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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
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You can have complications from a cold. It happens, but for the most part 95% of the time you are immune and it is a harmless childhood disease.
I too had very few spots, so it has crossed my mind that I could contract it again.
I thought it was required but a mother told me it wasn't. I will check it out when DS is of age if he does not contract it by then.
ETS: I found this on a site about chickenpox:
A mild case of chickenpox produces immunity to varicella as does a moderate or severe case. A child with a reliable history of chickenpox does not need to receive varicella vaccine. However, if there is any doubt that the mild illness really was chickenpox, it is best to vaccinate the child. There is no harm in vaccinating a child who is already immune.
I can tell you that having a light dose can mean you are still not immune. Apparently I have no idea on the numbers (sorry not an MD) but I can tell you that I have 2 friends who had light cases and after titers were found to not be immune.
As far as comparing to a cold I'm not a doctor or a nurse - so maybe they can chime in but I don't think it isn't quite the same - most people who have complications for a common cold do so b.c they didn't take care of themselves (i.e. had a cough that turned into a bacterial infection and they put off going to the doctor so they ended up with pneumonia.) - whereas the people who have complications from CP are often healthy in other ways (whenever you have immunosuppred people anything they get will be worse I'm speaking about the average healthy person). I can say that the child I knew was very healthy with no pre-existing conditions who had severe issues.
Actually what I'm curious to hear about are some real life experiences from people who see these things regularly (nurses in the hospital, peds etc).
I honestly thought the same as you with mild cases. I have a doctor appointment this week and I am going ask about it. But maybe your friends didn't actually have chickenpox? I am really curious about this.
And as for my cold vs cp, I was simply pointing out that you can have complications from anything. And I would much prefer my child having chickenpox when the chance of having complications is much less, then when they are teenagers for adults. That is WHY I want them to get chickenpox for better immunization then the vaccination offers.
I got chicken pox at 16.. i never had a light case... I was next to my cousin at 5 when she had chicken pox- I was in school w/ people that had it- I never, ever got it- not until 16.... and it was terrible..
so just b/c you don't vaccinate- that doesn't mean your child is going to get chicken pox at a young age and get a mild case.
This is why I originally said if DS does not get it by a certain age I will be giving him the vaccination. I don't want him to get CP as a teenager or an adult.
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by Ang-Rich
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I don't like the vaccine because it is a harmless childhood illness, and when contracted naturally you are protected for life.
I had chicken pox in elementary school (I must have been in kindergarten or first grade) and was told that because I was so young when I had it that I could be at risk for shingles.
Can you share where you got your information because I'd love to read it...and I mean that seriously...not to go against what you are saying.
I had the chicken pox when I was 2.....then I got shingles when I was 10. I still have scars from it. It was HORRIBLE......itchy and painful!!!!!!
My twins got the vaccine.....
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
I got the chicken pox at 7 or 8 and then I also got Shingles at 19. I have to say it was no fun having shingles in college. Thankfully I do not have any scars.
That said - I gave both of my DC the vaccine. My DH has never had the chicken pox and was tested for immunity and is not immune so they all got the vaccine.
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katiebug
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
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I don't like the vaccine because it is a harmless childhood illness, and when contracted naturally you are protected for life.
I had chicken pox in elementary school (I must have been in kindergarten or first grade) and was told that because I was so young when I had it that I could be at risk for shingles.
Can you share where you got your information because I'd love to read it...and I mean that seriously...not to go against what you are saying.
I had the chicken pox when I was 2.....then I got shingles when I was 10. I still have scars from it. It was HORRIBLE......itchy and painful!!!!!!
My twins got the vaccine.....
Interesting. This is the exact reason why I don't want to vaccinate against chickenpox.
You can still get shingles if you have the vaccination CP vaccine. And many people believe there is going to be a huge outbreak in shingles because of the CP vaccine.
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
From our schools website:
Health Services / Immunizations
State law requires that each student be fully immunized against polio, measles, rubella (German measles), diphtheria, and mumps upon admission to school. A Certificate of Immunization issued by a physician or clinic is needed as proof. If the child has had the disease, or the immunization is medically contraindicated, this must be stated by the physician. Measles and mumps and varicella immunizations must be given no more than 4 days before the first birthday. Students born on or after 1/1/1993, and students who enroll in the 7th grade must be immunized against Hepatitis B. Any student born after 1/1/1994 who is entering 6th grade must be immunized against varicella, or provide medical documentation of having had the chickenpox disease. Disease history (physician's note) for rubella is not acceptable for certification - the only alternative to rubella vaccine is a blood test to show presence of rubella antibodies. Any child entering school (grades K-12) will be required to have two doses of measles vaccine. Consistent with New York State law students who fail to meet the minimum requirements will be barred from attending school.
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by katiebug
Posted by leighdvm
Posted by Ang-Rich
Posted by katiebug
I don't like the vaccine because it is a harmless childhood illness, and when contracted naturally you are protected for life.
I had chicken pox in elementary school (I must have been in kindergarten or first grade) and was told that because I was so young when I had it that I could be at risk for shingles.
Can you share where you got your information because I'd love to read it...and I mean that seriously...not to go against what you are saying.
I had the chicken pox when I was 2.....then I got shingles when I was 10. I still have scars from it. It was HORRIBLE......itchy and painful!!!!!!
My twins got the vaccine.....
Interesting. This is the exact reason why I don't want to vaccinate against chickenpox.
You can still get shingles if you have the vaccination CP vaccine. And many people believe there is going to be a huge outbreak in shingles because of the CP vaccine.
im confused. she didnt say that SHE got the vaccine. she got CP because (im assuming) she never had the vaccine. i do not believe there was a vaccine when we were children. when you get CP, it is possible to get shingles later in life. therefore, if she had gotten the CP vaccine as a child and not gotten CP, it is likely they she would NOT have gotten shingles ... right? or am I missing something?
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by maymama
Posted by katiebug
Posted by leighdvm
Posted by Ang-Rich
Posted by katiebug
I don't like the vaccine because it is a harmless childhood illness, and when contracted naturally you are protected for life.
I had chicken pox in elementary school (I must have been in kindergarten or first grade) and was told that because I was so young when I had it that I could be at risk for shingles.
Can you share where you got your information because I'd love to read it...and I mean that seriously...not to go against what you are saying.
I had the chicken pox when I was 2.....then I got shingles when I was 10. I still have scars from it. It was HORRIBLE......itchy and painful!!!!!!
My twins got the vaccine.....
Interesting. This is the exact reason why I don't want to vaccinate against chickenpox.
You can still get shingles if you have the vaccination CP vaccine. And many people believe there is going to be a huge outbreak in shingles because of the CP vaccine.
im confused. she didnt say that SHE got the vaccine. she got CP because (im assuming) she never had the vaccine. i do not believe there was a vaccine when we were children. when you get CP, it is possible to get shingles later in life. therefore, if she had gotten the CP vaccine as a child and not gotten CP, it is likely they she would NOT have gotten shingles ... right? or am I missing something?
I did NOT receive the vaccine as a child -- which I believe is why I got shingles as well......
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by leighdvm
Posted by maymama
Posted by katiebug
Posted by leighdvm
Posted by Ang-Rich
Posted by katiebug
I don't like the vaccine because it is a harmless childhood illness, and when contracted naturally you are protected for life.
I had chicken pox in elementary school (I must have been in kindergarten or first grade) and was told that because I was so young when I had it that I could be at risk for shingles.
Can you share where you got your information because I'd love to read it...and I mean that seriously...not to go against what you are saying.
I had the chicken pox when I was 2.....then I got shingles when I was 10. I still have scars from it. It was HORRIBLE......itchy and painful!!!!!!
My twins got the vaccine.....
Interesting. This is the exact reason why I don't want to vaccinate against chickenpox.
You can still get shingles if you have the vaccination CP vaccine. And many people believe there is going to be a huge outbreak in shingles because of the CP vaccine.
im confused. she didnt say that SHE got the vaccine. she got CP because (im assuming) she never had the vaccine. i do not believe there was a vaccine when we were children. when you get CP, it is possible to get shingles later in life. therefore, if she had gotten the CP vaccine as a child and not gotten CP, it is likely they she would NOT have gotten shingles ... right? or am I missing something?
I did NOT receive the vaccine as a child -- which I believe is why I got shingles as well......
exactly, thats what i thought 
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
I have heard from people (when DS had chicken pox - it was a big conversation topic since due to the vaccine - not as many people are getting the actual chicken pox) that many people who are getting the vaccines are getting the shingles at younger ages (jr high and high school) since the vaccine is making their bodies think they had a mild case of chicken pox.
ETA - Just wanted to add that I did no research on the vaccine since it was a non-issue - DS didn't need it - so my comments are all hearsay - from numerous people (possibly just trying to make me feel better when we were dealing with the pox at home).
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
My BFF is a ped and she highly recommends the vaccine. I may have misunderstood since we were talking about other vaccines as well, but I thought she told me that she would rather give the vaccine so that there's no chance of getting shingles later on, than to get chicken pox and be susceptible to getting shingles when you're older since it's very painful.
She said once you have the chicken pox, the virus is always in your body. You can then develop shingles later on, as mentioned before.
But I THOUGHT she said that by getting the vaccine, you don't get CP so therefore can't develop shingles. I will have to double check.
I'm on the fence about it.
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
i think that even if there is a slight chance that DS could get shingles with the CP vaccine, I would rather he have shingles without CP than shingles with CP if he doesnt get the vaccine.
nothing is perfect. if we can protect our children from one of the two versus them likely getting both, wouldnt you do it? i would.
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Sassyz75
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
I found this on dr. greene's website (not sure who dr. greene is...)
When deciding upon any immunization, it is wise to consider both the risks versus benefits of the vaccine and the risks versus benefits of not receiving the vaccine. Children who do not get the vaccine are likely to develop chickenpox. This common viral infection is usually mild and not life-threatening. Although these children may be miserable for several days, and miss a week of school or day-care (stranding parents at home), they will likely recover from the 250-500 itchy blisters with nothing more to show for it than a few small scars. Each year, however, about 200,000 of the millions of people who contract chickenpox become seriously ill with complications such as pneumonia or encephalitis (inflammation of the brain). About 2,000 of these die. Those who are at higher risk for complications include those with an already weak immune system, those with eczema or other skin conditions, adolescents, and adults.
Adults who get chicken pox usually have a much more severe, prolonged case than children. Pneumonia is common. The rate of hospitalization for chickenpox is almost 900% higher in adults than in children. Adults are more than 20 times more likely to die from this disease. Pregnant women face the additional fear of serious, even fatal, damage to the baby developing within. Clearly it is beneficial to prevent chickenpox in adults.
In the recent past, the primary benefit of getting chickenpox as a child was the likelihood of attaining lifetime immunity. While 10-20% of people who had had chickenpox would eventually develop shingles (a condition characterized by numbness, itching, or severe pain that lasts for 2-3 weeks), most would not get chickenpox again. This may now be changing in areas where the chickenpox vaccine is common. In the past, multiple re-exposures helped to keep people's immunity high. Since the vaccine is now standard in the United States, the frequency of the natural disease should decline. Those who have had chickenpox as children will not be re-exposed as often, if at all. Their immunity may wane over time, making shingles and adult chickenpox even more common than they are now.
To date, those who have received the vaccine have a much lower incidence of shingles than those who actually had chickenpox over the same time period. Those who receive the vaccine also have a dramatically decreased risk of scarring. Finally, studies so far have found the chickenpox vaccine to be highly effective in preventing moderate and severe chickenpox in children (Redbook: Report of the Committee on Infectious Diseases, 2009).
The other major benefit of the vaccine is an economic one. The vaccine reduces the costs related to the disease, including the costs of missed work, school, and child-care. This economic factor is a major force in the drive for universal immunization in the United States.
The American Academy Pediatrics currently recommends two doses of the chickenpox vaccine. Typically, the first dose of the vaccine is given at 12 to 15 months of age and the second at 4 to 6 years of age (at school entry). Older children who have not received two doses of the vaccine can receive their catch up shots 28 days apart.
What are the risks of the vaccine?
Read more: http://www.drgreene.com/qa/chickenpox-vaccine#ixzz1Bz7KfYzx
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by Sassyz75
I found this on dr. greene's website (not sure who dr. greene is...)
When deciding upon any immunization, it is wise to consider both the risks versus benefits of the vaccine and the risks versus benefits of not receiving the vaccine. Children who do not get the vaccine are likely to develop chickenpox. This common viral infection is usually mild and not life-threatening. Although these children may be miserable for several days, and miss a week of school or day-care (stranding parents at home), they will likely recover from the 250-500 itchy blisters with nothing more to show for it than a few small scars. Each year, however, about 200,000 of the millions of people who contract chickenpox become seriously ill with complications such as pneumonia or encephalitis (inflammation of the brain). About 2,000 of these die. Those who are at higher risk for complications include those with an already weak immune system, those with eczema or other skin conditions, adolescents, and adults.
Adults who get chicken pox usually have a much more severe, prolonged case than children. Pneumonia is common. The rate of hospitalization for chickenpox is almost 900% higher in adults than in children. Adults are more than 20 times more likely to die from this disease. Pregnant women face the additional fear of serious, even fatal, damage to the baby developing within. Clearly it is beneficial to prevent chickenpox in adults.
In the recent past, the primary benefit of getting chickenpox as a child was the likelihood of attaining lifetime immunity. While 10-20% of people who had had chickenpox would eventually develop shingles (a condition characterized by numbness, itching, or severe pain that lasts for 2-3 weeks), most would not get chickenpox again. This may now be changing in areas where the chickenpox vaccine is common. In the past, multiple re-exposures helped to keep people's immunity high. Since the vaccine is now standard in the United States, the frequency of the natural disease should decline. Those who have had chickenpox as children will not be re-exposed as often, if at all. Their immunity may wane over time, making shingles and adult chickenpox even more common than they are now.
To date, those who have received the vaccine have a much lower incidence of shingles than those who actually had chickenpox over the same time period. Those who receive the vaccine also have a dramatically decreased risk of scarring. Finally, studies so far have found the chickenpox vaccine to be highly effective in preventing moderate and severe chickenpox in children (Redbook: Report of the Committee on Infectious Diseases, 2009).
The other major benefit of the vaccine is an economic one. The vaccine reduces the costs related to the disease, including the costs of missed work, school, and child-care. This economic factor is a major force in the drive for universal immunization in the United States.
The American Academy Pediatrics currently recommends two doses of the chickenpox vaccine. Typically, the first dose of the vaccine is given at 12 to 15 months of age and the second at 4 to 6 years of age (at school entry). Older children who have not received two doses of the vaccine can receive their catch up shots 28 days apart.
What are the risks of the vaccine?
Read more: http://www.drgreene.com/qa/chickenpox-vaccine#ixzz1Bz7KfYzx
"In the recent past, the primary benefit of getting chickenpox as a child was the likelihood of attaining lifetime immunity. While 10-20% of people who had had chickenpox would eventually develop shingles (a condition characterized by numbness, itching, or severe pain that lasts for 2-3 weeks), most would not get chickenpox again. This may now be changing in areas where the chickenpox vaccine is common. In the past, multiple re-exposures helped to keep people's immunity high. Since the vaccine is now standard in the United States, the frequency of the natural disease should decline. Those who have had chickenpox as children will not be re-exposed as often, if at all. Their immunity may wane over time, making shingles and adult chickenpox even more common than they are now."
This is part of what I am talking about. I have more material on it, and I have spoken to doctors about it. There are many other aspects of the vaccine I don't like.
For ME personally, I want the natural immunity.
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katiebug
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by maymama
Posted by leighdvm
Posted by maymama
Posted by katiebug
Posted by leighdvm
Posted by Ang-Rich
Posted by katiebug
I don't like the vaccine because it is a harmless childhood illness, and when contracted naturally you are protected for life.
I had chicken pox in elementary school (I must have been in kindergarten or first grade) and was told that because I was so young when I had it that I could be at risk for shingles.
Can you share where you got your information because I'd love to read it...and I mean that seriously...not to go against what you are saying.
I had the chicken pox when I was 2.....then I got shingles when I was 10. I still have scars from it. It was HORRIBLE......itchy and painful!!!!!!
My twins got the vaccine.....
Interesting. This is the exact reason why I don't want to vaccinate against chickenpox.
You can still get shingles if you have the vaccination CP vaccine. And many people believe there is going to be a huge outbreak in shingles because of the CP vaccine.
im confused. she didnt say that SHE got the vaccine. she got CP because (im assuming) she never had the vaccine. i do not believe there was a vaccine when we were children. when you get CP, it is possible to get shingles later in life. therefore, if she had gotten the CP vaccine as a child and not gotten CP, it is likely they she would NOT have gotten shingles ... right? or am I missing something?
I did NOT receive the vaccine as a child -- which I believe is why I got shingles as well......
exactly, thats what i thought
Yes you CAN still get shingles. You MAY also be able to contract CP as an adult.
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by katiebug
Posted by maymama
Posted by leighdvm
Posted by maymama
Posted by katiebug
Posted by leighdvm
Posted by Ang-Rich
Posted by katiebug
I don't like the vaccine because it is a harmless childhood illness, and when contracted naturally you are protected for life.
I had chicken pox in elementary school (I must have been in kindergarten or first grade) and was told that because I was so young when I had it that I could be at risk for shingles.
Can you share where you got your information because I'd love to read it...and I mean that seriously...not to go against what you are saying.
I had the chicken pox when I was 2.....then I got shingles when I was 10. I still have scars from it. It was HORRIBLE......itchy and painful!!!!!!
My twins got the vaccine.....
Interesting. This is the exact reason why I don't want to vaccinate against chickenpox.
You can still get shingles if you have the vaccination CP vaccine. And many people believe there is going to be a huge outbreak in shingles because of the CP vaccine.
im confused. she didnt say that SHE got the vaccine. she got CP because (im assuming) she never had the vaccine. i do not believe there was a vaccine when we were children. when you get CP, it is possible to get shingles later in life. therefore, if she had gotten the CP vaccine as a child and not gotten CP, it is likely they she would NOT have gotten shingles ... right? or am I missing something?
I did NOT receive the vaccine as a child -- which I believe is why I got shingles as well......
exactly, thats what i thought
Yes you CAN still get shingles. You MAY also be able to contract CP as an adult.
There is a HIGHER risk of getting shingles if you have actually had chicken pox vs. if you only got the vaccine. Hence why so many people here, including myself, have indicated that we have gotten the shingles (fairly young too) after actually having had the chicken pox when we were younger.
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by maymama
if you have had CP, you are susceptible to shingles AT ANY AGE.
CP is a virus. It is with you once you have had it. Shingles is that virus, expressed in a different way.
Two of my siblings have had CP and have also had shingles.
I had shingles when I was pregnant with DS. Horrible, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy!
And I had a severe case of CP as a child.
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katiebug
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
There is a HIGHER risk of getting shingles if you have actually had chicken pox vs. if you only got the vaccine. Hence why so many people here, including myself, have indicated that we have gotten the shingles (fairly young too) after actually having had the chicken pox when we were younger.
This is true to a certain extent. They think there will be a massive outbreak of Shingles because of the vaccination. So yes, it may be easier to contract shingles if you have had CP before the vaccination was available. But now there is the vaccination there will be MORE cases of Shingles.
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katiebug
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Here is a quote from a website about the vaccine:
"Dr.Goldman's analysis in IJT indicates that effectiveness of the chickenpox vaccine itself is also dependent on natural boosting, so that as chickenpox declines, so does the effectiveness of the vaccine. "The principal reason that vaccinees in Japan maintained high levels of immunity 20 years following vaccination was that only 1 in 5 (or 20%) of Japanese children were vaccinated," he said. "So those vaccinated received immunologic boosting from contact with children with natural chickenpox. But the universal varicella vaccination program in the U.S. will nearly eradicate this natural boosting mechanism and will leave our population vulnerable to shingles epidemics."
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by katiebug
My twins got the vaccine.....
Interesting. This is the exact reason why I don't want to vaccinate against chickenpox.
You can still get shingles if you have the vaccination CP vaccine. And many people believe there is going to be a huge outbreak in shingles because of the CP vaccine.
I'm just curious - not looking to debate the good and bads of the vaccine just curious- why there would be a huge outbreak in shingles b/c of the vaccine.
You can get shingles if you have CP the virus - so I guess it isn't a stretch to say if you get the vaccine you could get shingles as well (I don't know if that is true - just saying theoretcially) - but why would there be a huge outbreak b/c of it. Most people get shingles b.c the virus is awoken from stress, or other issue so what would make the vaccine subjects more likely to come down with it than someone who got CP from another person?
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by LoveyQ
She said once you have the chicken pox, the virus is always in your body. You can then develop shingles later on, as mentioned before.
But I THOUGHT she said that by getting the vaccine, you don't get CP so therefore can't develop shingles. I will have to double check.
I'm on the fence about it.
This is what I thought.
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katiebug
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by Lillykat
Posted by katiebug
My twins got the vaccine.....
Interesting. This is the exact reason why I don't want to vaccinate against chickenpox.
You can still get shingles if you have the vaccination CP vaccine. And many people believe there is going to be a huge outbreak in shingles because of the CP vaccine.
I'm just curious - not looking to debate the good and bads of the vaccine just curious- why there would be a huge outbreak in shingles b/c of the vaccine.
You can get shingles if you have CP the virus - so I guess it isn't a stretch to say if you get the vaccine you could get shingles as well (I don't know if that is true - just saying theoretcially) - but why would there be a huge outbreak b/c of it. Most people get shingles b.c the virus is awoken from stress, or other issue so what would make the vaccine subjects more likely to come down with it than someone who got CP from another person?
Here is a link from an article I found on line. I have had this discussion with doctors in person, and they have told me the same thing as this article. I have also read a couple of articles in medical journals about this topic.
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by Lillykat
Posted by LoveyQ
She said once you have the chicken pox, the virus is always in your body. You can then develop shingles later on, as mentioned before.
But I THOUGHT she said that by getting the vaccine, you don't get CP so therefore can't develop shingles. I will have to double check.
I'm on the fence about it.
This is what I thought.
The vaccine is a live virus, and lays dormant in your body, just like if you contract it naturally. You are essentially giving the child a low dose of the virus. Therefor shingles can pop up at anytime.
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| Posted 1/24/11 5:51 PM |
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Erica
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
just FYI: there is a vaccine for shingles link to CDC
I only know this b/c my dad was part of the test study group. But you have to be 60 to get it.
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| Posted 1/24/11 6:13 PM |
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Kelly9904
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by katiebug
You can have complications from a cold.
You can have complications from a cut on your finger too...but I am not sure we should compare that to chicken pox or any other disease that we vaccinate against.
Before the vaccination was available there were 145 reported deaths due to chicken pox per year - after the vaccine became available that # is now less than 1/2. While that is a "small" number we shouldn't just discount it as a harmless disease!
And yes when I was a kid and had chicken pox it was the best, I didnt have to go to school, my friends still came to play (to get cp of course) so even though it was uncomfortable it didnt seem so bad as a kid. As a parent I feel differently.
I say to each there own in terms of what you choose to do with your child and in the end you have to do what you are comfortabe with!
Message edited 1/24/2011 6:34:47 PM.
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| Posted 1/24/11 6:26 PM |
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Lillykat
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine spin off
Posted by katiebug
The vaccine is a live virus, and lays dormant in your body, just like if you contract it naturally. You are essentially giving the child a low dose of the virus. Therefor shingles can pop up at anytime.
I'm well aware it is a live vaccine I have had family who was not immune suppressed or stressed who contracted shingles and they had CP not the vaccine- Thank you for that article -I will have to talk with some of my doctor friends and see what they have to say.
This doesn't change my view I did my research but I'm curious about the rate of shingles in vaccine vs those who caught it naturally.
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| Posted 1/24/11 6:33 PM |
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