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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
that link takes me to LIF quote...can you please re-link?
ugh sorry. It was a pdf. I will try to find it on Thomas.
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Ophelia
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
NDAA
Subtitle D--Counterterrorism SEC. 1021. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.
(a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
(c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
(d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
(f) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be `covered persons' for purposes of subsection (b)(2). SEC. 1022. MILITARY CUSTODY FOR FOREIGN AL-QAEDA TERRORISTS.
(a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-
(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1021 who is determined--
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1021(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1028.
(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The President may waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the President submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.
(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
(c) Implementation Procedures-
(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.
(2) ELEMENTS- The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:
(A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made.
(B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States.
(C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing interrogation.
(D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other Government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country.
(E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.
(d) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect the existing criminal enforcement and national security authorities of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or any other domestic law enforcement agency with regard to a covered person, regardless whether such covered person is held in military custody.
(e) Effective Date- This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.
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sultana
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
I have lived in 8 countries including Asia, Europe, and the Middle East. Without meaning to offend anyone one of the countries that has better maternity packages (as stated in the article) has appalling women's rights and was one of the countries I lived in. No where is perfect and Americans are NOT the most hated nor made fun of by far. I am basing this not just on some trips here and there but by actually living overseas. Sadly we are known to trash talk our homeland even when on foreign soil but the first to help everyone ina natural disaster. There are also MANY countries that you would NEVER even be able to have this type of forum for discussion without serious repercussions .
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Ophelia
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by sultana
. Without meaning to offend anyone one of the countries that has better maternity packages (as stated in the article) has appalling women's rights and was one of the countries I lived in.
that was actually my very point.
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hotsauce345
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
ok, I actually just learned that this amendment was passed
“An authorization to use military force, ”a declaration of war, or any similar authority shall not authorize the detention without charge or trial of a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States apprehended in the United States, unless an Act of Congress expressly authorizes such detention.
and found a decent article that breaks it down in plain english.
cutting through the controvercy of indefinite detention
that makes me feel much more at ease.
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casey31
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
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MandJZ
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by casey31
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
The question was what freedoms do you not have that you had on January 19th 2009. This has still not been answered.
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casey31
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
The question was what freedoms do you not have that you had on January 19th 2009. This has still not been answered.
Yes, I did answer it above- socialized medicine- obamacare, more regulations on small businesses (affects employment), religious freedoms.
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MandJZ
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by casey31
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
The question was what freedoms do you not have that you had on January 19th 2009. This has still not been answered.
Yes, I did answer it above- socialized medicine- obamacare, more regulations on small businesses (affects employment), religious freedoms.
How is socialized medicine restricting YOUR freedom? Which specific regulation on small business is making YOU less free? What are Catholic organizations being forced to fund?
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casey31
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
The question was what freedoms do you not have that you had on January 19th 2009. This has still not been answered.
Yes, I did answer it above- socialized medicine- obamacare, more regulations on small businesses (affects employment), religious freedoms.
How is socialized medicine restricting YOUR freedom? Which specific regulation on small business is making YOU less free? What are Catholic organizations being forced to fund?
Government intervention in the form of obamacare and other regulations put a burden on small businesses- in turn, I see how they are less inclined to hire- that could affect anyone's employment security. Government intervention is requiring Catholic organizations to fund birth control as part of their medical plans.
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Posted 1/11/13 1:57 PM |
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MandJZ
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by casey31
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
The question was what freedoms do you not have that you had on January 19th 2009. This has still not been answered.
Yes, I did answer it above- socialized medicine- obamacare, more regulations on small businesses (affects employment), religious freedoms.
How is socialized medicine restricting YOUR freedom? Which specific regulation on small business is making YOU less free? What are Catholic organizations being forced to fund?
Government intervention in the form of obamacare and other regulations put a burden on small businesses- in turn, I see how they are less inclined to hire- that could affect anyone's employment security. Government intervention is requiring Catholic organizations to fund birth control as part of their medical plans.
Again, none of this has informed me as to how freedoms of any individual are being restricted.
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casey31
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
The question was what freedoms do you not have that you had on January 19th 2009. This has still not been answered.
Yes, I did answer it above- socialized medicine- obamacare, more regulations on small businesses (affects employment), religious freedoms.
How is socialized medicine restricting YOUR freedom? Which specific regulation on small business is making YOU less free? What are Catholic organizations being forced to fund?
Government intervention in the form of obamacare and other regulations put a burden on small businesses- in turn, I see how they are less inclined to hire- that could affect anyone's employment security. Government intervention is requiring Catholic organizations to fund birth control as part of their medical plans.
Again, none of this has informed me as to how freedoms of any individual are being restricted.
I don't understand- I am an American citizen and government is intervening in a way that could jeopardize my job security? That's a restriction! The government is stating that a private entity such as a Catholic hospital MUST offer birth control to employees- that's a restriction on ALL of us-our right to religious freedom. Basically, I was just stating that the Obama administration has eliminated some of our capitalist freedoms.
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Ophelia
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by casey31
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
all of this is someone's wrong interpretation of what they think any of that legistlation says. I hope before you get afraid you actually read the stuff and get educated.
you are also confusing Freedoms with other things that are not actually protected freedoms.
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MandJZ
Time for Baby #2!
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by casey31
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
The question was what freedoms do you not have that you had on January 19th 2009. This has still not been answered.
Yes, I did answer it above- socialized medicine- obamacare, more regulations on small businesses (affects employment), religious freedoms.
How is socialized medicine restricting YOUR freedom? Which specific regulation on small business is making YOU less free? What are Catholic organizations being forced to fund?
Government intervention in the form of obamacare and other regulations put a burden on small businesses- in turn, I see how they are less inclined to hire- that could affect anyone's employment security. Government intervention is requiring Catholic organizations to fund birth control as part of their medical plans.
Again, none of this has informed me as to how freedoms of any individual are being restricted.
I don't understand- I am an American citizen and government is intervening in a way that could jeopardize my job security? That's a restriction! The government is stating that a private entity such as a Catholic hospital MUST offer birth control to employees- that's a restriction on ALL of us-our right to religious freedom. Basically, I was just stating that the Obama administration has eliminated some of our capitalist freedoms.
1. Socialized medicine (which Obamacare is actually not, really) doesn't restrict freedom, it provides it. Plus, there are already socialized medical programs such as Medicare and Medicaid in this country. SO this is not a 'freedom' that once was and is now gone.
2. You do not have the FREEDOM to have a job. You have the freedom to pursue whatever opportunities you want to, but there is no RIGHT to a job. I love how people are SO up in arms about the government helping with unemployment (which would be INTERVENING) but so against the government helping with medical care and insurance for all.
3. What if MY religion states that everyone should have medical care? Isn't it then against MY religious beliefs if this isn't provided. Religious freedom means you get to practice your religion without interference but it ALSO means so does everyone else. Beyond that, providing health insurance options to employees that may INCLUDE birth control doesn't at all take away from someone's INDIVIDUAL right to practice their religion. Corporations aren't people. They don't (or shouldn't) have rights.
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MandJZ
Time for Baby #2!
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by casey31
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
all of this is someone's wrong interpretation of what they think any of that legistlation says. I hope before you get afraid you actually read the stuff and get educated.
you are also confusing Freedoms with other things that are not actually protected freedoms.
Yeah. What she said. Better than I did.
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casey31
Mommy of 3!
Member since 5/05 2967 total posts
Name: Mommy to two boys and a girl
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by casey31
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
all of this is someone's wrong interpretation of what they think any of that legistlation says. I hope before you get afraid you actually read the stuff and get educated.
you are also confusing Freedoms with other things that are not actually protected freedoms.
Please don't tell me to "get educated" because we disagree on politics. I believe in American exceptionalism and that is my right. I believe that Obama has threatened some of our freedoms as American citizens- that is my opinion. If you disagree, please do so nicely without telling me to "get educated."
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ElizaRags35
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by casey31
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by casey31
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
The question was what freedoms do you not have that you had on January 19th 2009. This has still not been answered.
Yes, I did answer it above- socialized medicine- obamacare, more regulations on small businesses (affects employment), religious freedoms.
How is socialized medicine restricting YOUR freedom? Which specific regulation on small business is making YOU less free? What are Catholic organizations being forced to fund?
Government intervention in the form of obamacare and other regulations put a burden on small businesses- in turn, I see how they are less inclined to hire- that could affect anyone's employment security. Government intervention is requiring Catholic organizations to fund birth control as part of their medical plans.
Again, none of this has informed me as to how freedoms of any individual are being restricted.
I don't understand- I am an American citizen and government is intervening in a way that could jeopardize my job security? That's a restriction! The government is stating that a private entity such as a Catholic hospital MUST offer birth control to employees- that's a restriction on ALL of us-our right to religious freedom. Basically, I was just stating that the Obama administration has eliminated some of our capitalist freedoms.
And the religious freedom of those employees of Catholic hospitals who do want birth control? Last I checked, there are plenty of Catholic women on birth control. Those who want it should be able to have it offered to them like everyone else. If you don't want birth control, don't take it! IMO, the decision should be between the woman and her doctor, not the woman and her employer.
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hotsauce345
my love, my life, my son
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Name: Melody
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by MandJZ
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by casey31
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
all of this is someone's wrong interpretation of what they think any of that legistlation says. I hope before you get afraid you actually read the stuff and get educated.
you are also confusing Freedoms with other things that are not actually protected freedoms.
Yeah. What she said. Better than I did.
ok...so maybe the poster is guilty of using the word freedom when a better word would be livelihood. Either way it's an opinion and either way the sentiment doesn't agree with your views...I don't think drilling her is going to change that.
Obamacare providing a freedom = debatable opinion
We have yet to even really SEE how this affects us, so it's all just opinion right now.
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Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
Member since 5/06 23378 total posts
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by casey31
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by casey31
Posted by JenniferEver
Oh here we go.
Please tell me the freedoms you had on Jan 19 2009 that you lack today.
We are moving to more socialized medicine, there are many more regulations on private industries, Catholic organizations are forced to fund something they don't believed in- overall, under Obama we are losing the freedoms of capitalism.
Captalism is flawed of course. There are many things flawed in this country- it is not a perfect system. However, democracy and capitalism are what has made us THE GREATEST nation is the world- and I say that proudly as a child of an immigrant.
As I said previously, more people come to American than to any other nation. I am not ashamed of my feelings of American exceptionalism. We have problems of our own of course, but overall we offer the most freedom to our citizens and we offer so much aid to other countries. I am saddened to hear anti-American sentiment.
all of this is someone's wrong interpretation of what they think any of that legistlation says. I hope before you get afraid you actually read the stuff and get educated.
you are also confusing Freedoms with other things that are not actually protected freedoms.
Please don't tell me to "get educated" because we disagree on politics. I believe in American exceptionalism and that is my right. I believe that Obama has threatened some of our freedoms as American citizens- that is my opinion. If you disagree, please do so nicely without telling me to "get educated."
I said to read the stuff. not get educated. You could be highly educated. I have no idea.
I don't care about your politics.
the act provides for religious exemptions.
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Posted 1/11/13 2:19 PM |
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MandJZ
Time for Baby #2!
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
I posted a whole thing above. And I'm too lazy to restate it so...yeah. My answer to everything is in that post.
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Posted 1/11/13 2:19 PM |
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McSullivan
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by MandJZ 3. What if MY religion states that everyone should have medical care? Isn't it then against MY religious beliefs if this isn't provided. Religious freedom means you get to practice your religion without interference but it ALSO means so does everyone else. Beyond that, providing health insurance options to employees that may INCLUDE birth control doesn't at all take away from someone's INDIVIDUAL right to practice their religion. Corporations aren't people. They don't (or shouldn't) have rights.
Here's a question - why MUST birth control be covered under health insurance? I'm sincerely curious.
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Posted 1/11/13 2:22 PM |
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Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
fact sheet
FACT SHEET: Women’s Preventive Services and Religious Institutions Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, most health insurance plans will cover women’s preventive services, including contraception, without charging a co-pay or deductible beginning in August, 2012. This new law will save money for millions of Americans and ensure Americans nationwide get the high-quality care they need to stay healthy.
Today, President Obama will announce that his Administration will implement a policy that accommodates religious liberty while protecting the health of women. Today, nearly 99 percent of all women have used contraception at some point in their lives, but more than half of all women between the ages of 18-34 struggle to afford it.
Under the new policy to be announced today, women will have free preventive care that includes contraceptive services no matter where she works. The policy also ensures that if a woman works for a religious employer with objections to providing contraceptive services as part of its health plan, the religious employer will not be required to provide, pay for or refer for contraception coverage, but her insurance company will be required to directly offer her contraceptive care free of charge.
The new policy ensures women can get contraception without paying a co-pay and fully accomodates important concerns raised by religious groups by ensuring that objecting non-profit religious employers will not have to provide contraceptive coverage or refer women to organizations that provide contraception. Background on this policy is included below:
• Under Section 2713 of the Affordable Care Act, the Administration adopted new guidelines that will require most private health plans to cover preventive services for women without charging a co-pay starting on August 1, 2012. These preventive services include well women visits, domestic violence screening, and contraception, and all were recommended to the Secretary of Health and Human Services by the independent Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Science.
• Today, the Obama Administration will publish final rules in the Federal Register that:
o Exempts churches, other houses of worship, and similar organizations from covering contraception on the basis of their religious objections.
o Establishes a one-year transition period for religious organizations while this policy is being implemented.
• The President will also announce that his Administration will propose and finalize a new regulation during this transition year to address the religious objections of the non-exempted non-profit religious organizations. The new regulation will require insurance companies to cover contraception if the religious organization chooses not to. Under the policy:
o Religious organizations will not have to provide contraceptive coverage or refer their employees to organizations that provide contraception.
o Religious organizations will not be required to subsidize the cost of contraception.
o Contraception coverage will be offered to women by their employers’ insurance companies directly, with no role for religious employers who oppose contraception.
o Insurance companies will be required to provide contraception coverage to these women free of charge.
o The new policy does not affect existing state requirements concerning contraception coverage.
Covering contraception is cost neutral since it saves money by keeping women healthy and preventing spending on other health services. For example, there was no increase in premiums when contraception was added to the Federal Employees Health Benefit System and required of non-religious employers in Hawaii. One study found that covering contraception saved employees $97 per year, per employee.
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Posted 1/11/13 2:22 PM |
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MandJZ
Time for Baby #2!
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by MandJZ 3. What if MY religion states that everyone should have medical care? Isn't it then against MY religious beliefs if this isn't provided. Religious freedom means you get to practice your religion without interference but it ALSO means so does everyone else. Beyond that, providing health insurance options to employees that may INCLUDE birth control doesn't at all take away from someone's INDIVIDUAL right to practice their religion. Corporations aren't people. They don't (or shouldn't) have rights.
Here's a question - why MUST birth control be covered under health insurance? I'm sincerely curious.
Because it's a health issue. HEALTH insurance. HEALTH issue.
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Posted 1/11/13 2:24 PM |
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Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
I really and truly honestly do not care if you disagree with what the HCRA says. but if you base your arguments on something that is actually not true, I am going to point that out. sorry if that offends.
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Posted 1/11/13 2:24 PM |
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ElizaRags35
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Re: "America is not the greatest country in the world"
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by MandJZ 3. What if MY religion states that everyone should have medical care? Isn't it then against MY religious beliefs if this isn't provided. Religious freedom means you get to practice your religion without interference but it ALSO means so does everyone else. Beyond that, providing health insurance options to employees that may INCLUDE birth control doesn't at all take away from someone's INDIVIDUAL right to practice their religion. Corporations aren't people. They don't (or shouldn't) have rights.
Here's a question - why MUST birth control be covered under health insurance? I'm sincerely curious.
Isn't it a medication? Isn't it used for reasons other than to prevent pregnancy such as to control acne, regulate periods, controlling endometriosis?
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Posted 1/11/13 2:26 PM |
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