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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by jerseypanda
Posted by annoyedTTCer
The have the killings on tape, no doubt he did it so I say the DP would be a perfect fit here
For me, my issue with the death penalty is that people are put on death row in cases where there is no video tape, there are no fingerprints or DNA evidence.
If there ever were to come a day where the death penalty could only be used in cases where there is video taped evidence of someone committing the crime, then maybe I will support it.
But until that day, when I see cases like the one I referred to above, the Cameron Willingham case, I cannot support the death penalty and will wish a slow, painful existence in jail for the people like this maggot who killed at the pharmacy.
Put me on the jury - I have no problem voting for DP when there is no reasonable doubt the person on trial did it.
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bobby769
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Thank god for the Jury Selection process!!!
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| Posted 6/22/11 4:52 PM |
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
I do not support the death penalty for Laffer in this situation, and here's why:
1. most of us are reacting to the tragedy out of emotion, not reason. We don't have the entire set of facts - only whats been reported by the media. We don't know what his motive for shooting was (besides getting the drugs), we dont know whether he was aiming to KILL or aiming to just PHYSICALLY INJURE those people. Since there are 4 murdered bodies, the prosecution will have at a minimum indictments for each individual - all going from 1st degree premeditated murder all the way to involuntary manslaughter.
Until the video is released showing exactly how the shootings went down, I will not play jury on this.
2. The man has no priors. No prior murder history, convictions, etc. Whether he acted out of sheer insanity as a result of a drug overdose or absolute intent - is something for a Judge and Jury to decide.
With that said, based on my raw emotion I would want this mother---effer to fry until the sun goes down...but in my rational good conscious can not support a death penalty as an appropriate punishment based on the information we have to date.
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| Posted 6/22/11 4:55 PM |
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BargainMama
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by bobby769
If the person can be rehabilitated, they should not be put to death.
Are we talking about a career criminal here? Remember, these were people who some of you had everyday interactions w/. You saw them as people. Have they lost their humanity in your hearts?
I have a couple of former drug addicts in my family. One of them is my father. He committed non violent crimes while he was on drugs and was prosecuted accordingly, and rightfully so. Had he have killed someone in cold blood while he was on drugs, I would have expected him to be prosecuted to the FULL extent of the law for that.
He was fully rehabilitated and just celebrated 2 years being drug free. However, killing someone doesn't deserve even a chance at rehabilitation in my opinion.
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| Posted 6/22/11 4:55 PM |
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BargainMama
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
we dont know whether he was aiming to KILL or aiming to just PHYSICALLY INJURE those people. Since there are 4 murdered bodies, the prosecution will have at a minimum indictments for each individual - all going from 1st degree premeditated murder all the way to involuntary manslaughter.
Until the video is released showing exactly how the shootings went down, I will not play jury on this.
I don't know that shooting in the head execution style would be aiming to just injure them. Leg, yes.
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| Posted 6/22/11 4:57 PM |
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by BargainMama
, killing someone doesn't deserve even a chance at rehabilitation in my opinion.
THIS!
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| Posted 6/22/11 4:57 PM |
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Faithx2
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
we dont know whether he was aiming to KILL or aiming to just PHYSICALLY INJURE those people. Since there are 4 murdered bodies, the prosecution will have at a minimum indictments for each individual - all going from 1st degree premeditated murder all the way to involuntary manslaughter.
Until the video is released showing exactly how the shootings went down, I will not play jury on this.
I don't know that shooting in the head execution style would be aiming to just injure them. Leg, yes.
Seriously! I'd say the intent to kill was there  Just a hunch....
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| Posted 6/22/11 4:59 PM |
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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
I do not support the death penalty for Laffer in this situation, and here's why:
1. most of us are reacting to the tragedy out of emotion, not reason. We don't have the entire set of facts - only whats been reported by the media. We don't know what his motive for shooting was (besides getting the drugs), we dont know whether he was aiming to KILL or aiming to just PHYSICALLY INJURE those people. Since there are 4 murdered bodies, the prosecution will have at a minimum indictments for each individual - all going from 1st degree premeditated murder all the way to involuntary manslaughter.
Until the video is released showing exactly how the shootings went down, I will not play jury on this.
2. The man has no priors. No prior murder history, convictions, etc. Whether he acted out of sheer insanity as a result of a drug overdose or absolute intent - is something for a Judge and Jury to decide.
With that said, based on my raw emotion I would want this mother---effer to fry until the sun goes down...but in my rational good conscious can not support a death penalty as an appropriate punishment based on the information we have to date.
They have the entire scene on tape - nobody fought him and the attack wasn't provoked.
Who gives a f@ck what his motive was?
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| Posted 6/22/11 4:59 PM |
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by PrincessVonTrockel
Posted by bobby769
Drug abuse needs to be treated medically, not criminally.
I respectfully disagree. My opinion on this is that taking drugs is a choice, going out into a pharmacy to steal them is a choice, and killing 4 people to obtain them is also a choice and therefore to me (and ppl can disagree) it is criminal and not medical.
ITA!
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bobby769
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
I'm sure those who feel these killers should be put to death feel the same way about a DWI that results in the death of an innocent bystander.
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| Posted 6/22/11 5:00 PM |
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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by bobby769
Thank god for the Jury Selection process!!!
yeah, may they find some people who don't believe in coddling trash.
What's next, we stroke his head while telling him it isn't his fault?
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| Posted 6/22/11 5:01 PM |
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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by bobby769
I'm sure those who feel these killers should be put to death feel the same way about a DWI that results in the death of an innocent bystander.
Can't prove intent to kill with DWI
Shooting someone point blank in the head is an easier case to make.
Was David a friend of yours?
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| Posted 6/22/11 5:02 PM |
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jerseypanda
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by jerseypanda
Posted by annoyedTTCer
The have the killings on tape, no doubt he did it so I say the DP would be a perfect fit here
For me, my issue with the death penalty is that people are put on death row in cases where there is no video tape, there are no fingerprints or DNA evidence.
If there ever were to come a day where the death penalty could only be used in cases where there is video taped evidence of someone committing the crime, then maybe I will support it.
But until that day, when I see cases like the one I referred to above, the Cameron Willingham case, I cannot support the death penalty and will wish a slow, painful existence in jail for the people like this maggot who killed at the pharmacy.
Put me on the jury - I have no problem voting for DP when there is no reasonable doubt the person on trial did it.
I understand what you are saying. And in the case I referenced above, obviously the jury agreed that there was no reasonable doubt to send that man to death. Unfortunately, there were "experts" who testified who were wrong in their evaluation of what happened.
I would feel absolutely horrible if I were on a jury who sentenced a man to death, only to find out after he died that he was innocent due to faulty testimony. 
I understand that you feel this case is different because it is on tape. But to me the death penalty should not be used for anyone if cases like Willingham's still happen.
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| Posted 6/22/11 5:03 PM |
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emilylives
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
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Are there really that many people that have been put to death that are innocent? I don't think I've heard of any.
I hope he fries, along with his wife.
Too many, unfortunatly. The majority being black and poor.
There is NO question in my mind that are TOO many innocent people on death row.
The absolute truth is it SHOULD be abolished since too many innocent people are convicted and put to death...not to mention its really not a detterent.
BUT, I will stick by my statement that when you have someone, with not ONE shadow of a doubt at all of being guilty of SUCH a heinous crime...I say fry fry fry and dont look back.
Do you have any literature on this? I know I've heard of innocent people being freed after DNA evidence became available and cleared them. Never heard of it in death penalty cases though. Would love to know more about this.
Here's a link to people who were possibly innocent. I don't know whether it's ever been proven. I doubt that there's a lot of fact checking that generally goes on after people are killed.
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| Posted 6/22/11 5:05 PM |
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by bobby769
Drugs make people do crazy things. Things they or anyone they know would never expect from them during sober moments.
Should we kill every drug addict? Or should we kill them only after they commit a crime that oversteps our individual and personal boundaries?
I'm not sure how you equate overstepping individual and personal boundaries with murder.
I'm not sure if I would give him the death penalty having not seen the evidence, etc. I'm also not sure how I feel the level of responsibility of the actions of someone who is on a mind altering substance either. Locking him up & throwing away the key - sure.
Also as for how the families will feel in 6 months...I know my good friend's family felt the same way about the guy who (premeditated) murdered their brother from the day he was murdered until the day the guy died in jail.
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| Posted 6/22/11 5:07 PM |
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emilylives
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by bobby769
I am very opposed to the death penalty, but I think the things you've said on this thread are either just dumb or are trying to stir up drama. You can't equate drunk driving and shooting someone in the head. You don't treat any random drug dealer the same way you treat a quadruple murderer. It's pretty simple stuff.
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| Posted 6/22/11 5:37 PM |
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alli3131
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
No need to even debate this topic. We do not have the death penalty I'm NYS. The most he will do is life without parole.
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| Posted 6/22/11 5:38 PM |
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DumpsterBaby
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by alli3131
No need to even debate this topic. We do not have the death penalty I'm NYS. The most he will do is life without parole.
Finally a voice of reason.
This is a moot point, no need to debate hypotheticals.
I believe far too much in the good in people, and that people can get better and be rehabilitated. But I will take that on a case by case basis depending on the crimes.
Justice from McDonalds or justice from Peter Luger makes no difference as long as justice is served. As long as he is prosecuted to the fullest extent, thats all I care about.
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| Posted 6/22/11 5:58 PM |
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Teachergal
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Personally, I do not support the death penalty in any circumstances. I think some the responses on this thread are really rude, particularly the sarcastic ones and the name-calling. No need for that just for disagreeing.
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| Posted 6/22/11 6:06 PM |
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emilylives
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by alli3131
No need to even debate this topic. We do not have the death penalty I'm NYS. The most he will do is life without parole.
Well, to be honest, there's never any "reason" to debate anything. I mean, it's not like if New York did have the death penalty, then our debate would make a difference in this decision. I don't think it should be any less acceptable for New Yorkers to debate the death penalty than Texans just because it's not legal here.
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apwmjc
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
As someone who has gone through something like this recently I'm all for the death penalty. I would love to see the people that hurt my family and this guy get what they deserve. Hopefully life in prison with no parole will be what they get.
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| Posted 6/22/11 8:23 PM |
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by bobby769
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Posted by bobby769
Drug abuse needs to be treated medically, not criminally.
I respectfully disagree. My opinion on this is that taking drugs is a choice, going out into a pharmacy to steal them is a choice, and killing 4 people to obtain them is also a choice and therefore to me (and ppl can disagree) it is criminal and not medical.
He would've gotten the drugs without killing them. That is what they are trained to do, just like bank tellers. Give the goods and get the low-life out of their sight and away from potentially hurting or killing people. HE KILLED QUICK FOR NO REASON!
Drugs make people do crazy things. Things they or anyone they know would never expect from them during sober moments.
Should we kill every drug addict? Or should we kill them only after they commit a crime that oversteps our individual and personal boundaries?
you really have got to be kidding with this???
Lets have a parade for the guy who murdered 4 people, lets make fathers day David Laffer day and lets make sure he gets all the special treatment he deserves
He deserves to die the same way he killed those people, it makes me sick that he will still get to be on this earth even if he is in jail, he is a POS
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| Posted 6/22/11 8:36 PM |
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by Teachergal
Personally, I do not support the death penalty in any circumstances. I think some the responses on this thread are really rude, particularly the sarcastic ones and the name-calling. No need for that just for disagreeing.
ITA. Some of you guys are really nasty!! There is no need to call someone names because they have a differing opinion. 
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| Posted 6/22/11 8:43 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Death Penalty- Pharmacy shooter
Posted by bobby769
Drug abuse needs to be treated medically, not criminally.
I'd like to remind people that the purpose of the Death Penalty is not to act as a punishment, it's meant as a deterent.
If the person can be rehabilitated, they should not be put to death.
Are we talking about a career criminal here? Remember, these were people who some of you had everyday interactions w/. You saw them as people. Have they lost their humanity in your hearts?
Really? You are acting as if he was just arrested for drug possession or something.
The issue here is not drug abuse.
It's murder.
There are millions of drug addicts out there- they don't all kill people to get their drugs.
It's apples and oranges.
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I don't believe in the death penalty because death is too good for pieces of #*$* like this one. He should be made to do hard labor 12 hours a day until he's 80. And the remaining 12 hours should be spent in a dark little box.
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