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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by Nifheim
i have to throw this out there but does anybody actually know whats in any of the shots? i mean do they have a label of what "ingredients" are used in the product?
I am not trying to start anything but I am kinda curious since the shots used to contain mercury (the ones I had as a child did) and I have no clue what is in today's shots.
cow and monkey tissue, fetal tissues, preservatives of varying types.
The info is in the box the meds ship in, your pediatrician can give you a detailed handout or you can go to Pfizer/Merck sites
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by Nifheim
i have to throw this out there but does anybody actually know whats in any of the shots? i mean do they have a label of what "ingredients" are used in the product?
I am not trying to start anything but I am kinda curious since the shots used to contain mercury (the ones I had as a child did) and I have no clue what is in today's shots.
cow and monkey tissue, fetal tissues, preservatives of varying types.
The info is in the box the meds ship in, your pediatrician can give you a detailed handout or you can go to Pfizer/Merck sites
WHAT??? why????   are you serious
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by CaseyGirl
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by Nifheim
i have to throw this out there but does anybody actually know whats in any of the shots? i mean do they have a label of what "ingredients" are used in the product?
I am not trying to start anything but I am kinda curious since the shots used to contain mercury (the ones I had as a child did) and I have no clue what is in today's shots.
cow and monkey tissue, fetal tissues, preservatives of varying types.
The info is in the box the meds ship in, your pediatrician can give you a detailed handout or you can go to Pfizer/Merck sites
WHAT??? why???? are you serious
There are a lot of disgusting things in vaccines, which is why people want to make them greener. I have a few books with the list of ingredients, but it is too much for me to type out. I did a search and attached some links with a list of ingredients. Anything that says "cell line" is what was discussed about the aborted fetal cells.
ingredients 1 wiki link
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
I'm surprised that this is shocking to some people...vaccines aren't magical vitamins, most vaccines are weakened microbes or parts of microbes designed to not actually make us sick but just get enough of a response for our body to learn how to fight it off. This is HOW our immune system works.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by LittleBlueBug
I don't get it...
We are one of the only countries...if not the only country...who has access to life saving medicine on a regular basis and CHOOSE not to take advantage of it. Opportunities that many people in this world wished they had, and why? Mostly because of an article in a magazine (not a journal) that has been proven to be false. There is no proven connection between vaccines and autism, yet these diseases...once practically obliterated...are now making a comeback and can kill. Meanwhile some older child walks into a daycare carrying measles or some other disease that could have been easily prevented and some poor infant who has not yet been vaccinated because they have not yet been scheduled to gets it. No ones telling people not to be able to make decisions regarding their childs health, but people who do this make decisions regarding other people's health too.
I'm sorry, but the chick embryo thing is a weak arguement IMO. Take a look at the ingredients in some process foods...aspertame, MSG, nitrates, etc can be just as bad and hold no medical/health value.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
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Posted by Tilde
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LittleBlueBug
Meanwhile some older child walks into a daycare carrying measles or some other disease that could have been easily prevented and some poor infant who has not yet been vaccinated because they have not yet been scheduled to gets it. No ones telling people not to be able to make decisions regarding their childs health, but people who do this make decisions regarding other people's health too.
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See THIS- right here- is what kills me. This is why I don't believe there should be any exceptions to getting vaccines before entering daycare. I am sorry. You are putting INNOCENT babies at risk when you allow a non vaccinated child into the daycare. School is one thing- the kids are old enough that the ones whose parents want them vacinated are already fully protected. But daycares have infants who are too young for all their shots.
Once my DD has all her shots, I won't worry so much- but she hasn't yet had MMR and this is so freaking scary to me.
I really think there should be NO exception to this law when it comes to daycares with infants. Sorry. You chose to not vaccinated your kid then fine. But then you should give up the option of daycare. It's not fair to everyone else.
And I really don't care if it's PC for me to say this or not.
I really don't...
Do you really want to pick and choose when we respect someone's religious beliefs?
Absolutely. 100% I do when I feel that there is a possibility that it could put my child's life in danger.
Once we say screw your religious beliefs in one area we can then ignore all beliefs.
There are a lot of people citing "religious beliefs" to have a vaccine exemption who really aren't against them for religious reasons. That is not fair. Too many people are using this catch all phrase to exempt their child. People who genuinely have religious beliefs that prohibit them from vaccines can do that. But then they should seek alternative day care arrangements, such as one associated to their religion. There are plenty of faith based daycares around.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by MrsPornStar
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by Tilde
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LittleBlueBug
Meanwhile some older child walks into a daycare carrying measles or some other disease that could have been easily prevented and some poor infant who has not yet been vaccinated because they have not yet been scheduled to gets it. No ones telling people not to be able to make decisions regarding their childs health, but people who do this make decisions regarding other people's health too.
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See THIS- right here- is what kills me. This is why I don't believe there should be any exceptions to getting vaccines before entering daycare. I am sorry. You are putting INNOCENT babies at risk when you allow a non vaccinated child into the daycare. School is one thing- the kids are old enough that the ones whose parents want them vacinated are already fully protected. But daycares have infants who are too young for all their shots.
Once my DD has all her shots, I won't worry so much- but she hasn't yet had MMR and this is so freaking scary to me.
I really think there should be NO exception to this law when it comes to daycares with infants. Sorry. You chose to not vaccinated your kid then fine. But then you should give up the option of daycare. It's not fair to everyone else.
And I really don't care if it's PC for me to say this or not.
I really don't...
Do you really want to pick and choose when we respect someone's religious beliefs?
Absolutely. 100% I do when I feel that there is a possibility that it could put my child's life in danger.
Once we say screw your religious beliefs in one area we can then ignore all beliefs.
There are a lot of people citing "religious beliefs" to have a vaccine exemption who really aren't against them for religious reasons. That is not fair. Too many people are using this catch all phrase to exempt their child. People who genuinely have religious beliefs that prohibit them from vaccines can do that. But then they should seek alternative day care arrangements, such as one associated to their religion. There are plenty of faith based daycares around.
i agree with this and the above post that nervousnell wrote
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
I think as long as there are enough good daycares that will not make an exception and 100% require vaccinations, there can also be places that do not require vaccinations. That way, everyone has options that they are comfortable with.
Personally, I chose to vaccinate my children on schedule. After speaking with numerous doctors about the risks (because I was scared at first), I was 100% comfortable with my decision. I also have received tons of vaccinations in my life, and never once had a reaction. (i've gotten a flu shot every year, and got lots of shots, including rabies shots, when i went to africa several years ago. and many all at once.) We all got the swine flu shot when it came out, and I was pregnant at the time. My kids have never had a reaction, and hopefully it stays that way.
However, I do understand being nervous about the shots, or about being morally opposed--if that is in fact your true belief, and you are consistent across the board (meaning you are not using it as an excuse in this one area simply because you are nervous about the vaccine itself.) That said, if you choose not to vaccinate, I believe with that comes a responsibility to the community as a whole, which includes not trying to sneak your child into a daycare or school that generally requires vaccinations, or trying to have rules bent just for you. There are other options. if you are considering not to vaccinate for whatever reason, I believe you should factor those consequences into your decision.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
OMG formaldehyde? Yea i get people are stupid enough to get hair straightening with this crap but injecting it? WOW. This probably why i had such a reaction to the diphtheria - tetanus - pertussis boost i got recently. I wanted to become a mortician but i had a huge skin reaction to formaldehyde.
I still think people should be vaccinated but why is it we are using toxic chemicals (and yes formaldehyde is DEADLY) in these shots. I could care less about embryos and skin tissues of animals. Man this really has shed some light on what I might do and not do when I have a kid. I am not getting certain shots and I am definitely spacing them. I might even see if you could do blood work for allergies before pumping the kid with this crap. I mean MSG? My brother has huge allergic reaction to that gives him migraines and he vomits and he is 42!
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by Nifheim
OMG formaldehyde? Yea i get people are stupid enough to get hair straightening with this crap but injecting it? WOW. This probably why i had such a reaction to the diphtheria - tetanus - pertussis boost i got recently. I wanted to become a mortician but i had a huge skin reaction to formaldehyde.
I still think people should be vaccinated but why is it we are using toxic chemicals (and yes formaldehyde is DEADLY) in these shots. I could care less about embryos and skin tissues of animals. Man this really has shed some light on what I might do and not do when I have a kid. I am not getting certain shots and I am definitely spacing them. I might even see if you could do blood work for allergies before pumping the kid with this crap. I mean MSG? My brother has huge allergic reaction to that gives him migraines and he vomits and he is 42!
I would look into more reputable sources (NIH articles and talking to your future child's Dr) before making an informed decision. A chat board and anecdotes aren't really the best way to make informed decisions for your health.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Found this on the CDC website:
Why is formaldehyde in some vaccines?
Formaldehyde has a long history of safe use in the manufacture of certain viral and bacterial vaccines. It is used to inactivate viruses so that they don’t cause disease (e.g., influenza virus to make influenza vaccine) and to detoxify bacterial toxins, such as the toxin used to make diphtheria vaccine. Formaldehyde is diluted during the vaccine manufacturing process, but residual quantities of formaldehyde may be found in some current vaccines. The average amount of formaldehyde to which a young infant could be exposed to at one time through vaccines is considered to be safe.
Formaldehyde is also produced naturally in the human body as a part of normal functions of the body to produce energy and build the basic materials needed for important life processes. This includes making amino acids, which are the building blocks of proteins that the body needs.
Formaldehyde is also found in the environment and is present in different ways. It is used in building materials, as a preservative in labs and to produce many household products.
The body continuously processes formaldehyde, both from what it makes on its own and from what it has been exposed to in the environment. The amount of formaldehyde in a person’s body depends on their weight; babies have lower amounts than adults. Studies have shown that for a newborn of average weight of 6 -8 pounds, the amount of formaldehyde in their body is 50-70 times higher than the upper amount that they could receive from a single dose of a vaccine or from vaccines administered over time (1,2,3).
Excessive exposure to formaldehyde may cause cancer, but the latest research has shown that the highest risk is from the air when formaldehyde is inhaled from breathing, and occurs more frequently in people who routinely use formaldehyde in their jobs. There is no evidence linking cancer to infrequent exposure to tiny amounts of formaldehyde via injection as occurs with vaccines.
ETA the link that explains the other ingredients. CDC link
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by MrsPornStar
There are a lot of people citing "religious beliefs" to have a vaccine exemption who really aren't against them for religious reasons. That is not fair. Too many people are using this catch all phrase to exempt their child. People who genuinely have religious beliefs that prohibit them from vaccines can do that.
That's correct (at least in NY). Right now, for NYS, the only exemptions are religion & medical. Many states do accept philosophical beliefs.
http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx
Also from what I understand about the religious exemption, it has nothing to do with aborted fetus or embroyonic tissue. It has to do with a religion that has a tenement that followers choose prayer as treatment for themselves and their children. Another key point is that you cannot pick & choose your vaccines you're willing to accept if you are claiming religious beliefs.
http://www.nvic.org/vaccine-laws.aspx
A daycare has every right to make its own rules about the immunization requirements. Public schools don't.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by nrthshgrl
A daycare has every right to make its own rules about the immunization requirements. Public schools don't.
Actually this is not true. Any place that functions as a day care or school, whether public or private, cannot have a blanket policy on vaccinations. They are legally required to review vaccine exemption letters, they cannot just reject them outright. Here is a link to the law if anyone is interested. http://ffitz.com/nyvic/law/NYvaxLaws-7-2008/NYS-2164.txt
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by brownie
Posted by Nifheim
OMG formaldehyde? Yea i get people are stupid enough to get hair straightening with this crap but injecting it? WOW. This probably why i had such a reaction to the diphtheria - tetanus - pertussis boost i got recently. I wanted to become a mortician but i had a huge skin reaction to formaldehyde.
I still think people should be vaccinated but why is it we are using toxic chemicals (and yes formaldehyde is DEADLY) in these shots. I could care less about embryos and skin tissues of animals. Man this really has shed some light on what I might do and not do when I have a kid. I am not getting certain shots and I am definitely spacing them. I might even see if you could do blood work for allergies before pumping the kid with this crap. I mean MSG? My brother has huge allergic reaction to that gives him migraines and he vomits and he is 42!
I would look into more reputable sources (NIH articles and talking to your future child's Dr) before making an informed decision. A chat board and anecdotes aren't really the best way to make informed decisions for your health.
I agree to do way more research before making any decisions regarding your health.
But if you don't like my sources in regards to ingredients please feel free to prove me wrong, and I don't mean that in a combative way. I love reading new information.
Also, here is a list of ingredients from Merk co. itself. Yes, one of the ingredients is formaldehyde. Merk website
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
you also have to realize drug companies simulate natural substances and the simulation is what is toxic not the natural substance. (probably explaining this bizarrely) but its like hormone replacement therapy. People are given artificial hormones which are "toxic" to SOME people and researches found this increases your risk for cells to degenerate. If you use natural hormones that aren't made from a few compounds you have a less likely chance of your cells forming into cancer cells.
The only reason why i know some medical info is because two of my cousins are scientist for pharmaceutical companies and honestly they don't take any of the drugs they created because of what is in them.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by brownie
I would look into more reputable sources (NIH articles and talking to your future child's Dr) before making an informed decision. A chat board and anecdotes aren't really the best way to make informed decisions for your health.
ITA i plan on getting ingredient listings since now I was made aware of what could be in the formulas. I also said I think i will get a allergy panel done on the baby prior to getting shots to see if they have a reaction to any of the ingredients in the shot. I am being paranoid (don't have a kid yet) because of how my body and my families body reacted to shots given to us. I can't take the flu shot because i get violently ill from it - i rather just get the flu!
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Posted by katiebug
I agree to do way more research before making any decisions regarding your health.
But if you don't like my sources in regards to ingredients please feel free to prove me wrong, and I don't mean that in a combative way. I love reading new information.
Also, here is a list of ingredients from Merk co. itself. Yes, one of the ingredients is formaldehyde. Merk website
Diana's link above should suffice.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by MrsPornStar
There are a lot of people citing "religious beliefs" to have a vaccine exemption who really aren't against them for religious reasons. That is not fair. Too many people are using this catch all phrase to exempt their child. People who genuinely have religious beliefs that prohibit them from vaccines can do that.
That's correct (at least in NY). Right now, for NYS, the only exemptions are religion & medical. Many states do accept philosophical beliefs.
http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx
Also from what I understand about the religious exemption, it has nothing to do with aborted fetus or embroyonic tissue. It has to do with a religion that has a tenement that followers choose prayer as treatment for themselves and their children. Another key point is that you cannot pick & choose your vaccines you're willing to accept if you are claiming religious beliefs.
http://www.nvic.org/vaccine-laws.aspx
A daycare has every right to make its own rules about the immunization requirements. Public schools don't.
I know people who have used the abortion case and won. That is the only reason why I even mentioned it.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Compared to other places in the country, NYC has GREAT medical insurance.
I know of 8 kids right now that are very very behind on shots....mainly because shots are oop...and they haven't paid ped for the first round yet. Shots are expensive if insurance doesn't cover them.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by nrthshgrl
A daycare has every right to make its own rules about the immunization requirements. Public schools don't.
Actually this is not true. Any place that functions as a day care or school, whether public or private, cannot have a blanket policy on vaccinations. They are legally required to review vaccine exemption letters, they cannot just reject them outright. Here is a link to the law if anyone is interested. http://ffitz.com/nyvic/law/NYvaxLaws-7-2008/NYS-2164.txt
Thank you. I wasn't aware...and thank you for the link! I love when people provide backup!
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by Janice
Compared to other places in the country, NYC has GREAT medical insurance.
I know of 8 kids right now that are very very behind on shots....mainly because shots are oop...and they haven't paid ped for the first round yet. Shots are expensive if insurance doesn't cover them.
I know NY DOH does them but there is a national program to get underinsured children vaccinated:
Vaccines - CDC's Website
Underinsured: A child who has commercial (private) health insurance but the coverage does not include vaccines, a child whose insurance covers only selected vaccines (VFC-eligible for non-covered vaccines only), or a child whose insurance caps vaccine coverage at a certain amount. Once that coverage amount is reached, the child is categorized as underinsured. Underinsured children are eligible to receive VFC vaccine only through a Federally Qualified Health Center (FQHC) or Rural Health Clinic (RHC).
Children whose health insurance covers the cost of vaccinations are not eligible for VFC vaccines, even when a claim for the cost of the vaccine and its administration would be denied for payment by the insurance carrier because the plan's deductible had not been met.
What is an FQHC?
An FQHC is a health center that is designated by the Bureau of Primary Health Care (BPHC) of the Health Services and Resources Administration (HRSA) to provide health care to a medically underserved population. FQHCs include community and migrant health centers, special health facilities such as those for the homeless and persons with acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) that receive grants under the Public Health Service (PHS) Act, and "look-alikes," which meet the qualifications but do not actually receive grant funds. They also include health centers within public housing and Indian health centers.
What is an RHC?
An RHC is a clinic located in a Health Professional Shortage Area, a Medically Underserved Area, or a Governor-Designated Shortage Area. RHCs are required to be staffed by physician assistants, nurse practitioners, or certified nurse midwives at least half of the time that the clinic is open.
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
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Posted by Nifheim
i have to throw this out there but does anybody actually know whats in any of the shots? i mean do they have a label of what "ingredients" are used in the product?
I am not trying to start anything but I am kinda curious since the shots used to contain mercury (the ones I had as a child did) and I have no clue what is in today's shots.
cow and monkey tissue, fetal tissues, preservatives of varying types.
The info is in the box the meds ship in, your pediatrician can give you a detailed handout or you can go to Pfizer/Merck sites
WHAT??? why???? are you serious
The cow and monkey tissue aspect only became a real issue when mad cow issue passed through Europe.
My husband is originally from Scotland so I saw the coverage when visiting his folks.
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I don't post much on here but I have a similar situation...my sister and her husband choose not to vaccinate there children either, they are 3 and 6 yrs old. The 3yo attends daycare and preschool with no issues and the 6 yo is in school with no issues. I thought they were nuts...at first! After doing hours of research because I just couldn't understand why they would not want to protect there children I understand where they are coming from and I understand there fears. Do I understand enough not to vaccinate my children...no. My DC have all the REQUIRED vaccines not the recommended ones (ie..rotovirus, hep A..etc) When my DS was born I never had a fear of having my niece and nephew around him.
My brothers son actually had the measles at the age of 2 and he was vaccinated, thank god he had a full recovery.
My thoughts are its there child...if they chose not to vaccinate then its there choice. I would never pass judgement on anyone that chooses not to vaccinate. As far as daycare and school goes...a child should not be attending if they have any kind of illness including a rash vaccinated or not vaccinated. Necassary precautions should always be taken(ie...handwashing, disinfecting...etc)
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Re: Not vaccinating your child and daycare/public school
Posted by dita
If people vaccinated their children we wouldn't keep hearing about this.
Thats not exactly true.. just because you have been vaccinated does NOT mean you will never get the disease. It of course makes it much less likely, but it does not 100% guarantee that you won't get it.
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Posted by Aries14
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One of my friends has not and will not vaccinate her children. Both children currently attend preschool and she has only had to fill out paperwork stating that they do not vaccinate their children & a note from the doctor stating that her children are in good health. This is the lifestyle her family lives---they live a lifestyle as green as can be---no cooked food, no TV, etc.
Same for my sister. Her one son has a few vaccines and when he had a bad reaction to one she stopped and her younger son has none. They are both in public schools with no problem.
In the latest example, you can claim medical issues and a PED can sign paperwork. That's different and easier than religious belief in NY.
You also cannot pick and chose which vaccines. That means NO VACCINES AT ALL EVER!!!!
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