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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
I know the truth is the truth, but I guess it may be hurtful for people who live there, who are "not" like the reptuation of the town to hear. I am sure if they had it any other way they would not want things the way the are. In addition, I guess they feel the only way for things to turn around is for new people to come and buy there, which likely won't happen when people learn the truth. It's a bad situation to be in, I am sure. I think we can stick to the facts without blantantly trying to hurt people's feelings.
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Posted by HeatherRose
and those first 2 have been on the market a long time and that's just assuming that is the first lisiting of them
2207864=177 days
2187236=247 days
both these have Owner Financing....you don't see that often
first one - that is the first listing
second one- doesn't come up in public records
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mavaesq
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
To answer your questions:
The homes are worth less because the area as a whole has declined. I agree that there are issues in those towns - in fact I have never stated otherwise.
I know how those towns are viewed by others, and since I lived there as a child I though I would post on some of the positives that the towns have to offer (out of respect for those who currently live their, manage to raise their families their and keep their children out of trouble, and those who own businesses out there).
I know nothing about the school district being labeled as "one of the worst on LI" Is this true? Personally, I graduated from Wm. Floyd and have led a more than successful life, as have all of my friends.
Maybe you are right about the SD - I don't know....to me the reputation is just unfortunate for the nice people living in those areas.
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
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HMM These dont look two cheap.... maybe you guys have ALOT of money and that is why you say the houses there are all low priced Refer to MLS Number 2207864 and 2187236 oh and just for kicks, one on the water 2250761
Your logic is flawed. Just because there are a couple of nice houses on the water doesn't mean the area as a whole isn't crappy.
Mine is? I think you should look in the mirror since you are generalizing an entire location because of some issues. Give me a break.
Some issues? There is gang violence, a large amount of sex offenders, a less than desirable school district, higher crime and poverty in that area. While there may be some parts that are nice, but the area AS A WHOLE is not somewhere I would want to live.
One good for you and two wake up everywhere has this !!!!!! Especially now in the worst economy ever! Gang violence is everywhere, maybe you just don't realize that????!!!!
I guess you live in one of these towns?
Negative. I am just more open minded than you.
In all seriousness, why so hostile? Why resort to name calling? She isnt making stuff up, it is just fact, there is an actual suffolk county safety intiative specifically for the Shirely/Mastic area set up by Steve Levy to address the SAFETY/CRIME/VIOLENCE concerns OF MASTICS RESIDENTS.
The entire topics is hostile. I am just stating my point as you are yours. I know many other towns that are high end and have heard horror stories from that area. I understand the op asked about location but you can not say it's terrible just because of your experience.
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
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HMM These dont look two cheap.... maybe you guys have ALOT of money and that is why you say the houses there are all low priced Refer to MLS Number 2207864 and 2187236 oh and just for kicks, one on the water 2250761
Those are waterfront properties which will sell for $$$$ regardless of where they are located. People that have that kind of cash are most likely sending their kids to private school.
There are equivalent waterfront properties in Amityville, and most likely those parents are sending their kids to private school as well since the Amityville SD is pretty much just as bad as William Floyd.
I knew it would only be a matter of time before Amityville got thrown into the mix...
When people say "bad" school district- it basically comes down to race and class of people.. why don't people in Amityville send their kids to the school system? Because they don't want their affluent kids rubbing shoulders with kids that aren't like them (whether that be from a race persepective.. or class perspective- it's both).
So- to insulate their children, they send their kids to private schools- where they pay for educations that aren't as good as what they'd get in the public school system.
And the only reason why I say that is b/c I live in Amityville - I have a daughter and have just made the choice to send DD to public school next year (she's currently enrolled in Catholic school- but the school doesn't have the funding or resources that the public school has).
Maybe people will think we're crazy.. but honestly, I think it's completely unrealistic to continue to separate and segregate our child from the other people that live in her community. I would like to think that maybe I wouldn't have been so hesitant with my decision had I gone to school in a district more representative of the actual world- (i went to Massapequa, where not one African American student attended but a district that now has a major drug problem- hence PP's comment that many "nice" areas had their detriments, too).
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
Posted by mavaesq
To answer your questions:
The homes are worth less because the area as a whole has declined. I agree that there are issues in those towns - in fact I have never stated otherwise.
I know how those towns are viewed by others, and since I lived there as a child I though I would post on some of the positives that the towns have to offer (out of respect for those who currently live their, manage to raise their families their and keep their children out of trouble, and those who own businesses out there).
I know nothing about the school district being labeled as "one of the worst on LI" Is this true? Personally, I graduated from Wm. Floyd and have led a more than successful life, as have all of my friends.
Maybe you are right about the SD - I don't know....to me the reputation is just unfortunate for the nice people living in those areas.
I feel your pain- a lot of people "poop" on an area just looking at the school statistics and socio-economic mix of the town- without having any first-hand experience re: living their.. I get this with Amityville ALL the time..
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
Posted by Goobster
I know the truth is the truth, but I guess it may be hurtful for people who live there, who are "not" like the reptuation of the town to hear. I am sure if they had it any other way they would not want things the way the are. In addition, I guess they feel the only way for things to turn around is for new people to come and buy there, which likely won't happen when people learn the truth. It's a bad situation to be in, I am sure. I think we can stick to the facts without blantantly trying to hurt people's feelings.
I don't anyone on here who blantantly is trying to hurt people's feelings. We are just stating the facts, trying to help the poster who asked a question.
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hazeleyes33
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
Posted by mavaesq
To answer your questions:
The homes are worth less because the area as a whole has declined. I agree that there are issues in those towns - in fact I have never stated otherwise.
I know how those towns are viewed by others, and since I lived there as a child I though I would post on some of the positives that the towns have to offer (out of respect for those who currently live their, manage to raise their families their and keep their children out of trouble, and those who own businesses out there).
I know nothing about the school district being labeled as "one of the worst on LI" Is this true? Personally, I graduated from Wm. Floyd and have led a more than successful life, as have all of my friends.
Maybe you are right about the SD - I don't know....to me the reputation is just unfortunate for the nice people living in those areas.
Thanks.
I don't agree though that the area has declined recently. Like I said, my dh's family lived there 20 yrs. ago and I really do not see much of a difference.
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mavaesq
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
Exactly what I've been trying to say from the beginning!
The town is definetly not what it was when I lived there....and it's unfortunate!
Perhaps if some nice people moved into the town, actually cared about it, raised taxes, and kicked out the filth - the town would revive. Maybe I'm a dreamer.....
Just trying to stick up for the family and friends who live there and are fantastic people.
I know initially Kim asked for advice about the area....I just think the convo evolved into something else.
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
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HMM These dont look two cheap.... maybe you guys have ALOT of money and that is why you say the houses there are all low priced Refer to MLS Number 2207864 and 2187236 oh and just for kicks, one on the water 2250761
Your logic is flawed. Just because there are a couple of nice houses on the water doesn't mean the area as a whole isn't crappy.
Mine is? I think you should look in the mirror since you are generalizing an entire location because of some issues. Give me a break.
Some issues? There is gang violence, a large amount of sex offenders, a less than desirable school district, higher crime and poverty in that area. While there may be some parts that are nice, but the area AS A WHOLE is not somewhere I would want to live.
One good for you and two wake up everywhere has this !!!!!! Especially now in the worst economy ever! Gang violence is everywhere, maybe you just don't realize that????!!!!
I guess you live in one of these towns?
Negative. I am just more open minded than you.
In all seriousness, why so hostile? Why resort to name calling? She isnt making stuff up, it is just fact, there is an actual suffolk county safety intiative specifically for the Shirely/Mastic area set up by Steve Levy to address the SAFETY/CRIME/VIOLENCE concerns OF MASTICS RESIDENTS.
The entire topics is hostile. I am just stating my point as you are yours. I know many other towns that are high end and have heard horror stories from that area. I understand the op asked about location but you can not say it's terrible just because of your experience.
It is just not HER experience. It is a bunch of posters and reasons like the site she attached.
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mavaesq
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
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Posted by mavaesq
To answer your questions:
The homes are worth less because the area as a whole has declined. I agree that there are issues in those towns - in fact I have never stated otherwise.
I know how those towns are viewed by others, and since I lived there as a child I though I would post on some of the positives that the towns have to offer (out of respect for those who currently live their, manage to raise their families their and keep their children out of trouble, and those who own businesses out there).
I know nothing about the school district being labeled as "one of the worst on LI" Is this true? Personally, I graduated from Wm. Floyd and have led a more than successful life, as have all of my friends.
Maybe you are right about the SD - I don't know....to me the reputation is just unfortunate for the nice people living in those areas.
Thanks.
I don't agree though that the area has declined recently. Like I said, my dh's family lived there 20 yrs. ago and I really do not see much of a difference.
Well I lived there 15 years ago and there is a MAJOR difference.
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hazeleyes33
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
Posted by mavaesq
Exactly what I've been trying to say from the beginning!
The town is definetly not what it was when I lived there....and it's unfortunate!
Perhaps if some nice people moved into the town, actually cared about it, raised taxes, and kicked out the filth - the town would revive. Maybe I'm a dreamer.....
Just trying to stick up for the family and friends who live there and are fantastic people.
I know initially Kim asked for advice about the area....I just think the convo evolved into something else.
Maybe you were in contact with some "good" people back then but as I said before, this was 20 yrs. ago that I experienced the town and it was not a desirable place back then.
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
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HMM These dont look two cheap.... maybe you guys have ALOT of money and that is why you say the houses there are all low priced Refer to MLS Number 2207864 and 2187236 oh and just for kicks, one on the water 2250761
Your logic is flawed. Just because there are a couple of nice houses on the water doesn't mean the area as a whole isn't crappy.
Mine is? I think you should look in the mirror since you are generalizing an entire location because of some issues. Give me a break.
Some issues? There is gang violence, a large amount of sex offenders, a less than desirable school district, higher crime and poverty in that area. While there may be some parts that are nice, but the area AS A WHOLE is not somewhere I would want to live.
One good for you and two wake up everywhere has this !!!!!! Especially now in the worst economy ever! Gang violence is everywhere, maybe you just don't realize that????!!!!
I guess you live in one of these towns?
Negative. I am just more open minded than you.
In all seriousness, why so hostile? Why resort to name calling? She isnt making stuff up, it is just fact, there is an actual suffolk county safety intiative specifically for the Shirely/Mastic area set up by Steve Levy to address the SAFETY/CRIME/VIOLENCE concerns OF MASTICS RESIDENTS.
The entire topics is hostile. I am just stating my point as you are yours. I know many other towns that are high end and have heard horror stories from that area. I understand the op asked about location but you can not say it's terrible just because of your experience.
 OMG, its FACT, look at school rankings, look up crime statistics, for the 100th time SUFFOLK COUNTY ACTUALLY FORMED A TASK FORCE to address crime/safety/violence AT THE REQUEST OF SHIRLEY/MASTIC residents to help them rid the area of it.
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
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Posted by kokopelia
HMM These dont look two cheap.... maybe you guys have ALOT of money and that is why you say the houses there are all low priced Refer to MLS Number 2207864 and 2187236 oh and just for kicks, one on the water 2250761
Those are waterfront properties which will sell for $$$$ regardless of where they are located. People that have that kind of cash are most likely sending their kids to private school.
There are equivalent waterfront properties in Amityville, and most likely those parents are sending their kids to private school as well since the Amityville SD is pretty much just as bad as William Floyd.
I knew it would only be a matter of time before Amityville got thrown into the mix...
When people say "bad" school district- it basically comes down to race and class of people.. why don't people in Amityville send their kids to the school system? Because they don't want their affluent kids rubbing shoulders with kids that aren't like them (whether that be from a race persepective.. or class perspective- it's both).
So- to insulate their children, they send their kids to private schools- where they pay for educations that aren't as good as what they'd get in the public school system.
And the only reason why I say that is b/c I live in Amityville - I have a daughter and have just made the choice to send DD to public school next year (she's currently enrolled in Catholic school- but the school doesn't have the funding or resources that the public school has).
Maybe people will think we're crazy.. but honestly, I think it's completely unrealistic to continue to separate and segregate our child from the other people that live in her community. I would like to think that maybe I wouldn't have been so hesitant with my decision had I gone to school in a district more representative of the actual world- (i went to Massapequa, where not one African American student attended but a district that now has a major drug problem- hence PP's comment that many "nice" areas had their detriments, too).
you know I went through Amityville public schools and you know why my parents took me out? I was assulted in 6th grade by a 16 year old girl. she beat the living crap out me!! I was in the hospital for a week. She had been picking on me all year. my mother was at the school every other day complaining to the principal that this girl was pulling my hair and pushing me around calling me a white cracker, and a ton of other things I could never post on here. the school did nothing about it. I was the minority being the "white" girl in that school. The girl had a ton of emotional problems and it came out in court that her uncle was rapping her and beating her in her home. No matter what, that was not a reason to do what she did to me. But there are to many kids in that district in the same situation as her, or are surrounded by drugs and violance. you would NEVER see this happen in most districts on LI.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE amityville, I will actually be back there tonight to have dinner with my grandpa. But I would NEVER send my children to that school district after everything I went through and from the people I keep in touch with, it has only gotten worse.
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hazeleyes33
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OMG, its FACT, look at school rankings, look up crime statistics, for the 100th time SUFFOLK COUNTY ACTUALLY FORMED A TASK FORCE to address crime/safety/violence AT THE REQUEST OF SHIRLEY/MASTIC residents to help them rid the area of it.
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
Wohhhhhaaaa!
Thank you all for being so passionate about the area  I am truly glad I posted this I also linked it so my DH could read your responces.
We don't want to make a decsion that is rash, and really received some good feedback.
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Posted by HeatherRose
you know I went through Amityville public schools and you know why my parents took me out? I was assulted in 6th grade by a 16 year old girl. she beat the living crap out me!! I was in the hospital for a week. She had been picking on me all year. my mother was at the school every other day complaining to the principal that this girl was pulling my hair and pushing me around calling me a white cracker, and a ton of other things I could never post on here. the school did nothing about it. I was the minority being the "white" girl in that school. The girl had a ton of emotional problems and it came out in court that her uncle was rapping her and beating her in her home. No matter what, that was not a reason to do what she did to me. But there are to many kids in that district in the same situation as her, or are surrounded by drugs and violance. you would NEVER see this happen in most districts on LI.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE amityville, I will actually be back there tonight to have dinner with my grandpa. But I would NEVER send my children to that school district after everything I went through and from the people I keep in touch with, it has only gotten worse.
How terrible Heather. I agree, no one should pay the price for others miseries.
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Sassyz75
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
Posted by HeatherRose
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Posted by ave1024
Posted by kokopelia
HMM These dont look two cheap.... maybe you guys have ALOT of money and that is why you say the houses there are all low priced Refer to MLS Number 2207864 and 2187236 oh and just for kicks, one on the water 2250761
Those are waterfront properties which will sell for $$$$ regardless of where they are located. People that have that kind of cash are most likely sending their kids to private school.
There are equivalent waterfront properties in Amityville, and most likely those parents are sending their kids to private school as well since the Amityville SD is pretty much just as bad as William Floyd.
I knew it would only be a matter of time before Amityville got thrown into the mix...
When people say "bad" school district- it basically comes down to race and class of people.. why don't people in Amityville send their kids to the school system? Because they don't want their affluent kids rubbing shoulders with kids that aren't like them (whether that be from a race persepective.. or class perspective- it's both).
So- to insulate their children, they send their kids to private schools- where they pay for educations that aren't as good as what they'd get in the public school system.
And the only reason why I say that is b/c I live in Amityville - I have a daughter and have just made the choice to send DD to public school next year (she's currently enrolled in Catholic school- but the school doesn't have the funding or resources that the public school has).
Maybe people will think we're crazy.. but honestly, I think it's completely unrealistic to continue to separate and segregate our child from the other people that live in her community. I would like to think that maybe I wouldn't have been so hesitant with my decision had I gone to school in a district more representative of the actual world- (i went to Massapequa, where not one African American student attended but a district that now has a major drug problem- hence PP's comment that many "nice" areas had their detriments, too).
you know I went through Amityville public schools and you know why my parents took me out? I was assulted in 6th grade by a 16 year old girl. she beat the living crap out me!! I was in the hospital for a week. She had been picking on me all year. my mother was at the school every other day complaining to the principal that this girl was pulling my hair and pushing me around calling me a white cracker, and a ton of other things I could never post on here. the school did nothing about it. I was the minority being the "white" girl in that school. The girl had a ton of emotional problems and it came out in court that her uncle was rapping her and beating her in her home. No matter what, that was not a reason to do what she did to me. But there are to many kids in that district in the same situation as her, or are surrounded by drugs and violance. you would NEVER see this happen in most districts on LI.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE amityville, I will actually be back there tonight to have dinner with my grandpa. But I would NEVER send my children to that school district after everything I went through and from the people I keep in touch with, it has only gotten worse.
Maybe if the well-off people in the district actually sent their kids to the school, the school would actually get better.. by keeping the children of priviledge out it hurts the entire district.. because instead of the district getting "raised up" by the "good" students- it gets pulled down by the "bad".
I'm sorry for what happened to you, really.. I am- but honestly, I hang out in the library w/ my kids and meet lots of children that go to the district and I would hate to think that all the children that attend are like the disturbed 16 year old that attacked you.
Heck- maybe I'm wrong.. maybe I'll eventually have to pull out my DD- I hope I won't.. we'll see what happens.
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
Posted by Sassyz75
Maybe if the well-off people in the district actually sent their kids to the school, the school would actually get better.. by keeping the children of priviledge out it hurts the entire district.. because instead of the district getting "raised up" by the "good" students- it gets pulled down by the "bad".
I'm sorry for what happened to you, really.. I am- but honestly, I hang out in the library w/ my kids and meet lots of children that go to the district and I would hate to think that all the children that attend are like the disturbed 16 year old that attacked you.
Heck- maybe I'm wrong.. maybe I'll eventually have to pull out my DD- I hope I won't.. we'll see what happens.
its very true. My mom was president of the PTA for years, my sister graduated from there, we really tried. eventually we moved out of the area because private school was a lot of money, and my parents wanted us to go to public. I hope your daughter can stay there, its a very diverse school that will help her later in life. I just had a bad experience.
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Posted by Sassyz75
I feel your pain- a lot of people "poop" on an area just looking at the school statistics and socio-economic mix of the town- without having any first-hand experience re: living their.. I get this with Amityville ALL the time..
Yes but you can't deny that Amityville is "rough" (as described by the above poster's story). Maybe not the grammar school, but definitely the high school. I'll be curious to see if your view about Amityville would be the same when your DD turns 13.
The idea of "maybe if the affluent family started sending their kids to the district...... etc"... is never realistically going to happen.
I would put Amityville and W.F. SD in the same class as Brentwood. And a third grader just showed up in Brentwood with a loaded gun. That pretty much tells the entire story right there.
Like I said above, I would have a hard time picking out 10 (maybe even 5) SDs out of all of Long Island that I would consider "worse" than W.F. or Amityville.
Maybe saying W.F. is one of the "worst" districts is not a good example. I'll change it then. I'll just say at least 95% of the other districts in Long Island are "better".
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Sassyz75
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
Posted by ave1024
Posted by Sassyz75
I feel your pain- a lot of people "poop" on an area just looking at the school statistics and socio-economic mix of the town- without having any first-hand experience re: living their.. I get this with Amityville ALL the time..
Yes but you can't deny that Amityville is "rough" (as described by the above poster's story). Maybe not the grammar school, but definitely the high school. I'll be curious to see if your view about Amityville would be the same when your DD turns 13.
The idea of "maybe if the affluent family started sending their kids to the district...... etc"... is never realistically going to happen.
I would put Amityville and W.F. SD in the same class as Brentwood. And a third grader just showed up in Brentwood with a loaded gun. That pretty much tells the entire story right there.
Like I said above, I would have a hard time picking out 10 (maybe even 5) SDs out of all of Long Island that I would consider "worse" than W.F. or Amityville.
Maybe saying W.F. is one of the "worst" districts is not a good example. I'll change it then. I'll just say at least 95% of the other districts in Long Island are "better".
Right- I'm not saying other SD aren't classified as being better.. but why are they better..
it's because they aren't majority non-white and they aren't from a lower socio-economic class.
On Long Island- THAT is what defines good vs. bad..
It's b/c children in the lower socio-economic classes don't have two parents at home.. or maybe any parents- maybe their parents are too busy working 2 or 3 jobs to give their kids the attention they need and it falls on the school.. Maybe their parents never graduationed HS and don't realize the importance of education..
And it's a shame.. b/c in Amityville there are very wealthy people.. far more wealthy than their counterparts in Massapequa, say.. that send their children to get sub-standard educations for fear that they mix with races and socio-economic groups that aren't the same. If these parents would send their kids- it would make a HUGE difference for all of us!
As I mentioned, I've been sending DD to catholic pre-school and I realized Amityville has public pre-K- which is where I'll be sending her. I'm afraid if I continue to send her to Catholic school she'll wind up behind if we ever move and transition her back to a public education (we currently rent).
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ave1024
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
Posted by Sassyz75
Right- I'm not saying other SD aren't classified as being better.. but why are they better..
it's because they aren't majority non-white and they aren't from a lower socio-economic class.
On Long Island- THAT is what defines good vs. bad..
And it's a shame.. b/c in Amityville there are very wealthy people.. far more wealthy than their counterparts in Massapequa, say.. that send their children to get sub-standard educations for fear that they mix with races and socio-economic groups that aren't the same.
I don't think it's just race. W.F. is far more white than Amityville, yet I would consider them more or less on the same level.
You frequently used the term "sub standard" education. How are you coming to a conclusion that you are getting a sub standard education in a private school as opposed to going to Amityville? Are you solely basing this on the lact of diversification? Diversification can be taught outside of school. Going to the local park or gym can give you diversification. Just curious.
ETA: corrected some of my "sub standard" grammar 
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Sassyz75
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
Posted by ave1024
Posted by Sassyz75
Right- I'm not saying other SD aren't classified as being better.. but why are they better..
it's because they aren't majority non-white and they aren't from a lower socio-economic class.
On Long Island- THAT is what defines good vs. bad..
And it's a shame.. b/c in Amityville there are very wealthy people.. far more wealthy than their counterparts in Massapequa, say.. that send their children to get sub-standard educations for fear that they mix with races and socio-economic groups that aren't the same.
I don't think it's just race. W.F. is far more white than Amityville, yet I would consider them more or less on the same level.
You frequently used the term "sub standard" education. How are you coming to a conclusion that you are getting a sub standard education in a private school as opposed to going to Amityville? Are you solely basing this on the lact of diversification? Diversification can be taught outside of school. Going to the local park or gym can give you diversification. Just curious.
ETA: corrected some of my "sub standard" grammar
Not just race- please look at my posts I always say it's race and socio-economic class.. it's race AND class both...
Anyway- since we've moved to Amityville about 1 1/2 years ago I've spoken to every parent I've come into contact with re: school choice, etc.
One parent had children at the Catholic school where I send DD to pre-school, and he pulled his kids and put them in Copiague as they were falling so terribly behind, getting poor grades, etc... I feel that at least this particular Catholic school doesn't have the academic standards that the public schools have.
I also know that the school doesn't receive the same level of funding as the public schools do. The private school I'm referring to asks parishoners for old computer donations for the school (meaning, if you're getting a new one, donate your old crummy one to the school for the kids to use).
With that said, a lot of parents send their children two towns over- apparently St. William the Abbot has one of the better schools in the area vs. St. Martins and St. Rose of Lima. Grace Day is teeny tiny- they don't even have an 8th grade this year and many of the grades only have 12 to 15 children total (talk about culture shock when you go to HS).
Another thing that bothers me is the exposure to the arts- when I was in 4th grade I got to pick an instrument from almost any possible wind, string or percussion- in our local Catholic School that can't be done.. in Amityville it can. There is also no choice in lanuage- only Spanish.. no other choices such as French (Amityville you choose between Spanish and French... although other districts often have 3.. at least there's choice).
I just have a hard time sending my kid to a school where she won't have what I had- hardly any arts exposure being the MAIN sticking point (my mother is a professional jazz musician and Maddie has already shown such interest in this- to not have it supported in school as well as home would be tragic).
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ave1024
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
Posted by Sassyz75
Not just race- please look at my posts I always say it's race and socio-economic class.. it's race AND class both...
Anyway- since we've moved to Amityville about 1 1/2 years ago I've spoken to every parent I've come into contact with re: school choice, etc.
One parent had children at the Catholic school where I send DD to pre-school, and he pulled his kids and put them in Copiague as they were falling so terribly behind, getting poor grades, etc... I feel that at least this particular Catholic school doesn't have the academic standards that the public schools have.
I also know that the school doesn't receive the same level of funding as the public schools do. The private school I'm referring to asks parishoners for old computer donations for the school (meaning, if you're getting a new one, donate your old crummy one to the school for the kids to use).
With that said, a lot of parents send their children two towns over- apparently St. William the Abbot has one of the better schools in the area vs. St. Martins and St. Rose of Lima. Grace Day is teeny tiny- they don't even have an 8th grade this year and many of the grades only have 12 to 15 children total (talk about culture shock when you go to HS).
Another thing that bothers me is the exposure to the arts- when I was in 4th grade I got to pick an instrument from almost any possible wind, string or percussion- in our local Catholic School that can't be done.. in Amityville it can. There is also no choice in lanuage- only Spanish.. no other choices such as French (Amityville you choose between Spanish and French... although other districts often have 3.. at least there's choice).
I just have a hard time sending my kid to a school where she won't have what I had- hardly any arts exposure being the MAIN sticking point (my mother is a professional jazz musician and Maddie has already shown such interest in this- to not have it supported in school as well as home would be tragic).
I can agree with the point regarding the arts. You probably won't also see much foreign language education until the later years as well.
I actually went to 16 years worth of catholic/private school. My parents sent me there because I grew up in the city and the public schools I would have went to were very rough. That was the decision they made, and I am very glad they did.
So I don't think you can say that you are guaranteed a "sub standard" education going to a private school. I think I turned out pretty well with my "private" education. Yes maybe if things were different and I went to public school I would have grown up to be a world famous pianist. But on the flip side I could have also grown up to be a crackhead and a street dealer.
Who knows. Looking back, I am glad they made those choices for me. If I want to take a violin class, i'll pay for one myself.
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rojerono
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Re: Mastic Beach, Shirley & Mastic Residents?
Ya know.. it's the back and forth posturing that causes the problem.
OP asked how you feel about the area. You don't like it - say that. Say why. You love it? Say that. Say why.
Why does anyone need to bolster their opinion by tearing down someone elses? I would like to think that's not the INTENT.. but it sure feels like it sometimes.
My opinion - for whatever it's worth - I don't like the area. We considered it before we bought our home. It was a totally personal thing. We went there, looked around (like Kelly suggested) and didn't get a good feeling. I'm not comfortable with the level of crime in the area and I didn't like what I saw in researching the SD. I did not want to buy a house in that area and chose a different one. Do I think people who like it are stupid? Nope. Everyone has different reasons for what they do and where they live. A friend of mine lives there (with her school aged children) and actually really likes it. We have different tastes and different desires.
Kim - Kelly gave great advice - go look around, get a feel for it and see if it matches what you want or don't want.
Good luck!
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