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MrsPowers
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by stephanief
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Posted by Emily
I think it was a fair sentence. He had a clean record and made one he-double hockey sticks of a mistake. The family will never get their child back and his family is losing a son for at least 12 years (when he goes up for parole).
I am not sure this was the guys first offense.
I have to say the fact that this convicts family is "losing a son for at least 12 yrs" doesn't phase me at all! 
I disagree. His family did nothing wrong and they are suffering as well. I think it was horrible what happened to ALL of the families involved....
I think he should have gotten more time but I CAN symphatize with his family
I agree. I don't think it was enough time but I do feel badly for his family! His mother teaches at my school and I felt quite badly for her when I saw her this morning. It has to be hard for her.
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june262004
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by MrsPowers
Posted by stephanief
Posted by JennCo
Posted by Marybeth222
Posted by Emily
I think it was a fair sentence. He had a clean record and made one he-double hockey sticks of a mistake. The family will never get their child back and his family is losing a son for at least 12 years (when he goes up for parole).
I am not sure this was the guys first offense.
I have to say the fact that this convicts family is "losing a son for at least 12 yrs" doesn't phase me at all!
I disagree. His family did nothing wrong and they are suffering as well. I think it was horrible what happened to ALL of the families involved....
I think he should have gotten more time but I CAN symphatize with his family
I agree. I don't think it was enough time but I do feel badly for his family! His mother teaches at my school and I felt quite badly for her when I saw her this morning. It has to be hard for her.
Maybe she should have reminded him that he could have called her for a ride instead of getting in the car. Im sorry I don't feel sorry
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Beth
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by june262004
I agree. I don't think it was enough time but I do feel badly for his family! His mother teaches at my school and I felt quite badly for her when I saw her this morning. It has to be hard for her.
Maybe she should have reminded him that he could have called her for a ride instead of getting in the car. Im sorry I don't feel sorry
ouch- how is it his mother's fault? I feel bad for his family- not as bad as I feel for the victims families- but they are also suffering
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MrsPowers
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by june262004
Posted by MrsPowers
Posted by stephanief
I agree. I don't think it was enough time but I do feel badly for his family! His mother teaches at my school and I felt quite badly for her when I saw her this morning. It has to be hard for her.
Maybe she should have reminded him that he could have called her for a ride instead of getting in the car. Im sorry I don't feel sorry
I agree that he should have called her but it still has to be tough to deal with all of the press, the questions and the concept of your son going to jail for 18 years.
I am saying he deserves to serve his time but it isn't his family's fault it is his. And I do feel badly for his mom.
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MrsPowers
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
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Posted by june262004
I agree. I don't think it was enough time but I do feel badly for his family! His mother teaches at my school and I felt quite badly for her when I saw her this morning. It has to be hard for her.
Maybe she should have reminded him that he could have called her for a ride instead of getting in the car. Im sorry I don't feel sorry
ouch- how is it his mother's fault? I feel bad for his family- not as bad as I feel for the victims families- but they are also suffering
Exactly Beth, I agree with you.
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june262004
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by june262004
I agree. I don't think it was enough time but I do feel badly for his family! His mother teaches at my school and I felt quite badly for her when I saw her this morning. It has to be hard for her.
Maybe she should have reminded him that he could have called her for a ride instead of getting in the car. Im sorry I don't feel sorry
ouch- how is it his mother's fault? I feel bad for his family- not as bad as I feel for the victims families- but they are also suffering
Because I am very much AGAINST drunk driving. Ever since I was little my mother told me I could call her at any age at any time at any place she would come get me. I am 26 and If we goto a wedding she tells me if you need a ride call me. There were times where my friends parents would drop us off and my mom picked us up. I can't imagine how any mother would allow their child who was living with her to go out to a bar with their car after other drunk driving convictions.
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islandersgirl74
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He should have gotten more.
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mrswask
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I think his sentence was waaay too lenient! It's not consistent with the charge - he was found guilty of two murders - and he gets a sentence of 18 years???
He should rot in there!!!!
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Janice
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by MrsS2005
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can I ask an honest to God question?
If this guy was on trial for murder, how come DUI's aren't called attempted murder? Does anyone know the legal reasoning for it?
The whole case makes me ill. To think what that family has gone through
It's extremely rare for drunk drivers to be charged (and convicted) of murder. To be guilty of murder, one must have mens rea (a guilty mind). Basically, there must be some type of intent to harm/kill someone, or the person must act with reckless disregard for human life. People who are drunk are typically considered to have a diminished capacity, and do not meet the level of "guilty mind" required for murder (the same is true for those with mental illness). From a legal standpoint, this was definitely a controversial case. As horrible as his actions were, I'm not sure they rose to the legal definition of murder.
The real problem is that the setencing guidelines for drunk driving, especially when it results in injury or death, are too light. Instead of arguing of whether this man and other drunk drivers should be charged with murder, the states should enact harsher penalties for drunk driving.
makes sense, thanks!
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Nicole728
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by Beth1210
18 years for 2 lives is not enough
I agree
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| Posted 3/1/07 6:23 PM |
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I think it was a fair sentence.
ITA!
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AimeeE2006
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My mom's boss is very close to the Flynn family - it's really quite devastating what happened to Katie & what happened to the limo driver. Martin should get way more than 18 to life.
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BlondeJD
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by Janice
can I ask an honest to God question?
If this guy was on trial for murder, how come DUI's aren't called attempted murder? Does anyone know the legal reasoning for it?
The whole case makes me ill. To think what that family has gone through
If a person is charged with murder in connection with a DUI, they're generally charged with vehicular manslaughter because there isn't an *intent* to cause death - it's considered an act of negligence or recklessness. Because the crime of murder requires the intent to cause death, the crime of attempted murder also requires that same intent. This is the reason that there's not a crime of attempted manslaughter for example - because the crime is not one of intent, but one of negligence or recklessness. Hope this helps 
Personally, I think 18 years is an adequate sentence but I would have been even happier if he'd received a harsher sentence.
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I think he should have gotten more. Pulling up to the scene of the accident and seeing something so tragic like that happen. It will be burned in my memory for the rest of my life.
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Goldi0218
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To answer the question, I think he should have received more time in jail.
Then I think about how the mother of this child actually saw and held the body of her decapitated child.
After learning that fact, perhaps the most appropriate (though probably illegal and improbable) sentence would be to have that phrase "the mother of this child actually saw and held the body of her decapitated child." piped into a sound system and played into the cell of this man 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. It is surely a primitive idea but he is deserving of it.
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Beth
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by june262004
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by june262004
I agree. I don't think it was enough time but I do feel badly for his family! His mother teaches at my school and I felt quite badly for her when I saw her this morning. It has to be hard for her.
Maybe she should have reminded him that he could have called her for a ride instead of getting in the car. Im sorry I don't feel sorry
ouch- how is it his mother's fault? I feel bad for his family- not as bad as I feel for the victims families- but they are also suffering
Because I am very much AGAINST drunk driving. Ever since I was little my mother told me I could call her at any age at any time at any place she would come get me. I am 26 and If we goto a wedding she tells me if you need a ride call me. There were times where my friends parents would drop us off and my mom picked us up. I can't imagine how any mother would allow their child who was living with her to go out to a bar with their car after other drunk driving convictions.
I don't think anyone is FOR drunk driving- but it's not his Mother's fault- maybe she didn't even know about his first arrest- he was over 18-
I think it's great that your Mom offered you a safe ride, but not every parent does that- maybe she felt that she taught him well and he is a adult- capable of making his own decesions
I think it's a slippery slope to start blaming parents of people who get convicted of a crime-
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by june262004
I agree. I don't think it was enough time but I do feel badly for his family! His mother teaches at my school and I felt quite badly for her when I saw her this morning. It has to be hard for her.
Maybe she should have reminded him that he could have called her for a ride instead of getting in the car. Im sorry I don't feel sorry
ouch- how is it his mother's fault? I feel bad for his family- not as bad as I feel for the victims families- but they are also suffering
exactly...how quick we are to judge his family as being guilty of something....that is so sad
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june262004
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by june262004
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by june262004
I agree. I don't think it was enough time but I do feel badly for his family! His mother teaches at my school and I felt quite badly for her when I saw her this morning. It has to be hard for her.
Maybe she should have reminded him that he could have called her for a ride instead of getting in the car. Im sorry I don't feel sorry
ouch- how is it his mother's fault? I feel bad for his family- not as bad as I feel for the victims families- but they are also suffering
Because I am very much AGAINST drunk driving. Ever since I was little my mother told me I could call her at any age at any time at any place she would come get me. I am 26 and If we goto a wedding she tells me if you need a ride call me. There were times where my friends parents would drop us off and my mom picked us up. I can't imagine how any mother would allow their child who was living with her to go out to a bar with their car after other drunk driving convictions.
I don't think anyone is FOR drunk driving- but it's not his Mother's fault- maybe she didn't even know about his first arrest- he was over 18-
I think it's great that your Mom offered you a safe ride, but not every parent does that- maybe she felt that she taught him well and he is a adult- capable of making his own decesions
I think it's a slippery slope to start blaming parents of people who get convicted of a crime-
Oh well I guess we disagree....
I don't feel sorry for someone who will have to visit her family member in jail for 12 years
I feel sorry for the family that will have to visit a piece of stone for the rest of their lives
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I think he should have gotten more.
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MrsPowers
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by june262004
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by june262004
I agree. I don't think it was enough time but I do feel badly for his family! His mother teaches at my school and I felt quite badly for her when I saw her this morning. It has to be hard for her.
Maybe she should have reminded him that he could have called her for a ride instead of getting in the car. Im sorry I don't feel sorry
ouch- how is it his mother's fault? I feel bad for his family- not as bad as I feel for the victims families- but they are also suffering
Because I am very much AGAINST drunk driving. Ever since I was little my mother told me I could call her at any age at any time at any place she would come get me. I am 26 and If we goto a wedding she tells me if you need a ride call me. There were times where my friends parents would drop us off and my mom picked us up. I can't imagine how any mother would allow their child who was living with her to go out to a bar with their car after other drunk driving convictions.
I don't think anyone is FOR drunk driving- but it's not his Mother's fault- maybe she didn't even know about his first arrest- he was over 18-
I think it's great that your Mom offered you a safe ride, but not every parent does that- maybe she felt that she taught him well and he is a adult- capable of making his own decesions
I think it's a slippery slope to start blaming parents of people who get convicted of a crime-
Beth,
I think you and I are totally on the same page with this issue. I agree completely.
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by june262004
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by june262004
I agree. I don't think it was enough time but I do feel badly for his family! His mother teaches at my school and I felt quite badly for her when I saw her this morning. It has to be hard for her.
Maybe she should have reminded him that he could have called her for a ride instead of getting in the car. Im sorry I don't feel sorry
ouch- how is it his mother's fault? I feel bad for his family- not as bad as I feel for the victims families- but they are also suffering
Because I am very much AGAINST drunk driving. Ever since I was little my mother told me I could call her at any age at any time at any place she would come get me. I am 26 and If we goto a wedding she tells me if you need a ride call me. There were times where my friends parents would drop us off and my mom picked us up. I can't imagine how any mother would allow their child who was living with her to go out to a bar with their car after other drunk driving convictions.
Perhaps she DID say that to him... after 14+ drinks though he thought he was in his right mind to drive... clearly he wasn't, so why would he be in his right mind to call mommy...
Where were his friends?!?!
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SpiceGirl
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He gets behind the wheel drunk and kills two people. Lock him up and throw away the key. Harsh? Maybe, but if one of my family members were the victims, I'd want him to suffer a worse fate than being in jail for 18 years.
There's a word he should become familiar with while in prison...CONSEQUENCES.
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Beth
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Perhaps she DID say that to him... after 14+ drinks though he thought he was in his right mind to drive... clearly he wasn't, so why would he be in his right mind to call mommy...
Where were his friends?!?!
that's a better question
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june262004
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Re: WARNING: Touchy subject inside...
Posted by Beth1210
Perhaps she DID say that to him... after 14+ drinks though he thought he was in his right mind to drive... clearly he wasn't, so why would he be in his right mind to call mommy...
Where were his friends?!?!
that's a better question
Totally agree..
ALTHOUGH he drank a bottle of scotch at HOME and then went out.
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