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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
I will not be adding to the original topic of this thread, but wanted to say that reading THIS is amazing!
Posted by maybeamommy
I was given the option of donor milk from the NICU. ...
I was able to use that until my supply increased enough.
I applaud the mothers who donate their Breast Milk to babies in the NICU! I can't think of a more selfless, loving act than giving the milk from your breasts to a child, not your own, who is in great need of that amazing nourishment! I never saw anyone post about actually needing the donor milk, although I know there are girls here who were able to donate. G'd bless!
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
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Posted by Kidsaplenty
Goobster, let's be real, you would never ever consider providing your DC bm, even if it was raining from the sky and it was the only drink available for days you still would be against it..you have been anti BF in literally every single thread I could ever think of. So reading your opinions on any nursing topics ever leave me scratching my head.
I am not against it at all. It's not for me b/c I just don't buy that it holds all the benefits many believe it does. I don't see formula as sub par and therefore I voice my opinion (on threads about the two) as everyone else does.
I am truly curious...why do you think it isn't as beneficial as people say? Please don't take that the wrong way....I am just honestly curious. The AAP, and many many others all say something different. Is it just a gut feeling or have you read something in the past?
I truly didn't want to get into this discussion but I get sucked in every time.
I will tell my story again of why I believe what I do. When I was pregnant I was never really overly interested in BF....but I DEFINITELY would have done it if I felt it would have benefitted my child. I had to be convinced though that it would help.
In my many month debate while pg about BF vs FF, I was concerned about a few things. My main concern was would BF help protect my DD against allergies and asthma? Why, b/c my DH has allergies and asthma, I have neither. I was worried about my DD suffering in the way that my DH does with his allergies and asthma.
So I read various articles that said that BF did not improve allergies or asthma, but actually increased the risks due to the various antibodies and allergens in breast milk that expose the baby to various things the mom is ingesting, as well as the mom's antibodies, etc. Before ANYONE jumps on me, please note....I amm well aware you can probably find studies that say BF improves asthma and allergy rates, and some that link allergies and asthma to BF.
However, I ONLY planned on BF if I was blown away by the proof that BF would have increased my child's chances of NOT having allergies or asthma. I was not blown away by what I read and nothing convinced me it was worth it.
Another negative against BF...I also read some articles that said that the mother's antibodies in BM can interfere with a child developing antibodies to vaccinations. Is this true? I don't know for sure. But for me, the evidence was NOT strong enough for me to dedicate my time, patience, body and energy to BF.
As for the bonding, I find that ridiculous so that wasn't even a concern of mine. But when I read that BF can increase a child's chances of allergies and asthma, it was an EASY choice for me. I understand allergy and immunology very well from degrees I have as well as personal knowledge I have. And therefore I was not sold on BF being the better choice, esp for me and my child.
I am not saying whatever I read was 100% accurate. Just as I don't believe any study or article is without flaws or missing factors. I just know what I read made sense, to me, based on my knowledge, and it helped me make my decision.
My DC has no allergies or asthma, and has an awesome immune system. Is it just a coincidence? I have no idea but it sure is enough for me to feel good about.
I actually had the same rationale when I was pregnant, regarding eating peanuts while pg...I read some studies suggested eating peanuts while pregnant increased the odds of asthma (and peanut allergies). And that BF itself increased the chances of a peanut allergy, esp if the mom was ingesting peanuts.
So I didn't eat peanuts or nuts throughout my whole pg and also didn't give my DD peanut butter until 2. She has no peanut allergies nor asthma at 3.5. Again is this all coincidental? Of course I realize IT COULD BE. But I certainly feel good about my choices and my feelings aren't just b/c. It's b/c of things I read that factored into my choices.
I only write this since I was asked by 2 people. I don't write this to knock anyone or make them feel bad about their choices. Just answering the poster's questions about why i feel so strongly about it.
And I asked you this question on another thread, if these studies were valid and actually fact based, forward them to the AAP so they can update their recommendations on breastfeeding. What you read made sense to you, becase you were already looking to validate your own decision not to nurse. Cherry picking so that you can back yourself up when every medical organization out there disagrees with you is "insane" (as you would put it goobster)
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Naturalmama
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Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
The only thing "insane" about this whole thread is the people on BOTH sides making mothers on the opposite side feel inadequate for their choices. Worry about your own kid and move on.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
How about Bloomberg implements a better maternity leave policy before implementing mandatory breast-feeding.
Pumping in a closet or your car or some obscure locked room at work while your 6, 8, 12, week old is home without his or her mother is a joyous way to spend the first couple of months of your baby's life.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Naturalmama
The only thing "insane" about this whole thread is the people on BOTH sides making mothers on the opposite side feel inadequate for their choices. Worry about your own kid and move on.
 
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
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you're an @sshole. A.Giant.@sshole.
come on. if you go rogue, use more colorful words to really describe Grill! 
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Naturalmama
The only thing "insane" about this whole thread is the people on BOTH sides making mothers on the opposite side feel inadequate for their choices. Worry about your own kid and move on.
Well said.
I am shocked that I see some women who are ONLY breastfeeding attack those who are not. I have seen them say and imply that other women don't mother, are bad mothers, make bad choices, should be ashamed.
Just, wow.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by maybeamommy
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Grill
Grill even suggested using ANOTHER mother's milk. Now I know this went on back in the day....I understand and know about the wet nurse thing. But for me. IMO, for me...I think that's INSANITY to be so obsessed with breastfeeding that in THIS day and age someone who COULD use formula would choose another mother's milk. For me personally, I could and would never make that choice. I dont care if the BM or mom was tested for diseases or drugs. You just never know, why take that chance.
The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends the following for newborn/infant nutrition (in order of optimization...from most optimal to least optimal):
1. Direct Breastmilk from Mother
2. Pumped/Expressed Milk From Mother
3. Milk from Another Mother
4. Formula
So, please Goobster...please. I am not spouting my opinion here. I am emphatically stating what is known to be true and what is recommended from the medical community that helps to guide all of our choices. Again...you want to FF, I truly don't care and don't judge. Just own that it is sub-optimal food for your offspring. This "Baby Friendly" Initiative is making Newborn Nutrition more a matter of public health than individual choice. And in that context (and others), BFing is the more conscientious method.
So you think formula is suboptimal. I most certainly don't, and again, I CHOSE to use it. But what I do think is using another woman's milk (when formula exists and gives a baby perfectly good nutrition) is insane, risky, unnecessary and obssessive in regards to the benefits of using BM.
We can agree to disagree I guess.
Insane, risky, unnecessary and obsessive??
That honestly hurts to hear. My babies were born 6 weeks early and in the NICU. I was determined to EBF but my supply in the first few weeks was not enough to meet both babies' demands. I was given the option of donor milk from the NICU. It's not like I chose some random person off Craigslist or something. The milk is tested and safe. I was able to use that until my supply increased enough. Honestly though my babies did end up getting maybe 4 bottles total each of formula once they were no longer eligible for the donor milk and I cried and agonized over it becauae it was not what I wanted.
I think its rude to make comments like that. You're basically doing what you're upset about Grill doing and making harsh, hurtful generalizations that are insulting mothers who are trying to do what they feel is best for their children.
MaybeAMommy, I agree with you fully. And further, I APPLAUD YOU for demanding that your babies get the very best from BM, even if you couldn't be the one to personally give it in those early weeks. I also want to know... how does one donate breastmilk? If my daughter weans herself before my milk production ends, I would love to donate, even if it is only a few ounces... I think every child deserves to have what my beautiful daughter had. Anyway, good for you for doing what may or may not be popular, but what is best for your baby :)
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
I say we put Grill and Goobster in an octagon and see what happens 
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by headoverheels
I say we put Grill and Goobster in an octagon and see what happens
and may the odds be ever in your favor 
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by AlyJD
Posted by maybeamommy
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Grill
Grill even suggested using ANOTHER mother's milk. Now I know this went on back in the day....I understand and know about the wet nurse thing. But for me. IMO, for me...I think that's INSANITY to be so obsessed with breastfeeding that in THIS day and age someone who COULD use formula would choose another mother's milk. For me personally, I could and would never make that choice. I dont care if the BM or mom was tested for diseases or drugs. You just never know, why take that chance.
The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends the following for newborn/infant nutrition (in order of optimization...from most optimal to least optimal):
1. Direct Breastmilk from Mother
2. Pumped/Expressed Milk From Mother
3. Milk from Another Mother
4. Formula
So, please Goobster...please. I am not spouting my opinion here. I am emphatically stating what is known to be true and what is recommended from the medical community that helps to guide all of our choices. Again...you want to FF, I truly don't care and don't judge. Just own that it is sub-optimal food for your offspring. This "Baby Friendly" Initiative is making Newborn Nutrition more a matter of public health than individual choice. And in that context (and others), BFing is the more conscientious method.
So you think formula is suboptimal. I most certainly don't, and again, I CHOSE to use it. But what I do think is using another woman's milk (when formula exists and gives a baby perfectly good nutrition) is insane, risky, unnecessary and obssessive in regards to the benefits of using BM.
We can agree to disagree I guess.
Insane, risky, unnecessary and obsessive??
That honestly hurts to hear. My babies were born 6 weeks early and in the NICU. I was determined to EBF but my supply in the first few weeks was not enough to meet both babies' demands. I was given the option of donor milk from the NICU. It's not like I chose some random person off Craigslist or something. The milk is tested and safe. I was able to use that until my supply increased enough. Honestly though my babies did end up getting maybe 4 bottles total each of formula once they were no longer eligible for the donor milk and I cried and agonized over it becauae it was not what I wanted.
I think its rude to make comments like that. You're basically doing what you're upset about Grill doing and making harsh, hurtful generalizations that are insulting mothers who are trying to do what they feel is best for their children.
MaybeAMommy, I agree with you fully. And further, I APPLAUD YOU for demanding that your babies get the very best from BM, even if you couldn't be the one to personally give it in those early weeks. I also want to know... how does one donate breastmilk? If my daughter weans herself before my milk production ends, I would love to donate, even if it is only a few ounces... I think every child deserves to have what my beautiful daughter had. Anyway, good for you for doing what may or may not be popular, but what is best for your baby :)
Contact human milk for human babies or eatsonfeets.org. I don't make enough to donate but definitely applaud those who can and do....many blessings to you!!!
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by maymama
Posted by headoverheels
I say we put Grill and Goobster in an octagon and see what happens
and may the odds be ever in your favor
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Wow. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
This started with Bloomberg and ended with what's considered good mothering. Really? You all sound like a bunch of crazies. Does it really matter how we feed our children? I mean the goal is to raise happy healthy kids, whether by boob or bottle. Get a grip and stop being catty *******. Absolutely horrible the way some of you are speaking to other mothers. Let's hope that doesnt show how you mother your children.
And like I said a few times yesterday, when bloomy grows tits, he can tell me what to do with mine.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
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Posted by Naturalmama
The only thing "insane" about this whole thread is the people on BOTH sides making mothers on the opposite side feel inadequate for their choices. Worry about your own kid and move on.
Well said.
I am shocked that I see some women who are ONLY breastfeeding attack those who are not. I have seen them say and imply that other women don't mother, are bad mothers, make bad choices, should be ashamed.
Just, wow.
ITA and calling BF mothers "human cows" or whatever was said is just as despicable! (says the FF mom)
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Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Goobster thank you for the response. I think it's safe we will also have to agree to disagree. I do appreciate you taking the time to write a response.
As for wet nurses....I honestly have no idea. I know on fb there is the human milk page and that is how I met the 2 women I gave milk to. It's not for everyone, and that's fine. Some will say how unsafe, I would never, but the thought is that the mothers looking and offering are doing so with a purpose and are specifically looking for help or to give a gift. I would never donate to a specific milk bank because I find it horrible they charge almost $3 an ounce! That is just insane. I am not implying we should have wet nurses or have a group breastfeeding session, I was just hurt that the comment was made about how insane it seemed. I just found it distasteful and hurtful to those of us who have done this. This is not about wet nurses or if you're pro/con breastfeeding. It is about giving support to a mother if she is choosing to breastfeed. I agree the 1st few days you are exhausted, and that is where they are trying to step in and help you push past. My son was on my boob for hours...HOURS and I thought about formula just for my sanity, but I remembered I wanted to nurse and I was lucky to have had family support, and people who pushed me past the wall I was at. I think that is the very time you DO need someone to say are you sure? Do not let sleep deprivation stop you, let us help you. I see no harm in not advertising formula at every turn or sending parents home with just their baby.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by headoverheels
I say we put Grill and Goobster in an octagon and see what happens
I'm down.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Am I the only person who actually LIKES Bloomy?
not because of this initiative. Sure, I don't agree with someone of his decisions but over all I think he's a righteous dood.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by headoverheels
I say we put Grill and Goobster in an octagon and see what happens
That's INSANE!!!
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| Posted 7/31/12 10:27 AM |
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by HeathKernandez
Am I the only person who actually LIKES Bloomy?
not because of this initiative. Sure, I don't agree with someone of his decisions but over all I think he's a righteous dood.
nope, I like him too.
I wish people could see past this ridiculous ******* crap.
the truth is, big companies have us by the BALLS. BY THE BALLS.
they influence EVERYTHING. from how ******* fat we are to what we feed our babies. Bloomie isn't deciding that shit. Similac is. Enfamil is. they decide that when they decide which hospital to court more or send more free samples to.
fast food companies with their GINORMOUS disgusting huge portions are making US ginormous and disgustingly huge.
and NO, it is pretty clear from the yearly growth of US girth that we CANNOT make decisions for ourselves.
McDonalds has decided how fat you are. you didn't. they did. b/c they know enough about our psychology to know that most people will go for bigger. will pay a little more to get A LOT more b/c of "value".
it's just mind blowing. the idea that these new laws to try to curtail and public health epidemic that is NOT going away are met with such anger.
it's totally misplaced. but we are too busy arguing amongst ourselves to see it.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by HeathKernandez
Am I the only person who actually LIKES Bloomy?
not because of this initiative. Sure, I don't agree with someone of his decisions but over all I think he's a righteous dood.
nope, I like him too.
I wish people could see past this ridiculous ******* crap.
the truth is, big companies have us by the BALLS. BY THE BALLS.
they influence EVERYTHING. from how ******* fat we are to what we feed our babies. Bloomie isn't deciding that shit. Similac is. Enfamil is. they decide that when they decide which hospital to court more or send more free samples to.
fast food companies with their GINORMOUS disgusting huge portions are making US ginormous and disgustingly huge.
and NO, it is pretty clear from the yearly growth of US girth that we CANNOT make decisions for ourselves.
McDonalds has decided how fat you are. you didn't. they did. b/c they know enough about our psychology to know that most people will go for bigger. will pay a little more to get A LOT more b/c of "value".
it's just mind blowing. the idea that these new laws to try to curtail and public health epidemic that is NOT going away are met with such anger.
it's totally misplaced. but we are too busy arguing amongst ourselves to see it.
I'm with you ladies 100%!!! Why people find it okay for companies with $$$ interest to advertise, but that it is not okay for the gov't to require hospitals, those that are supposedly there for our health, to encourage healthy behavior (which is shown over and over again by study after study) is beyond me. Yes, I'm a Bloomberg fan as well!
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luckyinlove
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
My first experience in the hospital having DD#1 -- formula was being thrust at me from all angles, and I had to tell them numerous times I was EBFing, but they still wanted to give my baby formula. The second time they were much more supportive -- different hospital, though. I think that it is about time that bfing is emphasized by doctors and hospitals. I was so discouraged by my ped, the gastro, and numerous other health professionals that didn't get why I was bfing my DD's when they were so colicky. Now they are both fine and I am glad i kept it up! I don't think anyone should be made to feel bad for their decisions, but it only makes sense to suggest bfing over formula as it is the healthier alternative for both mom and baby. Yes, some people can't do it for a variety of reasons, and that should be understood and respected too.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Naturalmama
The only thing "insane" about this whole thread is the people on BOTH sides making mothers on the opposite side feel inadequate for their choices. Worry about your own kid and move on.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by firsttimer
How about Bloomberg implements a better maternity leave policy before implementing mandatory breast-feeding.
Pumping in a closet or your car or some obscure locked room at work while your 6, 8, 12, week old is home without his or her mother is a joyous way to spend the first couple of months of your baby's life.
This is absolutely correct...and why a lot of women STOP breastfeeding. It's extremely difficult for the first 6-8 weeks and then we're thrust back into the workforce to awkwardly pump in random places. It's just horrible. Why isn't more time and effort spent on this?????
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
This one is still going huh ? 
Why do people insist on internalizing everything so much? Why is this even a debate? Nobody's kid is starving here ......
No one really cares what anyone else did or didn't do - they only care about themselves .........pointing a finger or judging someone else's choices is just a way of rationalizing and confirming your own ........
I don't get why people get so heated and defensive and offended about this stuff ........do you REALLY think that anyone REALLY cares about what you fed your kid? They care what they fed THEIR kid - and they are obviously going to justify their choices, b/c like any mother THEY THINK THEY MADE THE BEST CHOICE -
When there is a choice to make there is always a 'better' in your mind, hopefully, every mother would make what they think is the better choice ........ So, I don't worry about what the breastfeeding mother thinks of my forumla feeding - I already KNOW that she thinks she made a better choice than me. If she thought I made the better choice, she'd be an idiot for spending all of that time and energy breastfeeding when she could have a glass of wine instead !!
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Kidsaplenty
And I asked you this question on another thread, if these studies were valid and actually fact based, forward them to the AAP so they can update their recommendations on breastfeeding. )
And what makes you so sure that one day the recommendations won't change? We learn new things every day in the medical community and recommendations for various things do change.
For example, I read that it appeared the rotovirus vaccine wasn't working properly in BF babies due to the mother's antibodies in the BM. So they were considering recommending delaying BF around the time of vaccination. The suggestion was not made, but it seemed to be a thought.
So who knows what the future holds. When it comes to the medical community, guidelines and recommendations change EVERY day. So no one can predict the future.
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