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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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It is ridiculous, Im sorry. I 99% of the time I bleeding liberal, almost a socialist but NOT on this. NOT on this.
There is NO REASON that people flipping burgers should be making the same as I was or graduates are now entering the job market at an entry level position after going to school and earning a degree. NO WAY.
You cant just have things handed to you bc you want it or "deserve it". I get that people have families and are hard workers, I do, but there is ALWAYS menial labor jobs vs professional or trained/specialty blue collar jobs that deserve that pay bc they learned a trade or a degree. Your pay level SHOULD be directly related to the skills/training/education necessary to obtain said job.
It pisses me off, it does.
What if these people are just not able to get a better job? What f they don't have the brains or money to attend college or technical school? Should they be forced to live on the margins of society because they aren't as lucky as you or I?
Also, why are we demonizing low skilled workers? Why should we be supplementing their salaries with welfare and what not because CEO's don't want to piss of their shareholders?
Thats how it works, just bc you cant for whatever reason doesnt make you entitled to make the same as a college grad working a job that requires no skill or education, it just doesnt.
This has nothing to with be "entitled". This has to do with treating people like human beings. These people should not be demonized and we as a society should not have to pick up the slack monetarily because these companies don't pay their workers a living wage.
Walmart costs our economy over 6 BILLION dollars a year because they don't pay their workers a living wage.
Walmart
I disagree.
You can disagree all you want, but the facts are the facts. Low wage workers cost you, me and everyone else in our country. Why the hell should the Walton family and the owners of the major fast food chains be let off the hook? Why should we subsidize their fancy houses and yachts because they refuse to pay their workers fairly? I'm siting Walmart because they are the countries largest low wage employer.
My aunt works for Walmart in VA - she's a regular FT employee in the store - not corporate - she's been there 12 years and her currently hourly rate is $27 an hour - she started at min wage. Her benefits aren't the greatest but she has them.
Over time, you get promoted, get raises. You start at the bottom and work your way up.
I only went to college for 2 years but still have that education and STILL make less after over 20 years then your aunt. Which means when this all goes through and in 2021 when they are making $15/hour, the rest of us who have experience and educations will be passed by. Makes no sense.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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 remember The health care act? Everyone was so happy until insurance premiums skyrocketed, companies dropped people off insurance, doctors stopped accepting insurance etc. same story over and over.
It's been several years and I'm still happy this country has the ACA.
Sure my premiums and copays have gone up a bit but knowing how many thousands upon thousands of previously uninsured people now have insurance, is a wonderful thing. But I know it's not all about me, me, me.
Gone up a bit?are you Union? Mine and many others have deductibles and premiums that have gone through the roof.
It's not about me, me, me. Remember if one day an average middle class family needs help with college costs, food, retirement costs, or health insurance , it will likely not be available.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Millie3
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Posted by Millie3
remember The health care act? Everyone was so happy until insurance premiums skyrocketed, companies dropped people off insurance, doctors stopped accepting insurance etc. same story over and over.
It's been several years and I'm still happy this country has the ACA.
Sure my premiums and copays have gone up a bit but knowing how many thousands upon thousands of previously uninsured people now have insurance, is a wonderful thing. But I know it's not all about me, me, me.
Gone up a bit?are you Union? Mine and many others have deductibles and premiums that have gone through the roof.
It's not about me, me, me. Remember if one day an average middle class family needs help with college costs, food, retirement costs, or health insurance , it will likely not be available.
Exactly. my insurance premiums are ridiculous and the Drs who I use to love do not accept any insurances from the ACA bc of lack of payment. I have a copay to breathe in the direction of any Drs office.
Yes , my mother now pays $0 for her health insurance. But I now pay $$$ for it with less benefits.
It hurts the middle class the most.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
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Posted by Millie3
remember The health care act? Everyone was so happy until insurance premiums skyrocketed, companies dropped people off insurance, doctors stopped accepting insurance etc. same story over and over.
It's been several years and I'm still happy this country has the ACA.
Sure my premiums and copays have gone up a bit but knowing how many thousands upon thousands of previously uninsured people now have insurance, is a wonderful thing. But I know it's not all about me, me, me.
Gone up a bit?are you Union? Mine and many others have deductibles and premiums that have gone through the roof.
It's not about me, me, me. Remember if one day an average middle class family needs help with college costs, food, retirement costs, or health insurance , it will likely not be available.
Exactly. my insurance premiums are ridiculous and the Drs who I use to love do not accept any insurances from the ACA bc of lack of payment. I have a copay to breathe in the direction of any Drs office.
Yes , my mother now pays $0 for her health insurance. But I now pay $$$ for it with less benefits.
It hurts the middle class the most.
Exactly! And this is case for most people that I speak with.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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It is ridiculous, Im sorry. I 99% of the time I bleeding liberal, almost a socialist but NOT on this. NOT on this.
There is NO REASON that people flipping burgers should be making the same as I was or graduates are now entering the job market at an entry level position after going to school and earning a degree. NO WAY.
You cant just have things handed to you bc you want it or "deserve it". I get that people have families and are hard workers, I do, but there is ALWAYS menial labor jobs vs professional or trained/specialty blue collar jobs that deserve that pay bc they learned a trade or a degree. Your pay level SHOULD be directly related to the skills/training/education necessary to obtain said job.
It pisses me off, it does.
What if these people are just not able to get a better job? What f they don't have the brains or money to attend college or technical school? Should they be forced to live on the margins of society because they aren't as lucky as you or I?
Also, why are we demonizing low skilled workers? Why should we be supplementing their salaries with welfare and what not because CEO's don't want to piss of their shareholders?
Thats how it works, just bc you cant for whatever reason doesnt make you entitled to make the same as a college grad working a job that requires no skill or education, it just doesnt.
I agree.
I feel like that is the same mentality as everyone gets an award even if you didn't come In first place.
There are plenty of people who make more then I do in my field and that's because they have the degrees I do not. Does that automatically make them more talented then I am? No. But I accept it for what it is and continue to learn as I go.
If people would stop abusing the system, there would be plenty of money available to help supplement the mentally challenged and elderly who make minimum wage due to not being able to learn past that point. That's why I believe this issue goes hand in hand.
ITA 1000000%
Guess what, life isn't fair. Period. There is no such thing as equality for all...............there will FOREVER be someone smarter, dumber, more fortunate, less fortunate, richer, poorer and on and on and on. THAT IS LIFE.
I'm sorry someone has to flip burgers to make a living and I can appreciate how hard it is for them in life if that is your sole source of income BUT people who are making better money in the world usually are more educated, more skilled, have more expertise, have more knowledge and have more value within a company to the extent where it might not be *that* easy to just replace them. A fast food worker, they are a dime a dozen. ANYONE can do that job. The more value you add to a company the more money you stand to make.
People who are making six figures aren't doing so just because they woke up and breathed. Flipping a hamburger..............it requires no brain power, no skill, no education, no anything. It's the EXACT type of job minimum wage is suited for and if someone up and quits on the spot there is another HS kid waiting in line who will happily make a few bucks serving up fries.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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Stop. Cashiers at Mcdonalds and Walmart should NOT be making the same as a teacher. Or an editor. OR a fireman. STOP. You just sound like you're chock full of white guilt.
The question is not which job is worth more. The question is that people need a living wage. Facts support that people cannot support themselves with this minimum wage. Facts support that the minimum wage we have now is costing taxpayers more money.
And teachers don't make tons of money in some areas. But they do get pensions, insurance, etc. But that's another argument.
I understand that people NEED to live, but no one should go into a job at a fast food restaurant or a supermarket as a cashier and expect for to earn career type wages - unless they work their way UP in a company.
No one is talking about "career type wages". We are talking about the minimum amount that someone needs to support themselves.
The amount needed for anyone to survive while working in Burger King would FAR exceed what any fast food worker should EVER make in that type of job. I'm sorry, life costs money. A LOT of it. And if all you are capable of doing is a minimum wage job then do what generations before did................ bust your a$$, work 2-3 jobs, and do what you need to to support your family. Don't just sit back with NO skills and whine that you should make more money for nothing. For the love of god..............putting fries into a carton does NOT warrant $15/hr. That's ridiculous.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Millie3
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Posted by Millie3
remember The health care act? Everyone was so happy until insurance premiums skyrocketed, companies dropped people off insurance, doctors stopped accepting insurance etc. same story over and over.
It's been several years and I'm still happy this country has the ACA.
Sure my premiums and copays have gone up a bit but knowing how many thousands upon thousands of previously uninsured people now have insurance, is a wonderful thing. But I know it's not all about me, me, me.
Gone up a bit?are you Union? Mine and many others have deductibles and premiums that have gone through the roof.
It's not about me, me, me. Remember if one day an average middle class family needs help with college costs, food, retirement costs, or health insurance , it will likely not be available.
Nope. No union. Never been in one. Don't even have a 401k. Have a regular old HMO w/ deductible through DH's job.
ETA: Also never had to switch doctors when the insurance switched over.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Sorry if I sound dumb but if this is going to
Reduce the number on welfare?
Bc they will
Apply now that the pay is more?
And as for people
Abusing the system if you don't think it happens a lot well then I don't know what to say bc I could introduce you to a few and def see people buying things with the card they should not be
I even know people
Who use wic to her formula and then b and sell it on a but sell board
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Re healthcare... I work in healthcare. I see lots of people who were forced to purchase insurance (so that they didn't have to pay the penalty) and these plans that they're paying for - Expensive plans that are costing them $$ per month that they weren't paying before - also have HUGE deductibles... So basically b/c these people make "too much" to have the gov't pay part of it, they're shelling out $$ for insurance AND again when they have to use the insurance b/c their deductibles are through the roof.
But that's unrelated to this. Just a side note.
And PPS - just b/c ppl live in mansions and make millions it doesn't mean they're REQUIRED to share more of it.
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Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Has anyone considered the message this will give our children? What incentive are we giving them to work harder and be better if in the end it could all have the same exact outcome? Why strive for the A when a D will give you the same thing? Some people don’t have the means to go to college – but I know several people who don’t have a college degree, busted their a$$ and are very successful. Way more successful than my finance degree. They had no handouts – they worked extremely hard – proved themselves and that eventually reflected in their pay. This is just a poor excuse and another way to encourage our society to be lazy and just “scrape” by.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Also if a kid gets 15 a hour at Burger King,graduates college say and his job is paying less why leave Burger King
What if this job takes years to get a raise or even longer to match the 15 per
Hour
Why go to college then? Can't graduate and go to a new job and take a pay cut
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Seawolf
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Seawolf
Stop. Cashiers at Mcdonalds and Walmart should NOT be making the same as a teacher. Or an editor. OR a fireman. STOP. You just sound like you're chock full of white guilt.
The question is not which job is worth more. The question is that people need a living wage. Facts support that people cannot support themselves with this minimum wage. Facts support that the minimum wage we have now is costing taxpayers more money.
And teachers don't make tons of money in some areas. But they do get pensions, insurance, etc. But that's another argument.
I understand that people NEED to live, but no one should go into a job at a fast food restaurant or a supermarket as a cashier and expect for to earn career type wages - unless they work their way UP in a company.
No one is talking about "career type wages". We are talking about the minimum amount that someone needs to support themselves.
The amount needed for anyone to survive while working in Burger King would FAR exceed what any fast food worker should EVER make in that type of job. I'm sorry, life costs money. A LOT of it. And if all you are capable of doing is a minimum wage job then do what generations before did................ bust your a$$, work 2-3 jobs, and do what you need to to support your family. Don't just sit back with NO skills and whine that you should make more money for nothing. For the love of god..............putting fries into a carton does NOT warrant $15/hr. That's ridiculous.
Oh sure. Go work 2-3 jobs. Why should ANYONE be forced to do that to live? I thought as a country we are supposed to be better than your average developing nation.The lack of compassion some people have is mind blowing. And really, how does this effect you or anyone else who is against this? I'll say it again, we are SUBSIDIZING the companies and people that own these business. We as taxpayers are paying for their workers healthcare and food and what ever other public assistance because the companies are not taking care of their employees. And it's not as easy as "then go get a better paying job". Here is research the basically shows that is close to impossible.
Poverty and Low Wage Workers
NYTimes Article on Poverty and Wages
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Seawolf
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Seawolf
Stop. Cashiers at Mcdonalds and Walmart should NOT be making the same as a teacher. Or an editor. OR a fireman. STOP. You just sound like you're chock full of white guilt.
The question is not which job is worth more. The question is that people need a living wage. Facts support that people cannot support themselves with this minimum wage. Facts support that the minimum wage we have now is costing taxpayers more money.
And teachers don't make tons of money in some areas. But they do get pensions, insurance, etc. But that's another argument.
I understand that people NEED to live, but no one should go into a job at a fast food restaurant or a supermarket as a cashier and expect for to earn career type wages - unless they work their way UP in a company.
No one is talking about "career type wages". We are talking about the minimum amount that someone needs to support themselves.
The amount needed for anyone to survive while working in Burger King would FAR exceed what any fast food worker should EVER make in that type of job. I'm sorry, life costs money. A LOT of it. And if all you are capable of doing is a minimum wage job then do what generations before did................ bust your a$$, work 2-3 jobs, and do what you need to to support your family. Don't just sit back with NO skills and whine that you should make more money for nothing. For the love of god..............putting fries into a carton does NOT warrant $15/hr. That's ridiculous.
Oh sure. Go work 2-3 jobs. Why should ANYONE be forced to do that to live? I thought as a country we are supposed to be better than your average developing nation.The lack of compassion some people have is mind blowing. And really, how does this effect you or anyone else who is against this? I'll say it again, we are SUBSIDIZING the companies and people that own these business. We as taxpayers are paying for their workers healthcare and food and what ever other public assistance because the companies are not taking care of their employees. And it's not as easy as "then go get a better paying job". Here is research the basically shows that is close to impossible.
Poverty and Low Wage Workers
NYTimes Article on Poverty and Wages
as always
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
haven't read all the comments some but not all.
Fast food workers should not be getting paid $15 an hour its not a job meant for people to live off of.
to be blunt get off your ass go to school and get a better job if you cant live off your fast food salary.
this is the problem with country rather than make people do some work lets just raise minimum wage to $15 an hour to give more reasons for people to do less with their lives.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
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Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
I have an issue with this raise as people in the medical field, such as medical assistants - who (in my opinion) get tricked into going to medical assistant school and spend the $$ going, come out, can't find jobs, and if they do, find one making $11 / hour. These are the people handling your medications, working with the doctors, drawing blood, etc etc. It's outrageous.
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Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Everyone wants "the American Dream" (which, again, IMO, is dead) but they don't want to work for it.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
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Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
I just am trying to keep an open mind but people say all the time that we all work hard and long hours (and we do- globally, we are one
Of the most worked countries). People say it's a shame that some preach family values but there's few a family who can have dinner together. People ***** about stores being open on holidays. We get angry at lack of maternity and paternity leave.
But let's work non stop for shit pay and maybe 3 jobs
Which is it??
No snark intended. I just don't get it.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Seawolf
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Seawolf
Stop. Cashiers at Mcdonalds and Walmart should NOT be making the same as a teacher. Or an editor. OR a fireman. STOP. You just sound like you're chock full of white guilt.
The question is not which job is worth more. The question is that people need a living wage. Facts support that people cannot support themselves with this minimum wage. Facts support that the minimum wage we have now is costing taxpayers more money.
And teachers don't make tons of money in some areas. But they do get pensions, insurance, etc. But that's another argument.
I understand that people NEED to live, but no one should go into a job at a fast food restaurant or a supermarket as a cashier and expect for to earn career type wages - unless they work their way UP in a company.
No one is talking about "career type wages". We are talking about the minimum amount that someone needs to support themselves.
The amount needed for anyone to survive while working in Burger King would FAR exceed what any fast food worker should EVER make in that type of job. I'm sorry, life costs money. A LOT of it. And if all you are capable of doing is a minimum wage job then do what generations before did................ bust your a$$, work 2-3 jobs, and do what you need to to support your family. Don't just sit back with NO skills and whine that you should make more money for nothing. For the love of god..............putting fries into a carton does NOT warrant $15/hr. That's ridiculous.
Oh sure. Go work 2-3 jobs. Why should ANYONE be forced to do that to live? I thought as a country we are supposed to be better than your average developing nation.The lack of compassion some people have is mind blowing. And really, how does this effect you or anyone else who is against this? I'll say it again, we are SUBSIDIZING the companies and people that own these business. We as taxpayers are paying for their workers healthcare and food and what ever other public assistance because the companies are not taking care of their employees. And it's not as easy as "then go get a better paying job". Here is research the basically shows that is close to impossible.
Poverty and Low Wage Workers
NYTimes Article on Poverty and Wages
I worked 3 jobs in college that I attended FULL TIME so I could pay my rent, my car, food ETC ETC. You do what you have to do if you can do it! And guess what ... after I graduated I was so proud of myself that I did it on my own! Taught me great work ethic.
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Posted by jessnbrian
Everyone wants "the American Dream" (which, again, IMO, is dead) but they don't want to work for it.
I couldn't disagree more
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
I really don't know how I feel about it. On one hand, it's not a skilled job and people with degrees make that or sometimes less just starting off. On the other hand, many of these people are getting public assistance so it's really just shifting the burden to those who eat fast food (which isn't necessarily the worst thing). I do think something is broken when people work a full time job and need to be on public assistance or to work multiple other jobs and their employers are billionaires.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Seawolf
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Seawolf
Stop. Cashiers at Mcdonalds and Walmart should NOT be making the same as a teacher. Or an editor. OR a fireman. STOP. You just sound like you're chock full of white guilt.
The question is not which job is worth more. The question is that people need a living wage. Facts support that people cannot support themselves with this minimum wage. Facts support that the minimum wage we have now is costing taxpayers more money.
And teachers don't make tons of money in some areas. But they do get pensions, insurance, etc. But that's another argument.
I understand that people NEED to live, but no one should go into a job at a fast food restaurant or a supermarket as a cashier and expect for to earn career type wages - unless they work their way UP in a company.
No one is talking about "career type wages". We are talking about the minimum amount that someone needs to support themselves.
The amount needed for anyone to survive while working in Burger King would FAR exceed what any fast food worker should EVER make in that type of job. I'm sorry, life costs money. A LOT of it. And if all you are capable of doing is a minimum wage job then do what generations before did................ bust your a$$, work 2-3 jobs, and do what you need to to support your family. Don't just sit back with NO skills and whine that you should make more money for nothing. For the love of god..............putting fries into a carton does NOT warrant $15/hr. That's ridiculous.
Oh sure. Go work 2-3 jobs. Why should ANYONE be forced to do that to live? I thought as a country we are supposed to be better than your average developing nation.The lack of compassion some people have is mind blowing. And really, how does this effect you or anyone else who is against this? I'll say it again, we are SUBSIDIZING the companies and people that own these business. We as taxpayers are paying for their workers healthcare and food and what ever other public assistance because the companies are not taking care of their employees. And it's not as easy as "then go get a better paying job". Here is research the basically shows that is close to impossible.
Poverty and Low Wage Workers
NYTimes Article on Poverty and Wages
Because you do what you have to in order to survive. Life isn't a freakin handout and nobody said it's easy to get by. But you do what you have to, you work as hard as you can, and you make the best life possible for yourself. It's not about being compassionate, it's being realistic. Sorry, I'm not a bleeding heart, I believe it's on YOU to take care of YOU and make it in the world. EVERYTHING I've ever had was because either I or DH worked for it, no handouts and no relying on anyone else. Why aren't we all held to that standard????
When I started working minimum wage was $4.25/hr, you couldn't live on that in AT ALL and in the 25'ish years since I started working minimum wage has gone up and guess what, you STILL can't live off it. Point is, it really doesn't matter what the minimum wage is, it's NOT meant to be a "livable wage". It's NEVER been a livable wage and if your minimum wage job isn't enough money for you to get by, work more, work longer, get another job. We all have the capacity to better ourselves in some way. Not everyone can be a CEO and make millions but we can ALL do better if we put the work in.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
I just am trying to keep an open mind but people say all the time that we all work hard and long hours (and we do- globally, we are one
Of the most worked countries). People say it's a shame that some preach family values but there's few a family who can have dinner together. People ***** about stores being open on holidays. We get angry at lack of maternity and paternity leave.
But let's work non stop for shit pay and maybe 3 jobs
Which is it??
No snark intended. I just don't get it.
THANK YOU!!! It's like people who are against abortion. They really want you to keep that child but screw you once it's out of your womb if you need help.
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| Posted 7/27/15 2:58 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by MrsB612
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Posted by Seawolf
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Posted by Seawolf
Stop. Cashiers at Mcdonalds and Walmart should NOT be making the same as a teacher. Or an editor. OR a fireman. STOP. You just sound like you're chock full of white guilt.
The question is not which job is worth more. The question is that people need a living wage. Facts support that people cannot support themselves with this minimum wage. Facts support that the minimum wage we have now is costing taxpayers more money.
And teachers don't make tons of money in some areas. But they do get pensions, insurance, etc. But that's another argument.
I understand that people NEED to live, but no one should go into a job at a fast food restaurant or a supermarket as a cashier and expect for to earn career type wages - unless they work their way UP in a company.
No one is talking about "career type wages". We are talking about the minimum amount that someone needs to support themselves.
The amount needed for anyone to survive while working in Burger King would FAR exceed what any fast food worker should EVER make in that type of job. I'm sorry, life costs money. A LOT of it. And if all you are capable of doing is a minimum wage job then do what generations before did................ bust your a$$, work 2-3 jobs, and do what you need to to support your family. Don't just sit back with NO skills and whine that you should make more money for nothing. For the love of god..............putting fries into a carton does NOT warrant $15/hr. That's ridiculous.
Oh sure. Go work 2-3 jobs. Why should ANYONE be forced to do that to live? I thought as a country we are supposed to be better than your average developing nation.The lack of compassion some people have is mind blowing. And really, how does this effect you or anyone else who is against this? I'll say it again, we are SUBSIDIZING the companies and people that own these business. We as taxpayers are paying for their workers healthcare and food and what ever other public assistance because the companies are not taking care of their employees. And it's not as easy as "then go get a better paying job". Here is research the basically shows that is close to impossible.
Poverty and Low Wage Workers
NYTimes Article on Poverty and Wages
I worked 3 jobs in college that I attended FULL TIME so I could pay my rent, my car, food ETC ETC. You do what you have to do if you can do it! And guess what ... after I graduated I was so proud of myself that I did it on my own! Taught me great work ethic.
Why should anyone actually work hard when they can whine about how life isn't fair and they DESERVE more just because. 
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