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I’ve been trying to find the actual answer to this. I know some on here have a science / medical background

How do the vaccines given early on protect against NEW variants.

My in-laws got the shot months ago. All they hear is “don’t worry you’re fine”. But if these are new, never before seen variants how does the vaccine protect against getting them? They are high risk and this makes them nervous and wish they would just come out with a booster.

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I have not heard anyone really talk about the variant and the current vaccine. I guess they don’t want to scare people not to get the vaccine if they hear it might not work.

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There's been a lot of talk about variants. They've seen them for a while. The Delta variant is becoming the dominant one around the world, and in the US. They've known about it since December 2020, so they've had time to test it against the current vaccines. They can study it in the labs, where they can see that the mRNA vaccine is very effective against it, and they can test it in "the wild", by observing people that are vaccinated and not vaccinated, and see the results.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-19-delta-variant-what-to-know

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/the-delta-variant-of-sars-cov-2-what-do-we-know-about-it

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Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by GoldenRod

There's been a lot of talk about variants. They've seen them for a while. The Delta variant is becoming the dominant one around the world, and in the US. They've known about it since December 2020, so they've had time to test it against the current vaccines. They can study it in the labs, where they can see that the mRNA vaccine is very effective against it, and they can test it in "the wild", by observing people that are vaccinated and not vaccinated, and see the results.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-19-delta-variant-what-to-know

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/the-delta-variant-of-sars-cov-2-what-do-we-know-about-it

All of this.

There has been constant discussion regarding the vaccines effectiveness against variants for some time now. I'm not sure why anyone would think this is something that is not being talked about.

Message edited 6/21/2021 8:25:42 PM.

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Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by GoldenRod

There's been a lot of talk about variants. They've seen them for a while. The Delta variant is becoming the dominant one around the world, and in the US. They've known about it since December 2020, so they've had time to test it against the current vaccines. They can study it in the labs, where they can see that the mRNA vaccine is very effective against it, and they can test it in "the wild", by observing people that are vaccinated and not vaccinated, and see the results.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-19-delta-variant-what-to-know

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/the-delta-variant-of-sars-cov-2-what-do-we-know-about-it

All of this.

There has been constant discussion regarding the vaccines effectiveness against variants for some time now. I'm not sure why anyone would think this is something that is not being talked about.

I read today (it may have been a times article from a week or 2 ago) that the mNRA vaccines seem to be 88% for the delta variant and J&J and Az were 60%

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Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by GoldenRod

There's been a lot of talk about variants. They've seen them for a while. The Delta variant is becoming the dominant one around the world, and in the US. They've known about it since December 2020, so they've had time to test it against the current vaccines. They can study it in the labs, where they can see that the mRNA vaccine is very effective against it, and they can test it in "the wild", by observing people that are vaccinated and not vaccinated, and see the results.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-19-delta-variant-what-to-know

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/the-delta-variant-of-sars-cov-2-what-do-we-know-about-it

All of this.

There has been constant discussion regarding the vaccines effectiveness against variants for some time now. I'm not sure why anyone would think this is something that is not being talked about.

I read today (it may have been a times article from a week or 2 ago) that the mNRA vaccines seem to be 88% for the delta variant and J&J and Az were 60%

If you read news articles they are basically trying to scare people to get the vaccine.
The question from the OP is will they still be protected from the vaccine they got.
Lots of unanswered questions.

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Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by GoldenRod

There's been a lot of talk about variants. They've seen them for a while. The Delta variant is becoming the dominant one around the world, and in the US. They've known about it since December 2020, so they've had time to test it against the current vaccines. They can study it in the labs, where they can see that the mRNA vaccine is very effective against it, and they can test it in "the wild", by observing people that are vaccinated and not vaccinated, and see the results.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-19-delta-variant-what-to-know

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/the-delta-variant-of-sars-cov-2-what-do-we-know-about-it

All of this.

There has been constant discussion regarding the vaccines effectiveness against variants for some time now. I'm not sure why anyone would think this is something that is not being talked about.

I read today (it may have been a times article from a week or 2 ago) that the mNRA vaccines seem to be 88% for the delta variant and J&J and Az were 60%

If you read news articles they are basically trying to scare people to get the vaccine.
The question from the OP is will they still be protected from the vaccine they got.
Lots of unanswered questions.

And what I was saying Is yes. We are supposedly protected for 1 year. They first thought 6 mo but as time goes on and they continue to test those who are vaccinated, it’s now moved to 1 year from completed vaccination. Maybe it’ll extend more or maybe there will be boosters.

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Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by GoldenRod

There's been a lot of talk about variants. They've seen them for a while. The Delta variant is becoming the dominant one around the world, and in the US. They've known about it since December 2020, so they've had time to test it against the current vaccines. They can study it in the labs, where they can see that the mRNA vaccine is very effective against it, and they can test it in "the wild", by observing people that are vaccinated and not vaccinated, and see the results.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-19-delta-variant-what-to-know

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/the-delta-variant-of-sars-cov-2-what-do-we-know-about-it

All of this.

There has been constant discussion regarding the vaccines effectiveness against variants for some time now. I'm not sure why anyone would think this is something that is not being talked about.

I read today (it may have been a times article from a week or 2 ago) that the mNRA vaccines seem to be 88% for the delta variant and J&J and Az were 60%

I’m hoping my natural corona virus antibodies mixed w the J&J vaccine give me decent protection

Found something similar on nj.com

Vaccine efficacy on new delta variant

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Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by GoldenRod

There's been a lot of talk about variants. They've seen them for a while. The Delta variant is becoming the dominant one around the world, and in the US. They've known about it since December 2020, so they've had time to test it against the current vaccines. They can study it in the labs, where they can see that the mRNA vaccine is very effective against it, and they can test it in "the wild", by observing people that are vaccinated and not vaccinated, and see the results.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-19-delta-variant-what-to-know

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/the-delta-variant-of-sars-cov-2-what-do-we-know-about-it

All of this.

There has been constant discussion regarding the vaccines effectiveness against variants for some time now. I'm not sure why anyone would think this is something that is not being talked about.

I read today (it may have been a times article from a week or 2 ago) that the mNRA vaccines seem to be 88% for the delta variant and J&J and Az were 60%

I’m hoping my natural corona virus antibodies mixed w the J&J vaccine give me decent protection

Found something similar on nj.com

Vaccine efficacy on new delta variant

Thanks for sharing. Like you, I'm banking on my natural antibodies coupled with the vaccine to keep me safe. I have no doubt they will continue to tweak the vaccine as needed to account for any new variants that arise.

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The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.

ETA I probably should have said it's not an entirely different virus from the one the vaccine was designed to target (and not used the word new).

Coronaviruses are not new, but COVID-19 is a far deadlier strain than other coronaviruses.

Message edited 6/22/2021 8:18:00 AM.

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Posted by windyweather21

Posted by LuckyStar

The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.

Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.

Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?

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It's truly astonishing to me that over a year into a global pandemic with hundreds of thousands dead and countless others suffering from long term health effects of having had COVID there are still people comparing COVID 19 to "any other virus or flu" as if it's no big deal.

Message edited 6/22/2021 8:02:08 AM.

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Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by GoldenRod

There's been a lot of talk about variants. They've seen them for a while. The Delta variant is becoming the dominant one around the world, and in the US. They've known about it since December 2020, so they've had time to test it against the current vaccines. They can study it in the labs, where they can see that the mRNA vaccine is very effective against it, and they can test it in "the wild", by observing people that are vaccinated and not vaccinated, and see the results.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-19-delta-variant-what-to-know

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/the-delta-variant-of-sars-cov-2-what-do-we-know-about-it

All of this.

There has been constant discussion regarding the vaccines effectiveness against variants for some time now. I'm not sure why anyone would think this is something that is not being talked about.

I read today (it may have been a times article from a week or 2 ago) that the mNRA vaccines seem to be 88% for the delta variant and J&J and Az were 60%

I’m hoping my natural corona virus antibodies mixed w the J&J vaccine give me decent protection

Found something similar on nj.com

Vaccine efficacy on new delta variant

Thanks for sharing. Like you, I'm banking on my natural antibodies coupled with the vaccine to keep me safe. I have no doubt they will continue to tweak the vaccine as needed to account for any new variants that arise.

Honestly that’s all we can do.

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Posted by klingklang77

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by LuckyStar

The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.

Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.

Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?

Coronavirus is the main name of a large family of viruses. Covid 19 goes under that. I am sure you knew that already as Lysol has always had on their can kills coronavirus way before Covid came around.
There will always be variants of viruses under the Coronavirus name. Just like there have always been.

Message edited 6/22/2021 8:29:44 AM.

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It's truly astonishing to me that over a year into a global pandemic with hundreds of thousands dead and countless others suffering from long term health effects of having had COVID there are still people comparing COVID 19 to "any other virus or flu" as if it's no big deal.

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Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by LuckyStar

The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.

Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.

Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?

Coronavirus is the main name of a large family of viruses. Covid 19 goes under that. I am sure you knew that already as Lysol has always had on their can kills coronavirus way before Covid came around.
There will always be variants of viruses under the Coronavirus name. Just like there have always been.

I am very familiar with Coronaviruses and have a lot of experience with the FCoV variation in cats that mutates into FIP. I’ve read a lot of studies about this particular Coronavirus (FCoV)

But anyway, I’m asking you to clarify your statement about “every other Coronavirus before this one.” Any studies or anything about mutations in Coronavirus (all of them, not just CoVID) that you could point me to? The mutations have been a very complex subject and I’m wondering if you have more info. You seem to have some info (hopefully more than a Lysol bottle!) about this with your statement.

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Posted by klingklang77

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by LuckyStar

The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.

Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.

Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?

Coronavirus is the main name of a large family of viruses. Covid 19 goes under that. I am sure you knew that already as Lysol has always had on their can kills coronavirus way before Covid came around.
There will always be variants of viruses under the Coronavirus name. Just like there have always been.

I am very familiar with Coronaviruses and have a lot of experience with the FCoV variation in cats that mutates into FIP. I’ve read a lot of studies about this particular Coronavirus (FCoV)

But anyway, I’m asking you to clarify your statement about “every other Coronavirus before this one.” Any studies or anything about mutations in Coronavirus (all of them, not just CoVID) that you could point me to? The mutations have been a very complex subject and I’m wondering if you have more info. You seem to have some info (hopefully more than a Lysol bottle!) about this with your statement.

We are speaking of the variant of this coronavirus, Delta. The poster is simply asking if anyone knows if this current vaccine will cover this new variant.
I only know as much as I hear and it seems some have tried to help her with numbers that were given which is numbers lower than for Covid 19 protection.
I have tried not to consume my time with this as life is pretty much back to normal (for the most part, unfortunately some things here in NY still have restrictions) for most people and we all just have to take things day to day. I won’t sit around fearing the news but I will be aware what is going on around me :)

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Posted by Hofstra26

It's truly astonishing to me that over a year into a global pandemic with hundreds of thousands dead and countless others suffering from long term health effects of having had COVID there are still people comparing COVID 19 to "any other virus or flu" as if it's no big deal.

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Posted by klingklang77

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by windyweather21

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Posted by windyweather21

Posted by LuckyStar

The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.

Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.

Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?

Coronavirus is the main name of a large family of viruses. Covid 19 goes under that. I am sure you knew that already as Lysol has always had on their can kills coronavirus way before Covid came around.
There will always be variants of viruses under the Coronavirus name. Just like there have always been.

I am very familiar with Coronaviruses and have a lot of experience with the FCoV variation in cats that mutates into FIP. I’ve read a lot of studies about this particular Coronavirus (FCoV)

But anyway, I’m asking you to clarify your statement about “every other Coronavirus before this one.” Any studies or anything about mutations in Coronavirus (all of them, not just CoVID) that you could point me to? The mutations have been a very complex subject and I’m wondering if you have more info. You seem to have some info (hopefully more than a Lysol bottle!) about this with your statement.

We are speaking of the variant of this coronavirus, Delta. The poster is simply asking if anyone knows if this current vaccine will cover this new variant.
I only know as much as I hear and it seems some have tried to help her with numbers that were given which is numbers lower than for Covid 19 protection.
I have tried not to consume my time with this as life is pretty much back to normal (for the most part, unfortunately some things here in NY still have restrictions) for most people and we all just have to take things day to day. I won’t sit around fearing the news but I will be aware what is going on around me :)

You mentioned other Coronaviruses. That’s why I asked. *shrug*

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A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected

(CNN)Two people are dead and four of their coworkers were hospitalized after a Covid-19 outbreak swept through a government building in Manatee County, Florida.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html

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Posted by klingklang77

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Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

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Posted by LuckyStar

The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.

Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.

Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?

Coronavirus is the main name of a large family of viruses. Covid 19 goes under that. I am sure you knew that already as Lysol has always had on their can kills coronavirus way before Covid came around.
There will always be variants of viruses under the Coronavirus name. Just like there have always been.

I am very familiar with Coronaviruses and have a lot of experience with the FCoV variation in cats that mutates into FIP. I’ve read a lot of studies about this particular Coronavirus (FCoV)

But anyway, I’m asking you to clarify your statement about “every other Coronavirus before this one.” Any studies or anything about mutations in Coronavirus (all of them, not just CoVID) that you could point me to? The mutations have been a very complex subject and I’m wondering if you have more info. You seem to have some info (hopefully more than a Lysol bottle!) about this with your statement.

We are speaking of the variant of this coronavirus, Delta. The poster is simply asking if anyone knows if this current vaccine will cover this new variant.
I only know as much as I hear and it seems some have tried to help her with numbers that were given which is numbers lower than for Covid 19 protection.
I have tried not to consume my time with this as life is pretty much back to normal (for the most part, unfortunately some things here in NY still have restrictions) for most people and we all just have to take things day to day. I won’t sit around fearing the news but I will be aware what is going on around me :)

You mentioned other Coronaviruses. That’s why I asked. *shrug*

You didn't actually expect a satisfactory answer, did you? lol