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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by ilt1221
i am totally shocked by this. she was not the type of person at all. 
This must be awful for you. I'm sorry for whatever you are going through 
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
I think it changes opinions so drastically because now it went from a tragedy, perhaps an unforeseen medical emergency or something of the sort, to a preventable act of getting in a car, wasted off your a@@ with FIVE kids in your car and getting on a major roadway for a 3 hour + drive.
Totally preventable and now 3 families have had their lives shattered....
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by FranB
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Its funny how quickly this piece of the story changes everyone's opinion of the 'tragedy'
what an awful awful story...
I think it changes opinions so drastically because now it went from a tragedy, perhaps an unforeseen medical emergency or something of the sort, to a preventable act of getting in a car, wasted off your a@@ with FIVE kids in your car and getting on a major roadway for a 3 hour + drive.
Totally preventable and now 3 families have had their lives shattered....
I know, I agree with you... Its just interesting how quickly something changes, you know?
I remember thinking 'oh that poor woman...' now I think 'how selfish and stupid can you be?'
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Posted by hazeleyes33
And WHY would the brother call the police? I don't know about anyone else but if someone told me they were ill, I would also tell them to pull over but wouldn't think about calling the police.
If my 3 kids were in the car with an ill person that was more then a few minutes away, I would most def. call the police! What if she passed out or needed emergency help. I wouldn't want my kids to be in that situation for any longer then necessary nor would I be certain they would know how to summon help at such young ages.
That part I am not at all upset about.
Her decisions on the other hand, no matter where and how she got drunk, are the upsetting ones. What a tragic ordeal for FOUR families and SEVEN innocent lost lives.
 for all of the survivors
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
I know, my opinion changed as soon as I heard that the report came back and she had a high BAC.
I thought Oh how tragic for all those families. I still think the same thing but now that it could have been prevented, it added so much anger to my feelings.. I just hope that no one knew she was that wasted and allowed her to drive off with 5 kids. Not her family, or campground workers or MacDonald employees...
BTW I edited my post cause I thought I messed up and quoted the wrong person... sorry
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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Her husband I feel nothing for. I highly doubt she was smoking and boozing on her own.
that's not fair... I have a relative whose husband was an alcoholic and drug user for years... She's a wonderful person and sometimes you just can't make someone get cleaned...
(luckily he did eventually) but it's NOT fair to pass judgment on her spouse because of her mistakes and problems..
I am not passing judgment on him for her addiction.
not sure that I am passing judgment on him at all, but I'll play and say that the only thing I hold him responsible for is allowing her to take those children in the car with her in what appears her condition was.
am I making an ASSumption? yes. could I be wrong? sure. did I condemn him? NO.
like I said, I've known many addicts in my life. this, TO ME, smells like something else.
If my assumption makes me a bad person, so be it. I am just going with my gut here.
no worries.. I commented on that before I saw your other comments... I understand where you were coming from... but the bottom line is, we just don't know WHAT their situation is.
Its funny how quickly this piece of the story changes everyone's opinion of the 'tragedy'
what an awful awful story...
I am not embarassed to say that this "piece" as you call it of the story changes my opinion of the tragedy. I thought she was a victim and now she is a murderer. I still pray for those kids and those innocent men. I still question her brother and husband's knowledge of what was going on. Until I know for sure what happened, I will not condemn them. Hopefully everyone is being honest in their statements to police b/c there are other innocent victims (Bastardis/Longo) whose families deserve to know what happened.
yeah but I meant the sympathy we feel for the other family members... It just makes me feel bad to see all this *speculation*
I used the wrong word.. I don't mean I think it's FUNNY.. It's INTERESTING...
I understand where people are coming from with their opinions on this, whether or not I agree with them.. Its just interesting how one day we could feel so sorry for this woman, and the next hate her so.
(I put [hate] in italics, b/c it's a very strong word and perhaps doesn't quite fit?)
Because the facts were not clear at the time of the incident. She was driving a van full of children at two times the legal alcohol limit. That is totally different from what people were believing last week - that she was ill, had a heart attack, etc. I don't think it is interesting that people have a change of heart, but totally normal now that the facts have come out.
ETA: - didn't see your other post; understand what you meant now.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
I would still like to know what his daughter told him that he would decide to call the police. He must have known she would not pull over.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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ETA: - didn't see your other post; understand what you meant now.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by hazeleyes33
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No it doesn't add up this is what I get from it:
9:30 they leave together (they are normal, campsite lady spoke to her and husband says she is in good health) he follows her on the road
10-10:30 - Mcdonalds (at this point she was normal according to employees)
Husband doesn't stop and continues. (time is approx because it is atthe beginning of the trip)
10:30- approx 1 - She was seen driving erratic on 17 and 87. Cutting people off and flashing headlights, driving in the grass.
1:00 - She pulls off after the Tappan Zee, calls her brother, Emma speaks to him (on the phone about 10 mintues). She is supposed to stay there but she leaves and leaves her phone.
1:15 - No incoming calls recieved from her cell phone
1:35 - Accident
1:42 - Brother is driving to Tarrytown and calls police (probably because she has answered her phone in 30 mintues).
- When contacted her husband was already home, trip takes approx 3 hours.
What doesn't add up is how the heck her blood level got to .19?
Was she REALLY drunk before Mcdonalds and no one noticed?
How many drinks does it take for that level?
EXACTLY what I was saying. HOW do you get THAT drunk in such little time AND be driving with 5 kids?
SO I found a police calculator for BAC (blood alcohol concentration)
I entered her as a weight of 140 lbs.
If she drank for 3 hours to get a a BAC of 0.19 she would have to drink 10 beers (or the equivalent).
"0.20 BAC: Feeling dazed/confused or otherwise disoriented. May need help to stand/walk. If you injure yourself you may not feel the pain. Some people have nausea and vomiting at this level. The gag reflex is impaired and you can choke if you do vomit. Blackouts are likely at this level so you may not remember what has happened."
I do not think a person who has this much alcohol in their body would go unnoticed.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by twiceasnice
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No it doesn't add up this is what I get from it:
9:30 they leave together (they are normal, campsite lady spoke to her and husband says she is in good health) he follows her on the road
10-10:30 - Mcdonalds (at this point she was normal according to employees)
Husband doesn't stop and continues. (time is approx because it is atthe beginning of the trip)
10:30- approx 1 - She was seen driving erratic on 17 and 87. Cutting people off and flashing headlights, driving in the grass.
1:00 - She pulls off after the Tappan Zee, calls her brother, Emma speaks to him (on the phone about 10 mintues). She is supposed to stay there but she leaves and leaves her phone.
1:15 - No incoming calls recieved from her cell phone
1:35 - Accident
1:42 - Brother is driving to Tarrytown and calls police (probably because she has answered her phone in 30 mintues).
- When contacted her husband was already home, trip takes approx 3 hours.
What doesn't add up is how the heck her blood level got to .19?
Was she REALLY drunk before Mcdonalds and no one noticed?
How many drinks does it take for that level?
EXACTLY what I was saying. HOW do you get THAT drunk in such little time AND be driving with 5 kids?
SO I found a police calculator for BAC (blood alcohol concentration)
I entered her as a weight of 140 lbs.
If she drank for 3 hours to get a a BAC of 0.19 she would have to drink 10 beers (or the equivalent).
"0.20 BAC: Feeling dazed/confused or otherwise disoriented. May need help to stand/walk. If you injure yourself you may not feel the pain. Some people have nausea and vomiting at this level. The gag reflex is impaired and you can choke if you do vomit. Blackouts are likely at this level so you may not remember what has happened."
I do not think a person who has this much alcohol in their body would go unnoticed.
That is ALOT of alcohol it drink in such LITTLE time. I don't believe it. The pot could still be in her system from awhile so you can't go by that.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by hazeleyes33
I would still like to know what his daughter told him that he would decide to call the police. He must have known she would not pull over.
If she was having trouble seeing, and couldn't tell him where she was, and handed the phone to his daughter, I would be alarmed too. I don't think it's suspicious that he would call state troopers to look for her - she said she didn't know where she was, right? I'd be worried for her and my children.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
The little girls' mom must be dead inside. Imagine being married to your husband and HIS SISTER gets in a crash & kills ALL of your children. Then you find out she was drunk.
I think I would literally divorce him.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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I would still like to know what his daughter told him that he would decide to call the police. He must have known she would not pull over.
If she was having trouble seeing, and couldn't tell him where she was, and handed the phone to his daughter, I would be alarmed too. I don't think it's suspicious that he would call state troopers to look for her - she said she didn't know where she was, right? I'd be worried for her and my children.
Don't know what she said other than she didn't feel well and she couldn't see and then the daughter got on the phone.
What happened to the phone also? How did it end up on the ground?
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by twiceasnice
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by twiceasnice
No it doesn't add up this is what I get from it:
9:30 they leave together (they are normal, campsite lady spoke to her and husband says she is in good health) he follows her on the road
10-10:30 - Mcdonalds (at this point she was normal according to employees)
Husband doesn't stop and continues. (time is approx because it is atthe beginning of the trip)
10:30- approx 1 - She was seen driving erratic on 17 and 87. Cutting people off and flashing headlights, driving in the grass.
1:00 - She pulls off after the Tappan Zee, calls her brother, Emma speaks to him (on the phone about 10 mintues). She is supposed to stay there but she leaves and leaves her phone.
1:15 - No incoming calls recieved from her cell phone
1:35 - Accident
1:42 - Brother is driving to Tarrytown and calls police (probably because she has answered her phone in 30 mintues).
- When contacted her husband was already home, trip takes approx 3 hours.
What doesn't add up is how the heck her blood level got to .19?
Was she REALLY drunk before Mcdonalds and no one noticed?
How many drinks does it take for that level?
EXACTLY what I was saying. HOW do you get THAT drunk in such little time AND be driving with 5 kids?
SO I found a police calculator for BAC (blood alcohol concentration)
I entered her as a weight of 140 lbs.
If she drank for 3 hours to get a a BAC of 0.19 she would have to drink 10 beers (or the equivalent).
"0.20 BAC: Feeling dazed/confused or otherwise disoriented. May need help to stand/walk. If you injure yourself you may not feel the pain. Some people have nausea and vomiting at this level. The gag reflex is impaired and you can choke if you do vomit. Blackouts are likely at this level so you may not remember what has happened."
I do not think a person who has this much alcohol in their body would go unnoticed.
That is ALOT of alcohol it drink in such LITTLE time. I don't believe it. The pot could still be in her system from awhile so you can't go by that.
Yeah I think she was plastered from the night before.
The rate it takes to accummulate that kind of level is ALOT of alcohol in short period of time or ALOT MORE alcohol over a long period of time. If she wasn't drinking in the car, then her BAC was greater then .19 at 9:30 a.m (it drops by .01 every 40 minutes) so it may have been more like .25 at that time. How can that go unnoticed? Someone is lying...
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by hazeleyes33
Don't know what she said other than she didn't feel well and she couldn't see and then the daughter got on the phone.
What happened to the phone also? How did it end up on the ground?
I said that to someone yesterday - how strange that was. They said maybe it was in her lap and she got out of the car for something and it dropped. Although knowing what we know now, doesn't appear to be too hard to lose track of it in that state.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by twiceasnice
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Posted by twiceasnice
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by twiceasnice
No it doesn't add up this is what I get from it:
9:30 they leave together (they are normal, campsite lady spoke to her and husband says she is in good health) he follows her on the road
10-10:30 - Mcdonalds (at this point she was normal according to employees)
Husband doesn't stop and continues. (time is approx because it is atthe beginning of the trip)
10:30- approx 1 - She was seen driving erratic on 17 and 87. Cutting people off and flashing headlights, driving in the grass.
1:00 - She pulls off after the Tappan Zee, calls her brother, Emma speaks to him (on the phone about 10 mintues). She is supposed to stay there but she leaves and leaves her phone.
1:15 - No incoming calls recieved from her cell phone
1:35 - Accident
1:42 - Brother is driving to Tarrytown and calls police (probably because she has answered her phone in 30 mintues).
- When contacted her husband was already home, trip takes approx 3 hours.
What doesn't add up is how the heck her blood level got to .19?
Was she REALLY drunk before Mcdonalds and no one noticed?
How many drinks does it take for that level?
EXACTLY what I was saying. HOW do you get THAT drunk in such little time AND be driving with 5 kids?
SO I found a police calculator for BAC (blood alcohol concentration)
I entered her as a weight of 140 lbs.
If she drank for 3 hours to get a a BAC of 0.19 she would have to drink 10 beers (or the equivalent).
"0.20 BAC: Feeling dazed/confused or otherwise disoriented. May need help to stand/walk. If you injure yourself you may not feel the pain. Some people have nausea and vomiting at this level. The gag reflex is impaired and you can choke if you do vomit. Blackouts are likely at this level so you may not remember what has happened."
I do not think a person who has this much alcohol in their body would go unnoticed.
That is ALOT of alcohol it drink in such LITTLE time. I don't believe it. The pot could still be in her system from awhile so you can't go by that.
Yeah I think she was plastered from the night before.
The rate it takes to accummulate that kind of level is ALOT of alcohol in short period of time or ALOT MORE alcohol over a long period of time. If she wasn't drinking in the car, then her BAC was greater then .19 at 9:30 a.m (it drops by .01 every 40 minutes) so it may have been more like .25 at that time. How can that go unnoticed? Someone is lying...
ABSOLUTELY someone is lying. If she was drinking the night before didn't someone see that? Even just her dh?
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by carolinebn
The little girls' mom must be dead inside. Imagine being married to your husband and HIS SISTER gets in a crash & kills ALL of your children. Then you find out she was drunk.
I think I would literally divorce him.
Why though???
I guess I could understand the friction it would cause a marriage but WHY is anyone to blame (right now, without knowing all the facts) besides the woman driving that car??
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
From Newsday:
Toxicology tests showed that Schuler had a blood-alcohol level of 0.19, Westchester District Attorney Janet DiFiore said in a statement. DiFiore said the tests also showed that Schuler "was operating the vehicle while impaired by marijuana."
Looks like she was high at the time, it wasn't residual in her system.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by hazeleyes33
Don't know what she said other than she didn't feel well and she couldn't see and then the daughter got on the phone.
What happened to the phone also? How did it end up on the ground?
I said that to someone yesterday - how strange that was. They said maybe it was in her lap and she got out of the car for something and it dropped. Although knowing what we know now, doesn't appear to be too hard to lose track of it in that state.
that's what got me questioning... I couldn't see how it would have been a suicide attempt, b/c why bring all those children with you...
that part of the story didn't sit well with me.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by greenfreak
From Newsday:
Toxicology tests showed that Schuler had a blood-alcohol level of 0.19, Westchester District Attorney Janet DiFiore said in a statement. DiFiore said the tests also showed that Schuler "was operating the vehicle while impaired by marijuana."
Looks like she was high at the time, it wasn't residual in her system.
Can they tell if it is residual??
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Yeah I think she was plastered from the night before.
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this is what I think too.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by twiceasnice
Posted by greenfreak
From Newsday:
Toxicology tests showed that Schuler had a blood-alcohol level of 0.19, Westchester District Attorney Janet DiFiore said in a statement. DiFiore said the tests also showed that Schuler "was operating the vehicle while impaired by marijuana."
Looks like she was high at the time, it wasn't residual in her system.
Can they tell if it is residual??
They should be able to tell, based on the level, if it was enough to impair her or not. The time she smoked depends on many other factors though, how her body absorbs it.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by hazeleyes33
Don't know what she said other than she didn't feel well and she couldn't see and then the daughter got on the phone.
What happened to the phone also? How did it end up on the ground?
I said that to someone yesterday - how strange that was. They said maybe it was in her lap and she got out of the car for something and it dropped. Although knowing what we know now, doesn't appear to be too hard to lose track of it in that state.
Well if she was THAT drunk and high to boot, I can easily see how she would have misplaced it, dropped it out the car door, etc.
I have lost plenty of things while in a lot less of a drunken state than she was- money, items from my purse, cell phone case, sunglasses, etc.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by hazeleyes33
Don't know what she said other than she didn't feel well and she couldn't see and then the daughter got on the phone.
What happened to the phone also? How did it end up on the ground?
I said that to someone yesterday - how strange that was. They said maybe it was in her lap and she got out of the car for something and it dropped. Although knowing what we know now, doesn't appear to be too hard to lose track of it in that state.
i almost think the BIL is lying about talking to her, maybe he was trying to cover up for her for some reason.
I think that the oldest daughter could see what was going on and was scared and used her aunts cell phone to call her dad. diane got mad at her for calling ( being impaired and all) and threw the phone out of the car. that probably why BIL called the police, too because he knew she was drunk/high, and not just sick.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by carolinebn
The little girls' mom must be dead inside. Imagine being married to your husband and HIS SISTER gets in a crash & kills ALL of your children. Then you find out she was drunk.
I think I would literally divorce him.
Why though???
I guess I could understand the friction it would cause a marriage but WHY is anyone to blame (right now, without knowing all the facts) besides the woman driving that car??
exactly - the friction. every time i looked at DH, I would see his sister. I think it would kill me. I wouldn't blame my husband, I would just need a change of scenery.
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