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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by BaysideForever
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What I really want to know is how someone who had direct contact with the bodily fluids of a known ebola patient was allowed on a commercial airliner in the first goddamn place before 21 days was up.
THIS!
Exactly! Nothing about this is okay. The country of Colombia is banning anyone whose been to Africa including their own citizens. Sounds smart to me.
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
Posted by 2BadSoSad
What I really want to know is how someone who had direct contact with the bodily fluids of a known ebola patient was allowed on a commercial airliner in the first goddamn place before 21 days was up.
And showing symptoms no less. That was completely selfish on this nurse. Knowing she had been exposed and had symptoms.
I thought I just read that she flew before she was showing symptoms? Has it been reported where she flew to?
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| Posted 10/15/14 1:31 PM |
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adeline27
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Re: Ebola and the news
I'm not scared now but am concerned for all the health care workers out there. I would hope that wherever they are working they have a plan in place on how to handle and treat this. I'm disgusted to hear that the Texas patient was in a regular ER room for 3 hours before being seen. Can you imagine you or your child sitting in that seat once it came open?
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| Posted 10/15/14 1:32 PM |
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by MrsDamonSalv7319
Posted by 2BadSoSad
What I really want to know is how someone who had direct contact with the bodily fluids of a known ebola patient was allowed on a commercial airliner in the first goddamn place before 21 days was up.
B/c they were allowed to "self monitor" and this person probably thought she was fine...basically no one was watching her. Clearly not all people are trustworthy when it comes to "self monitoring."
She was apparently symptom free on the plane at night and woke up the next morning with a fever and was in isolation immediately. Guess we'll find out when people actually become contagious very soon.
And that right there is the problem - let people, who HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE SERIOUSNESS of the disease or how it operates within their body, "self-monitor."
Of course this woman wouldn't say she was symptomatic - HER need to fly home was paramount to public safety.
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| Posted 10/15/14 1:32 PM |
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by MrsDamonSalv7319
People say they aren't at all concerned...but yet they keep clicking on all the Ebola threads...if you could care less, stop bothering to read the threads and let the people who are concerned or interested discuss concerns w/o feeling like they need to justify them.
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| Posted 10/15/14 1:34 PM |
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ANewDayHasCome
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
Posted by 2BadSoSad
What I really want to know is how someone who had direct contact with the bodily fluids of a known ebola patient was allowed on a commercial airliner in the first goddamn place before 21 days was up.
And showing symptoms no less. That was completely selfish on this nurse. Knowing she had been exposed and had symptoms.
I thought I just read that she flew before she was showing symptoms? Has it been reported where she flew to?
Cleavland to Dallas on frontier airlines. I read she wasn't feeling well on the flight. Who knows what's true and/or what she would admit to.
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| Posted 10/15/14 1:35 PM |
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by MrsDamonSalv7319
Posted by 2BadSoSad
What I really want to know is how someone who had direct contact with the bodily fluids of a known ebola patient was allowed on a commercial airliner in the first goddamn place before 21 days was up.
B/c they were allowed to "self monitor" and this person probably thought she was fine...basically no one was watching her. Clearly not all people are trustworthy when it comes to "self monitoring."
She was apparently symptom free on the plane at night and woke up the next morning with a fever and was in isolation immediately. Guess we'll find out when people actually become contagious very soon.
And that right there is the problem - let people, who HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE SERIOUSNESS of the disease or how it operates within their body, "self-monitor."
Of course this woman wouldn't say she was symptomatic - HER need to fly home was paramount to public safety.
I cant even believe she would GET ON A PLANE even if no one was monitoring her. KNOWING what she knew, KNOWING a coworker was "somehow" able to contract it. WTF - like one more week wouldve been a big deal to wait it out? You KNOWINGLY put 100s of lives as risk. Sh!t like this is why Im worried bc people keep letting things like this happen. Things that SHOUDL NEVER HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. Carelessness, selfishness, irresponsibility.....
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by MrsDamonSalv7319
Posted by 2BadSoSad
What I really want to know is how someone who had direct contact with the bodily fluids of a known ebola patient was allowed on a commercial airliner in the first goddamn place before 21 days was up.
B/c they were allowed to "self monitor" and this person probably thought she was fine...basically no one was watching her. Clearly not all people are trustworthy when it comes to "self monitoring."
She was apparently symptom free on the plane at night and woke up the next morning with a fever and was in isolation immediately. Guess we'll find out when people actually become contagious very soon.
And that right there is the problem - let people, who HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE SERIOUSNESS of the disease or how it operates within their body, "self-monitor."
Of course this woman wouldn't say she was symptomatic - HER need to fly home was paramount to public safety.
I cant even believe she would GET ON A PLANE even if no one was monitoring her. KNOWING what she knew, KNOWING a coworker was "somehow" able to contract it. WTF - like one more week wouldve been a big deal to wait it out? You KNOWINGLY put 100s of lives as risk. Sh!t like this is why Im worried bc people keep letting things like this happen. Things that SHOUDL NEVER HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. Carelessness, selfishness, irresponsibility.....
Exactly this! I am more angry than worried because all of this was preventable! Ebola can be contained but watching this unfold the way it has is ridiculous. It's hard to believe we have some of the best scientific minds.
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Ebola and the news
It's being reported that although they were "self monitored" and allowed to travel, they were not allowed to travel via commercial flights. This nurse flew twice. Oct 10 Dallas to Cleveland and oct 13 Cleveland to Dallas
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Re: Ebola and the news
I don't really understand how people are NOT concerned about this. Do you trust this ass-clown of a president to protect us from this? I think you'll be changing your tune in a few weeks...
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by sourpatchkids
I don't really understand how people are NOT concerned about this. Do you trust this ass-clown of a president to protect us from this? I think you'll be changing your tune in a few weeks...
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
It's being reported that although they were "self monitored" and allowed to travel, they were not allowed to travel via commercial flights. This nurse flew twice. Oct 10 Dallas to Cleveland and oct 13 Cleveland to Dallas
It really makes me wonder. She obviously didn't care about the instructions in that case. So did she really have no symptoms before she reported them? If she's selfish enough to fly when told not to, is she selfish enough not to get on a plane with a fever just to get home before reporting it?
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
It's being reported that although they were "self monitored" and allowed to travel, they were not allowed to travel via commercial flights. This nurse flew twice. Oct 10 Dallas to Cleveland and oct 13 Cleveland to Dallas
It really makes me wonder. She obviously didn't care about the instructions in that case. So did she really have no symptoms before she reported them? If she's selfish enough to fly when told not to, is she selfish enough not to get on a plane with a fever just to get home before reporting it?
I hope not, but I believe so.
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Kitten1929
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
It's being reported that although they were "self monitored" and allowed to travel, they were not allowed to travel via commercial flights. This nurse flew twice. Oct 10 Dallas to Cleveland and oct 13 Cleveland to Dallas
It really makes me wonder. She obviously didn't care about the instructions in that case. So did she really have no symptoms before she reported them? If she's selfish enough to fly when told not to, is she selfish enough not to get on a plane with a fever just to get home before reporting it?
I hope not, but I believe so.
The fact that she is a NURSE disturbs me beyond words.
She has more medical knowledge than a common Joe Schmoe.
She knew better - I refuse to believe otherwise.
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sfp0701
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by jessnbrian
Posted by MrsDamonSalv7319
Posted by DMT
I am scared of everything, so just add this to the list :)
My husband works in a hospital so that does not help me. He showers the second he walks in the door and his clothes all go right in the wash.
I really think we need to set up certain 'centers' in every state that are 100% ready to deal with this and the infected people can go there for treatment. There is just no way I can fathom every single hospital being ready for this.
This!! There needs to be places set up ready for Ebola patients that actually know what they're doing and how to stop it from spreading. It should not be left to individual hospitals to deal with.
I'm not so worried about a national outbreak/zombie apocalypse...but let's say that hospital in Dallas gets a few more cases...and then someone in Chicago or NY pops up with Ebola and infects some people...etc...it will scare people...it's bad for the economy...it's bad for travel, it's going to tap out the government's resources to deal with things like this pretty quickly...and since they aren't banning travel from West Africa, there is nothing that will stop pockets from popping up randomly all over the world.
Also, I'm a little curious about why we haven't heard anything about Duncan's family. Is their incubation period over? If they are all healthy, then it's a good sign that it's not very easy to catch early on, only after the person gets very sick.
I, too, am not worried - I've certainly made that abundantly clear. However, I like the idea of creating a centralized location in each major city/regional area specifically set up to care for these patients. I agree, regular hospitals and healthcare workers are NOT trained well enough for this type of care, and as someone said quoting a nurse, (and being in care myself) the patient is #1.... even if it breaks protocols. I think that designating a specific hospital and training that staff EFFICIENTLY would be the ideal.
Right. Why not set up these centers and train people on the proper protocol now, before it gets worse. If it ends up being for naught, so be it, but at least we will be prepared. Instead of everyone scrambling like a-holes to set things up after the fact.
My mom is a director of a major NYC hospital. They are designating a hospital as the "ebola" hospital. Any cases will be transferred there. They are training everyone again and really taking this seriously. They refuse to make the mistakes that Dallas did. So, in short, they are preparing for it.
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
It's being reported that although they were "self monitored" and allowed to travel, they were not allowed to travel via commercial flights. This nurse flew twice. Oct 10 Dallas to Cleveland and oct 13 Cleveland to Dallas
It really makes me wonder. She obviously didn't care about the instructions in that case. So did she really have no symptoms before she reported them? If she's selfish enough to fly when told not to, is she selfish enough not to get on a plane with a fever just to get home before reporting it?
I hope not, but I believe so.
The fact that she is a NURSE disturbs me beyond words.
She has more medical knowledge than a common Joe Schmoe.
She knew better - I refuse to believe otherwise.
I bet these people thought they were protected enough and that there was no way they could contract it.
Do we REALLY know how it's contracted?
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sfp0701
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
It's being reported that although they were "self monitored" and allowed to travel, they were not allowed to travel via commercial flights. This nurse flew twice. Oct 10 Dallas to Cleveland and oct 13 Cleveland to Dallas
It really makes me wonder. She obviously didn't care about the instructions in that case. So did she really have no symptoms before she reported them? If she's selfish enough to fly when told not to, is she selfish enough not to get on a plane with a fever just to get home before reporting it?
I hope not, but I believe so.
The fact that she is a NURSE disturbs me beyond words.
She has more medical knowledge than a common Joe Schmoe.
She knew better - I refuse to believe otherwise.
CDC says she had a 99.5 temp before her PM flight and a fever the next morning. IMO that is a FEVER!!! She had a fever. When my son has that temp his eyes glaze over and he feels warm. When I have that, I have the chills. She was getting sick, knew it and wanted to get home, IMO. I understand she may have been scared but, they were told not to fly. She thought she knew better and flew. I am furious. I am would be even more mad if I was on that flight. The poor person who sat next to her. The flight attendant who took her cup and used napkins.
link to article about her temp
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by sourpatchkids
I don't really understand how people are NOT concerned about this. Do you trust this ass-clown of a president to protect us from this? I think you'll be changing your tune in a few weeks...
Look.. I can't STAND obamass. I think he's a blithering idiot and worthless. I feel he has caused more pain and misery in this country than the brainwashed country wants to believe. I feel like his terms as president have made our country weaker, less respected and an overall mess
that said..
Its a virus.
Unless you want to blame Obama for not locking down our country ahead of time and Duncan then could never come to the US (which time and time again I said would be impossible, never mind hindsight is impossible to at on).
The government (BOTH SIDES) had very little to do with bringing a deadly virus to the US other than transporting two sick individuals back to America who are now CURED and because they are cured they were able to HELP the first nurse by offering a blood transfusion, not otherwise possible if we'd left them in Africa.
I disagree with mocking those who are sincerely panicked and mostly keep my mouth shut other than to offer reassurances or information to counter. But as an Obama-hater I think his opponents can do better than blaming Ebola fear on him.
I am not concerned .. not because I think the government has ANYTHING to do with it one way or another, but because its the MEDIA who's feeding the panic. The family he was visiting here hasn't been admitted. Nurses broke protocol because they didn't know the protocol and more importantly they are extraordinarily brave individuals who are generally used to handling bodily fluids without thought.
I am not handling or exposed to the bodily fluids of anyone showing signs of Ebola. These two nurses were not only around him but HANDLING him in very close proximity. That is not likely to happen to anyone else in the general public.
Hospitals are understaffed because medical fraud is rampant. Medical Mal is ridiculously expensive. Because medical field is reeling from ACA because the costs to be a doctor well out weights the salary. Nurses are hard to come by trained for trauma for the same reasons.
I am not concerned because there's nothing to be concerned about yet.
Food for thought... none of the nurses handling the other two cured Americans have been diagnosed... and I think its because they knew they were coming and were properly prepared. These two nurses were thrust into this.
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by sfp0701
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
It's being reported that although they were "self monitored" and allowed to travel, they were not allowed to travel via commercial flights. This nurse flew twice. Oct 10 Dallas to Cleveland and oct 13 Cleveland to Dallas
It really makes me wonder. She obviously didn't care about the instructions in that case. So did she really have no symptoms before she reported them? If she's selfish enough to fly when told not to, is she selfish enough not to get on a plane with a fever just to get home before reporting it?
I hope not, but I believe so.
The fact that she is a NURSE disturbs me beyond words.
She has more medical knowledge than a common Joe Schmoe.
She knew better - I refuse to believe otherwise.
CDC says she had a 99.5 temp before her PM flight and a fever the next morning. IMO that is a FEVER!!! She had a fever. When my son has that temp his eyes glaze over and he feels warm. When I have that, I have the chills. She was getting sick, knew it and wanted to get home, IMO. I understand she may have been scared but, they were told not to fly. She thought she knew better and flew. I am furious. I am would be even more mad if I was on that flight. The poor person who sat next to her. The flight attendant who took her cup and used napkins.
She visited family members who work at Kent State U. Kent State has told her family members to stay home for the next 21 Days...how many others will be (at the least) inconvienced because of this...bc the CDC has essentially failed to do their job and take actual control from the very beginning. I've been trying to give them the benefit of doubt, but their incompetency is really starting to show and it's scary!
Will people on that plane be told to stay out of work? Will they be paid if that happens? Kids out of school? Ugh, what a nightmare for those ppl!
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Re: Ebola and the news
The only way for this not to spread is those people on the plane , anyone she visited , and the hospital employees that treaded the first and second patient once she is done with her treatment is to stay home for 21 days. They need a mandatory quarantine. Our flight s to the effected countries need to stop. If not , then the outbreak will spread. I would rather inconvenience the 250 people over the death s of many more people.
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by sfp0701
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by jessnbrian
Posted by MrsDamonSalv7319
Posted by DMT
I am scared of everything, so just add this to the list :)
My husband works in a hospital so that does not help me. He showers the second he walks in the door and his clothes all go right in the wash.
I really think we need to set up certain 'centers' in every state that are 100% ready to deal with this and the infected people can go there for treatment. There is just no way I can fathom every single hospital being ready for this.
This!! There needs to be places set up ready for Ebola patients that actually know what they're doing and how to stop it from spreading. It should not be left to individual hospitals to deal with.
I'm not so worried about a national outbreak/zombie apocalypse...but let's say that hospital in Dallas gets a few more cases...and then someone in Chicago or NY pops up with Ebola and infects some people...etc...it will scare people...it's bad for the economy...it's bad for travel, it's going to tap out the government's resources to deal with things like this pretty quickly...and since they aren't banning travel from West Africa, there is nothing that will stop pockets from popping up randomly all over the world.
Also, I'm a little curious about why we haven't heard anything about Duncan's family. Is their incubation period over? If they are all healthy, then it's a good sign that it's not very easy to catch early on, only after the person gets very sick.
I, too, am not worried - I've certainly made that abundantly clear. However, I like the idea of creating a centralized location in each major city/regional area specifically set up to care for these patients. I agree, regular hospitals and healthcare workers are NOT trained well enough for this type of care, and as someone said quoting a nurse, (and being in care myself) the patient is #1.... even if it breaks protocols. I think that designating a specific hospital and training that staff EFFICIENTLY would be the ideal.
Right. Why not set up these centers and train people on the proper protocol now, before it gets worse. If it ends up being for naught, so be it, but at least we will be prepared. Instead of everyone scrambling like a-holes to set things up after the fact.
My mom is a director of a major NYC hospital. They are designating a hospital as the "ebola" hospital. Any cases will be transferred there. They are training everyone again and really taking this seriously. They refuse to make the mistakes that Dallas did. So, in short, they are preparing for it.
I was hopin somethjng like this was going to happen. That's the way it should be. Good to know! NYC as usual on top of their sh!t when it comes to healthcare!
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by sfp0701
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
It's being reported that although they were "self monitored" and allowed to travel, they were not allowed to travel via commercial flights. This nurse flew twice. Oct 10 Dallas to Cleveland and oct 13 Cleveland to Dallas
It really makes me wonder. She obviously didn't care about the instructions in that case. So did she really have no symptoms before she reported them? If she's selfish enough to fly when told not to, is she selfish enough not to get on a plane with a fever just to get home before reporting it?
I hope not, but I believe so.
The fact that she is a NURSE disturbs me beyond words.
She has more medical knowledge than a common Joe Schmoe.
She knew better - I refuse to believe otherwise.
CDC says she had a 99.5 temp before her PM flight and a fever the next morning. IMO that is a FEVER!!! She had a fever. When my son has that temp his eyes glaze over and he feels warm. When I have that, I have the chills. She was getting sick, knew it and wanted to get home, IMO. I understand she may have been scared but, they were told not to fly. She thought she knew better and flew. I am furious. I am would be even more mad if I was on that flight. The poor person who sat next to her. The flight attendant who took her cup and used napkins.
link to article about her temp
not to mention all the people on that airplane after her. The kid that could have been touching the tray table she just got her nasty germs all over, then put his hands in his mouth. The person that used the restroom, and didn't use a napkin to open the door to get out after washing their hands, etc. etc. Completely irresponsible on her part!!!!
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by sourpatchkids
I don't really understand how people are NOT concerned about this. Do you trust this ass-clown of a president to protect us from this? I think you'll be changing your tune in a few weeks...
FTW!!!
I'm sorry this is hilarious. Ass-clown president. super mature
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Re: Ebola and the news
Posted by sourpatchkids
I don't really understand how people are NOT concerned about this. Do you trust this ass-clown of a president to protect us from this? I think you'll be changing your tune in a few weeks...
Yes. Cancel Christmas. We should all be dead or dying by then....
At least we don't have to worry about shopping this year...
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Re: Ebola and the news
She probably believed she was ok. They say it's not airborne, she had protective gear given to her by the hospital. And figured she was safe obviously she wasn't. Which brings to me the debate going on here. For the 2nd very long thread. Some people are choosing to believe what the cdc is saying and think they are perfectly safe. Others do not believe it and are pretty freaked out.
I'm one of the others. I feel like they do not have a handle on this. The first thing they should do is STOP ALL FLIGHTS from disease stricken areas. Period. Right now their first line of defense is customs agents taking temps at the airport. Really???? My friend is an agent. She got a mask, gloves and thermometer. That's it. A lot less gear then both of those nurses had. It's unbelievable that they are waiting for this to spread before just shitting down the flights.
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