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The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
This story makes me SO angry. I was watching News 12 this morning, and they are subtly spinning it to make it seem like it was hit fault for being stopped on the LIE. Now a Newsday article is saying that they have to "investigate" whether or not he really was involved in the hit and run as first reported. They both keep bringing up how he was just standing in the HOV lane and it makes me so angry for his family how they are making it sound as if he was in the wrong.
I just read in Newsday how he called his mom minutes before to tell her he was scared, and my heart just broke :(
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
maybe I don't know the whole story, but didn't he get out of his car of his own accord? You are never supposed to get out of your car. There is no reason to. I hate to blame the victim, but that action led to his getting hit.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by Teachergal
maybe I don't know the whole story, but didn't he get out of his car of his own accord? You are never supposed to get out of your car. There is no reason to. I hate to blame the victim, but that action led to his getting hit.
ITA. It was a tragic accident, but you are NEVER supposed to get out of your car, especially if you are still on the roadway.
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| Posted 3/15/12 9:12 PM |
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
If there is such sun blindness to that degree, regardless if you're a cop or civilian, you slow the eff down and take extreme caution.
I don't think the blame should be entirely upon the boy.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by LMichele
This story makes me SO angry. I was watching News 12 this morning, and they are subtly spinning it to make it seem like it was hit fault for being stopped on the LIE. Now a Newsday article is saying that they have to "investigate" whether or not he really was involved in the hit and run as first reported. They both keep bringing up how he was just standing in the HOV lane and it makes me so angry for his family how they are making it sound as if he was in the wrong.
I just read in Newsday how he called his mom minutes before to tell her he was scared, and my heart just broke :(
While I posted many times about this topic bc I feel so terrible for this family, people are often killed on highways when they get out of their car. He wasn't even in the shoulder, he was in the HOV lane, which is a driving lane. If his car was indeed driveable unfortunately he made a terrible mistake to pull over there and get out of the car. Was his car driveable or not? That is a very important question. If it was driveable, not only did he put himself in danger, but he put other drivers in danger who are driving in that lane and aren't even supposed to exit other than at exit points (which are few and far between).
Not sure where he was standing, but even worse if you stand in front of or next to the car. Then you add in the limited visibilty in the HOV lane at some points on the LIE and then you add in the glare of the sun. Honestly sounds just like an awful accident but one that probably could have been avoided if this young man had realized even if he was sideswiped, if his car was driveable, he should have at least made his way over to the shoulder. He probably was confused and shooken up and just didn't think or even realize the danger of stopping in a driving lane, and even worse, standing in a driving lane. If his car was not driveable, then I am not sure what I would have done either. I guess I would have stood to the meridian....behind the car...but that would be scary I must admit! I think they say you should stay in your car with the seatbelt but that seems pretty scary too....so the question is was his car driveable?
What are they implying he was doing?
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by cncforever
If there is such sun blindness to that degree, regardless if you're a cop or civilian, you slow the eff down and take extreme caution.
I don't think the blame should be entirely upon the boy.
Maybe the speed picked up, when the sheriff tried to swerve around the car (which is what I heard)? Regardless, I am pretty sure even doing the speed limit, you can easily kill someone if your car hits them and they aren't protected in a vehicle. Do we know how fast the cop was going?
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by LMichele
This story makes me SO angry. I was watching News 12 this morning, and they are subtly spinning it to make it seem like it was hit fault for being stopped on the LIE. Now a Newsday article is saying that they have to "investigate" whether or not he really was involved in the hit and run as first reported. They both keep bringing up how he was just standing in the HOV lane and it makes me so angry for his family how they are making it sound as if he was in the wrong.
I just read in Newsday how he called his mom minutes before to tell her he was scared, and my heart just broke :(
There should easily be some eyewitness accounts if he was in a hit and run, at that time of day. But even if he was, not sure but are you supposed to stay in the exact spot of the incident or can you pull to the shoulder if it's a hit and run?
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by Goobster
Posted by cncforever
If there is such sun blindness to that degree, regardless if you're a cop or civilian, you slow the eff down and take extreme caution.
I don't think the blame should be entirely upon the boy.
Maybe the speed picked up, when the cop tried to swerve around the car (which is what I heard)? Regardless, I am pretty sure even doing the speed limit, you can easily kill someone if your car hits them and they aren't protected in a vehicle. Do we know how fast the cop was going?
I read that the cop swerved to avoid a collision and hit the teen (he was blinded by the sun).
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by cncforever
If there is such sun blindness to that degree, regardless if you're a cop or civilian, you slow the eff down and take extreme caution.
I don't think the blame should be entirely upon the boy.
Exactly!!!! Roles could have been reversed. It could have been a cop on the outside of the car and a car hitting him. Sorry but slow the effff down!!!! Sun or no sun. Its a straight road. I would also be totally pissed if I were the family.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
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Posted by cncforever
If there is such sun blindness to that degree, regardless if you're a cop or civilian, you slow the eff down and take extreme caution.
I don't think the blame should be entirely upon the boy.
Maybe the speed picked up, when the cop tried to swerve around the car (which is what I heard)? Regardless, I am pretty sure even doing the speed limit, you can easily kill someone if your car hits them and they aren't protected in a vehicle. Do we know how fast the cop was going?
I read that the cop swerved to avoid a collision and hit the teen (he was blinded by the sun).
Oh and I am pretty sure I heard the sheriff swerved to avoid the teen's car, stricking him when he swerved (he didn't see the teen standing there). I understood it as the teen's vehicle he tried to avoid, not another vehicle. I could be wrong but that's what I heard on the news last night.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by cncforever
If there is such sun blindness to that degree, regardless if you're a cop or civilian, you slow the eff down and take extreme caution.
I don't think the blame should be entirely upon the boy.
I agree. He was 18, probably only driving for a year or 2 and was probably his first accident and didn't know what to do. He called his mother and said he was scared after the initial accident so he was probably nervous and wasn't sure what to do.
It's common sense to slow down when you are blinded by the sun. If it means going 5mph, then you do it. It really is a tragic story.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by PrincessP
Posted by cncforever
If there is such sun blindness to that degree, regardless if you're a cop or civilian, you slow the eff down and take extreme caution.
I don't think the blame should be entirely upon the boy.
Exactly!!!! Roles could have been reversed. It could have been a cop on the outside of the car and a car hitting him. Sorry but slow the effff down!!!! Sun or no sun. Its a straight road. I would also be totally pissed if I were the family.
I said it in a few other threads. I am not sure about where this happened, but there are points in the HOV lane that you cannot see too far ahead of you whether there is a glare or not. Then you add in the glare and I think it's pretty easy to have a deadly accident when someone is standing on the road, even if you are doing the speed limit.
I think we need all the facts here and I am not sure what they true facts are right now.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by cncforever
If there is such sun blindness to that degree, regardless if you're a cop or civilian, you slow the eff down and take extreme caution.
I don't think the blame should be entirely upon the boy.
I agree. He was 18, probably only driving for a year or 2 and was probably his first accident and didn't know what to do. He called his mother and said he was scared after the initial accident so he was probably nervous and wasn't sure what to do.
It's common sense to slow down when you are blinded by the sun. If it means going 5mph, then you do it. It really is a tragic story.
I sort of disagree though. When you are driving on the highway, most cars pretty much keep up the pace of the surrounding cars. And you can't do less than a certain speed on the LIE< esp in the left lane or HOV lane or that alone would cause an accident. I don't know. I just don't want to crucify the cop when we don't know all the facts and the fact is it was an unfortunate accident, where someone was standing in the road in the HOV lane, a fast moving lane that has some blind spots and honestly, most people would never imagine a person would be standing in it.
Tragic and terrible. Hope the full story comes out b/c I am sure that cop feels terrible. And it was an accident, but that doesn't mean it was carelessness on the cop's part. We just don't know the full story yet.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
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Posted by cncforever
If there is such sun blindness to that degree, regardless if you're a cop or civilian, you slow the eff down and take extreme caution.
I don't think the blame should be entirely upon the boy.
Maybe the speed picked up, when the cop tried to swerve around the car (which is what I heard)? Regardless, I am pretty sure even doing the speed limit, you can easily kill someone if your car hits them and they aren't protected in a vehicle. Do we know how fast the cop was going?
I read that the cop swerved to avoid a collision and hit the teen (he was blinded by the sun).
Oh and I am pretty sure I heard the cop swerved to avoid the teen's car, stricking him when he swerved (he didn't see the teen standing there). I understood it as the teen's vehicle he tried to avoid, not another vehicle. I could be wrong but that's what I heard on the news last night.
The article didn't specify, it just said the cop swerved to avoid a collision when he hit the teen, so I'm not sure of the details.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
There was fault on both sides. This is an unfortunate accident. The cop should have gone slower, the boy should have stayed in the car. The fact remains, if the boy had stayed in the car, he most likely would have survived.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by Teachergal
There was fault on both sides. This is an unfortunate accident. The cop should have gone slower, the boy should have stayed in the car. The fact remains, if the boy had stayed in the car, he most likely would have survived.
But do we know how fast the cop was going? You cannot go too slow on the highway either, esp if the traffic around you is going the speed limit or faster. That alone can cause an accident. Was the cop doing something else? Distracted? On the phone? Flying or going the speed limit? We need more info. But what we do know is no one expects to see a person standing in the road, in an HOV lane of all lanes, esp with all it's blind spots (and IMO the HOV lane has a bunch of areas where you cannot see that far ahead of you).
I think we can all attest to...have you ever been driving, going the speed limit, and out of nowhere a broken down car is in front of you? You have to swerve to avoid it. This does happen. Sometimes some parts of the road sneak up on you. It's a highway, not a pedestrian roadway and no one ever expects a car to he stopped or a person to be standing there, kwim? It was a highway, not a sidewalk, or street even. So I think it was just an awful accident but I don't neccessarily think the cop did anything wrong. We know little that indicates that IMO.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by Goobster
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Posted by cncforever
If there is such sun blindness to that degree, regardless if you're a cop or civilian, you slow the eff down and take extreme caution.
I don't think the blame should be entirely upon the boy.
I agree. He was 18, probably only driving for a year or 2 and was probably his first accident and didn't know what to do. He called his mother and said he was scared after the initial accident so he was probably nervous and wasn't sure what to do.
It's common sense to slow down when you are blinded by the sun. If it means going 5mph, then you do it. It really is a tragic story.
I sort of disagree though. When you are driving on the highway, most cars pretty much keep up the pace of the surrounding cars. And you can't do less than a certain speed on the LIE< esp in the left lane or HOV lane or that alone would cause an accident. I don't know. I just don't want to crucify the cop when we don't know all the facts and the fact is it was an unfortunate accident, where someone was standing in the road in the HOV lane, a fast moving lane that has some blind spots and honestly, most people would never imagine a person would be standing in it.
Tragic and terrible. Hope the full story comes out b/c I am sure that cop feels terrible. And it was an accident, but that doesn't mean it was carelessness on the cop's part. We just don't know the full story yet.
I agree with Goobster. This cop was doing his job, and an unfortunate accident occurred. No one knows how fast traffic was moving or how fast the cop was driving. If you drive 5mph when everyone else is driving 40mph you are creating a very dangerous situation on the road, not just for you but for everyone.
The teen was obviously scared to be in an accident and stuck on the LIe, but it is so much safer to stay in your car with your seat belt on. The article I read said his car was disabled so he couldn't move it, and unfortunately he didn't stay in the car. I feel terrible for everyone involved, but it WAS an unfortunate accident
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
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There was fault on both sides. This is an unfortunate accident. The cop should have gone slower, the boy should have stayed in the car. The fact remains, if the boy had stayed in the car, he most likely would have survived.
But do we know how fast the cop was going? You cannot go too slow on the highway either, esp if the traffic around you is going the speed limit or faster. That alone can cause an accident. Was the cop doing something else? Distracted? On the phone? Flying or going the speed limit? We need more info. But what we do know is no one expects to see a person standing in the road, in an HOV lane of all lanes, esp with all it's blind spots (and IMO the HOV lane has a bunch of areas where you cannot see that far ahead of you).
I think what seems peculiar about the whole thing is- when a car is stopped in the HOV lane, everyone slows down to stare. I guess I just don't get how the cop could have been going that fast when the cars around them were most likely slowed down. Also, the cop didn't know he would be there. He was just on a routine drive the article said. It will be interesting to hear from any eye witnesses.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by Teachergal
I think what seems peculiar about the whole thing is- when a car is stopped in the HOV lane, everyone slows down to stare. I guess I just don't get how the cop could have been going that fast when the cars around them were most likely slowed down. Also, the cop didn't know he would be there. He was just on a routine drive the article said. It will be interesting to hear from any eye witnesses.
Unless everyone around was going slower and the HOV lane was moving fast....maybe the boy JUST got out of the car and the sheriff was the first one to arrive behind him? Otherwise, wouldn't everyone have been slowing down to even get around him? KWIM? There is def missing info here.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by Teachergal
There was fault on both sides. This is an unfortunate accident. The cop should have gone slower, the boy should have stayed in the car. The fact remains, if the boy had stayed in the car, he most likely would have survived.
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And it could have been anyone that hit him, if the cop wasn't there, it would have been someone else.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
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There was fault on both sides. This is an unfortunate accident. The cop should have gone slower, the boy should have stayed in the car. The fact remains, if the boy had stayed in the car, he most likely would have survived.
ITA!!!
And it could have been anyone that hit him, if the cop wasn't there, it would have been someone else.
And I think people really need to keep in mind, this is the ROADWAY. Not the shoulder. No one expects a car to be stopped or a person to be standing in the roadway. If we drove like that on the highway, the highway would never move unfortunately. You don't drive expecting to see a person or a car stopped on the highway. You just can't. Just as if a car unexpectedly swerves at you on the highway, you wouldn't expect that to happen either. Kwim?
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
This story is so sad. I think he was a young kid that was an inexperienced driver and did not know what to do. The fact that he called his mom and said he was scared breaks my heart. If had listened to his mom he'd probably still be alive
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Posted by KaKa2323
This story is so sad. I think he was a young kid that was an inexperienced driver and did not know what to do. The fact that he called his mom and said he was scared breaks my heart. If had listened to his mom he'd probably still be alive
Why? What did his mom say to do?
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
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This story is so sad. I think he was a young kid that was an inexperienced driver and did not know what to do. The fact that he called his mom and said he was scared breaks my heart. If had listened to his mom he'd probably still be alive
Why? What did his mom say to do?
His mom told him whatever you do do not get out of the car.
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Re: The teen hit & killed by the cop on the LIE..
Another thing to remember is this was a sheriff's deputy, not a cop. They only started patrolling the LIE a couple years ago (traffic stops, accidents, etc). It was not part of his duties prior to that. They should have a different mindset when patrolling as opposed to just driving. I think he should have seen a stopped vehicle on the LIE, sun or no sun.
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