....
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by KellyFG
I find the discussion on this entire thread interesting, though it went in a much different direction than I would have expected. I'm amazed that I live in a town that is considered "trashy, low income, not desirable, bad schools with section 8 people" and lots of other things but I've NEVER encountered one single person that was "milking the system". Other than my tenants and my ex-drug addict cousin, I don't even know anyone "in the system".
Yet people that live in "middle class, desirable" areas know neighbors & family members that are milking & abusing.
So it seems to me that stereotyping is pretty hard to do.
Where is the truth in all of this?
Honestly, going back to the beginning...
I think you were trying to do what you believed in and the moral/ethical values that were instilled in you. I think trying to buy this woman the diapers for the baby was extremely nice and hopefully one day someone will do the same in return. I go with my gut. I dont think "what if this and what if that"...if someones asking for help there is a reason. In the end if I am the fool ...Oh well. Many of us have given to perfect starngers on this board not knowing if the situations could be real or fake. I mean like we've read in this thread....ya never know. In the end, I would like to think I did right regardless of the outcome.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Summerrluvv
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Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by Theresa05
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by Summerrluvv
Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavish one with what they give you.
The ones I know bf's work off the books, making more than my dh and I make combined, get wic, welfare and food stamps.
They have more expensive cars than we do, have more high end toys for the kids, more expensive clothes, etc.
I'm so surprised about how many people that ARE milking the system, tell other people the exact details of their financial situation. What happened to money (or lack thereof) being a "hush hush" kind of thing?
I think today no one is embarassed of anything anymore..
the same people beg for handme downs but go out and buy 900 digital camera
they cry that they need child support but go away to fancy vacations..
Imagine I asked for help bc I was down on my luck and then you saw me in Bermuda, with my LV bag.
People would want to choke the crap out of me..
People think its a GOOD thing to scam the system.
Why should a dad get away with NOT paying child support even if the mother goes on vacation? What does one have to do with the other? Child support isn't "scamming" the system. The dad pays it, not the government.
The other scenarios you posted, yeah wrong.
Bc in MY opinon and I don't know my *** from elbow always I feel if you NEED support from your baby daddy THEN how can you possibly have thousands to go away with?????
if you do WELL for yourself, then you wouldnt necessarily NEED that $$
you see my train of thought..
Actually I don't.
Every child deserves and NEEDS to be financially supported by BOTH parents, regardless how much money the mother (or father) makes. Sorry that you disagree
Ok but say on the flip side, the couple is still married and the father is super duper richooooooooooo. the mama isn't supporting financially is she?
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by Theresa05
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by Summerrluvv
Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavish one with what they give you.
The ones I know bf's work off the books, making more than my dh and I make combined, get wic, welfare and food stamps.
They have more expensive cars than we do, have more high end toys for the kids, more expensive clothes, etc.
I'm so surprised about how many people that ARE milking the system, tell other people the exact details of their financial situation. What happened to money (or lack thereof) being a "hush hush" kind of thing?
I think today no one is embarassed of anything anymore..
the same people beg for handme downs but go out and buy 900 digital camera
they cry that they need child support but go away to fancy vacations..
Imagine I asked for help bc I was down on my luck and then you saw me in Bermuda, with my LV bag.
People would want to choke the crap out of me..
People think its a GOOD thing to scam the system.
Hey, were you following me last week? I went to Bermuda and got a LV!!!
I am following you.. 007 
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Wow, I'm speechless at some of the comments on this thread.
I mean, i can understand that some people have had bad experiences with people that scam the government, but why can't we give the benefit of the doubt to this couple and think that maybe they really were good hard working people that are going through some hard times?
It is called being empathetic and putting yourself in other people's shoes and imagine what they can be going through.
Not everyone has all the money in the world to be able to survive especially in this economy, but to assume that everyone that doesnt have money are milking the system is not right either.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Theresa05
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by Theresa05
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by Theresa05
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by Summerrluvv
Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavish one with what they give you.
The ones I know bf's work off the books, making more than my dh and I make combined, get wic, welfare and food stamps.
They have more expensive cars than we do, have more high end toys for the kids, more expensive clothes, etc.
I'm so surprised about how many people that ARE milking the system, tell other people the exact details of their financial situation. What happened to money (or lack thereof) being a "hush hush" kind of thing?
I think today no one is embarassed of anything anymore..
the same people beg for handme downs but go out and buy 900 digital camera
they cry that they need child support but go away to fancy vacations..
Imagine I asked for help bc I was down on my luck and then you saw me in Bermuda, with my LV bag.
People would want to choke the crap out of me..
People think its a GOOD thing to scam the system.
Why should a dad get away with NOT paying child support even if the mother goes on vacation? What does one have to do with the other? Child support isn't "scamming" the system. The dad pays it, not the government.
The other scenarios you posted, yeah wrong.
Bc in MY opinon and I don't know my *** from elbow always I feel if you NEED support from your baby daddy THEN how can you possibly have thousands to go away with?????
if you do WELL for yourself, then you wouldnt necessarily NEED that $$
you see my train of thought..
Actually I don't.
Every child deserves and NEEDS to be financially supported by BOTH parents, regardless how much money the mother (or father) makes. Sorry that you disagree
Ok but say on the flip side, the couple is still married and the father is super duper richooooooooooo. the mama isn't supporting financially is she?
I can't even respond to this. It has nothing to do with an absent parent paying child support. I'm sorry you don't get it. Let's move along
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by KellyFG
I find the discussion on this entire thread interesting, though it went in a much different direction than I would have expected. I'm amazed that I live in a town that is considered "trashy, low income, not desirable, bad schools with section 8 people" and lots of other things but I've NEVER encountered one single person that was "milking the system". Other than my tenants and my ex-drug addict cousin, I don't even know anyone "in the system".
Yet people that live in "middle class, desirable" areas know neighbors & family members that are milking & abusing.
So it seems to me that stereotyping is pretty hard to do.
Where is the truth in all of this?
My dh's family did not live in my town. They lived in many towns on the island and in other states.
I have witnessed things though in my town and these were young people, renting apts. or living with family members.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Theresa05
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Posted by Theresa05
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by Summerrluvv
Upon searcing, the system WAS reformed and cash assistance is referred to as TANF, and that "T" stands for temporary. So you can't live your entire life getting cash assistance. I can't find the dollar amounts for NY, but in other states, the max appears to be around $300-400 a MONTH. Not exactly living the high life with that kind of cash in your pocket supporting a family. Now if the families are working off the books, that's a whole other scenario. But since a couple of you know so many people that don't work and live off the system, I really wonder what kind of quality of life they have. It's certainly can't be an lavish one with what they give you.
The ones I know bf's work off the books, making more than my dh and I make combined, get wic, welfare and food stamps.
They have more expensive cars than we do, have more high end toys for the kids, more expensive clothes, etc.
I'm so surprised about how many people that ARE milking the system, tell other people the exact details of their financial situation. What happened to money (or lack thereof) being a "hush hush" kind of thing?
I think today no one is embarassed of anything anymore..
the same people beg for handme downs but go out and buy 900 digital camera
they cry that they need child support but go away to fancy vacations..
Imagine I asked for help bc I was down on my luck and then you saw me in Bermuda, with my LV bag.
People would want to choke the crap out of me..
People think its a GOOD thing to scam the system.
Hey, were you following me last week? I went to Bermuda and got a LV!!!
I am following you.. 007
lololol!!! Well I hope you enjoyed the trip as much as I did-lolol!!!
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
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Posted by Summerrluvv
Well I know a family that uses welfare, SSI, Section 8, and WIC as well as maniuplating the local churches and food kitchens to "get by." At no point do they think that getting a JOB would benefit them in the slightest. They have a 4 bedroom 2 bath house that they rent that is nearly 100% paid for thru assistance...including utilties. Yet someone who might want just a little help would get denied while they enjoy themselves.
The kids who range in ages 10-17 all have new sneakers, xbox, playstation, etc. yet NO ONE in the household works...they use SSI money to mostly buy stupid crap and drugs....since Section 8 is paying for most of the house. How is that not an abuse??
See this ticks me off!! How do people get away with this?
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Tany
Wow, I'm speechless at some of the comments on this thread.
I mean, i can understand that some people have had bad experiences with people that scam the government, but why can't we give the benefit of the doubt to this couple and think that maybe they really were good hard working people that are going through some hard times?
It is called being empathetic and putting yourself in other people's shoes and imagine what they can be going through.
Not everyone has all the money in the world to be able to survive especially in this economy, but to assume that everyone that doesnt have money are milking the system is not right either.
I don't know why you'd be surprised. It doesn't shock me in the least.
I loved the "statistics" too.."well my mothers cousins uncle does this...so EVERYONE has to be abusing"
but don't mind me...I give money to homeless people without finding out if they are going to buy booze with it....I've stepped up and put out some cash for people who were short at the cash register...without asking their employment history first.
I am by no means naive to the system and patters of abuse...I just don't care..b/c I'd rather let someone get over on me for a box of cheerios they didn't NEED in the off chance that I encourter the family who IS desperately in need.
being naive...being a dupe...is what helps me think of myself as a decent sorta person in this world we live in.
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PS..there IS a way to report welfare fraud...if you are in fact encountering it so often in your every day lives
don't hesitate. call.
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Tany
Wow, I'm speechless at some of the comments on this thread.
I mean, i can understand that some people have had bad experiences with people that scam the government, but why can't we give the benefit of the doubt to this couple and think that maybe they really were good hard working people that are going through some hard times?
It is called being empathetic and putting yourself in other people's shoes and imagine what they can be going through.
Not everyone has all the money in the world to be able to survive especially in this economy, but to assume that everyone that doesnt have money are milking the system is not right either.
I don't know why you'd be surprised. It doesn't shock me in the least.
I loved the "statistics" too.."well my mothers cousins uncle does this...so EVERYONE has to be abusing"
but don't mind me...I give money to homeless people without finding out if they are going to buy booze with it....I've stepped up and put out some cash for people who were short at the cash register...without asking their employment history first.
I am by no means naive to the system and patters of abuse...I just don't care..b/c I'd rather let someone get over on me for a box of cheerios they didn't NEED in the off chance that I encourter the family who IS desperately in need.
being naive...being a dupe...is what helps me think of myself as a decent sorta person in this world we live in.
I really dont think that anyone is saying NOT to help people without a background check. People should KNOW what goes on though! I didn't know any of this until I started working where I work now. That is all I am saying.
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| Posted 8/19/08 3:53 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Tilde
I really dont think that anyone is saying NOT to help people without a background check. People should KNOW what goes on though! I didn't know any of this until I started working where I work now. That is all I am saying.
I was just saying my thought process...not necessarily implying what I think people do or do not do.
I investigate health care fraud for a living...anything federally funded (which INCLUDES MedicAID)...I see it every day.
the knowlege I have STILL doesn't stop me from helping ANYONE in front of me that I can. .
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| Posted 8/19/08 3:58 PM |
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sunnyplus3
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
great advice, especially for those that know the offenders by name. if I were in a situation where i witnessed such abuse, I'd feel better about myself & "the system" if I reported them.
Family or not, if their behavior has skewed your view on society, its time to call.
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| Posted 8/19/08 3:58 PM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: saw something the other days that is still bothering me
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Tany
Wow, I'm speechless at some of the comments on this thread.
I mean, i can understand that some people have had bad experiences with people that scam the government, but why can't we give the benefit of the doubt to this couple and think that maybe they really were good hard working people that are going through some hard times?
It is called being empathetic and putting yourself in other people's shoes and imagine what they can be going through.
Not everyone has all the money in the world to be able to survive especially in this economy, but to assume that everyone that doesnt have money are milking the system is not right either.
I don't know why you'd be surprised. It doesn't shock me in the least.
I loved the "statistics" too.."well my mothers cousins uncle does this...so EVERYONE has to be abusing"
but don't mind me...I give money to homeless people without finding out if they are going to buy booze with it....I've stepped up and put out some cash for people who were short at the cash register...without asking their employment history first.
I am by no means naive to the system and patters of abuse...I just don't care..b/c I'd rather let someone get over on me for a box of cheerios they didn't NEED in the off chance that I encourter the family who IS desperately in need.
being naive...being a dupe...is what helps me think of myself as a decent sorta person in this world we live in.
Of COURSE people abuse the system and of course people act irresponsibly, but it's impossible to know, and it's VERY easy to get into the position where those people are. If FH didn't have EXCELLENT credit and a LOT of room on CCs we would have been there (now, we're in horrible debt, though). 3 years ago I had an injury and I had to take off from school and couldn't work. FH got laid off, after a few months he found another job, but it was only a short term contract. On top of our own expenses, my dad had left my mom and we had all of her bills, too (my dad left $20K in unpaid bills). We blew through our wedding savings very quickly and survived using Doug's credit cards which all had high limits. If we had to rely on my CCs we wouldn't have lasted. Did we get rid of our cellphones? Did we sell the car? No. I don't think that's the first thing that goes through people's minds at these times. I know at the time we thought it would get better and Fh would get a new job any day now, and to get rid of the car or cellphone, or whatever, seemed very extreme to us. We don't have children, but it could just as easily have happenned when we had children. We weren't trying to be irresponsible or put wants ahead of needs, but as I said we thought it would just get better and we'd go back to normal. We struggled for a year and a half and we're still paying off debt. You would have seen us in the grocery store in the afternoon because he was laid off and I could not work. We weren't lazy, we had just run into a LOT of bad luck at once. And as I said if we didn't have high credit limits (and ultimately his parents to loan us money), we would have been like those people in the checkout line. It's AMAZING how fast your life can go from high income, money in the bank, buying a new car and planning a wedding to desperation. It can happen in the blink of an eye. it's best not to judge people.
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