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ILJ619
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
i am totally shocked by this. she was not the type of person at all. 
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hazeleyes33
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Her husband I feel nothing for. I highly doubt she was smoking and boozing on her own.
that's not fair... I have a relative whose husband was an alcoholic and drug user for years... She's a wonderful person and sometimes you just can't make someone get cleaned...
(luckily he did eventually) but it's NOT fair to pass judgment on her spouse because of her mistakes and problems..
I agree with you BUT.....if he was there with her, HOW did he not know she was too drunk to drive? Could she have drank THAT much AFTER he left her? 
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Her husband I feel nothing for. I highly doubt she was smoking and boozing on her own.
that's not fair... I have a relative whose husband was an alcoholic and drug user for years... She's a wonderful person and sometimes you just can't make someone get cleaned...
(luckily he did eventually) but it's NOT fair to pass judgment on her spouse because of her mistakes and problems..
I am not passing judgment on him for her addiction.
not sure that I am passing judgment on him at all, but I'll play and say that the only thing I hold him responsible for is allowing her to take those children in the car with her in what appears her condition was.
am I making an ASSumption? yes. could I be wrong? sure. did I condemn him? NO.
like I said, I've known many addicts in my life. this, TO ME, smells like something else.
If my assumption makes me a bad person, so be it. I am just going with my gut here.
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mrsej
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
The familly of the three innocent men killed have started speaking to the media and they are understandably angry. There mostly likely will now be a lawsuit and then the attorneys will scour every millisecond of this woman's life and that of her brother/husband.
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hazeleyes33
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Her husband I feel nothing for. I highly doubt she was smoking and boozing on her own.
that's not fair... I have a relative whose husband was an alcoholic and drug user for years... She's a wonderful person and sometimes you just can't make someone get cleaned...
(luckily he did eventually) but it's NOT fair to pass judgment on her spouse because of her mistakes and problems..
I am not passing judgment on him for her addiction.
not sure that I am passing judgment on him at all, but I'll play and say that the only thing I hold him responsible for is allowing her to take those children in the car with her in what appears her condition was.
am I making an ASSumption? yes. could I be wrong? sure. did I condemn him? NO.
like I said, I've known many addicts in my life. this, TO ME, smells like something else.
If my assumption makes me a bad person, so be it. I am just going with my gut here.
ITA with you. I wonder if she could have gotten THAT drunk AFTER she left him-?? And WHY would the brother call the police? I don't know about anyone else but if someone told me they were ill, I would also tell them to pull over but wouldn't think about calling the police.
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twiceasnice
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
No it doesn't add up this is what I get from it:
9:30 they leave together (they are normal, campsite lady spoke to her and husband says she is in good health) he follows her on the road
10-10:30 - Mcdonalds (at this point she was normal according to employees)
Husband doesn't stop and continues. (time is approx because it is atthe beginning of the trip)
10:30- approx 1 - She was seen driving erratic on 17 and 87. Cutting people off and flashing headlights, driving in the grass.
1:00 - She pulls off after the Tappan Zee, calls her brother, Emma speaks to him (on the phone about 10 mintues). She is supposed to stay there but she leaves and leaves her phone.
1:15 - No incoming calls recieved from her cell phone
1:35 - Accident
1:42 - Brother is driving to Tarrytown and calls police (probably because she has answered her phone in 30 mintues).
- When contacted her husband was already home, trip takes approx 3 hours.
What doesn't add up is how the heck her blood level got to .19?
Was she REALLY drunk before Mcdonalds and no one noticed?
How many drinks does it take for that level?
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Her husband I feel nothing for. I highly doubt she was smoking and boozing on her own.
that's not fair... I have a relative whose husband was an alcoholic and drug user for years... She's a wonderful person and sometimes you just can't make someone get cleaned...
(luckily he did eventually) but it's NOT fair to pass judgment on her spouse because of her mistakes and problems..
Maybe you can't make them get clean but you can sure as hell make sure they never have 5 kids in the car with them.
Shame on him for allowing her to take those children with her.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Her husband I feel nothing for. I highly doubt she was smoking and boozing on her own.
that's not fair... I have a relative whose husband was an alcoholic and drug user for years... She's a wonderful person and sometimes you just can't make someone get cleaned...
(luckily he did eventually) but it's NOT fair to pass judgment on her spouse because of her mistakes and problems..
I agree with you BUT.....if he was there with her, HOW did he not know she was too drunk to drive? Could she have drank THAT much AFTER he left her?
from the begining I heard he was on a fishing trip and not with her
even the camp ground lady said she was fine when she left- maybe she was lying? but she hardly seemed like the type to lie
my Dad dated a woman who turned out to be a raging drunk- her drug of choice
MOUTH WASH
this way she got drunk and didn't smell like it
if the brother knew she had a big problem- why we he let her take his kids??????
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hazeleyes33
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by twiceasnice
No it doesn't add up this is what I get from it:
9:30 they leave together (they are normal, campsite lady spoke to her and husband says she is in good health) he follows her on the road
10-10:30 - Mcdonalds (at this point she was normal according to employees)
Husband doesn't stop and continues. (time is approx because it is atthe beginning of the trip)
10:30- approx 1 - She was seen driving erratic on 17 and 87. Cutting people off and flashing headlights, driving in the grass.
1:00 - She pulls off after the Tappan Zee, calls her brother, Emma speaks to him (on the phone about 10 mintues). She is supposed to stay there but she leaves and leaves her phone.
1:15 - No incoming calls recieved from her cell phone
1:35 - Accident
1:42 - Brother is driving to Tarrytown and calls police (probably because she has answered her phone in 30 mintues).
- When contacted her husband was already home, trip takes approx 3 hours.
What doesn't add up is how the heck her blood level got to .19?
Was she REALLY drunk before Mcdonalds and no one noticed?
How many drinks does it take for that level?
EXACTLY what I was saying. HOW do you get THAT drunk in such little time AND be driving with 5 kids?
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babymakes3
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Did she put whiskey in her McCafe?
Whatever it was, it's completely awful. I feel for the survivors and may God rest the victims.
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heathergirl
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Beth
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Her husband I feel nothing for. I highly doubt she was smoking and boozing on her own.
that's not fair... I have a relative whose husband was an alcoholic and drug user for years... She's a wonderful person and sometimes you just can't make someone get cleaned...
(luckily he did eventually) but it's NOT fair to pass judgment on her spouse because of her mistakes and problems..
I agree with you BUT.....if he was there with her, HOW did he not know she was too drunk to drive? Could she have drank THAT much AFTER he left her?
from the begining I heard he was on a fishing trip and not with her
even the camp ground lady said she was fine when she left- maybe she was lying? but she hardly seemed like the type to lie
my Dad dated a woman who turned out to be a raging drunk- her drug of choice
MOUTH WASH
this way she got drunk and didn't smell like it
if the brother knew she had a big problem- why we he let her take his kids??????
Yup. I have heard of using Mouthwash and Nyquil to get drunk. Maybe she was drinking in the car and throwing bottles/cans out on the road, I mean, who knows?
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Her husband I feel nothing for. I highly doubt she was smoking and boozing on her own.
that's not fair... I have a relative whose husband was an alcoholic and drug user for years... She's a wonderful person and sometimes you just can't make someone get cleaned...
(luckily he did eventually) but it's NOT fair to pass judgment on her spouse because of her mistakes and problems..
Maybe you can't make them get clean but you can sure as hell make sure they never have 5 kids in the car with them.
Shame on him for allowing her to take those children with her.
You don't know that she was an addict... You don't know that she had a *problem.* You don't know if maybe this was the FIRST time she took a drink, or smoked etc etc.
You don't know what the husband knew or DIDN'T know...
my relative hid is FOR YEARS.... so yeah, maybe the husband DIDN'T know... I think the ONLY person to *blame* here is that woman for making a terrible decision.
Just because this story broke out, we stop praying for the husband and the brother and that poor little boy? Shame on us!
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hazeleyes33
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Beth
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Her husband I feel nothing for. I highly doubt she was smoking and boozing on her own.
that's not fair... I have a relative whose husband was an alcoholic and drug user for years... She's a wonderful person and sometimes you just can't make someone get cleaned...
(luckily he did eventually) but it's NOT fair to pass judgment on her spouse because of her mistakes and problems..
I agree with you BUT.....if he was there with her, HOW did he not know she was too drunk to drive? Could she have drank THAT much AFTER he left her?
from the begining I heard he was on a fishing trip and not with her
even the camp ground lady said she was fine when she left- maybe she was lying? but she hardly seemed like the type to lie
my Dad dated a woman who turned out to be a raging drunk- her drug of choice
MOUTH WASH
this way she got drunk and didn't smell like it
if the brother knew she had a big problem- why we he let her take his kids??????
And WHAT did the dd say to the dad that made him call the police and get in the car to find them? Why didn't he call the bil to go back and get them?
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Ophelia
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by HeathKernandez
Just because this story broke out, we stop praying for the husband and the brother and that poor little boy? Shame on us!
I never said I stopped praying for anyone. just wanted to make that clear.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Her husband I feel nothing for. I highly doubt she was smoking and boozing on her own.
that's not fair... I have a relative whose husband was an alcoholic and drug user for years... She's a wonderful person and sometimes you just can't make someone get cleaned...
(luckily he did eventually) but it's NOT fair to pass judgment on her spouse because of her mistakes and problems..
I am not passing judgment on him for her addiction.
not sure that I am passing judgment on him at all, but I'll play and say that the only thing I hold him responsible for is allowing her to take those children in the car with her in what appears her condition was.
am I making an ASSumption? yes. could I be wrong? sure. did I condemn him? NO.
like I said, I've known many addicts in my life. this, TO ME, smells like something else.
If my assumption makes me a bad person, so be it. I am just going with my gut here.
no worries.. I commented on that before I saw your other comments... I understand where you were coming from... but the bottom line is, we just don't know WHAT their situation is.
Its funny how quickly this piece of the story changes everyone's opinion of the 'tragedy'
what an awful awful story...
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by HeathKernandez
Just because this story broke out, we stop praying for the husband and the brother and that poor little boy? Shame on us!
I never said I stopped praying for anyone. just wanted to make that clear.
no, I didn't mean you... I see a lot of comments like 'no wonder they wanted a quickie funeral' and the like...
bottom line is... those innocent children died. The parents can be pieces of sh*t for all I care, I still feel sorry for everyone involved.
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nbc188
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by mommy2Alex
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Everyone that saw her said she was driving like a lunatic. If her DH was driving in his car near her, how come he didn't see this?
Something doesn't make sense
In the newspaper, it said she stopped at a McDonald's in Liberty. Which is 10 miles from the campground. If he continued on when she stopped. He didn't follow her very far. I know the area well since my family has property in Parksville (where the campground was). People were reporting her driving down 17 erratically which would have happened after McDonald's.
This is true. I know the area very well also...and I know exactly where that McDonald's is in relation to where they camped.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Her husband I feel nothing for. I highly doubt she was smoking and boozing on her own.
that's not fair... I have a relative whose husband was an alcoholic and drug user for years... She's a wonderful person and sometimes you just can't make someone get cleaned...
(luckily he did eventually) but it's NOT fair to pass judgment on her spouse because of her mistakes and problems..
Maybe you can't make them get clean but you can sure as hell make sure they never have 5 kids in the car with them.
Shame on him for allowing her to take those children with her.
Maybe by staying in his situation and staying passive to her behavior it was what he thought was "protecting" the children. Meaning if he left her, if he fought with her, if his marriage terminated...she would only have more irresponsible access to his children. Maybe if dad wasnt present in this situation they would have been gone along time ago. TBH...hes probably so accustomed to her being this way that he may have not noticed how bad it really got. Though I am a little shocked that another family was involved in this whole mess. At least if he "might" have known she had problem thus far, he could have started a family intervention. Not had her brothers kids with the family. In the end...its alot of guessing of what the family dynamics really looked like.
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I knew it, I was hoping to be wrong, but somehow I just knew something wasn't right with her. There's still so much that's unknown and I hope the whole truth comes out; not for my own curiousity but for the souls of those innocent victims and their families.
This story has made me incredibly angry, deeply saddened, and absolutely disgusted all at the same time.
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Cpt2007
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This whole thing is tragic and heartbreaking. for the family members of those killed, on both sides.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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Did she put whiskey in her McCafe?
d h!
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mrsej
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Her husband I feel nothing for. I highly doubt she was smoking and boozing on her own.
that's not fair... I have a relative whose husband was an alcoholic and drug user for years... She's a wonderful person and sometimes you just can't make someone get cleaned...
(luckily he did eventually) but it's NOT fair to pass judgment on her spouse because of her mistakes and problems..
I am not passing judgment on him for her addiction.
not sure that I am passing judgment on him at all, but I'll play and say that the only thing I hold him responsible for is allowing her to take those children in the car with her in what appears her condition was.
am I making an ASSumption? yes. could I be wrong? sure. did I condemn him? NO.
like I said, I've known many addicts in my life. this, TO ME, smells like something else.
If my assumption makes me a bad person, so be it. I am just going with my gut here.
no worries.. I commented on that before I saw your other comments... I understand where you were coming from... but the bottom line is, we just don't know WHAT their situation is.
Its funny how quickly this piece of the story changes everyone's opinion of the 'tragedy'
what an awful awful story...
I am not embarassed to say that this "piece" as you call it of the story changes my opinion of the tragedy. I thought she was a victim and now she is a murderer. I still pray for those kids and those innocent men. I still question her brother and husband's knowledge of what was going on. Until I know for sure what happened, I will not condemn them. Hopefully everyone is being honest in their statements to police b/c there are other innocent victims (Bastardis/Longo) whose families deserve to know what happened.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
I have to think that her family did not know what was going on - because if they did - how in the world could they let those children in the car with her?
Did the brother and his wife go away with them that weekend? Why were their kids in her car anyway?
We can't really blame the husband and assume that he knew what was going on. I don't have any experience with alcoholics but from what I've heard it seems pretty easy to be completely blind-sided by it.
I don't understand how she, as a mother, could put those little angels in danger like that.
.19 is VERY VERY VERY drunk, that's not a single beer we are talking about here!
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by architectnycity
I can't imagine what the SIL is feeling right now. They held the funeral for her 3 children along side their murderer. I would throw up.
ITA.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by mrsej
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Ophelia
Her husband I feel nothing for. I highly doubt she was smoking and boozing on her own.
that's not fair... I have a relative whose husband was an alcoholic and drug user for years... She's a wonderful person and sometimes you just can't make someone get cleaned...
(luckily he did eventually) but it's NOT fair to pass judgment on her spouse because of her mistakes and problems..
I am not passing judgment on him for her addiction.
not sure that I am passing judgment on him at all, but I'll play and say that the only thing I hold him responsible for is allowing her to take those children in the car with her in what appears her condition was.
am I making an ASSumption? yes. could I be wrong? sure. did I condemn him? NO.
like I said, I've known many addicts in my life. this, TO ME, smells like something else.
If my assumption makes me a bad person, so be it. I am just going with my gut here.
no worries.. I commented on that before I saw your other comments... I understand where you were coming from... but the bottom line is, we just don't know WHAT their situation is.
Its funny how quickly this piece of the story changes everyone's opinion of the 'tragedy'
what an awful awful story...
I am not embarassed to say that this "piece" as you call it of the story changes my opinion of the tragedy. I thought she was a victim and now she is a murderer. I still pray for those kids and those innocent men. I still question her brother and husband's knowledge of what was going on. Until I know for sure what happened, I will not condemn them. Hopefully everyone is being honest in their statements to police b/c there are other innocent victims (Bastardis/Longo) whose families deserve to know what happened.
yeah but I meant the sympathy we feel for the other family members... It just makes me feel bad to see all this *speculation*
I used the wrong word.. I don't mean I think it's FUNNY.. It's INTERESTING...
I understand where people are coming from with their opinions on this, whether or not I agree with them.. Its just interesting how one day we could feel so sorry for this woman, and the next hate her so.
(I put [hate] in italics, b/c it's a very strong word and perhaps doesn't quite fit?)
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