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quasi3
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Re: The Debate
As an undecided voter, I don't think either of them came out on top. HRC sounded scripted and like every other politician. Trump sounded like a businessman who'd like to throw money at all the problems.
I think they were equally "childlike".
I didn't see any mopping of the floor by either candidate.
I don't see a clear winner unless you've already determined who you're voting for.
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Posted by Hofstra26
He was an absolute train wreck. EVERY bit as entertaining as I thought it would be. He stumbled through the whole debate, interrupted HRC like a 5 yr old, didn't answer any questions that were presented to him, patted himself on the back constantly, said stupid incoherent crap, and basically came off as completely ill informed, unprepared, and unfit to lead this country. He made a complete fool out of himself and did absolutely NOTHING to help his campaign.
I give HRC credit for remaining so calm and poised in the face of a crazed madman who actually uttered such nonsense words about his wonderful and amazing temperament. She didn't have to say a thing tonight, he was digging his own grave EVERY time he opened his mouth to say anything.
Can't wait for debate number two so we can watch HRC mop the floor with him AGAIN!
I turned it off after 30 minutes. Was yelling at the TV.
So Trump wants to cut corporate taxes in half to save jobs and bring jobs back to America. Great theory, but where is the other half of the money going to becoming from to make up that tax cut ?
He wants to abolish NAFTA. Well, that would seriously hurt my job - I export to Japan, Korea and Mexico. US grown pigs and beef, so my job SUPPORTS the US economy.
I'm not convinced he has a good grip on understanding the US economy and business model outside of Trumpville. His business model is based on huge amounts of debt, of which a significantly large amount is foreign owned.
I'm not a fan of HRC either, but at least she appeared more polished and gave coherent answers.
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So what did we learn here? The people on LIF who support Clinton say she did great. The people who love Trump say he was amazing. Those of us (like me) who don't like either candidate think neither of them did that well. It's very true that we all see what we want to see...
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Re: The Debate
Posted by NoPlaceLikeHome
So what did we learn here? The people on LIF who support Clinton say she did great. The people who love Trump say he was amazing. Those of us (like me) who don't like either candidate think neither of them did that well. It's very true that we all see what we want to see...
Good point. It seems like the supporters of HRC, she can do no wrong in their book. They don't discuss the reasons why she us untrustworthy.
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Re: The Debate
Posted by Hofstra26
He was an absolute train wreck. EVERY bit as entertaining as I thought it would be. He stumbled through the whole debate, interrupted HRC like a 5 yr old, didn't answer any questions that were presented to him, patted himself on the back constantly, said stupid incoherent crap, and basically came off as completely ill informed, unprepared, and unfit to lead this country. He made a complete fool out of himself and did absolutely NOTHING to help his campaign.
I give HRC credit for remaining so calm and poised in the face of a crazed madman who actually uttered such nonsense words about his wonderful and amazing temperament. She didn't have to say a thing tonight, he was digging his own grave EVERY time he opened his mouth to say anything.
Can't wait for debate number two so we can watch HRC mop the floor with him AGAIN!
Well said, and I don't even particularly care for HRC myself.
Of course her responses were rehearsed, she did what any qualified person running for office does.
He is a joke. Total joke. I don't even know how someone with zero qualifications or experience can even run for such a title, and expect to win.
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Went mostly as expected but i thought Trump would do better. Hillary, as expected, was poised and scripted = typical politician with experience.
My takeway (as an undecided likely 3rd party voter) was:
If she wins nothing will change
If he wins everything will change
People are going to vote based on the top 1-3 issues that are most inportant to them. Some people only care about their guns (like a childhood friend on FB who has admitted it) others about their money and some dont like to share. Some voters will place priority on the greater good, civil rights etc.
DD who is in 8th grade was doing a hw assignment about the debate. She had to write the 3 questions the nominees were asked and write down their responses. Hillary listed more ideas on all of the issues except cyber security. Neither really answered how they would address the issues.
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klingklang77
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Re: The Debate
Posted by clotheshorse
Posted by NoPlaceLikeHome
So what did we learn here? The people on LIF who support Clinton say she did great. The people who love Trump say he was amazing. Those of us (like me) who don't like either candidate think neither of them did that well. It's very true that we all see what we want to see...
Good point. It seems like the supporters of HRC, she can do no wrong in their book. They don't discuss the reasons why she us untrustworthy.
I don't think that's true at all. People do discuss it. John Oliver just did a really good piece on why she is untrustworthy and then compared it to Trump and why he's untrustworthy.
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Re: The Debate
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by clotheshorse
Posted by NoPlaceLikeHome
So what did we learn here? The people on LIF who support Clinton say she did great. The people who love Trump say he was amazing. Those of us (like me) who don't like either candidate think neither of them did that well. It's very true that we all see what we want to see...
Good point. It seems like the supporters of HRC, she can do no wrong in their book. They don't discuss the reasons why she us untrustworthy.
I don't think that's true at all. People do discuss it. John Oliver just did a really good piece on why she is untrustworthy and then compared it to Trump and why he's untrustworthy.
Ok. I will check it out. But still I don't think either did a good job swaying undecided voters to side with them.
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Re: The Debate
Posted by mrsboss
She comes off as too fake, fabricated and rehearsed. Every response sounds like it's from a Miss USA pageant interview.
I read somewhere that she was coached
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Re: The Debate
Posted by Diane
Posted by mrsboss
She comes off as too fake, fabricated and rehearsed. Every response sounds like it's from a Miss USA pageant interview.
I read somewhere that she was coached
Is this a surprise though? All politicians are.
That being said, and I do NOT love HRC, being rehearsed, answering the questions, and remaining calm plays so much better than a rambling, misinformed hothead.
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Re: The Debate
Posted by clotheshorse
Posted by NoPlaceLikeHome
So what did we learn here? The people on LIF who support Clinton say she did great. The people who love Trump say he was amazing. Those of us (like me) who don't like either candidate think neither of them did that well. It's very true that we all see what we want to see...
Good point. It seems like the supporters of HRC, she can do no wrong in their book. They don't discuss the reasons why she us untrustworthy.
To NOT support Trump does NOT mean you "love" HRC or that you agree with the things that she's done. A vote for HRC is simply one less vote for Trump who most people find to be completely and utterly ill equipped to run a nation.
I think most every politician is corrupt and untrustworthy but Trump and his lack of understanding about our government and economic and foreign policy is just so frightening that HRC, by default, becomes the better choice.
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Re: The Debate
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Diane
Posted by mrsboss
She comes off as too fake, fabricated and rehearsed. Every response sounds like it's from a Miss USA pageant interview.
I read somewhere that she was coached
Is this a surprise though? All politicians are.
That being said, and I do NOT love HRC, being rehearsed, answering the questions, and remaining calm plays so much better than a rambling, misinformed hothead.
Exactly. Who gives a $h*t if she was "coached"?
Being President is a big job. Why do we want someone who is not prepared? Oh that's right- he speaks his mind and says what people are thinking. Just the type of person we need for President. 
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Re: The Debate
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Diane
Posted by mrsboss
She comes off as too fake, fabricated and rehearsed. Every response sounds like it's from a Miss USA pageant interview.
I read somewhere that she was coached
Is this a surprise though? All politicians are.
That being said, and I do NOT love HRC, being rehearsed, answering the questions, and remaining calm plays so much better than a rambling, misinformed hothead.
Exactly. Who gives a $h*t if she was "coached"?
Being President is a big job. Why do we want someone who is not prepared? Oh that's right- he speaks his mind and says what people are thinking. Just the type of person we need for President.
That's how I feel. I 'd rather someone who is coached, trained, and prepared for the job.
We do NOT need a leader who runs off at the mouth, says whatever he wants however he wants, slings insults around, and can't even conduct himself with a modicum of maturity. Truly, he sounded like a little kid constantly butting into an adult conversation so he could just talk about himself and his mindless ramblings. That isn't the type of person who should be leading a country.
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KarenK122
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The Debate
It was a very interesting debate. Trump didn't prep enough and Hillary prepped too much. If Trump was more polished I think he would have done much better. I did like a few of his ideas but he was unable to provide backup for his statements. Hillary said absolutely nothing new and sounded like a life long politician, which is one of the main reason people are supporting Trump. They are sick of politicians that say the same thing year after year and get nothing done.
So I think it was a tie. Neither did anything outstanding and their base will stay the same.
One thing that did really irk me was Hillary touting her website and book. The debate isn't an infomercial.
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One thing that did really irk me was Hillary touting her website and book. The debate isn't an infomercial.
I did find both of those relevant though- she has laid out her ideas and plans in a book. Trump was worse IMO- how many times did he plug his properties? DC, Chicago, Florida? I lost track.
I too am not a huge Hillary supporter, but am going to vote for her. And prior to last night I did not find him at all qualified. If anything, his performance underscored my belief that he could not handle the job.
And he almost admitted he paid no federal tax in the past- and that made him "smart" in his own words. If you support him, I want to know how that makes you feel? He's allegedly a billionaire who didn't pay federal tax while you likely bust your butt and pay your fair share. That pissed me off.
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The Debate
Trump's performance (or lack thereof) made me immediately think of the quote from Billy Madison. Just sub in the intro with "Mr. Trump"........
Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. 
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Posted by MrsM84
Trump's performance (or lack thereof) made me immediately think of the quote from Billy Madison. Just sub in the intro with "Mr. Trump"........
Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
This is DEAD ON!!!!!
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Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by KarenK122
One thing that did really irk me was Hillary touting her website and book. The debate isn't an infomercial.
I did find both of those relevant though- she has laid out her ideas and plans in a book. Trump was worse IMO- how many times did he plug his properties? DC, Chicago, Florida? I lost track.
I too am not a huge Hillary supporter, but am going to vote for her. And prior to last night I did not find him at all qualified. If anything, his performance underscored my belief that he could not handle the job.
And he almost admitted he paid no federal tax in the past- and that made him "smart" in his own words. If you support him, I want to know how that makes you feel? He's allegedly a billionaire who didn't pay federal tax while you likely bust your butt and pay your fair share. That pissed me off.
He didn't pay income tax because the current tax codes benefit the wealthy. Unfortunately the way things are $0 is what the irs says is his share. He is not alone. This is one of the biggest thing that needs to change.
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Re: The Debate
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Diane
Posted by mrsboss
She comes off as too fake, fabricated and rehearsed. Every response sounds like it's from a Miss USA pageant interview.
I read somewhere that she was coached
Is this a surprise though? All politicians are.
That being said, and I do NOT love HRC, being rehearsed, answering the questions, and remaining calm plays so much better than a rambling, misinformed hothead.
Exactly. Who gives a $h*t if she was "coached"?
Being President is a big job. Why do we want someone who is not prepared? Oh that's right- he speaks his mind and says what people are thinking. Just the type of person we need for President.
That's how I feel. I 'd rather someone who is coached, trained, and prepared for the job.
We do NOT need a leader who runs off at the mouth, says whatever he wants however he wants, slings insults around, and can't even conduct himself with a modicum of maturity. Truly, he sounded like a little kid constantly butting into an adult conversation so he could just talk about himself and his mindless ramblings. That isn't the type of person who should be leading a country.
Ok then. To be fair, why do we care about his tax returns?
How come we don't care about the 33k emails that were suddenly deleted once asked to turn them over? ?
Among other reasons (too many to list) why I don't trust HRC.
How can you manage being President, since it's a big job, when you can't even manage a computer??
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Re: The Debate
Posted by haveaquestion
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by KarenK122
One thing that did really irk me was Hillary touting her website and book. The debate isn't an infomercial.
I did find both of those relevant though- she has laid out her ideas and plans in a book. Trump was worse IMO- how many times did he plug his properties? DC, Chicago, Florida? I lost track.
I too am not a huge Hillary supporter, but am going to vote for her. And prior to last night I did not find him at all qualified. If anything, his performance underscored my belief that he could not handle the job.
And he almost admitted he paid no federal tax in the past- and that made him "smart" in his own words. If you support him, I want to know how that makes you feel? He's allegedly a billionaire who didn't pay federal tax while you likely bust your butt and pay your fair share. That pissed me off.
He didn't pay income tax because the current tax codes benefit the wealthy. Unfortunately the way things are $0 is what the irs says is his share. He is not alone. This is one of the biggest thing that needs to change.
But to essentially brag that you're so smart that you don't pay taxes really pi$$es off your average American who busts their a$$ just to get buy, paying taxes through the nose all while some rich d!ck isn't paying a cent. Trump, and wealthy people like him, are a burden to the rest of hard working Americans so regardless of the actual tax codes, it was a completely stupid, smug comment to make. He basically insinuated that the rest of us who are doing the RIGHT thing by paying our taxes are stupid. He's not smart, he's cheating and taking advantage of the system................and he claims he's better than HRC. Oh, ok.
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Re: The Debate
Posted by clotheshorse
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Diane
Posted by mrsboss
She comes off as too fake, fabricated and rehearsed. Every response sounds like it's from a Miss USA pageant interview.
I read somewhere that she was coached
Is this a surprise though? All politicians are.
That being said, and I do NOT love HRC, being rehearsed, answering the questions, and remaining calm plays so much better than a rambling, misinformed hothead.
Exactly. Who gives a $h*t if she was "coached"?
Being President is a big job. Why do we want someone who is not prepared? Oh that's right- he speaks his mind and says what people are thinking. Just the type of person we need for President.
That's how I feel. I 'd rather someone who is coached, trained, and prepared for the job.
We do NOT need a leader who runs off at the mouth, says whatever he wants however he wants, slings insults around, and can't even conduct himself with a modicum of maturity. Truly, he sounded like a little kid constantly butting into an adult conversation so he could just talk about himself and his mindless ramblings. That isn't the type of person who should be leading a country.
Ok then. To be fair, why do we care about his tax returns?
How come we don't care about the 33k emails that were suddenly deleted once asked to turn them over? ?
Among other reasons (too many to list) why I don't trust HRC.
Hillary wasted all her bullets on this debate and Trump still held back the emails, the server, Benghazi, Slick Willy's affairs and HRC trying to sweep the mistress' claims under the rug, the Foundation, her lying about her health.
Also I will be shocked if we don't see another Wikileaks dump of more Clinton email data. IMO I think somebody overseas has this info and is waiting to dump it closer to election time so Hillary has minimal time for damage control. Maybe right before the second or last debate?
What are the Hillary pundits going to do if this info gets leaked?
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Re: The Debate
Posted by clotheshorse
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Diane
Posted by mrsboss
She comes off as too fake, fabricated and rehearsed. Every response sounds like it's from a Miss USA pageant interview.
I read somewhere that she was coached
Is this a surprise though? All politicians are.
That being said, and I do NOT love HRC, being rehearsed, answering the questions, and remaining calm plays so much better than a rambling, misinformed hothead.
Exactly. Who gives a $h*t if she was "coached"?
Being President is a big job. Why do we want someone who is not prepared? Oh that's right- he speaks his mind and says what people are thinking. Just the type of person we need for President.
That's how I feel. I 'd rather someone who is coached, trained, and prepared for the job.
We do NOT need a leader who runs off at the mouth, says whatever he wants however he wants, slings insults around, and can't even conduct himself with a modicum of maturity. Truly, he sounded like a little kid constantly butting into an adult conversation so he could just talk about himself and his mindless ramblings. That isn't the type of person who should be leading a country.
Ok then. To be fair, why do we care about his tax returns?
How come we don't care about the 33k emails that were suddenly deleted once asked to turn them over? ?
Among other reasons (too many to list) why I don't trust HRC.
How can you manage being President, since it's a big job, when you can't even manage a computer??
I'm not sure what your statement/question has to do with what I said about him being a bumbling moron.
I'm also not sure why the ONLY thing Trump supporters seem to care about are these emails. It's like they have NOTHING else to comment on. Ever.
I'm also astounded that anyone can sit back after the debate last night and still think this man is fit to be a President.
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Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by haveaquestion
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Posted by KarenK122
One thing that did really irk me was Hillary touting her website and book. The debate isn't an infomercial.
I did find both of those relevant though- she has laid out her ideas and plans in a book. Trump was worse IMO- how many times did he plug his properties? DC, Chicago, Florida? I lost track.
I too am not a huge Hillary supporter, but am going to vote for her. And prior to last night I did not find him at all qualified. If anything, his performance underscored my belief that he could not handle the job.
And he almost admitted he paid no federal tax in the past- and that made him "smart" in his own words. If you support him, I want to know how that makes you feel? He's allegedly a billionaire who didn't pay federal tax while you likely bust your butt and pay your fair share. That pissed me off.
He didn't pay income tax because the current tax codes benefit the wealthy. Unfortunately the way things are $0 is what the irs says is his share. He is not alone. This is one of the biggest thing that needs to change.
But to essentially brag that you're so smart that you don't pay taxes really pi$$es off your average American who busts their a$$ just to get buy, paying taxes through the nose all while some rich d!ck isn't paying a cent. Trump, and wealthy people like him, are a burden to the rest of hard working Americans so regardless of the actual tax codes, it was a completely stupid, smug comment to make. He basically insinuated that the rest of us who are doing the RIGHT thing by paying our taxes are stupid. He's not smart, he's cheating and taking advantage of the system................and he claims he's better than HRC. Oh, ok.
It's not cheating. When you fill out your taxes do you add to your tax amount because you didn't pay your fair share? The system is completely not fair but I don't know anyone who is paying more taxes than they are required to.
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Re: The Debate
Posted by clotheshorse
Ok then. To be fair, why do we care about his tax returns?
How come we don't care about the 33k emails that were suddenly deleted once asked to turn them over? ?
Among other reasons (too many to list) why I don't trust HRC.
How can you manage being President, since it's a big job, when you can't even manage a computer??
Trump said that he is audited just about every year.
Is that personal or corporate tax returns, or is it both. If his personal returns are audited every year, then there is something seriously wrong.
He's very evasive.
He bragged about earnings of $600 something million. Again, is this corporate or personal income ?
He doesn't differentiate Donald Trump the individual with Donald Trump the corporation.
The individual should run for POTUS, not the corporation.
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Re: The Debate
Posted by haveaquestion
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by haveaquestion
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by KarenK122
One thing that did really irk me was Hillary touting her website and book. The debate isn't an infomercial.
I did find both of those relevant though- she has laid out her ideas and plans in a book. Trump was worse IMO- how many times did he plug his properties? DC, Chicago, Florida? I lost track.
I too am not a huge Hillary supporter, but am going to vote for her. And prior to last night I did not find him at all qualified. If anything, his performance underscored my belief that he could not handle the job.
And he almost admitted he paid no federal tax in the past- and that made him "smart" in his own words. If you support him, I want to know how that makes you feel? He's allegedly a billionaire who didn't pay federal tax while you likely bust your butt and pay your fair share. That pissed me off.
He didn't pay income tax because the current tax codes benefit the wealthy. Unfortunately the way things are $0 is what the irs says is his share. He is not alone. This is one of the biggest thing that needs to change.
But to essentially brag that you're so smart that you don't pay taxes really pi$$es off your average American who busts their a$$ just to get buy, paying taxes through the nose all while some rich d!ck isn't paying a cent. Trump, and wealthy people like him, are a burden to the rest of hard working Americans so regardless of the actual tax codes, it was a completely stupid, smug comment to make. He basically insinuated that the rest of us who are doing the RIGHT thing by paying our taxes are stupid. He's not smart, he's cheating and taking advantage of the system................and he claims he's better than HRC. Oh, ok.
It's not cheating. When you fill out your taxes do you add to your tax amount because you didn't pay your fair share? The system is completely not fair but I don't know anyone who is paying more taxes than they are required to.
Nobody who is earning millions of dollars should be paying ZERO taxes. I understand there is a failing in our tax codes which is the reason that can even happen, however, if he were an honest businessman and citizen he would be paying his fair share of taxes just like the rest of us. To answer your question, I am paying my share of taxes........................last time I checked my returns I didn't get to claim zero earnings and therefore pay zero taxes.
Here's a man who refuses to turn over his IRS returns, he really shouldn't be bragging to the American voters how he pays no taxes. It rubbed me the wrong way and I am sure I am not alone.
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