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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
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I do however agree that formula should NOT ever be offered at hospitals unless a mother/baby can not nurse for a medical reason.
So i should be forced to BF even if it makes me incredibly uncomfortable to have a human being sucking my on nipples?
Your statement really pisssed me off!
Oh wow...I just am reading through these posts...and this statement posted by Grill is really upsetting 
I love formula. I absolutely loved feeding my baby a bottle and not having to breastfeed. I wasn't very comfortable or happy doing it. I did it for a short time, and that was enough for me.
I think initiatives to HELP new moms learn how to breastfeed and the benefits are great...i think that there is so much help out there now for women who are starting to breastfeed and i applaud that.
But never ever ever in my life would I be OK with someone saying that women SHOULD DO IT unless there was a medical reason. That sickens me. And again, i'm only referring to grills comment here, not the original bloomberg issue.
As far as bloomberg goes, this whole thing makes him seem like a huge boob. 
I would like him to go through the trama of childbirth, start lactating, breastfeed successfully without resorting to any formula and only THEN comment. I would love to see that in action!
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Naturalmama
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
This is what I am getting out of this- Bloomberg wants to offer more support for new moms who want to give BF a try. I don't think that is so bad. As long a woman can ask for formula and receive it without getting bullied, I don't see this as being so horrible. I nursed my son for 14 months- just weaned him fully 2 weeks ago, but I supplemeted with formula from day 1. Bottom line, I think if a woman WANTS to breastfeed, then she should get all of the support she can, starting in the hospital. But if a woman is formula feeding- whether because her milk never came in, a medical issue, or she just plain doesn't want to, then she should get formula, no questions asked. With so many legit horrible parents out there today, how sad that a mother who is feeding her child a perfectly acceptable form of nutrition be bullied and made to feel horrible by others.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
I applaud Bloomberg especially if the percentage has increased as stated in the article. Wet Nurses have been around since the beginning of time to support those who had problems nursing. Formula was invented to be cheaper/easier way to feed a child then paying a wet nurse and has been around for only 100 years.
I believe many more woman would be successful and confident breast feeders if given the right support. From my experience the hospital did not help/believe/support my effort to BF until the day after DS was born when I requested the LC. The entire time they kept asking if I wanted to give him a bottle. His Dr told me BFing was for Amazon woman, I dropped her quick. I EBF/pumped for 10 months and was ready to throw in the towel on day 3 because my milk didn't come in.
Bloomberg is trying to offer the support that women need and I think this will start a whole new perspective in the medical community as well has a woman's own self confidence.
I do realize that there are many women who have issues BFing but this gives the women who didn't have BFing as an option the support to try it.
It is not making anybody do something they don't want.
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Kim7706
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Wow...not sure what to say about this!
I wanted to BF my son SOOO badly....and after my c section that wasnt planned...I didnt have the energy..and plus the milk wasnt in yet....I got pushed to BF...and i TRIED everything....I CRIED when I had to give my son the formula...but at that point...I had to do what was best for him and me.
Bloomberg should mind his own damn business ....there are plenty of signs and such telling NY'ers to BF....how much more does he want to control the city of NY...he makes me sick...but thats my opinion
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tara73
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Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
I think the education aspect is fantastic. My husband's grandmother and I have had a couple conversations about this and how much things have changed even during the times she was having her babies, what she saw with her grandkids (starting in 1980 up through 2006), and now great grandkids. She had 8 children, starting in the late 40's the last in 1967. We have been brainwashed as a society by the formula industry.
She told me that when formula came out, they told them that breast milk was inferior to formula. They also told mothers that only "poor" people breast fed, that formula feeding was "the way" for "upstanding" citizens to feed their children. She was also taught that it was dirty, not hygenic, and shameful and all that other stuff. Well, now we know that isn't the case but the formula industry has wormed it's way in via free gifts and hefty advertising budgets. We know formula isn't superior, that it isn't a dirty or shameful thing and certainly isn't lacking hygienically.
She actually thinks it is fantastic that mothers are being encouraged to nurse, even though she is appalled at nursing in public or in presence of men (shame, shame!)
So, if we start educating people that it isn't shameful, dirty and is good for baby, it will evolve and over time, bf will be the norm again. If we start supporting BF mothers via lactation counseling and pre and post natal education etc, more women will experience success. Ultimately, we need to find a way to have balance, so that no mother is made to feel guilty for feeding her child regardless if that child is fed with formula, breast milk or a combination in any form.
I am mixed about the access issue, but also feel that people shouldn't be leaving with a 3 month supply of formula, diapers etc. You had a child, you should support the child, including nutritionally. People who are eligible for WIC and have had prenatal care usually have this set up already by the time they deliver. There are very few people who will truly have a gap to be filled. I do think that we need big pharmaceuticals out of our maternity wards and OB offices though.
Also, for anyone who is really made to feel uncomfortable about their choice (FF or BF), you don't have to stay in the hospital in most cases. They have a required amount of time they have to LET you stay, but there is no law which says you can't leave after a normal delivery. Obviously, signing yourself out 1 day after a c section or a dleivery with complications isn't a bright idea.
Personally, I would like to see parents mandated to take a car seat safety course over this. More kids are dying and suffering major injuries in car accidents than from formula use.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Bloomberg is a self righteous SOB! But that is just my humble opinion of him So nothing that comes out of the whole in his face surprises me!! What does surprise me is the constant bickering and debating that women have with this BF/FF debate. Whatever happened to doing what is best for you and your child and not dictating to others what you think is best. I did both and it worked well. My BF EBF her child and my other friend FF. You know what, all our children are doing just fine!! Women need to stop being so catty and putting in their two cents on how others should feed their children. Support new mothers on the choice that they are making rather than telling them what they should do.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Why doesn't Bloomberg's next initiative be telling men that have erectile dysfunction that Viagra/ Cialis are not going to be offered because "studies" show ED can be caused by stress/weight gain so live more healthy and they will have a better sex life! Highly doubt that would go over too well
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Grill even suggested using ANOTHER mother's milk. Now I know this went on back in the day....I understand and know about the wet nurse thing. But for me. IMO, for me...I think that's INSANITY to be so obsessed with breastfeeding that in THIS day and age someone who COULD use formula would choose another mother's milk. For me personally, I could and would never make that choice. I dont care if the BM or mom was tested for diseases or drugs. You just never know, why take that chance.
The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends the following for newborn/infant nutrition (in order of optimization...from most optimal to least optimal):
1. Direct Breastmilk from Mother
2. Pumped/Expressed Milk From Mother
3. Milk from Another Mother
4. Formula
So, please Goobster...please. I am not spouting my opinion here. I am emphatically stating what is known to be true and what is recommended from the medical community that helps to guide all of our choices. Again...you want to FF, I truly don't care and don't judge. Just own that it is sub-optimal food for your offspring. This "Baby Friendly" Initiative is making Newborn Nutrition more a matter of public health than individual choice. And in that context (and others), BFing is the more conscientious method.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
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Grill even suggested using ANOTHER mother's milk. Now I know this went on back in the day....I understand and know about the wet nurse thing. But for me. IMO, for me...I think that's INSANITY to be so obsessed with breastfeeding that in THIS day and age someone who COULD use formula would choose another mother's milk. For me personally, I could and would never make that choice. I dont care if the BM or mom was tested for diseases or drugs. You just never know, why take that chance.
The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends the following for newborn/infant nutrition (in order of optimization...from most optimal to least optimal):
1. Direct Breastmilk from Mother
2. Pumped/Expressed Milk From Mother
3. Milk from Another Mother
4. Formula
So, please Goobster...please. I am not spouting my opinion here. I am emphatically stating what is known to be true and what is recommended from the medical community that helps to guide all of our choices. Again...you want to FF, I truly don't care and don't judge. Just own that it is sub-optimal food for your offspring.
WOW!! Sub-optimal!! You must be a very special person!
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4PsInaPod
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Grill - It's sad. You could really be beneficial to people who may be struggling with deciding to FF or BF. You seem to know a lot about it & must have been successful but all of your knowledge and potential helpfulness just gets lost in how you "speak".
You say you are not judging but when you use words like "sub-optimal" food for your offspring, you don't see how that just comes out all wrong.
This thread did help to open my eyes about the initiative (doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with it) BUT instead of this thread having the potential it could've had. . you honestly ruined it with the way you speak.
(& I also just want to note that I don't agree with alll comments from others either)
I'm sure I'm  but I just can't help it. You have potential to educate but you just go about it ALL sorts of wrong.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Grill
Again...you want to FF, I truly don't care and don't judge. Just own that it is sub-optimal food for your offspring. This "Baby Friendly" Initiative is making Newborn Nutrition more a matter of public health than individual choice. And in that context (and others), BFing is the more conscientious method.
Seriously?! I seem to recall you telling us that moms who FF are not "MOTHERING" their babies. That sounded pretty judgemental to me.
I know how it is when you first give birth: you're exhausted, overwhelmed, hormonal, scared. I feel like it's really taking advantage of women in their most fragile moment to try to influence them either way. You want an initiative to increase the number of low-income women who bf? Try to get ob-gyns to do it before the baby is born.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
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Seriously this guy needs to get a grip. My kid, my body, my decision!
It's not his thing....he is encouraging the other hospitals to join Latch NY. There are already hospitals doing this.
forget it, not worth it
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I think that he should stay out of how a mother feeds her child, he's a politician. IMO he shouldn't be involved in this. I did in fact breastfeed my daughter it was my decision that doesn't make me any better then a mom who chose not/could not breastfeed.
??? i wrote something, thought better of it and edited my post to remove it.
I missed what you guys wrote because you deleted it all. I was NOT trying to start any drama with this above statement. I just wanted it to be clear that it is not HIS initiative, but that he is encouraging Latch NY since World Breast Feeding week and Latch week are upon us. That's all. I am truly sorry if what I said angered anyone. That was not my intention.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
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Posted by PeasandCarrots
The point I was trying to make is that we all feel a certain way about things and while I do not think Grill did a good job expressing herself is she not just as entitled to her opinion no matter how insane it sounds? What offends me is that in one breath we (I am being general here) slam people for what they say and then do the very same thing.
She is entitled to her opinion. I respect her opinion that breastfeeding is the better choice (in fact I agree with her that nutrionally speaking it generally is). But she could use a whole truckload of tact & tone down the sancti-mommy posts, no? The problem I see is it's a good message that gets lost because of the delivery.
I 100% agree with you on this and am in no way defending her delivery. I'm just saying that just as she is passionate about nursing others are just as anti-nursing and are not being tactful either at times. I see both sides of what people are saying, I do, but just because you feel different you don't have to be an a$$ to get your point across. That is for anybody, not just Grill.
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miabella
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
first of all of course its a MAN who made that comment .....i delivered at good sam ( a catholic hospital ) BIG on breast feeding ( pretty pushy if you ask me) i was in the hospital about a month early spent a week in hospital sent home on serious bed rest ended up having dd a month early ..she is beautiful healthy knock one wood not even a cold to speak of....i was VERY stresssed over the whole bed rest early delivery then her staying in nicu for a week i really wasnt into the breast feeding i tried to pump i just couldnt nurses ( the older ones were really pushy gave me a hard time and some fam members kinda were big on it ( more pressure) i think it is a womens choice and it isnt for everyone its not hurting anyone to bottle feed so screw bloomberg im gonna drink a travel keg of soda and formula feed my next child . last i saw we live in america and there are FAR MORE important issues that need to be dealt with stop picking the small petty sh!t and do your job or stop running and let someone else do it ....JUST SAYING :)
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by PeasandCarrots
Posted by Mags1227
From the initiative website: Mothers who decide to formula feed and cannot afford formula will be referred to WIC (Women, Infants and Children), a food and nutrition program for low-income families.
so what happens to a mother who can't afford formula but has no milk supply? she leaves the hospital with nothing but WIC paperwork to fill out. she then has to wait to be approved (let's hope she is) before she's able to get formula for her baby. how long do you think that will take in the great bureaucracy that is NYC?
I don't understand? So we should give all mothers 1, 2, 3 months of formula in case their milk runs out while they wait for WIC? There has to also be some initiative on the MOTHER'S end too in this case. If i'm pg and I am not going to bf and I can't afford formula then I should be figuring something out well before I leave the hospital. It's not the nurses job to do that. I also believe that it is a part of the prenatal care...at least it is where I go.
With WIC, you make an appointment, show up, get approved THAT DAY and receive your checks THAT DAY. It's not endless months of waiting for approval like other programs.
I think this was directed at Kids....I was trying to demonstrate that it is not up to us to send mothers home with formula supply's to last until an unknown time. I'm pretty familiar with WIC and know it doesn't take a long time, but she was asking a what if so I responded in the sense what do we do then?
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Grill
Grill even suggested using ANOTHER mother's milk. Now I know this went on back in the day....I understand and know about the wet nurse thing. But for me. IMO, for me...I think that's INSANITY to be so obsessed with breastfeeding that in THIS day and age someone who COULD use formula would choose another mother's milk. For me personally, I could and would never make that choice. I dont care if the BM or mom was tested for diseases or drugs. You just never know, why take that chance.
The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends the following for newborn/infant nutrition (in order of optimization...from most optimal to least optimal):
1. Direct Breastmilk from Mother
2. Pumped/Expressed Milk From Mother
3. Milk from Another Mother
4. Formula
So, please Goobster...please. I am not spouting my opinion here. I am emphatically stating what is known to be true and what is recommended from the medical community that helps to guide all of our choices. Again...you want to FF, I truly don't care and don't judge. Just own that it is sub-optimal food for your offspring. This "Baby Friendly" Initiative is making Newborn Nutrition more a matter of public health than individual choice. And in that context (and others), BFing is the more conscientious method.
Soooo you're not done offending people yet???? Keep talking. I'm sure your heartless comments and complete lack of respect for your fellow mothers will make your kids proud. Good job mom.
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LoveMyFamily
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by wingsofsong
I'm sure this will not be the popular response, but personally, I don't see anything wrong with it. As the article stated, no mother will be denied the formula if they ask for it. It is simply not going to be broadcast in front of them. While BF vs. FF is definitely a choice, there is plenty of evidence proving that breastmilk is best for a baby. So I see nothing wrong with educating new mothers about it. We are educated about all kinds of things that are best for our babies- sleeping on their backs, how do dress them, how often they should eat, etc. Nowhere does it say new moms will be lectured or forced or guilted into breastfeeding. Simply educated. I do think many women give up on breastfeeding (not saying all) because as we know, BF can be really difficult, and formula is SO easily accessible. We get tons of free samples, the brands and logos are everywhere. I do believe that more women would breastfeed if formula wasn't so accessible.
I agree with this post. Of course it's a choice, just like smoking, drinking alcohol, eating healthy or poorly, & exercising are all choices. But this one is different; a woman's choice directly impacts her child's health. Overall (and yes, there are exceptions), women can BF and BF'ing is healthiest for the baby AND THE MOM. People certainly have the right to choose, but many people don't know all the facts about BF & FF, & it is the hospital's duty to educate patients on a decision that so impacts both their & their child's health. No one should be taunted either way, but certainly, education is important, especially in light of the significant ads that formula co's aim at parents.
BTW, those who say BF'ing has negatives, I'd like to know what those are... besides those that I know... pain in the beginning, transmit certain illnesses like HIV, & time to BF/pump when going back to work. (I honestly am curious what people think... not to taunt those who say this).
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Goobster
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Grill
Grill even suggested using ANOTHER mother's milk. Now I know this went on back in the day....I understand and know about the wet nurse thing. But for me. IMO, for me...I think that's INSANITY to be so obsessed with breastfeeding that in THIS day and age someone who COULD use formula would choose another mother's milk. For me personally, I could and would never make that choice. I dont care if the BM or mom was tested for diseases or drugs. You just never know, why take that chance.
The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends the following for newborn/infant nutrition (in order of optimization...from most optimal to least optimal):
1. Direct Breastmilk from Mother
2. Pumped/Expressed Milk From Mother
3. Milk from Another Mother
4. Formula
So, please Goobster...please. I am not spouting my opinion here. I am emphatically stating what is known to be true and what is recommended from the medical community that helps to guide all of our choices. Again...you want to FF, I truly don't care and don't judge. Just own that it is sub-optimal food for your offspring. This "Baby Friendly" Initiative is making Newborn Nutrition more a matter of public health than individual choice. And in that context (and others), BFing is the more conscientious method.
So you think formula is suboptimal. I most certainly don't, and again, I CHOSE to use it. But what I do think is using another woman's milk (when formula exists and gives a baby perfectly good nutrition) is insane, risky, unnecessary and obssessive in regards to the benefits of using BM.
We can agree to disagree I guess.
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LoveMyFamily
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Grill
Grill even suggested using ANOTHER mother's milk. Now I know this went on back in the day....I understand and know about the wet nurse thing. But for me. IMO, for me...I think that's INSANITY to be so obsessed with breastfeeding that in THIS day and age someone who COULD use formula would choose another mother's milk. For me personally, I could and would never make that choice. I dont care if the BM or mom was tested for diseases or drugs. You just never know, why take that chance.
The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends the following for newborn/infant nutrition (in order of optimization...from most optimal to least optimal):
1. Direct Breastmilk from Mother
2. Pumped/Expressed Milk From Mother
3. Milk from Another Mother
4. Formula
So, please Goobster...please. I am not spouting my opinion here. I am emphatically stating what is known to be true and what is recommended from the medical community that helps to guide all of our choices. Again...you want to FF, I truly don't care and don't judge. Just own that it is sub-optimal food for your offspring. This "Baby Friendly" Initiative is making Newborn Nutrition more a matter of public health than individual choice. And in that context (and others), BFing is the more conscientious method.
So you think formula is suboptimal. I most certainly don't, and again, I CHOSE to use it. But what I do think is using another woman's milk (when formula exists and gives a baby perfectly good nutrition) is insane, risky, unnecessary and obssessive in regards to the benefits of using BM.
We can agree to disagree I guess.
What is the basis of your belief that formula is just as good as breastmilk, from the mother or a surrogate? And why do you think AAP & so many federal and international organizations agree with this as a better means for feeding baby than formula? (not to mention that formula companies themselves have placed a disclosure on each formula package that breastmilk is best... although this may be fed law... I'm not sure). I'm really just wondering what the basis of your belief is.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Goobster, let's be real, you would never ever consider providing your DC bm, even if it was raining from the sky and it was the only drink available for days you still would be against it..you have been anti BF in literally every single thread I could ever think of. So reading your opinions on any nursing topics ever leave me scratching my head.
I am not against it at all. It's not for me b/c I just don't buy that it holds all the benefits many believe it does. I don't see formula as sub par and therefore I voice my opinion (on threads about the two) as everyone else does.
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Posted by Kidsaplenty
Goobster, let's be real, you would never ever consider providing your DC bm, even if it was raining from the sky and it was the only drink available for days you still would be against it..you have been anti BF in literally every single thread I could ever think of. So reading your opinions on any nursing topics ever leave me scratching my head.
I am not against it at all. It's not for me b/c I just don't buy that it holds all the benefits many believe it does. I don't see formula as sub par and therefore I voice my opinion (on threads about the two) as everyone else does.
I am truly curious...why do you think it isn't as beneficial as people say? Please don't take that the wrong way....I am just honestly curious. The AAP, and many many others all say something different. Is it just a gut feeling or have you read something in the past?
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
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Posted by Goobster
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Goobster, let's be real, you would never ever consider providing your DC bm, even if it was raining from the sky and it was the only drink available for days you still would be against it..you have been anti BF in literally every single thread I could ever think of. So reading your opinions on any nursing topics ever leave me scratching my head.
I am not against it at all. It's not for me b/c I just don't buy that it holds all the benefits many believe it does. I don't see formula as sub par and therefore I voice my opinion (on threads about the two) as everyone else does.
I am truly curious...why do you think it isn't as beneficial as people say? Please don't take that the wrong way....I am just honestly curious. The AAP, and many many others all say something different. Is it just a gut feeling or have you read something in the past?
I truly didn't want to get into this discussion but I get sucked in every time.
I will tell my story again of why I believe what I do. When I was pregnant I was never really overly interested in BF....but I DEFINITELY would have done it if I felt it would have benefitted my child. I had to be convinced though that it would help.
In my many month debate while pg about BF vs FF, I was concerned about a few things. My main concern was would BF help protect my DD against allergies and asthma? Why, b/c my DH has allergies and asthma, I have neither. I was worried about my DD suffering in the way that my DH does with his allergies and asthma.
So I read various articles that said that BF did not improve allergies or asthma, but actually increased the risks due to the various antibodies and allergens in breast milk that expose the baby to various things the mom is ingesting, as well as the mom's antibodies, etc. Before ANYONE jumps on me, please note....I amm well aware you can probably find studies that say BF improves asthma and allergy rates, and some that link allergies and asthma to BF.
However, I ONLY planned on BF if I was blown away by the proof that BF would have increased my child's chances of NOT having allergies or asthma. I was not blown away by what I read and nothing convinced me it was worth it.
Another negative against BF...I also read some articles that said that the mother's antibodies in BM can interfere with a child developing antibodies to vaccinations. Is this true? I don't know for sure. But for me, the evidence was NOT strong enough for me to dedicate my time, patience, body and energy to BF.
As for the bonding, I find that ridiculous so that wasn't even a concern of mine. But when I read that BF can increase a child's chances of allergies and asthma, it was an EASY choice for me. I understand allergy and immunology very well from degrees I have as well as personal knowledge I have. And therefore I was not sold on BF being the better choice, esp for me and my child.
I am not saying whatever I read was 100% accurate. Just as I don't believe any study or article is without flaws or missing factors. I just know what I read made sense, to me, based on my knowledge, and it helped me make my decision.
My DC has no allergies or asthma, and has an awesome immune system. Is it just a coincidence? I have no idea but it sure is enough for me to feel good about.
I actually had the same rationale when I was pregnant, regarding eating peanuts while pg...I read some studies suggested eating peanuts while pregnant increased the odds of asthma (and peanut allergies). And that BF itself increased the chances of a peanut allergy, esp if the mom was ingesting peanuts.
So I didn't eat peanuts or nuts throughout my whole pg and also didn't give my DD peanut butter until 2. She has no peanut allergies nor asthma at 3.5. Again is this all coincidental? Of course I realize IT COULD BE. But I certainly feel good about my choices and my feelings aren't just b/c. It's b/c of things I read that factored into my choices.
I only write this since I was asked by 2 people. I don't write this to knock anyone or make them feel bad about their choices. Just answering the poster's questions about why i feel so strongly about it.
Message edited 7/31/2012 12:11:48 AM.
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| Posted 7/31/12 12:03 AM |
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Sorry if this was asked already but does anyone really think that wet nurses are easy to come by in NYC or that a person who needs WIC could suddenly afford one? I do realize that women donate milk but it's not a huge industry.
And is wet nurse a job or a profession? (I'll look it up in the Dictionary of Occupational Titles if I have a few minutes tomorrow).
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| Posted 7/31/12 12:50 AM |
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maybeamommy
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Grill
Grill even suggested using ANOTHER mother's milk. Now I know this went on back in the day....I understand and know about the wet nurse thing. But for me. IMO, for me...I think that's INSANITY to be so obsessed with breastfeeding that in THIS day and age someone who COULD use formula would choose another mother's milk. For me personally, I could and would never make that choice. I dont care if the BM or mom was tested for diseases or drugs. You just never know, why take that chance.
The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends the following for newborn/infant nutrition (in order of optimization...from most optimal to least optimal):
1. Direct Breastmilk from Mother
2. Pumped/Expressed Milk From Mother
3. Milk from Another Mother
4. Formula
So, please Goobster...please. I am not spouting my opinion here. I am emphatically stating what is known to be true and what is recommended from the medical community that helps to guide all of our choices. Again...you want to FF, I truly don't care and don't judge. Just own that it is sub-optimal food for your offspring. This "Baby Friendly" Initiative is making Newborn Nutrition more a matter of public health than individual choice. And in that context (and others), BFing is the more conscientious method.
So you think formula is suboptimal. I most certainly don't, and again, I CHOSE to use it. But what I do think is using another woman's milk (when formula exists and gives a baby perfectly good nutrition) is insane, risky, unnecessary and obssessive in regards to the benefits of using BM.
We can agree to disagree I guess.
Insane, risky, unnecessary and obsessive??
That honestly hurts to hear. My babies were born 6 weeks early and in the NICU. I was determined to EBF but my supply in the first few weeks was not enough to meet both babies' demands. I was given the option of donor milk from the NICU. It's not like I chose some random person off Craigslist or something. The milk is tested and safe. I was able to use that until my supply increased enough. Honestly though my babies did end up getting maybe 4 bottles total each of formula once they were no longer eligible for the donor milk and I cried and agonized over it becauae it was not what I wanted.
I think its rude to make comments like that. You're basically doing what you're upset about Grill doing and making harsh, hurtful generalizations that are insulting mothers who are trying to do what they feel is best for their children.
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| Posted 7/31/12 12:52 AM |
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