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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by donegal419
i think that people saying they're not for abortion for themselves, but let other people have that choice is such a cop out....
it's like saying, i wouldnt' steal from someone, but it's okay if other people steal (or insert any crime in there).
it doesn't make sense.
By all of the people that are morally opposed to abortion but are pro-choice for others are really pro-abortion at the end of the day.
i could go on and on about the ills abortion causes, but that's a whole other topic... but essentially, i feel people that are anti-abortion for themselves, but for it for everyone else just excaserbate those issues.
How do you figure? I'm not going to abort a pregnancy now, at this stage of my life. (being married, have my own home, etc) but at 18, if I'd have gotten pregnant your DAMN right I would have had an abortion.
So while at this stage of the game, I'm not going to do it, I can still SUPPORT the RIGHT to HAVE the ability to DECIDE for MYSELF what I want to do with MY BODY.
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
I want the choice to have one if a situation was to arise...I'm not going to judge or think less of someone who has had one, b/c I don't think you can do so unless you have walked in that person's shoes. I most def don't think its an easy choice to make.
hence the reason I'm pro-choice.
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
I don't think she was attacked. She voiced her opinion like everybody else. Yet, we don't need anybody to showel their beliefs in our throat to make people change their mind.
I have no problem with people who are "pro-life" and telling me how they feel. But I don't need someone to tel ME what to do with MY life and my choices.
Again! Anyone can express their opinion. I don't need stats to justify such a choice unless someone is in MY shoes.
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
IMO there is absolutely a difference between being pro choice and pro abortion.
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by donegal419
i think that people saying they're not for abortion for themselves, but let other people have that choice is such a cop out....
it's like saying, i wouldnt' steal from someone, but it's okay if other people steal (or insert any crime in there).
it doesn't make sense.
By all of the people that are morally opposed to abortion but are pro-choice for others are really pro-abortion at the end of the day.
i could go on and on about the ills abortion causes, but that's a whole other topic... but essentially, i feel people that are anti-abortion for themselves, but for it for everyone else just excaserbate those issues.
How do you figure? I'm not going to abort a pregnancy now, at this stage of my life. (being married, have my own home, etc) but at 18, if I'd have gotten pregnant your DAMN right I would have had an abortion.
So while at this stage of the game, I'm not going to do it, I can still SUPPORT the RIGHT to HAVE the ability to DECIDE for MYSELF what I want to do with MY BODY.
I agree with Jennie... just because I won't have an abortion now doesn't mean that I wouldn't have 15 years ago if God forbid I was in that situation. To suddenly change my views because I no longer feel the need to make a choice would be hypocritical.
Can't a person support a law that doesn't apply to them? Can't you care about how things affect OTHER people even if you're not affected directly? Just because I would no longer make that choice at this stage in my life doesn't mean that I believe no one else should make the choice either. It's not a cop out, it's respecting other people's lives, their differences, their individual circumstances. It's not passing judgment until I've walked in their shoes.
I also wouldn't give my child up for adoption but that doesn't mean I don't think anyone else should.
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by eroxgirl
Can't a person support a law that doesn't apply to them? Can't you care about how things affect OTHER people even if you're not affected directly?
Yes, you can...... and that's another reason why i am pro-LIFE because abortions do affect OTHER people, not just the woman and baby in question. it affects society as a whole and that for me, is one of the reasons i am pro-life.
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
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Posted by eroxgirl
Can't a person support a law that doesn't apply to them? Can't you care about how things affect OTHER people even if you're not affected directly?
Yes, you can...... and that's another reason why i am pro-LIFE because abortions do affect OTHER people, not just the woman and baby in question. it affects society as a whole and that for me, is one of the reasons i am pro-life.
How does abortion affect socitey as a whole?
I could see how it affects the woman, the man and the "baby" (if you believe that - which I do not) but not society as a whole.
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by donegal419
Posted by eroxgirl
Can't a person support a law that doesn't apply to them? Can't you care about how things affect OTHER people even if you're not affected directly?
Yes, you can...... and that's another reason why i am pro-LIFE because abortions do affect OTHER people, not just the woman and baby in question. it affects society as a whole and that for me, is one of the reasons i am pro-life.
I find that very interesting (seriously).
Because in certain cases, choosing to keep an unwanted child also affects society as a whole - as in drug addicts who give birth to their babies that grow up and are incapable of becoming normal, productive members of society. Who also become drug addicts, or violent criminals, etc...
I don't know, when I think of the flip side of people who have abortions, I think of it in negative terms. I think unwanted/unloved. I think that the impact on society if these children were born would be, more often than not, a negative one. That's (yet another) reason why I'll always be pro-choice.
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by Jennie0898
How does abortion affect socitey as a whole?
I could see how it affects the woman, the man and the "baby" (if you believe that - which I do not) but not society as a whole.
IMO, it does most absolutely affect society as a whole!
We have become a society where we can "dispose" of anything we don't want. anything that is not convenient or perfect or just the way we want it, we throw it away. life is not valued in our society anymore... call me an extremist if you want, but many people have abortions because it's not the right gender, the baby might have something wrong it, etc. etc. it's like throwing out last season's sweater that doesnt' fit... i have huge problems with that. we "throw out" or disregard the older child or adult that is annoying or a "problem?" where do you draw the line?
also, women that are pro-choice are in fact demoralizing women. there are COUNTLESS cases of men FORCING women to have abortions. Many women are psycohlogically, emotionally and physically beaten into having abortions by the father that doesn't want the baby... that affects society as a whole. Some men continue to be abusers and manipulators because abortion is legal.
Also, the statistics are there to show that the majority of women that have abortions suffer severe psyhological and physical distress after abortions. many of these women becomes depressed, addicited to drugs or alcohol, etc. etc. again, affects our society. Draining our health and welfare system and causing distress to the woman herself and her family.
Abortions also lead to breast and other cancers because of the aprubt stop of the pregnancy hormones. this has had a huge impact on the healthcare system.
these are just a few ways that abortion affects us all.
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by eroxgirl
I don't know, when I think of the flip side of people who have abortions, I think of it in negative terms. I think unwanted/unloved. I think that the impact on society if these children were born would be, more often than not, a negative one. That's (yet another) reason why I'll always be pro-choice.
i do hear you about the baby being unwanted or unloved... but maybe if abortion wasn't so accessible, people would grow to love that baby and do the best they can for it rather than just stopping over at the clinic and ending the pregnancy. we have all had ot think about major decisions in our lives over much thought and delibiration.... abortion is so accessible that's it's just as easy as getting something at the store and i tihnk many people do it without taking that time to let the reality sink in and have a change of heart.
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
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I'm not sure what your asking. I was lumping all abortions other than for rape, incest, death of mother, into one category and speaking to those circumstances. The ones who accidentally get prego, who abort because it's not the right time, who believe they could not support or care for the child. There are so many organizations to help these people, they aren't in it alone. It won't be easy, but abortion is not the only choice.
you are making me sad for every woman who has ever been in the position. ever sat in the chair, crying. ever looked at a baby after and felt that guilt...but MADE THEIR DECISION BASED ON WHAT WAS RIGHT.
any woman that is reading this, and sees something so painful lumped into a vast catergory...a horrid stereotype...a PERSONAL PAIN you know nothing about, and yet spit on it, with every salt laden word you type.
WOW that's being a little ridiculous don't you think? Do you think i'm some kind of monster becasue I want to protect those children from the fate of an abortion? That I want these women to know that there are people to help them through this, that they are not alone? I don't just preach, I am out there helping. Giving these helpless women and their children a chance. We are doing what we can so that there is no reason why a women should feel she has to abort her child and go through that pain.
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I just read a file on a little girl in china who spent the first 2 years of her life in an impoverished orphanage with little contact with humans and access to the outside once a week. She spent 2 years in a crib. thank GOD she was adopted by a loving family. But there are many more children suffering her fate. I am sorry - but f there is a way to protect a child from a fate like that, then I am ALL for it. These things happen here in our own country. Who are we to judge. While you are reading up on stats, look up how many kids are neglected, abused, malnourished, and killed each year. I have asked every staunch anti-abortion protestor how many unwanted kids they have adopted so far. i have yet to get an answer.
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by dandr10199
I have learned form this board before NOT to voice my opinion about this issue b/c while everyone will say that WANT to hear your opinion, they really do not. I feel that they believe they want to hear it b/c it is the PC thing to do, but in reality they don't. They believe what they believe about abortion. You can't change it. I have learned the hard way, trust me.
THIS comment is UNCALLED FOR. No one on this thread has attacked ANYONE for their opinion. If you feel having your stance on abortion questioned and disagreed with is the same as being ATTACKED well, I'm sorry, but I WHOLE HEARTEDLY disagree. You most CERTAINLY can have your opinion, but I DON'T have to agree or like it. Further more, I have every right to voice MY opinion too.
To say that people don't want to hear her opinion even though we say we do, is completely DISRESPECTFUL and frankly I find it VERY offensive.
You have NO right to say that. Up until YOUR inflamitory post, I've remained VERY civil as has EVERYONE else BESIDES YOU.
This thread managed to be CIVIL all day, PLEASE keep it that way.
Posted by dandr10199
I am pro-life. If I became preggo again, there is a 75% chance that I could get a blood clot in my heart and die or my heart could just stop. I AM the .0001% that people talk about "what if the life of the mother was at risk??" and I am still pro-life. I have a IUD and I chart...not 100%, but close enough that I will not get preggo.
It's absolutely wonderful that you're pro-life and you should feel BLESSED that you have the RIGHT to make that CHOICE to be pro-life. But why shouldn't people have the SAME RIGHT to CHOSE to be pro-choice?
The government tried to step in with a "moral" law once before. It's called prohibition. That didn't work out well either. To me, this is a similar situation.
Posted by dandr10199
It is b/c of abortions that for me & DH to adopt I have to pay 20K to a girl who can change her mind at ANY time within the first 6 months after the baby is born, I have to fly clear across that earth to a third world country and THEY would not even let me adopt b/c I have one bio child an a heart condition or I have to be a foster parent to a child who's parent can "show up" at any time to take them back. It is not easy to adopt if you have a medical condition and have one bio child. YOU all have NO IDEA what this is like to see teens or others get preggo w/o a problem and just "get rid of it" with out a second thought...WHEN YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY MORE CHILDREN OR IT WILL KILL YOU.
First of all, what does having an abortion have to do with adoption laws?? Please elaborate.
Secondly, do you THINK for ONE SECOND that the TEENAGER you mentioned who has an abortion made that decision LIGHTLY??? Did you ever consider that that very teenager is a SCARED KID who doesn't know WHAT to do but knows her family will DISOWN her if they find out she's pregnant? Should she DISTROY her ENTIRE life?? I'm sorry, but I don't think so.
I understand it must be ENORMOUSLY frustrating to see young girls getting pregnant and here you are wanting to have ANOTHER child and cannot and WANT to adopt a child and cannot. But consider what the woman who has NO children (and wants one) feels like. Count your blessings that you HAVE at least one child.
Posted by dandr10199
So yeah, I am that "pro-lifer that preaches" b/c if more women understood what a GIFT adoption is, it is my hope more would do it.
Be whatever kind of pro-lifer you want to be, but as a WOMAN how can you think it's OK for the GOVERNMENT to tell US what we CAN and CANNOT do to our bodies?
It's completely FINE to be AGAINST abortion, but why be against giving WOMEN the RIGHT to CHOOSE?
Posted by dandr10199
UGH. I promised myself I would not "go here" and I did.  Forget it. What I have to say about this does not matter anyway. People are going to do whatever they please anyway.
Please don't go there. There is no reason to have any kind of pity party for voicing your opinion. Just know that you are NOT going to convice everyone here to change their minds and agree with you.
Jennie, this was not fair - she voiced her opinion, which as hard for her, and I think she has been through a lot in her own personal life to give a very valid and thought out opinion..... I think it was really brave of her to share this....
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by donegal419
IMO, it does most absolutely affect society as a whole!
We have become a society where we can "dispose" of anything we don't want. anything that is not convenient or perfect or just the way we want it, we throw it away. life is not valued in our society anymore... call me an extremist if you want, but many people have abortions because it's not the right gender, the baby might have something wrong it, etc. etc. it's like throwing out last season's sweater that doesnt' fit... i have huge problems with that. we "throw out" or disregard the older child or adult that is annoying or a "problem?" where do you draw the line?
While I do agree we have become a throw-away, "quick-fix" society, I don't believe the majority of women feel an abortion is an easy or quick fix to an unwanted pregnancy.
And while I do believe there could be people out there aborting pregnancies b/c it could possibly have serious health problems I find it harder to believe someone in the US would abort b/c of the sex of the child. I didn't even thing you could abort a child by the time you can detct the sex of a child for that matter.
Posted by donegal419
also, women that are pro-choice are in fact demoralizing women. there are COUNTLESS cases of men FORCING women to have abortions. Many women are psycohlogically, emotionally and physically beaten into having abortions by the father that doesn't want the baby... that affects society as a whole. Some men continue to be abusers and manipulators because abortion is legal.
This I whole heartedly disagree with. If a man is abusive he is going to be abusive whether or not abortion is legal or not.
I don't believe abortion has ANYTHING to do with men being abusive.
And if there is a man out there forcing his wife or girlfriend to have an abortion (which I'm SURE there is), I'd MUCH rather her have it in a SAFE and STERILE environment.
At least there, in a clinical setting if this woman is being abused, the doctor could possibly detect this and report it. With abortion becoming illegal, this will force women back into the back alley/clothes hanger abortions where not only run the chance of killing themselves but lose a possible safe haven where they could get help.
Posted by donegal419
Also, the statistics are there to show that the majority of women that have abortions suffer severe psyhological and physical distress after abortions. many of these women becomes depressed, addicited to drugs or alcohol, etc. etc. again, affects our society. Draining our health and welfare system and causing distress to the woman herself and her family.
I don't doubt for one minute that women or young women who undergo an abortion suffer some sort of psychological distress or depression. It's not an easy decision to make and I think for the most part those who do make it, make it with a heavy heart.
Do they all turn to drugs? I couldn't possibly anser that. I don't have the information to confirm nor deny this.
I did however notice you mentioned the stain on the welfare system and well frankly, I'd rather have my tax dollars pay for a one-time abortion than pay to have someone raise their child or children on welfare. I'm sorry, I know that sounds cold but to be honest, I just don't think it's right for someone already on public assistance to conceive a child when CLEARLY they cannot afford it. But that's a WHOLE other topic. I'm not sure where you got your information from but if you could share it, I'd be willing to read it.
Posted by donegal419
Abortions also lead to breast and other cancers because of the aprubt stop of the pregnancy hormones. this has had a huge impact on the healthcare system.
But using this logic, wouldn't a miscarriage do the same thing? Again, how do you KNOW this has had a HUGE impact on our healthcare system?
Where are you getting your information from?
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by Jennie0898
Where are you getting your information from?
Common sense... honestly, it's what i just believe. it all makes perfect logical sense.
i have done a lot of reading on this over the years and all of the above opinions are easily supported with statistics. unfortunately, right now i don't have specific sources i can point you to... i would have to do some research for you. i can get back to you in it if you'd like.
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
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Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by dandr10199
I have learned form this board before NOT to voice my opinion about this issue b/c while everyone will say that WANT to hear your opinion, they really do not. I feel that they believe they want to hear it b/c it is the PC thing to do, but in reality they don't. They believe what they believe about abortion. You can't change it. I have learned the hard way, trust me.
THIS comment is UNCALLED FOR. No one on this thread has attacked ANYONE for their opinion. If you feel having your stance on abortion questioned and disagreed with is the same as being ATTACKED well, I'm sorry, but I WHOLE HEARTEDLY disagree. You most CERTAINLY can have your opinion, but I DON'T have to agree or like it. Further more, I have every right to voice MY opinion too.
To say that people don't want to hear her opinion even though we say we do, is completely DISRESPECTFUL and frankly I find it VERY offensive.
You have NO right to say that. Up until YOUR inflamitory post, I've remained VERY civil as has EVERYONE else BESIDES YOU.
This thread managed to be CIVIL all day, PLEASE keep it that way.
Posted by dandr10199
I am pro-life. If I became preggo again, there is a 75% chance that I could get a blood clot in my heart and die or my heart could just stop. I AM the .0001% that people talk about "what if the life of the mother was at risk??" and I am still pro-life. I have a IUD and I chart...not 100%, but close enough that I will not get preggo.
It's absolutely wonderful that you're pro-life and you should feel BLESSED that you have the RIGHT to make that CHOICE to be pro-life. But why shouldn't people have the SAME RIGHT to CHOSE to be pro-choice?
The government tried to step in with a "moral" law once before. It's called prohibition. That didn't work out well either. To me, this is a similar situation.
Posted by dandr10199
It is b/c of abortions that for me & DH to adopt I have to pay 20K to a girl who can change her mind at ANY time within the first 6 months after the baby is born, I have to fly clear across that earth to a third world country and THEY would not even let me adopt b/c I have one bio child an a heart condition or I have to be a foster parent to a child who's parent can "show up" at any time to take them back. It is not easy to adopt if you have a medical condition and have one bio child. YOU all have NO IDEA what this is like to see teens or others get preggo w/o a problem and just "get rid of it" with out a second thought...WHEN YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY MORE CHILDREN OR IT WILL KILL YOU.
First of all, what does having an abortion have to do with adoption laws?? Please elaborate.
Secondly, do you THINK for ONE SECOND that the TEENAGER you mentioned who has an abortion made that decision LIGHTLY??? Did you ever consider that that very teenager is a SCARED KID who doesn't know WHAT to do but knows her family will DISOWN her if they find out she's pregnant? Should she DISTROY her ENTIRE life?? I'm sorry, but I don't think so.
I understand it must be ENORMOUSLY frustrating to see young girls getting pregnant and here you are wanting to have ANOTHER child and cannot and WANT to adopt a child and cannot. But consider what the woman who has NO children (and wants one) feels like. Count your blessings that you HAVE at least one child.
Posted by dandr10199
So yeah, I am that "pro-lifer that preaches" b/c if more women understood what a GIFT adoption is, it is my hope more would do it.
Be whatever kind of pro-lifer you want to be, but as a WOMAN how can you think it's OK for the GOVERNMENT to tell US what we CAN and CANNOT do to our bodies?
It's completely FINE to be AGAINST abortion, but why be against giving WOMEN the RIGHT to CHOOSE?
Posted by dandr10199
UGH. I promised myself I would not "go here" and I did. Forget it. What I have to say about this does not matter anyway. People are going to do whatever they please anyway.
Please don't go there. There is no reason to have any kind of pity party for voicing your opinion. Just know that you are NOT going to convice everyone here to change their minds and agree with you.
Jennie, this was not fair - she voiced her opinion, which as hard for her, and I think she has been through a lot in her own personal life to give a very valid and thought out opinion..... I think it was really brave of her to share this....
Liza - Please don't go there. You have no idea what I have been through in MY own personal life either.
My point in saying what I said was that she has no reason to feel sorry for what she said. She has an opinion and she has EVERY right to share it. She should not feel sorry for doing so.
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by donegal419
Posted by Jennie0898
Where are you getting your information from?
Common sense... honestly, it's what i just believe. it all makes perfect logical sense.
i have done a lot of reading on this over the years and all of the above opinions are easily supported with statistics. unfortunately, right now i don't have specific sources i can point you to... i would have to do some research for you. i can get back to you in it if you'd like.
No offense, honestly, but there is a BIG difference between what you deem as common sense/ your opinion and facts.
If you wouldn't mind getting me some info, I would honestly be very willing to read it.
Thank you!
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by Jennie0898
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Posted by dandr10199
I have learned form this board before NOT to voice my opinion about this issue b/c while everyone will say that WANT to hear your opinion, they really do not. I feel that they believe they want to hear it b/c it is the PC thing to do, but in reality they don't. They believe what they believe about abortion. You can't change it. I have learned the hard way, trust me.
THIS comment is UNCALLED FOR. No one on this thread has attacked ANYONE for their opinion. If you feel having your stance on abortion questioned and disagreed with is the same as being ATTACKED well, I'm sorry, but I WHOLE HEARTEDLY disagree. You most CERTAINLY can have your opinion, but I DON'T have to agree or like it. Further more, I have every right to voice MY opinion too.
To say that people don't want to hear her opinion even though we say we do, is completely DISRESPECTFUL and frankly I find it VERY offensive.
You have NO right to say that. Up until YOUR inflamitory post, I've remained VERY civil as has EVERYONE else BESIDES YOU.
This thread managed to be CIVIL all day, PLEASE keep it that way.
Posted by dandr10199
I am pro-life. If I became preggo again, there is a 75% chance that I could get a blood clot in my heart and die or my heart could just stop. I AM the .0001% that people talk about "what if the life of the mother was at risk??" and I am still pro-life. I have a IUD and I chart...not 100%, but close enough that I will not get preggo.
It's absolutely wonderful that you're pro-life and you should feel BLESSED that you have the RIGHT to make that CHOICE to be pro-life. But why shouldn't people have the SAME RIGHT to CHOSE to be pro-choice?
The government tried to step in with a "moral" law once before. It's called prohibition. That didn't work out well either. To me, this is a similar situation.
Posted by dandr10199
It is b/c of abortions that for me & DH to adopt I have to pay 20K to a girl who can change her mind at ANY time within the first 6 months after the baby is born, I have to fly clear across that earth to a third world country and THEY would not even let me adopt b/c I have one bio child an a heart condition or I have to be a foster parent to a child who's parent can "show up" at any time to take them back. It is not easy to adopt if you have a medical condition and have one bio child. YOU all have NO IDEA what this is like to see teens or others get preggo w/o a problem and just "get rid of it" with out a second thought...WHEN YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY MORE CHILDREN OR IT WILL KILL YOU.
First of all, what does having an abortion have to do with adoption laws?? Please elaborate.
Secondly, do you THINK for ONE SECOND that the TEENAGER you mentioned who has an abortion made that decision LIGHTLY??? Did you ever consider that that very teenager is a SCARED KID who doesn't know WHAT to do but knows her family will DISOWN her if they find out she's pregnant? Should she DISTROY her ENTIRE life?? I'm sorry, but I don't think so.
I understand it must be ENORMOUSLY frustrating to see young girls getting pregnant and here you are wanting to have ANOTHER child and cannot and WANT to adopt a child and cannot. But consider what the woman who has NO children (and wants one) feels like. Count your blessings that you HAVE at least one child.
Posted by dandr10199
So yeah, I am that "pro-lifer that preaches" b/c if more women understood what a GIFT adoption is, it is my hope more would do it.
Be whatever kind of pro-lifer you want to be, but as a WOMAN how can you think it's OK for the GOVERNMENT to tell US what we CAN and CANNOT do to our bodies?
It's completely FINE to be AGAINST abortion, but why be against giving WOMEN the RIGHT to CHOOSE?
Posted by dandr10199
UGH. I promised myself I would not "go here" and I did. Forget it. What I have to say about this does not matter anyway. People are going to do whatever they please anyway.
Please don't go there. There is no reason to have any kind of pity party for voicing your opinion. Just know that you are NOT going to convice everyone here to change their minds and agree with you.
Jennie, this was not fair - she voiced her opinion, which as hard for her, and I think she has been through a lot in her own personal life to give a very valid and thought out opinion..... I think it was really brave of her to share this....
Liza - Please don't go there. You have no idea what I have been through in MY own personal life either.
My point in saying what I said was that she has no reason to feel sorry for what she said. She has an opinion and she has EVERY right to share it. She should not feel sorry for doing so.
Jennay - you know I have nothing against you!!!
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| Posted 6/10/08 9:13 PM |
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Jennay - you know I have nothing against you!!!
Awwww now you're gettin' all Forest Gump on me. 
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| Posted 6/10/08 9:26 PM |
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shiv
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Jennie0898,
having a child as a teenager does not ruin your entire life. I have many many success stories and they're not just surviving but finishing school, getting good jobs and sometimes going on to marry the father of the child. And most importantly those who are part of my mothers organization are homeless and are being taught to be independent and therefore will not have to depend on government support the rest of their lives.
There are many places like this that will help a teenager whose families will not support them. so no their life is certainly not ruined, in fact most will say its better because they have their child.
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| Posted 6/10/08 9:41 PM |
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conigs25
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
My only problem w/ abortion is when it used as birth control.
My sister worked in a womens health office and there was a repeat offender who had SEVEN abortions bc the a-hole refused to use condoms
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| Posted 6/10/08 9:50 PM |
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by shiv
Jennie0898,
having a child as a teenager does not ruin your entire life. I have many many success stories and they're not just surviving but finishing school, getting good jobs and sometimes going on to marry the father of the child. And most importantly those who are part of my mothers organization are homeless and are being taught to be independent and therefore will not have to depend on government support the rest of their lives.
There are many places like this that will help a teenager whose families will not support them. so no their life is certainly not ruined, in fact most will say its better because they have their child.
I believe every word you're saying, I really do but I think for every girl that you are helping (which I APPLAUD you for) I think there are girls out there who don't have that happy ending.
I'm not saying that those who choose to keep their babies made the wrong decision; I'm just in favor of keeping their right to make that choice.
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| Posted 6/10/08 9:54 PM |
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shiv
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
And one more thing, why is it pro lifers always have to explain themselves/defend their position?
When the pro choicers only have to state I'm for a womens choice and that's enough. Please tell me the social, economic and health benefits of having an abortion?
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| Posted 6/10/08 10:10 PM |
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smdl
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by shiv
And one more thing, why is it pro lifers always have to explain themselves/defend their position?
When the pro choicers only have to state I'm for a womens choice and that's enough. Please tell me the social, economic and health benefits of having an abortion?
I think we all diver on different topic.
I am pro-choice
I don't believe in gay marriage
I am for death penalty
And I feel justfied in my opinions.
Yet someone else will feel differently on the same topics.
That's who we are a society. We agree and disagree on different topic.
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| Posted 6/10/08 10:14 PM |
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shiv
Twinsanity!!
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by shiv
And one more thing, why is it pro lifers always have to explain themselves/defend their position?
When the pro choicers only have to state I'm for a womens choice and that's enough. Please tell me the social, economic and health benefits of having an abortion?
And provide statistics, sources and links (;
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| Posted 6/10/08 10:16 PM |
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smdl
I love Gary too..on a plate!
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Re: Spinoff to Pro-Life/Pro-Choice: Do you think there is a difference between being Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Posted by shiv
Posted by shiv
And one more thing, why is it pro lifers always have to explain themselves/defend their position?
When the pro choicers only have to state I'm for a womens choice and that's enough. Please tell me the social, economic and health benefits of having an abortion?
And provide statistics, sources and links (;
I am not sure what you are trying to say with the stats. That people reasons are not good for you?
Honeslty, I don't know.
We all can feel how strongly you feel about pro-life.
What people are telling you is that you are def making a difference in some woman's life and deciding to keeping their child but it's not for everyone. That you are NOT in every PG woman's shoes. That you will NOT change everyone mind.
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