Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Message edited 11/28/2006 1:14:39 PM.

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Posted by baghag

Posted by Hi-Fi55
Minorities dislike all cops and some cops dislike the minorities.

Hmmm....what's wrong with that picture?

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Posted by baghag

Posted by Hi-Fi55
Minorities dislike all cops and some cops dislike the minorities.

Hmmm....what's wrong with that picture?

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Message edited 11/28/2006 1:19:39 PM.

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Posted by Hi-Fi55

Posted by baghag

Posted by Hi-Fi55
Minorities dislike all cops and some cops dislike the minorities.

Hmmm....what's wrong with that picture?

That's the problem with quoting out of context. The whole post was a point. You can't pick and choose what you want to quote. Anyway, the point is racism keeps going as long as people find reasons to keep it going.

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Message edited 11/28/2006 1:29:04 PM.

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Posted by Eva Luna

Posted by Hi-Fi55

You should always believe what you are saying. Otherwise why say it. And who is to say who is right or wrong?

You shouldn't judge all cops by a few cops or by a few past incidents that have given NYPD officers a bad name. If that's true than why is this such a "hot topic". We shouldn't be so upset about this incident. We should say thank God these officers who serve and protect our lives daily and look out for our children are still alive. Yes, it is a sad tragedy that these lives were loss, but it was because these cops were working undercover at this strip club.

Just like people of different races shouldn't be treated differently. No matter what.

Unfortunately, neither of these situations is handled equally. Minorities dislike all cops and some cops dislike the minorities.

Hmmm....what's wrong with that picture?

I'm hoping that that's a typo...because to say that "all" minorities dislike all cops is a huge, blatant and grossly negligent generalization.

NO ONE PERSON CAN EVER SPEAK FOR ANY ONE GROUP. PERIOD.

One cop can't speak for all, one person from a minority can't speak for all, one poster for all, etc.

Generalizations are what keep prejudice alive.

Please explain your point. Because I quoted the whole thing...and got the same result.

I'm thinking you left something out.

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Posted by Hi-Fi55

Posted by Eva Luna

Posted by Hi-Fi55

You should always believe what you are saying. Otherwise why say it. And who is to say who is right or wrong?

You shouldn't judge all cops by a few cops or by a few past incidents that have given NYPD officers a bad name. If that's true than why is this such a "hot topic". We shouldn't be so upset about this incident. We should say thank God these officers who serve and protect our lives daily and look out for our children are still alive. Yes, it is a sad tragedy that these lives were loss, but it was because these cops were working undercover at this strip club.

Just like people of different races shouldn't be treated differently. No matter what.

Unfortunately, neither of these situations is handled equally. Minorities dislike all cops and some cops dislike the minorities.

Hmmm....what's wrong with that picture?

I'm hoping that that's a typo...because to say that "all" minorities dislike all cops is a huge, blatant and grossly negligent generalization.

NO ONE PERSON CAN EVER SPEAK FOR ANY ONE GROUP. PERIOD.

One cop can't speak for all, one person from a minority can't speak for all, one poster for all, etc.

Generalizations are what keep prejudice alive.

Please explain your point. Because I quoted the whole thing...and got the same result.

I'm thinking you left something out.

I never said all minorites? Where does it say that? I said minorites. I said all cops, but take out all there. Some of them don't like cops. No I can't speak for all of them. Some white people don't like them either. But we are talking about a specific case are we not? So I am trying to stick to that.

And I did explain my post.

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Posted by baghag

Posted by Hi-Fi55

Posted by baghag

Posted by Hi-Fi55
Minorities dislike all cops and some cops dislike the minorities.

Hmmm....what's wrong with that picture?

That's the problem with quoting out of context. The whole post was a point. You can't pick and choose what you want to quote. Anyway, the point is racism keeps going as long as people find reasons to keep it going.

I am missing the point. Honestly I am NOT trying to be a smart *** to you.

I am a minority, and grateful EVERY SINGLE DAY that the NYPD protects us.

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Posted by Eva Luna

Posted by Hi-Fi55

Posted by Eva Luna

Posted by Hi-Fi55

You should always believe what you are saying. Otherwise why say it. And who is to say who is right or wrong?

You shouldn't judge all cops by a few cops or by a few past incidents that have given NYPD officers a bad name. If that's true than why is this such a "hot topic". We shouldn't be so upset about this incident. We should say thank God these officers who serve and protect our lives daily and look out for our children are still alive. Yes, it is a sad tragedy that these lives were loss, but it was because these cops were working undercover at this strip club.

Just like people of different races shouldn't be treated differently. No matter what.

Unfortunately, neither of these situations is handled equally. Minorities dislike all cops and some cops dislike the minorities.

Hmmm....what's wrong with that picture?

I'm hoping that that's a typo...because to say that "all" minorities dislike all cops is a huge, blatant and grossly negligent generalization.

NO ONE PERSON CAN EVER SPEAK FOR ANY ONE GROUP. PERIOD.

One cop can't speak for all, one person from a minority can't speak for all, one poster for all, etc.

Generalizations are what keep prejudice alive.

Please explain your point. Because I quoted the whole thing...and got the same result.

I'm thinking you left something out.

I never said all minorites? Where does it say that? I said minorites. I said all cops, but take out all there. Some of them don't like cops. No I can't speak for all of them. Some white people don't like them either. But we are talking about a specific case are we not? So I am trying to stick to that.

And I did explain my post.

...I'll show you...

Minorities dislike all cops and some cops dislike the minorities.

By not prefacing with "some" or "all" it is understood that you're referring to minorities as a whole. If not, it would state different.

The next part, about cops, is prefaced by the word "some"...so that is crystal clear.

Thanks for explaining.

Message edited 11/28/2006 1:34:10 PM.

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

It's not a matter or semantics. it did read as if you were referring to minorities as a whole

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

omg.

Let's BURN her at the stake!

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

OMG My head hurts

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Posted by HollaGirl

omg.

Let's BURN her at the stake!

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Although it's now pulled that thread was one of the most disgraceful threads I have seen since I began posting on any of the Bridal Planner Group chat boards.

50 shots were fired at those men with no return gun fire. Although it takes about 1 minute to discharge 31 rounds from a 9 mm handgun (trigger must be pulled since its not an automatic weapon) 1 minute is a LONG TIME to be caught in a hail of bullets.

Just because a man was out at 4 a.m. at a strip club with potential hookers on his wedding day does not mean he deserved to die - criminal record or not. His choice (or his friends choice) of bachelor party locations also does not make him a bad person. I realize that an officer was struck by a moving vehicle but even that does not make it okay to discharge 50 rounds into a moving car when there is no return fire. And even the NYPD stated that its against police policy to shoot at a moving vehicle when only the vehicle is being used as the weapon (no gun). People familiar with weapons (military mostly) fire several rounds then stop to assess the situation. I am sure the NYPD trains it's officers in a similar fashion.

As for the criminal histories of those involved, for some reason learning that a person has a criminal history always gets brought out after the police murder a person and that seems to calm people And when the person has a stellar past and is college bound or something similar everyone is in an uproar. Why is the person with a criminal record cast aside as if that life is worthless Everyone makes mistakes in life.

The NYPD Rant blog is some of the most racist, unsupported information I have seen. I honestly hope that none of these bigots work in any of our communities although sadly I'm sure some of them do. DH has several friends - Black male friends - that are detectives for the NYPD and they have colleagues that share the views posted in that racist blog. DH's detective friends told him NOT to join the NYPD after he got out of the military because of racism and the blue wall of silence - which requires all officers to support the NYPD in all situations.

Blogs like that one are the reason I fear for the life of my husband, father, brother and other male relatives daily. My husband is stopped constantly simply because he is driving a Mercedes E 320.....presumably "too nice" so he must be a criminal since he also has dreadlocks. He is never ticketed and all the paperwork is always in order.

The perception that minorities commit the majority of crime in this country is a joke. I majored in criminal justice and studied all of this. Nobody ever mentions the number of times a non-minority is arrested but does not have to go through the system for whatever reason i.e., family member called in a favor, cop knew the person or the family and gave the person a pass, the person had no rap sheet so they get a pass (typically more than one pass since they did not get processed the first time), they are presumed innocent because they are not a minority etc.

Racial profiling is alive and well and we all have heard the stories of minorities being disproportionately stopped and searched. In one study of the NJ Turnpike it was found that while African Americans made up 13.5 percent of highway users and 15 percent of the speeders, they represented 35 percent of those stopped by police. My husband was stopped on the NJ Turnpike at least 20 times all by white officers and he was NEVER ticketed. DH was even stopped by the same officer twice in the same week and DH reminded him that he already was stopped that same week and DH told the officer all about the officers military duty stations since they had discussed it earlier in the week when DH was stopped. All of this since DH was driving his Mercedes CLK 430 and presumed to be a criminal.

Because of racial profiling minorities are more often processed and sentenced so of course the numbers are skewed. That does not mean minorites commit more crime it just means they are more often caught since minorites are always looked upon as a suspect. I know that I have personally been followed around a high end store or two (or 10) and as a suspect as if I were going to steal something. Meanwhile the real shoplifters are getting away with thousands in merchandise. I'm shocked that Winona Ryder was even processed for shoplifting - then again she is a celebrity so that was sensationalized.

There have been tons of studies on this and several by minorities who are so fair skinned that they are thought to be white. One very fair skinned Black man (saw this on t.v. recently) said he and another darker Black friend were stopped for a search while walking in their neighborhood late night. Not sure if there was even probable caused but the fair skinned man was not searched or handcuffed at all while his much darker friend was cuffed and questioned just for walking in their own neighborhood.

I'm amazed at all of this racial bias since I know several white men and women who were released without processing for various crimes including possession of cocaine. My own personal revelation came when my African American cousin was murdered at age 18 by a 17 year old WHITE kid (and former friend) who fled GA and came to NYC to only be arrested for trying to rob a woman at knifepoint. That incident did not make the paper though - at least not the NYC paper. And nobody ever mentioned the kid was white but had it been a minority criminal it would have been all over the news as "typical Black on Black crime".

The cops are the first stop in the system and if they are biased in arresting minorites more often then of course when the case gets to an ADA the person is more likely to be a minority - hence the numbers are skewed so it appears that minorites commit more crime when its just NOT TRUE.

The media perpetuates much of the racial bias in this country. It makes the paper more often when a crime is committed by a minority. It's front page news. Just like when a police officer does something heroic it's on page 6 at the bottom rather than front page news This entire situation is sad for all involved.

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Posted by MrsT

Although it's now pulled that thread was one of the most disgraceful threads I have seen since I began posting on any of the Bridal Planner Group chat boards.

50 shots were fired at those men with no return gun fire. Although it takes about 1 minute to discharge 31 rounds from a 9 mm handgun (trigger must be pulled since its not an automatic weapon) 1 minute is a LONG TIME to be caught in a hail of bullets.

Just because a man was out at 4 a.m. at a strip club with potential hookers on his wedding day does not mean he deserved to die - criminal record or not. His choice (or his friends choice) of bachelor party locations also does not make him a bad person. I realize that an officer was struck by a moving vehicle but even that does not make it okay to discharge 50 rounds into a moving car when there is no return fire. And even the NYPD stated that its against police policy to shoot at a moving vehicle when only the vehicle is being used as the weapon (no gun). People familiar with weapons (military mostly) fire several rounds then stop to assess the situation. I am sure the NYPD trains it's officers in a similar fashion.

As for the criminal histories of those involved, for some reason learning that a person has a criminal history always gets brought out after the police murder a person and that seems to calm people And when the person has a stellar past and is college bound or something similar everyone is in an uproar. Why is the person with a criminal record cast aside as if that life is worthless Everyone makes mistakes in life.

The NYPD Rant blog is some of the most racist, unsupported information I have seen. I honestly hope that none of these bigots work in any of our communities although sadly I'm sure some of them do. DH has several friends - Black male friends - that are detectives for the NYPD and they have colleagues that share the views posted in that racist blog. DH's detective friends told him NOT to join the NYPD after he got out of the military because of racism and the blue wall of silence - which requires all officers to support the NYPD in all situations.

Blogs like that one are the reason I fear for the life of my husband, father, brother and other male relatives daily. My husband is stopped constantly simply because he is driving a Mercedes E 320.....presumably "too nice" so he must be a criminal since he also has dreadlocks. He is never ticketed and all the paperwork is always in order.

The perception that minorities commit the majority of crime in this country is a joke. I majored in criminal justice and studied all of this. Nobody ever mentions the number of times a non-minority is arrested but does not have to go through the system for whatever reason i.e., family member called in a favor, cop knew the person or the family and gave the person a pass, the person had no rap sheet so they get a pass (typically more than one pass since they did not get processed the first time), they are presumed innocent because they are not a minority etc.

Racial profiling is alive and well and we all have heard the stories of minorities being disproportionately stopped and searched. In one study of the NJ Turnpike it was found that while African Americans made up 13.5 percent of highway users and 15 percent of the speeders, they represented 35 percent of those stopped by police. My husband was stopped on the NJ Turnpike at least 20 times all by white officers and he was NEVER ticketed. DH was even stopped by the same officer twice in the same week and DH reminded him that he already was stopped that same week and DH told the officer all about the officers military duty stations since they had discussed it earlier in the week when DH was stopped. All of this since DH was driving his Mercedes CLK 430 and presumed to be a criminal.

Because of racial profiling minorities are more often processed and sentenced so of course the numbers are skewed. That does not mean minorites commit more crime it just means they are more often caught since minorites are always looked upon as a suspect. I know that I have personally been followed around a high end store or two (or 10) and as a suspect as if I were going to steal something. Meanwhile the real shoplifters are getting away with thousands in merchandise. I'm shocked that Winona Ryder was even processed for shoplifting - then again she is a celebrity so that was sensationalized.

There have been tons of studies on this and several by minorities who are so fair skinned that they are thought to be white. One very fair skinned Black man (saw this on t.v. recently) said he and another darker Black friend were stopped for a search while walking in their neighborhood late night. Not sure if there was even probable caused but the fair skinned man was not searched or handcuffed at all while his much darker friend was cuffed and questioned just for walking in their own neighborhood.

I'm amazed at all of this racial bias since I know several white men and women who were released without processing for various crimes including possession of cocaine. My own personal revelation came when my African American cousin was murdered at age 18 by a 17 year old WHITE kid (and former friend) who fled GA and came to NYC to only be arrested for trying to rob a woman at knifepoint. That incident did not make the paper though - at least not the NYC paper. And nobody ever mentioned the kid was white but had it been a minority criminal it would have been all over the news as "typical Black on Black crime".

The cops are the first stop in the system and if they are biased in arresting minorites more often then of course when the case gets to an ADA the person is more likely to be a minority - hence the numbers are skewed so it appears that minorites commit more crime when its just NOT TRUE.

The media perpetuates much of the racial bias in this country. It makes the paper more often when a crime is committed by a minority. It's front page news. Just like when a police officer does something heroic it's on page 6 at the bottom rather than front page news This entire situation is sad for all involved.

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Posted by MrsT

Although it's now pulled that thread was one of the most disgraceful threads I have seen since I began posting on any of the Bridal Planner Group chat boards.

50 shots were fired at those men with no return gun fire. Although it takes about 1 minute to discharge 31 rounds from a 9 mm handgun (trigger must be pulled since its not an automatic weapon) 1 minute is a LONG TIME to be caught in a hail of bullets.

Just because a man was out at 4 a.m. at a strip club with potential hookers on his wedding day does not mean he deserved to die - criminal record or not. His choice (or his friends choice) of bachelor party locations also does not make him a bad person. I realize that an officer was struck by a moving vehicle but even that does not make it okay to discharge 50 rounds into a moving car when there is no return fire. And even the NYPD stated that its against police policy to shoot at a moving vehicle when only the vehicle is being used as the weapon (no gun). People familiar with weapons (military mostly) fire several rounds then stop to assess the situation. I am sure the NYPD trains it's officers in a similar fashion.

As for the criminal histories of those involved, for some reason learning that a person has a criminal history always gets brought out after the police murder a person and that seems to calm people And when the person has a stellar past and is college bound or something similar everyone is in an uproar. Why is the person with a criminal record cast aside as if that life is worthless Everyone makes mistakes in life.

The NYPD Rant blog is some of the most racist, unsupported information I have seen. I honestly hope that none of these bigots work in any of our communities although sadly I'm sure some of them do. DH has several friends - Black male friends - that are detectives for the NYPD and they have colleagues that share the views posted in that racist blog. DH's detective friends told him NOT to join the NYPD after he got out of the military because of racism and the blue wall of silence - which requires all officers to support the NYPD in all situations.

Blogs like that one are the reason I fear for the life of my husband, father, brother and other male relatives daily. My husband is stopped constantly simply because he is driving a Mercedes E 320.....presumably "too nice" so he must be a criminal since he also has dreadlocks. He is never ticketed and all the paperwork is always in order.

The perception that minorities commit the majority of crime in this country is a joke. I majored in criminal justice and studied all of this. Nobody ever mentions the number of times a non-minority is arrested but does not have to go through the system for whatever reason i.e., family member called in a favor, cop knew the person or the family and gave the person a pass, the person had no rap sheet so they get a pass (typically more than one pass since they did not get processed the first time), they are presumed innocent because they are not a minority etc.

Racial profiling is alive and well and we all have heard the stories of minorities being disproportionately stopped and searched. In one study of the NJ Turnpike it was found that while African Americans made up 13.5 percent of highway users and 15 percent of the speeders, they represented 35 percent of those stopped by police. My husband was stopped on the NJ Turnpike at least 20 times all by white officers and he was NEVER ticketed. DH was even stopped by the same officer twice in the same week and DH reminded him that he already was stopped that same week and DH told the officer all about the officers military duty stations since they had discussed it earlier in the week when DH was stopped. All of this since DH was driving his Mercedes CLK 430 and presumed to be a criminal.

Because of racial profiling minorities are more often processed and sentenced so of course the numbers are skewed. That does not mean minorites commit more crime it just means they are more often caught since minorites are always looked upon as a suspect. I know that I have personally been followed around a high end store or two (or 10) and as a suspect as if I were going to steal something. Meanwhile the real shoplifters are getting away with thousands in merchandise. I'm shocked that Winona Ryder was even processed for shoplifting - then again she is a celebrity so that was sensationalized.

There have been tons of studies on this and several by minorities who are so fair skinned that they are thought to be white. One very fair skinned Black man (saw this on t.v. recently) said he and another darker Black friend were stopped for a search while walking in their neighborhood late night. Not sure if there was even probable caused but the fair skinned man was not searched or handcuffed at all while his much darker friend was cuffed and questioned just for walking in their own neighborhood.

I'm amazed at all of this racial bias since I know several white men and women who were released without processing for various crimes including possession of cocaine. My own personal revelation came when my African American cousin was murdered at age 18 by a 17 year old WHITE kid (and former friend) who fled GA and came to NYC to only be arrested for trying to rob a woman at knifepoint. That incident did not make the paper though - at least not the NYC paper. And nobody ever mentioned the kid was white but had it been a minority criminal it would have been all over the news as "typical Black on Black crime".

The cops are the first stop in the system and if they are biased in arresting minorites more often then of course when the case gets to an ADA the person is more likely to be a minority - hence the numbers are skewed so it appears that minorites commit more crime when its just NOT TRUE.

The media perpetuates much of the racial bias in this country. It makes the paper more often when a crime is committed by a minority. It's front page news. Just like when a police officer does something heroic it's on page 6 at the bottom rather than front page news This entire situation is sad for all involved.

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Posted by HollaGirl

Posted by MrsT

Although it's now pulled that thread was one of the most disgraceful threads I have seen since I began posting on any of the Bridal Planner Group chat boards.

50 shots were fired at those men with no return gun fire. Although it takes about 1 minute to discharge 31 rounds from a 9 mm handgun (trigger must be pulled since its not an automatic weapon) 1 minute is a LONG TIME to be caught in a hail of bullets.

Just because a man was out at 4 a.m. at a strip club with potential hookers on his wedding day does not mean he deserved to die - criminal record or not. His choice (or his friends choice) of bachelor party locations also does not make him a bad person. I realize that an officer was struck by a moving vehicle but even that does not make it okay to discharge 50 rounds into a moving car when there is no return fire. And even the NYPD stated that its against police policy to shoot at a moving vehicle when only the vehicle is being used as the weapon (no gun). People familiar with weapons (military mostly) fire several rounds then stop to assess the situation. I am sure the NYPD trains it's officers in a similar fashion.

As for the criminal histories of those involved, for some reason learning that a person has a criminal history always gets brought out after the police murder a person and that seems to calm people And when the person has a stellar past and is college bound or something similar everyone is in an uproar. Why is the person with a criminal record cast aside as if that life is worthless Everyone makes mistakes in life.

The NYPD Rant blog is some of the most racist, unsupported information I have seen. I honestly hope that none of these bigots work in any of our communities although sadly I'm sure some of them do. DH has several friends - Black male friends - that are detectives for the NYPD and they have colleagues that share the views posted in that racist blog. DH's detective friends told him NOT to join the NYPD after he got out of the military because of racism and the blue wall of silence - which requires all officers to support the NYPD in all situations.

Blogs like that one are the reason I fear for the life of my husband, father, brother and other male relatives daily. My husband is stopped constantly simply because he is driving a Mercedes E 320.....presumably "too nice" so he must be a criminal since he also has dreadlocks. He is never ticketed and all the paperwork is always in order.

The perception that minorities commit the majority of crime in this country is a joke. I majored in criminal justice and studied all of this. Nobody ever mentions the number of times a non-minority is arrested but does not have to go through the system for whatever reason i.e., family member called in a favor, cop knew the person or the family and gave the person a pass, the person had no rap sheet so they get a pass (typically more than one pass since they did not get processed the first time), they are presumed innocent because they are not a minority etc.

Racial profiling is alive and well and we all have heard the stories of minorities being disproportionately stopped and searched. In one study of the NJ Turnpike it was found that while African Americans made up 13.5 percent of highway users and 15 percent of the speeders, they represented 35 percent of those stopped by police. My husband was stopped on the NJ Turnpike at least 20 times all by white officers and he was NEVER ticketed. DH was even stopped by the same officer twice in the same week and DH reminded him that he already was stopped that same week and DH told the officer all about the officers military duty stations since they had discussed it earlier in the week when DH was stopped. All of this since DH was driving his Mercedes CLK 430 and presumed to be a criminal.

Because of racial profiling minorities are more often processed and sentenced so of course the numbers are skewed. That does not mean minorites commit more crime it just means they are more often caught since minorites are always looked upon as a suspect. I know that I have personally been followed around a high end store or two (or 10) and as a suspect as if I were going to steal something. Meanwhile the real shoplifters are getting away with thousands in merchandise. I'm shocked that Winona Ryder was even processed for shoplifting - then again she is a celebrity so that was sensationalized.

There have been tons of studies on this and several by minorities who are so fair skinned that they are thought to be white. One very fair skinned Black man (saw this on t.v. recently) said he and another darker Black friend were stopped for a search while walking in their neighborhood late night. Not sure if there was even probable caused but the fair skinned man was not searched or handcuffed at all while his much darker friend was cuffed and questioned just for walking in their own neighborhood.

I'm amazed at all of this racial bias since I know several white men and women who were released without processing for various crimes including possession of cocaine. My own personal revelation came when my African American cousin was murdered at age 18 by a 17 year old WHITE kid (and former friend) who fled GA and came to NYC to only be arrested for trying to rob a woman at knifepoint. That incident did not make the paper though - at least not the NYC paper. And nobody ever mentioned the kid was white but had it been a minority criminal it would have been all over the news as "typical Black on Black crime".

The cops are the first stop in the system and if they are biased in arresting minorites more often then of course when the case gets to an ADA the person is more likely to be a minority - hence the numbers are skewed so it appears that minorites commit more crime when its just NOT TRUE.

The media perpetuates much of the racial bias in this country. It makes the paper more often when a crime is committed by a minority. It's front page news. Just like when a police officer does something heroic it's on page 6 at the bottom rather than front page news This entire situation is sad for all involved.

I am not sure I understand the point you are trying to make with this post.

Message edited 11/28/2006 1:57:24 PM.

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

profiling, in and of itself, is not necessarily a bad thing in police work. it is done to track all different kinds of crime (rapists, serial killers and the like)

it is done based on statistics...AND at times, on predjudice.

I come from a mixed race family, I have seen both sides of the coin...neither is easy, neither is pretty.

do I have certain predisposed notions..yeah, and I carry them equally across the racial and gender spectrum. but I am not ruled by them, and I try to draw my conclusion based on what I know to be fact, not conjecture.

Re: It's funny how "hot topics" bring out the worst in people...

Posted by Eva Luna

Posted by HollaGirl

Posted by MrsT

Although it's now pulled that thread was one of the most disgraceful threads I have seen since I began posting on any of the Bridal Planner Group chat boards.

50 shots were fired at those men with no return gun fire. Although it takes about 1 minute to discharge 31 rounds from a 9 mm handgun (trigger must be pulled since its not an automatic weapon) 1 minute is a LONG TIME to be caught in a hail of bullets.

Just because a man was out at 4 a.m. at a strip club with potential hookers on his wedding day does not mean he deserved to die - criminal record or not. His choice (or his friends choice) of bachelor party locations also does not make him a bad person. I realize that an officer was struck by a moving vehicle but even that does not make it okay to discharge 50 rounds into a moving car when there is no return fire. And even the NYPD stated that its against police policy to shoot at a moving vehicle when only the vehicle is being used as the weapon (no gun). People familiar with weapons (military mostly) fire several rounds then stop to assess the situation. I am sure the NYPD trains it's officers in a similar fashion.

As for the criminal histories of those involved, for some reason learning that a person has a criminal history always gets brought out after the police murder a person and that seems to calm people And when the person has a stellar past and is college bound or something similar everyone is in an uproar. Why is the person with a criminal record cast aside as if that life is worthless Everyone makes mistakes in life.

The NYPD Rant blog is some of the most racist, unsupported information I have seen. I honestly hope that none of these bigots work in any of our communities although sadly I'm sure some of them do. DH has several friends - Black male friends - that are detectives for the NYPD and they have colleagues that share the views posted in that racist blog. DH's detective friends told him NOT to join the NYPD after he got out of the military because of racism and the blue wall of silence - which requires all officers to support the NYPD in all situations.

Blogs like that one are the reason I fear for the life of my husband, father, brother and other male relatives daily. My husband is stopped constantly simply because he is driving a Mercedes E 320.....presumably "too nice" so he must be a criminal since he also has dreadlocks. He is never ticketed and all the paperwork is always in order.

The perception that minorities commit the majority of crime in this country is a joke. I majored in criminal justice and studied all of this. Nobody ever mentions the number of times a non-minority is arrested but does not have to go through the system for whatever reason i.e., family member called in a favor, cop knew the person or the family and gave the person a pass, the person had no rap sheet so they get a pass (typically more than one pass since they did not get processed the first time), they are presumed innocent because they are not a minority etc.

Racial profiling is alive and well and we all have heard the stories of minorities being disproportionately stopped and searched. In one study of the NJ Turnpike it was found that while African Americans made up 13.5 percent of highway users and 15 percent of the speeders, they represented 35 percent of those stopped by police. My husband was stopped on the NJ Turnpike at least 20 times all by white officers and he was NEVER ticketed. DH was even stopped by the same officer twice in the same week and DH reminded him that he already was stopped that same week and DH told the officer all about the officers military duty stations since they had discussed it earlier in the week when DH was stopped. All of this since DH was driving his Mercedes CLK 430 and presumed to be a criminal.

Because of racial profiling minorities are more often processed and sentenced so of course the numbers are skewed. That does not mean minorites commit more crime it just means they are more often caught since minorites are always looked upon as a suspect. I know that I have personally been followed around a high end store or two (or 10) and as a suspect as if I were going to steal something. Meanwhile the real shoplifters are getting away with thousands in merchandise. I'm shocked that Winona Ryder was even processed for shoplifting - then again she is a celebrity so that was sensationalized.

There have been tons of studies on this and several by minorities who are so fair skinned that they are thought to be white. One very fair skinned Black man (saw this on t.v. recently) said he and another darker Black friend were stopped for a search while walking in their neighborhood late night. Not sure if there was even probable caused but the fair skinned man was not searched or handcuffed at all while his much darker friend was cuffed and questioned just for walking in their own neighborhood.

I'm amazed at all of this racial bias since I know several white men and women who were released without processing for various crimes including possession of cocaine. My own personal revelation came when my African American cousin was murdered at age 18 by a 17 year old WHITE kid (and former friend) who fled GA and came to NYC to only be arrested for trying to rob a woman at knifepoint. That incident did not make the paper though - at least not the NYC paper. And nobody ever mentioned the kid was white but had it been a minority criminal it would have been all over the news as "typical Black on Black crime".

The cops are the first stop in the system and if they are biased in arresting minorites more often then of course when the case gets to an ADA the person is more likely to be a minority - hence the numbers are skewed so it appears that minorites commit more crime when its just NOT TRUE.

The media perpetuates much of the racial bias in this country. It makes the paper more often when a crime is committed by a minority. It's front page news. Just like when a police officer does something heroic it's on page 6 at the bottom rather than front page news This entire situation is sad for all involved.

I am not sure I understand the point you are trying to make with this post.

How could this extremely well written post be any clearer?

I don't think any words were missed.

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I have a word to say on profiling. I live in an area that many(who don't live there) would consider mixed or lower income. I grew up in Commack and never once did police do registratuion or inspection checks. Not ONCE!! I have lived on the border of Central Islip(Village of Islandia) for 3 years and have seen 15-20 of these checks on Old Nichols Road. My husband and I feel that because this is a "lower income" area that the police are specifically targeting these vehicles and drivers.

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I didnt say I didn't get what she wrote, just not getting the point. White people suck? ok, got it.

Is that what you got out of that?

That's so very sad.

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