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Eva Luna
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by lululu
Posted by BellaPaige
 Really? A crime is crime IMO.
That's interesting - so i guess shoplifting is the same as murder then? Come on now, you're just being silly.
Wasnt one of these guys convicted of armed robbery?
Unless the cops knew this ahead of time, this is irrelevant and character assasination. Period. No need to bring it up. What pattern? How did they know?
Show me that they knew this, and that this was a "sting" to get them...then I'll believe your point.
Otherwise, it's all "effing bull$h!t"...
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
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Posted by lululu
Posted by BellaPaige
Really? A crime is crime IMO.
That's interesting - so i guess shoplifting is the same as murder then? Come on now, you're just being silly.
Wasnt one of these guys convicted of armed robbery?
shop lifting is not a felony
It certainly can be.
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:30 AM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by BellaPaige
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Posted by BellaPaige
Really? A crime is crime IMO.
That's interesting - so i guess shoplifting is the same as murder then? Come on now, you're just being silly.
Wasnt one of these guys convicted of armed robbery?
So because he was convicted of robbery that makes it right to kill?
PLEASE point out where i said that? PLEASE. Take a moment to read what i write before you comment!!!
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:31 AM |
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HollaGirl
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop that shot him.
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:31 AM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Eva Luna
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Posted by BellaPaige
Really? A crime is crime IMO.
That's interesting - so i guess shoplifting is the same as murder then? Come on now, you're just being silly.
Wasnt one of these guys convicted of armed robbery?
Unless the cops knew this ahead of time, this is irrelevant and character assasination. Period. No need to bring it up. What pattern? How did they know?
Show me that they knew this, and that this was a "sting" to get them...then I'll believe your point.
Otherwise, it's all "effing bull$h!t"...
I didnt say they knew about the prior convictions - but i would put my money on the fact that these guys did something to justify the shooting. In my opinion - slamming the car into the officer and the van is probably a good indication of that.
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:32 AM |
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Eva Luna
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by HollaGirl
I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop that shot him.
I hate to say this, but a black cop probably wouldn't have shot him...50 times. 
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:33 AM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by HollaGirl
I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop that shot him.
I heard that two of the cops involved were black and a thrid hispanic. Was that not the case?
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:34 AM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by lululu
Posted by Eva Luna
Posted by lululu
Posted by BellaPaige
Really? A crime is crime IMO.
That's interesting - so i guess shoplifting is the same as murder then? Come on now, you're just being silly.
Wasnt one of these guys convicted of armed robbery?
Unless the cops knew this ahead of time, this is irrelevant and character assasination. Period. No need to bring it up. What pattern? How did they know?
Show me that they knew this, and that this was a "sting" to get them...then I'll believe your point.
Otherwise, it's all "effing bull$h!t"...
I didnt say they knew about the prior convictions - but i would put my money on the fact that these guys did something to justify the shooting. In my opinion - slamming the car into the officer and the van is probably a good indication of that.
EXACTLY. Why does nobody care that this guy drove his car into a COP, BACKED UP, and did it AGAIN?
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:34 AM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by HollaGirl
I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop that shot him.
I think he would say exactly what he is saying now...no matter what color.
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by lululu
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I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop that shot him.
I heard that two of the cops involved were black and a thrid hispanic. Was that not the case?
you are correct.
2 black
2 white
1 hispanic.
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:35 AM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Shorty
Posted by lululu
Posted by HollaGirl
I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop that shot him.
I heard that two of the cops involved were black and a thrid hispanic. Was that not the case?
you are correct.
2 black
2 white
1 hispanic.
Yes-- that is the truth!
I'm sorry but how can anyone say "but a black cop probably wouldn't have shot him...50 times" OMG! That's insane and total reverse discrimination!! OMG-- Holy! I'm in shock over here: 
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Eva Luna
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by HollaGirl
Posted by lululu
Posted by Eva Luna
Posted by lululu
Posted by BellaPaige
Really? A crime is crime IMO.
That's interesting - so i guess shoplifting is the same as murder then? Come on now, you're just being silly.
Wasnt one of these guys convicted of armed robbery?
Unless the cops knew this ahead of time, this is irrelevant and character assasination. Period. No need to bring it up. What pattern? How did they know?
Show me that they knew this, and that this was a "sting" to get them...then I'll believe your point.
Otherwise, it's all "effing bull$h!t"...
I didnt say they knew about the prior convictions - but i would put my money on the fact that these guys did something to justify the shooting. In my opinion - slamming the car into the officer and the van is probably a good indication of that.
EXACTLY. Why does nobody care that this guy drove his car into a COP, BACKED UP, and did it AGAIN?
I care. It's horrible.
But there are too many holes in the story.
First, does it justify shooting 50 times?
Second, did they identify themselves as cops?
Third, who was driving...where they drunk?
*It's easy to say "someone said he had a gun when he got into a fight"...well, if that someone was drunk, could he have been lying?*
I hope they weren't attempting to drive drunk. This could have been a lot more tragic. But we jsut don't know right now.
There are way too many jumps to conclusions.
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:37 AM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Shorty
Posted by lululu
Posted by HollaGirl
I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop that shot him.
I heard that two of the cops involved were black and a thrid hispanic. Was that not the case?
you are correct.
2 black
2 white
1 hispanic.
I read that there is a sociological factor that minority policemen are more likely to be "stricter" so they are not seen as biased.
Obviously everything works on a case by case basis.
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:38 AM |
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Eva Luna
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by DaniRella
Posted by Shorty
Posted by lululu
Posted by HollaGirl
I wonder what Sharpton would say if it was a black cop that shot him.
I heard that two of the cops involved were black and a thrid hispanic. Was that not the case?
you are correct.
2 black
2 white
1 hispanic.
Yes, I'm sorry but how can anyone say "if the cops were black he would not have been shot fifty times" OMG! That's insane and total reverse discrimination!! OMG-- Holy! I'm in shock over here:
Are you in shock, really?
I'm in shock about a lot of things. Daily. Not this.
Who shot what though?
To me, a minority officer wouldn't be as "scared" and wouldn't act on that fear so hastily. That's the point I was trying to make.
Not reverse discrimination.
Common sense. I said it earlier. People are afraid of "different". And from what I've read here regarding the character of the shooting victims, it seems that discrimination runs deep. That's all.
ETA: I mean, we've already established that the shooting victims were up to no good and all had priors, so it's OK. All this, without all the info being out.
Ever thought the cops were just scared and shot first to ask questions later?
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Eva Luna
ETA: I mean, we've already established that the shooting victims were up to no good and all had priors, so it's OK. All this, without all the info being out.
Ever the thought the cops were jsut scared and shot first to ask questions later?
Yes, I am guilty of discriminating against people with prior convictions of armed robbery. Call me crazy!!! And I give my benefit of the doubt to the cops - call me crazy on that too! I am not saying not to question the cops, I am not saying cops are infallible. But what I will say is that these cops have clean records, and the victimes do not. If I have to err to one side without all the facts, its going to be with the cops. But I will reserve my judgement of anyone until I have all the facts, which i probably never will!
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
I really don't know what to think about all this. I feel terribly for the woman and children who have lost their husband/father. No matter what happened, it is terrible.
With that being said, none of us can pass judgement until we know the facts. And we probably will never know. But what bothers me is that they obviously had a reason to shoot, these people were using their car as a lethal weapon. They were ramming it into an officer. If that was my husband being hit (and he is a cop) I would hope his fellow officers would do everything they could to save his life, even if that means shooting 50 shots. If the officer was fatally wounded by the vehicle this whole story would be a lot different. And was the driver drunk? What would the story be like if he hadn't been stopped and driven off and then run over someone else? I really think this is a very emotionall charged case and none of us will ever know the true story.
My prayers are with the family
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Yes, I am guilty of discriminating against people with prior convictions of armed robbery. Call me crazy!!! And I give my benefit of the doubt to the cops - call me crazy on that too! I am not saying not to question the cops, I am not saying cops are infallible. But what I will say is that these cops have clean records, and the victimes do not. If I have to err to one side without all the facts, its going to be with the cops. But I will reserve my judgement of anyone until I have all the facts, which i probably never will!
I so agree with this statement!!! Very well said!!!!
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Eva Luna
Common sense. I said it earlier. People are afraid of "different". And from what I've read here regarding the character of the shooting victims, it seems that discrimination runs deep. That's all.
ETA: I mean, we've already established that the shooting victims were up to no good and all had priors, so it's OK. All this, without all the info being out.
Ever thought the cops were just scared and shot first to ask questions later?
Ever think that it has nothing to do with color...but the element and environment they were in?
The people known for frequenting this strip club weren't known for their "community service".
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:49 AM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
If someone drove into my car not once, but twice, unprovoked, if I had a gun, I would open fire as well. Obviously, if someone does that, they are trying to hurt me. Once, ok, maybe it was an accident, but twice?
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Eva Luna
*It's easy to say "someone said he had a gun when he got into a fight"...well, if that someone was drunk, could he have been lying?*
Well, sure he could be lying. But I think police are forced to make split-second decisions--like the book Blink--in the blink of an eye they have to decide what they are going to do. And someone says he has a gun, and another person has hit a police officer with a car...If you wait you risk him shooting a cop. Do you wait to see if he pulls the gun and fires? Or shoots it from where he is holding it in his coat pocket?
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:51 AM |
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Eva Luna
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by lululu
Posted by Eva Luna
ETA: I mean, we've already established that the shooting victims were up to no good and all had priors, so it's OK. All this, without all the info being out.
Ever the thought the cops were jsut scared and shot first to ask questions later?
Yes, I am guilty of discriminating against people with prior convictions of armed robbery. Call me crazy!!! And I give my benefit of the doubt to the cops - call me crazy on that too! I am not saying not to question the cops, I am not saying cops are infallible. But what I will say is that these cops have clean records, and the victimes do not. If I have to err to one side without all the facts, its going to be with the cops. But I will reserve my judgement of anyone until I have all the facts, which i probably never will!
But I guess we'll just keep going 'round and 'round. 'Cause my point is that they probably didn't know this (about their arrest records). And we only know this now because the media is trying to sensationalize this. Make us take sides. Blame the victim.
And that's the point I was trying to make earlier...how cops and communities need to come together...to end this. Because you give the cops the benefit of the doubt and many here seem to also, and that's fine. I don't. Many minorities don't. There isn't very much trust there. It's certainly justifiable a lot of the times. Cops aren't always super fair when it comes to minorities. They err on the side of "this person must be up to no good".
And after this, I'm not so sure about the "clean" records of the cops.
If they were rookies...they probably shouldn't have been set up on that "sting"...
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by Eva Luna
Ever thought the cops were just scared and shot first to ask questions later?
Yes, I think they were all scared. They were watching thier fellow officer be run over by a car of drunk men who were threatening them. I would be scared too
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:52 AM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
There's a lot we dont know. I woke up Friday morning witht eh news on, hearing 100 different versions of what happenned when the news started coming out. I think there's a lot we don't know. If someone is ramming into me with a car, I'd consider that a threat to my life. I think 50 bullets is excessive, especially if they're not firing back. And the past records are completely irrelevant
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:53 AM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
wait-i think i am confused here
at first i heard the cops that shot him were black n hispanic
now there was a white cop there too?
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| Posted 11/27/06 11:53 AM |
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Re: Groom Killed on Wedding Day
Posted by nixy
from this article on the NYT...
NT times Article
"To the layman, and to the loved ones of those who were shot, 50 shots seems a startlingly high number, especially since the men were found to be unarmed. And police experts concede that the number was high. Yet they also note that in those chaotic and frightening fractions of a second between quiet and gunfire, nothing is clear-cut, and blood is pumping furiously. Even 50 shots can be squeezed off in a matter of seconds."
Having fired many different kinds of weapons, I have to wonder if any legal police issue firearm would shoot off 50 rounds in "seconds." The only "handgun" type weapon that I know of that could do this is an Uzi.
The fact that one of the officers had to re-load his weaopn though gets me. What were they staking out at that club? Why were these men suspected of having A firearm in their car?
Too much still unknown, but again I will stick to my original statement, 50 rounds is excessive.
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