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browneyedgirl
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by katiebug
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Most schools in NY will challenge you on your religious beliefs. It's not as easy in NY as other states. A quick search on Google shows a lot of first-hand experience about being questioned about the "sincerity" of the religious beliefs, the challenges involved, people hiring lawyers, etc.
If certain medicines are used for the child (cough syrup, etc), it makes it very difficult to say you object to putting chemicals in their bodies.
This is not true. And it is very easy to explain the exemption is not about chemicals but about Human DNA from aborted fetus' in the vaccine, and that is why, as a Catholic, you do not want to give vaccines.
human DNA from aborted fetuses??
since when are aborted fetuses in vaccines?
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by browneyedgirl
Posted by katiebug
Posted by GoldenRod
Most schools in NY will challenge you on your religious beliefs. It's not as easy in NY as other states. A quick search on Google shows a lot of first-hand experience about being questioned about the "sincerity" of the religious beliefs, the challenges involved, people hiring lawyers, etc.
If certain medicines are used for the child (cough syrup, etc), it makes it very difficult to say you object to putting chemicals in their bodies.
This is not true. And it is very easy to explain the exemption is not about chemicals but about Human DNA from aborted fetus' in the vaccine, and that is why, as a Catholic, you do not want to give vaccines.
human DNA from aborted fetuses??
since when are aborted fetuses in vaccines?
For about 30 years.
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LuLu2260
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
My daycare asked for my sons vaccinations and I gave it her. I asked what if we didnt get him vaccinated she said she would have to take us but they frown upon it.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by katiebug
Posted by browneyedgirl
Posted by katiebug
Posted by GoldenRod
Most schools in NY will challenge you on your religious beliefs. It's not as easy in NY as other states. A quick search on Google shows a lot of first-hand experience about being questioned about the "sincerity" of the religious beliefs, the challenges involved, people hiring lawyers, etc.
If certain medicines are used for the child (cough syrup, etc), it makes it very difficult to say you object to putting chemicals in their bodies.
This is not true. And it is very easy to explain the exemption is not about chemicals but about Human DNA from aborted fetus' in the vaccine, and that is why, as a Catholic, you do not want to give vaccines.
human DNA from aborted fetuses??
since when are aborted fetuses in vaccines?
For about 30 years.
Cell lines. Sort of in the same vein as stem cells.
article here--gives the more science based explanation
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Crashing
I had never heard about the aborted fetuses, so I looked it up and found this on Catholic Digest.
Vaccines and abortion: What’s the truth?
This one stings the most: some persons said a real Catholic would have reported that “vaccines are full of aborted babies.” No, they are not. However, unlike most of the arguments anti-vaccination proponents make, this distortion has a connection to fact — one we didn’t know when we published the article. Here’s what we’ve learned:
The attenuated viruses used to make vaccines need to be grown in a culture. Some vaccines, like the seasonal flu vaccine, are grown in chicken embryos. Others are grown in cells taken from monkeys or rabbits. With vaccine technology as it now exists, some safe and effective vaccines can only be grown in cultures of human tissue. So a few important vaccines — rubella, chicken pox, hepatitis A, and one of two rabies vaccines — are grown in cell cultures whose ancestors, many cell generations ago, were taken from three babies who were aborted at different times and places in the 1960s. These babies were not aborted to make vaccines; in fact, no child has ever been aborted for vaccine production, and no aborted fetal tissue, or even tissue descended from the cell tissue of an aborted child, is in the vaccine itself.
This is still a very uncomfortable thing for Catholics. Both the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Pontifical Academy for Life have issued statements on it. The Church says that abortion is a grave evil and using cells that came from cells from an abortion to develop a vaccine is morally problematic. But even the gravity of this situation does not shake the clearly pro-vaccine stance of the Church. As Catholics, says the Vatican, we must protest the use of these cell lines and lobby and pressure pharmaceutical companies to develop, if it all possible, new cell lines from non-illicit sources. (The Vatican acknowledges that developing these new cell lines would be a tricky and very costly undertaking.) But, says the Pontifical Academy for Life, “the burden of this important battle cannot and must not fall on innocent children and on the health situation of the population — especially with regard to pregnant women.” If no safe, effective alternative vaccines exist, says the Church, it is lawful to use these vaccines if danger to the health of children exists or to the health of the population as a whole.
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I don't get it...
We are one of the only countries...if not the only country...who has access to life saving medicine on a regular basis and CHOOSE not to take advantage of it. Opportunities that many people in this world wished they had, and why? Mostly because of an article in a magazine (not a journal) that has been proven to be false. There is no proven connection between vaccines and autism, yet these diseases...once practically obliterated...are now making a comeback and can kill. Meanwhile some older child walks into a daycare carrying measles or some other disease that could have been easily prevented and some poor infant who has not yet been vaccinated because they have not yet been scheduled to gets it. No ones telling people not to be able to make decisions regarding their childs health, but people who do this make decisions regarding other people's health too.
I'm sorry, but the chick embryo thing is a weak arguement IMO. Take a look at the ingredients in some process foods...aspertame, MSG, nitrates, etc can be just as bad and hold no medical/health value.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by LittleBlueBug
I don't get it...
We are one of the only countries...if not the only country...who has access to life saving medicine on a regular basis and CHOOSE not to take advantage of it. Opportunities that many people in this world wished they had, and why? Mostly because of an article in a magazine (not a journal) that has been proven to be false. There is no proven connection between vaccines and autism, yet these diseases...once practically obliterated...are now making a comeback and can kill. Meanwhile some older child walks into a daycare carrying measles or some other disease that could have been easily prevented and some poor infant who has not yet been vaccinated because they have not yet been scheduled to gets it. No ones telling people not to be able to make decisions regarding their childs health, but people who do this make decisions regarding other people's health too.
I'm sorry, but the chick embryo thing is a weak arguement IMO. Take a look at the ingredients in some process foods...aspertame, MSG, nitrates, etc can be just as bad and hold no medical/health value.
 Thank you! ITA 100%, and always say if we had more people surrounding us w/polio, mumps, etc...people would have no question. And when people immigrate here, *most* get them right away (if they haven't had them) because we have them available and others outside of here are literally dying for vaccines.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by LittleBlueBug
I don't get it...
We are one of the only countries...if not the only country...who has access to life saving medicine on a regular basis and CHOOSE not to take advantage of it. Opportunities that many people in this world wished they had, and why? Mostly because of an article in a magazine (not a journal) that has been proven to be false. There is no proven connection between vaccines and autism, yet these diseases...once practically obliterated...are now making a comeback and can kill. Meanwhile some older child walks into a daycare carrying measles or some other disease that could have been easily prevented and some poor infant who has not yet been vaccinated because they have not yet been scheduled to gets it. No ones telling people not to be able to make decisions regarding their childs health, but people who do this make decisions regarding other people's health too.
I'm sorry, but the chick embryo thing is a weak arguement IMO. Take a look at the ingredients in some process foods...aspertame, MSG, nitrates, etc can be just as bad and hold no medical/health value.
Could not have been better said.
I find that we treat our dogs better than our children....we give our dogs the vaccinations they MUST have. But people dont give their children vaccination that can and will save their lives. Its something I will never truly understand.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by MrsH2009
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I had never heard about the aborted fetuses, so I looked it up and found this on Catholic Digest.
Vaccines and abortion: What’s the truth?
This one stings the most: some persons said a real Catholic would have reported that “vaccines are full of aborted babies.” No, they are not. However, unlike most of the arguments anti-vaccination proponents make, this distortion has a connection to fact — one we didn’t know when we published the article. Here’s what we’ve learned:
The attenuated viruses used to make vaccines need to be grown in a culture. Some vaccines, like the seasonal flu vaccine, are grown in chicken embryos. Others are grown in cells taken from monkeys or rabbits. With vaccine technology as it now exists, some safe and effective vaccines can only be grown in cultures of human tissue. So a few important vaccines — rubella, chicken pox, hepatitis A, and one of two rabies vaccines — are grown in cell cultures whose ancestors, many cell generations ago, were taken from three babies who were aborted at different times and places in the 1960s. These babies were not aborted to make vaccines; in fact, no child has ever been aborted for vaccine production, and no aborted fetal tissue, or even tissue descended from the cell tissue of an aborted child, is in the vaccine itself.
This is still a very uncomfortable thing for Catholics. Both the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Pontifical Academy for Life have issued statements on it. The Church says that abortion is a grave evil and using cells that came from cells from an abortion to develop a vaccine is morally problematic. But even the gravity of this situation does not shake the clearly pro-vaccine stance of the Church. As Catholics, says the Vatican, we must protest the use of these cell lines and lobby and pressure pharmaceutical companies to develop, if it all possible, new cell lines from non-illicit sources. (The Vatican acknowledges that developing these new cell lines would be a tricky and very costly undertaking.) But, says the Pontifical Academy for Life, “the burden of this important battle cannot and must not fall on innocent children and on the health situation of the population — especially with regard to pregnant women.” If no safe, effective alternative vaccines exist, says the Church, it is lawful to use these vaccines if danger to the health of children exists or to the health of the population as a whole.
Thank you very much - I was wondering about this!
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by Tilde
Posted by MrsH2009
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I had never heard about the aborted fetuses, so I looked it up and found this on Catholic Digest.
Vaccines and abortion: What’s the truth?
This one stings the most: some persons said a real Catholic would have reported that “vaccines are full of aborted babies.” No, they are not. However, unlike most of the arguments anti-vaccination proponents make, this distortion has a connection to fact — one we didn’t know when we published the article. Here’s what we’ve learned:
The attenuated viruses used to make vaccines need to be grown in a culture. Some vaccines, like the seasonal flu vaccine, are grown in chicken embryos. Others are grown in cells taken from monkeys or rabbits. With vaccine technology as it now exists, some safe and effective vaccines can only be grown in cultures of human tissue. So a few important vaccines — rubella, chicken pox, hepatitis A, and one of two rabies vaccines — are grown in cell cultures whose ancestors, many cell generations ago, were taken from three babies who were aborted at different times and places in the 1960s. These babies were not aborted to make vaccines; in fact, no child has ever been aborted for vaccine production, and no aborted fetal tissue, or even tissue descended from the cell tissue of an aborted child, is in the vaccine itself.
This is still a very uncomfortable thing for Catholics. Both the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Pontifical Academy for Life have issued statements on it. The Church says that abortion is a grave evil and using cells that came from cells from an abortion to develop a vaccine is morally problematic. But even the gravity of this situation does not shake the clearly pro-vaccine stance of the Church. As Catholics, says the Vatican, we must protest the use of these cell lines and lobby and pressure pharmaceutical companies to develop, if it all possible, new cell lines from non-illicit sources. (The Vatican acknowledges that developing these new cell lines would be a tricky and very costly undertaking.) But, says the Pontifical Academy for Life, “the burden of this important battle cannot and must not fall on innocent children and on the health situation of the population — especially with regard to pregnant women.” If no safe, effective alternative vaccines exist, says the Church, it is lawful to use these vaccines if danger to the health of children exists or to the health of the population as a whole.
Thank you very much - I was wondering about this!
I appreciate it as well, I never knew this!
This might sound bizarre, but I liken this to organ donation. The "ancestor" babies were not aborted for the sole purpose of growing the vaccines, they were going to be aborted anyway (let's leave that debate out of this!) These vaccines and cells are now life saving, for millions and millions of people. Organ donors save several people at a time as well, and death is often a factor in organ donation as well. So I am curious if those who are against vaccines being generated by fetal cells would also be against receiving a donated organ.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by Tilde
Posted by MrsH2009
Crashing
I had never heard about the aborted fetuses, so I looked it up and found this on Catholic Digest.
Vaccines and abortion: What’s the truth?
This one stings the most: some persons said a real Catholic would have reported that “vaccines are full of aborted babies.” No, they are not. However, unlike most of the arguments anti-vaccination proponents make, this distortion has a connection to fact — one we didn’t know when we published the article. Here’s what we’ve learned:
The attenuated viruses used to make vaccines need to be grown in a culture. Some vaccines, like the seasonal flu vaccine, are grown in chicken embryos. Others are grown in cells taken from monkeys or rabbits. With vaccine technology as it now exists, some safe and effective vaccines can only be grown in cultures of human tissue. So a few important vaccines — rubella, chicken pox, hepatitis A, and one of two rabies vaccines — are grown in cell cultures whose ancestors, many cell generations ago, were taken from three babies who were aborted at different times and places in the 1960s. These babies were not aborted to make vaccines; in fact, no child has ever been aborted for vaccine production, and no aborted fetal tissue, or even tissue descended from the cell tissue of an aborted child, is in the vaccine itself.
This is still a very uncomfortable thing for Catholics. Both the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Pontifical Academy for Life have issued statements on it. The Church says that abortion is a grave evil and using cells that came from cells from an abortion to develop a vaccine is morally problematic. But even the gravity of this situation does not shake the clearly pro-vaccine stance of the Church. As Catholics, says the Vatican, we must protest the use of these cell lines and lobby and pressure pharmaceutical companies to develop, if it all possible, new cell lines from non-illicit sources. (The Vatican acknowledges that developing these new cell lines would be a tricky and very costly undertaking.) But, says the Pontifical Academy for Life, “the burden of this important battle cannot and must not fall on innocent children and on the health situation of the population — especially with regard to pregnant women.” If no safe, effective alternative vaccines exist, says the Church, it is lawful to use these vaccines if danger to the health of children exists or to the health of the population as a whole.
Thank you very much - I was wondering about this!
I appreciate it as well, I never knew this!
This might sound bizarre, but I liken this to organ donation. The "ancestor" babies were not aborted for the sole purpose of growing the vaccines, they were going to be aborted anyway (let's leave that debate out of this!) These vaccines and cells are now life saving, for millions and millions of people. Organ donors save several people at a time as well, and death is often a factor in organ donation as well. So I am curious if those who are against vaccines being generated by fetal cells would also be against receiving a donated organ.
The difference is that people who donate organs have involuntarily died. While the babies weren't aborted due to the purpose of growing vaccines, they are still the product of someone having chosen to discontinue their life....they were killed. So it violates a commandment, and therefore could lead to people not wanting to vaccinate due to those reasons.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by Denise
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by Tilde
Posted by MrsH2009
Crashing
I had never heard about the aborted fetuses, so I looked it up and found this on Catholic Digest.
Vaccines and abortion: What’s the truth?
This one stings the most: some persons said a real Catholic would have reported that “vaccines are full of aborted babies.” No, they are not. However, unlike most of the arguments anti-vaccination proponents make, this distortion has a connection to fact — one we didn’t know when we published the article. Here’s what we’ve learned:
The attenuated viruses used to make vaccines need to be grown in a culture. Some vaccines, like the seasonal flu vaccine, are grown in chicken embryos. Others are grown in cells taken from monkeys or rabbits. With vaccine technology as it now exists, some safe and effective vaccines can only be grown in cultures of human tissue. So a few important vaccines — rubella, chicken pox, hepatitis A, and one of two rabies vaccines — are grown in cell cultures whose ancestors, many cell generations ago, were taken from three babies who were aborted at different times and places in the 1960s. These babies were not aborted to make vaccines; in fact, no child has ever been aborted for vaccine production, and no aborted fetal tissue, or even tissue descended from the cell tissue of an aborted child, is in the vaccine itself.
This is still a very uncomfortable thing for Catholics. Both the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Pontifical Academy for Life have issued statements on it. The Church says that abortion is a grave evil and using cells that came from cells from an abortion to develop a vaccine is morally problematic. But even the gravity of this situation does not shake the clearly pro-vaccine stance of the Church. As Catholics, says the Vatican, we must protest the use of these cell lines and lobby and pressure pharmaceutical companies to develop, if it all possible, new cell lines from non-illicit sources. (The Vatican acknowledges that developing these new cell lines would be a tricky and very costly undertaking.) But, says the Pontifical Academy for Life, “the burden of this important battle cannot and must not fall on innocent children and on the health situation of the population — especially with regard to pregnant women.” If no safe, effective alternative vaccines exist, says the Church, it is lawful to use these vaccines if danger to the health of children exists or to the health of the population as a whole.
Thank you very much - I was wondering about this!
I appreciate it as well, I never knew this!
This might sound bizarre, but I liken this to organ donation. The "ancestor" babies were not aborted for the sole purpose of growing the vaccines, they were going to be aborted anyway (let's leave that debate out of this!) These vaccines and cells are now life saving, for millions and millions of people. Organ donors save several people at a time as well, and death is often a factor in organ donation as well. So I am curious if those who are against vaccines being generated by fetal cells would also be against receiving a donated organ.
The difference is that people who donate organs have involuntarily died. While the babies weren't aborted due to the purpose of growing vaccines, they are still the product of someone having chosen to discontinue their life....they were killed. So it violates a commandment, and therefore could lead to people not wanting to vaccinate due to those reasons.
Are their religions that dictate which organs can be used for donation? Do they not allow you to receive organs from someone who was murdered? Because I would think someone with a gunshot wound would be a perfect candidate for organ donation.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by emilylives
Posted by Denise
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by Tilde
Posted by MrsH2009
Crashing
I had never heard about the aborted fetuses, so I looked it up and found this on Catholic Digest.
Vaccines and abortion: What’s the truth?
This one stings the most: some persons said a real Catholic would have reported that “vaccines are full of aborted babies.” No, they are not. However, unlike most of the arguments anti-vaccination proponents make, this distortion has a connection to fact — one we didn’t know when we published the article. Here’s what we’ve learned:
The attenuated viruses used to make vaccines need to be grown in a culture. Some vaccines, like the seasonal flu vaccine, are grown in chicken embryos. Others are grown in cells taken from monkeys or rabbits. With vaccine technology as it now exists, some safe and effective vaccines can only be grown in cultures of human tissue. So a few important vaccines — rubella, chicken pox, hepatitis A, and one of two rabies vaccines — are grown in cell cultures whose ancestors, many cell generations ago, were taken from three babies who were aborted at different times and places in the 1960s. These babies were not aborted to make vaccines; in fact, no child has ever been aborted for vaccine production, and no aborted fetal tissue, or even tissue descended from the cell tissue of an aborted child, is in the vaccine itself.
This is still a very uncomfortable thing for Catholics. Both the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Pontifical Academy for Life have issued statements on it. The Church says that abortion is a grave evil and using cells that came from cells from an abortion to develop a vaccine is morally problematic. But even the gravity of this situation does not shake the clearly pro-vaccine stance of the Church. As Catholics, says the Vatican, we must protest the use of these cell lines and lobby and pressure pharmaceutical companies to develop, if it all possible, new cell lines from non-illicit sources. (The Vatican acknowledges that developing these new cell lines would be a tricky and very costly undertaking.) But, says the Pontifical Academy for Life, “the burden of this important battle cannot and must not fall on innocent children and on the health situation of the population — especially with regard to pregnant women.” If no safe, effective alternative vaccines exist, says the Church, it is lawful to use these vaccines if danger to the health of children exists or to the health of the population as a whole.
Thank you very much - I was wondering about this!
I appreciate it as well, I never knew this!
This might sound bizarre, but I liken this to organ donation. The "ancestor" babies were not aborted for the sole purpose of growing the vaccines, they were going to be aborted anyway (let's leave that debate out of this!) These vaccines and cells are now life saving, for millions and millions of people. Organ donors save several people at a time as well, and death is often a factor in organ donation as well. So I am curious if those who are against vaccines being generated by fetal cells would also be against receiving a donated organ.
The difference is that people who donate organs have involuntarily died. While the babies weren't aborted due to the purpose of growing vaccines, they are still the product of someone having chosen to discontinue their life....they were killed. So it violates a commandment, and therefore could lead to people not wanting to vaccinate due to those reasons.
Are their religions that dictate which organs can be used for donation? Do they not allow you to receive organs from someone who was murdered? Because I would think someone with a gunshot wound would be a perfect candidate for organ donation.
You are right. If the gunshot victim chose to be a donator then he can be. The baby on the other hand....was never given the chance to make that choice.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by LittleBlueBug
Meanwhile some older child walks into a daycare carrying measles or some other disease that could have been easily prevented and some poor infant who has not yet been vaccinated because they have not yet been scheduled to gets it. No ones telling people not to be able to make decisions regarding their childs health, but people who do this make decisions regarding other people's health too.
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See THIS- right here- is what kills me. This is why I don't believe there should be any exceptions to getting vaccines before entering daycare. I am sorry. You are putting INNOCENT babies at risk when you allow a non vaccinated child into the daycare. School is one thing- the kids are old enough that the ones whose parents want them vacinated are already fully protected. But daycares have infants who are too young for all their shots.
Once my DD has all her shots, I won't worry so much- but she hasn't yet had MMR and this is so freaking scary to me.
I really think there should be NO exception to this law when it comes to daycares with infants. Sorry. You chose to not vaccinated your kid then fine. But then you should give up the option of daycare. It's not fair to everyone else.
And I really don't care if it's PC for me to say this or not.
I really don't...
Message edited 8/9/2011 8:33:00 AM.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LittleBlueBug
Meanwhile some older child walks into a daycare carrying measles or some other disease that could have been easily prevented and some poor infant who has not yet been vaccinated because they have not yet been scheduled to gets it. No ones telling people not to be able to make decisions regarding their childs health, but people who do this make decisions regarding other people's health too.
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See THIS- right here- is what kills me. This is why I don't believe there should be any exceptions to getting vaccines before entering daycare. I am sorry. You are putting INNOCENT babies at risk when you allow a non vaccinated child into the daycare. School is one thing- the kids are old enough that the ones whose parents want them vacinated are already fully protected. But daycares have infants who are too young for all their shots.
Once my DD has all her shots, I won't worry so much- but she hasn't yet had MMR and this is so freaking scary to me.
I really think there should be NO exception to this law when it comes to daycares with infants. Sorry. You chose to not vaccinated your kid then fine. But then you should give up the option of daycare. It's not fair to everyone else.
And I really don't care if it's PC for me to say this or not.
I really don't...
I 1000% agree and also think it should extend to public schools as well.
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| Posted 8/9/11 8:50 AM |
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
This was taken from New York State Rules and Regulations for Child Daycare Centers:
1) Any child not yet immunized may be admitted provided the child's immunizations are in process, in accordance with the requirements of the New York State Department of Health, and the parent gives the provider specific appointment dates for subsequent immunizations.
(2) Any child who is not immunized because of the parent's genuine and sincere religious beliefs may be admitted if the parent furnishes the child day care center with a written statement to this effect.
(3) Any child who is missing one or more of the required immunizations may be admitted if a physician licensed to practice medicine in New York State furnishes the child day care center with a written statement that such immunizations may be detrimental to the child's health.
(4) With the exception of children meeting the criteria of paragraphs (2) or (3) of this subdivision, children enrolled in the child day care center must remain current with their immunizations in accordance with the current schedule for immunizations established by the New York State Department of Health.
Also remember this: NYS requires an updated roster of every single child in care and their updated immunizations or boosters every October. If your daycare center has not asked you for an update at all...there is a problem. They are also very strict when it comes to the "written statement" for religious beliefs. It is such a great liability, more times than not, the child will get turned away from enrolling. Sadly, many franchisees, and owners, just want the enrollment, and may let it slide.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LittleBlueBug
Meanwhile some older child walks into a daycare carrying measles or some other disease that could have been easily prevented and some poor infant who has not yet been vaccinated because they have not yet been scheduled to gets it. No ones telling people not to be able to make decisions regarding their childs health, but people who do this make decisions regarding other people's health too.
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See THIS- right here- is what kills me. This is why I don't believe there should be any exceptions to getting vaccines before entering daycare. I am sorry. You are putting INNOCENT babies at risk when you allow a non vaccinated child into the daycare. School is one thing- the kids are old enough that the ones whose parents want them vacinated are already fully protected. But daycares have infants who are too young for all their shots.
Once my DD has all her shots, I won't worry so much- but she hasn't yet had MMR and this is so freaking scary to me.
I really think there should be NO exception to this law when it comes to daycares with infants. Sorry. You chose to not vaccinated your kid then fine. But then you should give up the option of daycare. It's not fair to everyone else.
And I really don't care if it's PC for me to say this or not.
I really don't...
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| Posted 8/9/11 9:07 AM |
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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LittleBlueBug
Meanwhile some older child walks into a daycare carrying measles or some other disease that could have been easily prevented and some poor infant who has not yet been vaccinated because they have not yet been scheduled to gets it. No ones telling people not to be able to make decisions regarding their childs health, but people who do this make decisions regarding other people's health too.
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See THIS- right here- is what kills me. This is why I don't believe there should be any exceptions to getting vaccines before entering daycare. I am sorry. You are putting INNOCENT babies at risk when you allow a non vaccinated child into the daycare. School is one thing- the kids are old enough that the ones whose parents want them vacinated are already fully protected. But daycares have infants who are too young for all their shots.
Once my DD has all her shots, I won't worry so much- but she hasn't yet had MMR and this is so freaking scary to me.
I really think there should be NO exception to this law when it comes to daycares with infants. Sorry. You chose to not vaccinated your kid then fine. But then you should give up the option of daycare. It's not fair to everyone else.
And I really don't care if it's PC for me to say this or not.
I really don't...
Do you really want to pick and choose when we respect someone's religious beliefs?
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| Posted 8/9/11 9:10 AM |
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Nifheim
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
i have to throw this out there but does anybody actually know whats in any of the shots? i mean do they have a label of what "ingredients" are used in the product?
I am not trying to start anything but I am kinda curious since the shots used to contain mercury (the ones I had as a child did) and I have no clue what is in today's shots.
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| Posted 8/9/11 9:19 AM |
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GioiaMia
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LittleBlueBug
Meanwhile some older child walks into a daycare carrying measles or some other disease that could have been easily prevented and some poor infant who has not yet been vaccinated because they have not yet been scheduled to gets it. No ones telling people not to be able to make decisions regarding their childs health, but people who do this make decisions regarding other people's health too.
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See THIS- right here- is what kills me. This is why I don't believe there should be any exceptions to getting vaccines before entering daycare. I am sorry. You are putting INNOCENT babies at risk when you allow a non vaccinated child into the daycare. School is one thing- the kids are old enough that the ones whose parents want them vacinated are already fully protected. But daycares have infants who are too young for all their shots.
Once my DD has all her shots, I won't worry so much- but she hasn't yet had MMR and this is so freaking scary to me.
I really think there should be NO exception to this law when it comes to daycares with infants. Sorry. You chose to not vaccinated your kid then fine. But then you should give up the option of daycare. It's not fair to everyone else.
And I really don't care if it's PC for me to say this or not.
I really don't...
Do you really want to pick and choose when we respect someone's religious beliefs?
Absolutely. 100% I do when I feel that there is a possibility that it could put my child's life in danger.
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| Posted 8/9/11 9:22 AM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LittleBlueBug
Meanwhile some older child walks into a daycare carrying measles or some other disease that could have been easily prevented and some poor infant who has not yet been vaccinated because they have not yet been scheduled to gets it. No ones telling people not to be able to make decisions regarding their childs health, but people who do this make decisions regarding other people's health too.
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See THIS- right here- is what kills me. This is why I don't believe there should be any exceptions to getting vaccines before entering daycare. I am sorry. You are putting INNOCENT babies at risk when you allow a non vaccinated child into the daycare. School is one thing- the kids are old enough that the ones whose parents want them vacinated are already fully protected. But daycares have infants who are too young for all their shots.
Once my DD has all her shots, I won't worry so much- but she hasn't yet had MMR and this is so freaking scary to me.
I really think there should be NO exception to this law when it comes to daycares with infants. Sorry. You chose to not vaccinated your kid then fine. But then you should give up the option of daycare. It's not fair to everyone else.
And I really don't care if it's PC for me to say this or not.
I really don't...
Do you really want to pick and choose when we respect someone's religious beliefs?
When it comes to my child's health, yes.
I do.
And if they don't vaccinate because of "religious" beliefs then fine. They can do that. But daycare is not a right- it's a privledge that you pay for. It's not public school. Nobody HAS to be admitted there.
So keep your unvaccinated kid out of daycare. Find other child care options if you so chose. Don't spread measles, mumps and whooping cough to other babies due to your religious beliefs.
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| Posted 8/9/11 9:22 AM |
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by NervousNell
So keep your unvaccinated kid out of daycare. Find other child care options if you so chose. Don't spread measles, mumps and whooping cough to other babies due to your religious beliefs.
Exactly!
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| Posted 8/9/11 9:26 AM |
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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by Tilde
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LittleBlueBug
Meanwhile some older child walks into a daycare carrying measles or some other disease that could have been easily prevented and some poor infant who has not yet been vaccinated because they have not yet been scheduled to gets it. No ones telling people not to be able to make decisions regarding their childs health, but people who do this make decisions regarding other people's health too.
.
See THIS- right here- is what kills me. This is why I don't believe there should be any exceptions to getting vaccines before entering daycare. I am sorry. You are putting INNOCENT babies at risk when you allow a non vaccinated child into the daycare. School is one thing- the kids are old enough that the ones whose parents want them vacinated are already fully protected. But daycares have infants who are too young for all their shots.
Once my DD has all her shots, I won't worry so much- but she hasn't yet had MMR and this is so freaking scary to me.
I really think there should be NO exception to this law when it comes to daycares with infants. Sorry. You chose to not vaccinated your kid then fine. But then you should give up the option of daycare. It's not fair to everyone else.
And I really don't care if it's PC for me to say this or not.
I really don't...
Do you really want to pick and choose when we respect someone's religious beliefs?
Absolutely. 100% I do when I feel that there is a possibility that it could put my child's life in danger.
Once we say screw your religious beliefs in one area we can then ignore all beliefs.
Message edited 8/9/2011 9:27:47 AM.
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| Posted 8/9/11 9:27 AM |
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GioiaMia
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Once we say screw your religious beliefs in one area we can then ignore all beliefs.
Well just from a quick survey of people who choose not to vaccinate on this board - they are using religious beliefs but REALLY it has nothing to do with their religion - they are just using that to get an exemption. Unfortunately, when people LIE and ABUSE this exemption - it shouldnt exist.
Also, no one is saying you HAVE to vaccinate, you can choose not to and then find a private school or other school that is will to accept you.
(PS want to apologize to the OP for the tangent )
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| Posted 8/9/11 9:31 AM |
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MrsA714
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by Nifheim
i have to throw this out there but does anybody actually know whats in any of the shots? i mean do they have a label of what "ingredients" are used in the product?
I am not trying to start anything but I am kinda curious since the shots used to contain mercury (the ones I had as a child did) and I have no clue what is in today's shots.
From what I understand, all vaccinations today are mercury free. Except for the flu vaccine.
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| Posted 8/9/11 9:35 AM |
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