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Re: Science explanation
Posted by LittleDiva
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Well that took a turn.
I was just looking for a dumbed down answer that someone without a science/medical background could understand. For example, the mRNA vaccines just know to attack anything with a spike protein and the new variants have a spike protein. (obviously I just made that up)
All I find when I try to look it up is “vaccinated are protected”. I’m just trying to understand this. And my in-laws are concerned as they had their vaccine months ago and sit here and wonder if they are still protected as these new variants come out.
. And to be honest, as more variants do emerge I would like a better understanding for myself as I’m still on the fence about the vaccine. I’m also trying to educate myself a little because I’m making my decision right before cold and flu season as I want to make sure the vaccine is effective and not worn off during peak time.
I’m not being a jerk but really this question is best suited for your doctor or your in-laws doctor.
They asked and got “don’t worry you’re protected”.
Then I would get a second opinion and/or change doctors.
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by LittleDiva
Well that took a turn.
I was just looking for a dumbed down answer that someone without a science/medical background could understand. For example, the mRNA vaccines just know to attack anything with a spike protein and the new variants have a spike protein. (obviously I just made that up)
All I find when I try to look it up is “vaccinated are protected”. I’m just trying to understand this. And my in-laws are concerned as they had their vaccine months ago and sit here and wonder if they are still protected as these new variants come out.
. And to be honest, as more variants do emerge I would like a better understanding for myself as I’m still on the fence about the vaccine. I’m also trying to educate myself a little because I’m making my decision right before cold and flu season as I want to make sure the vaccine is effective and not worn off during peak time.
As usual and still no answers and honestly, as much as they try and go on and on here, I don’t think they truly know how long the vaccine works on each person and their immune system.
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by BFNY516
I’m starting to think mandated vaccines for workplaces are crucial now.
Why? Because of one story that came out that we don’t know much details other than 2 people died and the 1 person in the department that didn’t get sick was vaccinated? What about other offices that spread the virus that was not all over the news?
We’re not “allowed” to talk about those cases or anything related to it. Pretty much nothing that’s not positive about the magical, unicorn cure. Remember?
Exactly. One fear mongering story as they got nothing left anymore and using this Delta variant. It is sad for anyone to get sick and die but we never look into these stories and the news will never elaborate as that is not in their agenda.
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by windyweather21
Original question. NO ONE was speaking of animals so not sure why you even introduced it at all.:
I’ve been trying to find the actual answer to this. I know some on here have a science / medical background
How do the vaccines given early on protect against NEW variants.
My in-laws got the shot months ago. All they hear is “don’t worry you’re fine”. But if these are new, never before seen variants how does the vaccine protect against getting them? They are high risk and this makes them nervous and wish they would just come out with a booster.
Here is the science answer.
Viruses have multiple spike proteins on them. The mRNA vaccines contain the genetic code that the ribosomes in your cells use to make said spike proteins. (mRNA codes for specific amino acids, which bond together to make proteins).
In response, your body makes specific antibodies.
A variant may still have some of the spike proteins found on the original virus, but it also has a new ones due to the mutation. Mutations *MAY* change the shape of some of the proteins dues to the folding interactions of the amino acids coded for. Amino Acid interactions change due to polarity and hydrophobicity. Often the shape is altered due to a mutation, but the severity of the change in shape will dictate if your antibodies will still work against the new variants. According to current studies, the antibodies produced due to vaccination can still neutralize the delta variant of the virus.
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by LittleDiva
I’ve been trying to find the actual answer to this. I know some on here have a science / medical background
How do the vaccines given early on protect against NEW variants.
My in-laws got the shot months ago. All they hear is “don’t worry you’re fine”. But if these are new, never before seen variants how does the vaccine protect against getting them? They are high risk and this makes them nervous and wish they would just come out with a booster.
Most articles I just pulled up basically say, don’t worry about it, you will be fine if you are vaccinated. 
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BFNY516
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by LittleDiva
Well that took a turn.
I was just looking for a dumbed down answer that someone without a science/medical background could understand. For example, the mRNA vaccines just know to attack anything with a spike protein and the new variants have a spike protein. (obviously I just made that up)
All I find when I try to look it up is “vaccinated are protected”. I’m just trying to understand this. And my in-laws are concerned as they had their vaccine months ago and sit here and wonder if they are still protected as these new variants come out.
. And to be honest, as more variants do emerge I would like a better understanding for myself as I’m still on the fence about the vaccine. I’m also trying to educate myself a little because I’m making my decision right before cold and flu season as I want to make sure the vaccine is effective and not worn off during peak time.
As usual and still no answers and honestly, as much as they try and go on and on here, I don’t think they truly know how long the vaccine works on each person and their immune system.
Would anyone really take the scientific word of any user here?
“Oh yes, in-laws. You’re protected. I asked on this website where the timestamp is set back to 2004 and a user by the name of BippityBoppity26 said that you’re covered 98.6% until at least November 12th for the new variant. BippityBoppity usually sticks to the fashion forum and gives recommendations on leggings and once gave me a great quiche recipe, but I trust them.”
Not knocking Diva but your comment about “as usual still no answers”.
No one here is equipped to answer her question safely or accurately.
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Re: Science explanation
At this point, it's really hard to argue the case that the vaccines don't work, aren't impactful and don't matter. The fact is, you're better off being vaccinated than not even if that means you *might* need a booster shot somewhere down the line. The rates of efficacy of the vaccine really are incredible.
After seeing so many people I know get sick, some still suffering with long term health effects and sadly some who have passed away it makes me all the more thankful that we have this vaccine available to us. COVID is a cr@p shoot, nobody knows for certain that they won't get it or how they'll respond if they do. The vaccine is peace of mind that you'll more than likely be ok instead of going it alone like a game of Russian roulette.
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by LittleDiva
Well that took a turn.
I was just looking for a dumbed down answer that someone without a science/medical background could understand. For example, the mRNA vaccines just know to attack anything with a spike protein and the new variants have a spike protein. (obviously I just made that up)
All I find when I try to look it up is “vaccinated are protected”. I’m just trying to understand this. And my in-laws are concerned as they had their vaccine months ago and sit here and wonder if they are still protected as these new variants come out.
. And to be honest, as more variants do emerge I would like a better understanding for myself as I’m still on the fence about the vaccine. I’m also trying to educate myself a little because I’m making my decision right before cold and flu season as I want to make sure the vaccine is effective and not worn off during peak time.
As usual and still no answers and honestly, as much as they try and go on and on here, I don’t think they truly know how long the vaccine works on each person and their immune system.
Would anyone really take the scientific word of any user here?
“Oh yes, in-laws. You’re protected. I asked on this website where the timestamp is set back to 2004 and a user by the name of BippityBoppity26 said that you’re covered 98.6% until at least November 12th for the new variant. BippityBoppity usually sticks to the fashion forum and gives recommendations on leggings and once gave me a great quiche recipe, but I trust them.”
Not knocking Diva but your comment about “as usual still no answers”.
No one here is equipped to answer her question safely or accurately.
Did you read the entire thread? Lol. You haven’t seen the few who claim they always know how much the vaccine works and claim that it will work longer than 6 months and will work with different variants.
I’ll take a wait and see approach and keep on living. I feel bad for older people though that might be worried and their questions are brushed aside as the doctors don’t know either.
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by Hofstra26
At this point, it's really hard to argue the case that the vaccines don't work, aren't impactful and don't matter. The fact is, you're better off being vaccinated than not even if that means you *might* need a booster shot somewhere down the line. The rates of efficacy of the vaccine really are incredible.
After seeing so many people I know get sick, some still suffering with long term health effects and sadly some who have passed away it makes me all the more thankful that we have this vaccine available to us. COVID is a cr@p shoot, nobody knows for certain that they won't get it or how they'll respond if they do. The vaccine is peace of mind that you'll more than likely be ok instead of going it alone like a game of Russian roulette.
Agreed.
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by LittleDiva
Well that took a turn.
I was just looking for a dumbed down answer that someone without a science/medical background could understand. For example, the mRNA vaccines just know to attack anything with a spike protein and the new variants have a spike protein. (obviously I just made that up)
All I find when I try to look it up is “vaccinated are protected”. I’m just trying to understand this. And my in-laws are concerned as they had their vaccine months ago and sit here and wonder if they are still protected as these new variants come out.
. And to be honest, as more variants do emerge I would like a better understanding for myself as I’m still on the fence about the vaccine. I’m also trying to educate myself a little because I’m making my decision right before cold and flu season as I want to make sure the vaccine is effective and not worn off during peak time.
As usual and still no answers and honestly, as much as they try and go on and on here, I don’t think they truly know how long the vaccine works on each person and their immune system.
Would anyone really take the scientific word of any user here?
“Oh yes, in-laws. You’re protected. I asked on this website where the timestamp is set back to 2004 and a user by the name of BippityBoppity26 said that you’re covered 98.6% until at least November 12th for the new variant. BippityBoppity usually sticks to the fashion forum and gives recommendations on leggings and once gave me a great quiche recipe, but I trust them.”
Not knocking Diva but your comment about “as usual still no answers”.
No one here is equipped to answer her question safely or accurately.
Best reply of the day!!!!
If you don’t trust a drs answer find a new one!
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by Hofstra26
At this point, it's really hard to argue the case that the vaccines don't work, aren't impactful and don't matter. The fact is, you're better off being vaccinated than not even if that means you *might* need a booster shot somewhere down the line. The rates of efficacy of the vaccine really are incredible.
After seeing so many people I know get sick, some still suffering with long term health effects and sadly some who have passed away it makes me all the more thankful that we have this vaccine available to us. COVID is a cr@p shoot, nobody knows for certain that they won't get it or how they'll respond if they do. The vaccine is peace of mind that you'll more than likely be ok instead of going it alone like a game of Russian roulette.
Agreed.
Seriously. There are no guarantees in anything, let alone trying to stay on top of an unprecedented pandemic. Anyone looking for a guarantee will be sorely disappointed.
But could you imagine if our ancestors had been influenced by a bunch of random strangers and resisted getting vaccines like the small pox and polio shots?
The internet contains virtually all of known human knowledge, but the anonymity it affords amplifies some of the most cruel and ignorant voices. I have a friend who researched the origins of some of the biggest disinformation campaigns surrounding scourges like the pandemic, racism, etc., in this country, and it seems that a lot of the campaigns come from sources that don't mean well for American society at all.
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by BFNY516
I’m starting to think mandated vaccines for workplaces are crucial now.
Why? Because of one story that came out that we don’t know much details other than 2 people died and the 1 person in the department that didn’t get sick was vaccinated? What about other offices that spread the virus that was not all over the news?
We have 18 people in my office, 16 were vaccinated, 2 were not, those two got covid (one tested positve and presumably gave it to the other who tested positive very soon after). Can't get simpler than that
(And yes the 16 of us got tested and all got negatives)
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by LittleDiva
Well that took a turn.
I was just looking for a dumbed down answer that someone without a science/medical background could understand. For example, the mRNA vaccines just know to attack anything with a spike protein and the new variants have a spike protein. (obviously I just made that up)
All I find when I try to look it up is “vaccinated are protected”. I’m just trying to understand this. And my in-laws are concerned as they had their vaccine months ago and sit here and wonder if they are still protected as these new variants come out.
. And to be honest, as more variants do emerge I would like a better understanding for myself as I’m still on the fence about the vaccine. I’m also trying to educate myself a little because I’m making my decision right before cold and flu season as I want to make sure the vaccine is effective and not worn off during peak time.
As usual and still no answers and honestly, as much as they try and go on and on here, I don’t think they truly know how long the vaccine works on each person and their immune system.
Would anyone really take the scientific word of any user here?
“Oh yes, in-laws. You’re protected. I asked on this website where the timestamp is set back to 2004 and a user by the name of BippityBoppity26 said that you’re covered 98.6% until at least November 12th for the new variant. BippityBoppity usually sticks to the fashion forum and gives recommendations on leggings and once gave me a great quiche recipe, but I trust them.”
Not knocking Diva but your comment about “as usual still no answers”.
No one here is equipped to answer her question safely or accurately.
Pitter Patter has STEM credentials IIRC.
Obviously most of us are just screen names to each other but what she wrote jives with my understanding of science.
I would hope that anyone making personal medical decisions or who just wants research based answers needs to ask their doctor, get second opinions, read research based studies with decent sample sizes, etc.
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by Straightarrow
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by BFNY516
I’m starting to think mandated vaccines for workplaces are crucial now.
Why? Because of one story that came out that we don’t know much details other than 2 people died and the 1 person in the department that didn’t get sick was vaccinated? What about other offices that spread the virus that was not all over the news?
We have 18 people in my office, 16 were vaccinated, 2 were not, those two got covid (one tested positve and presumably gave it to the other who tested positive very soon after). Can't get simpler than that
(And yes the 16 of us got tested and all got negatives)
How bad was it for them?
Were they asymptomatic, got very sick, hospitalized, died?
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Straightarrow
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by BFNY516
I’m starting to think mandated vaccines for workplaces are crucial now.
Why? Because of one story that came out that we don’t know much details other than 2 people died and the 1 person in the department that didn’t get sick was vaccinated? What about other offices that spread the virus that was not all over the news?
We have 18 people in my office, 16 were vaccinated, 2 were not, those two got covid (one tested positve and presumably gave it to the other who tested positive very soon after). Can't get simpler than that
(And yes the 16 of us got tested and all got negatives)
How bad was it for them?
Were they asymptomatic, got very sick, hospitalized, died?
One was very ill, one was mildly ill
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Re: Science explanation
I’ll give it up for PitterPatter then (or anyone else here who has similar background). I have the utmost respect for people in the science and medical field, probably more than ever before. 
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by windyweather21
Original question. NO ONE was speaking of animals so not sure why you even introduced it at all.:
I’ve been trying to find the actual answer to this. I know some on here have a science / medical background
How do the vaccines given early on protect against NEW variants.
My in-laws got the shot months ago. All they hear is “don’t worry you’re fine”. But if these are new, never before seen variants how does the vaccine protect against getting them? They are high risk and this makes them nervous and wish they would just come out with a booster.
Here is the science answer.
Viruses have multiple spike proteins on them. The mRNA vaccines contain the genetic code that the ribosomes in your cells use to make said spike proteins. (mRNA codes for specific amino acids, which bond together to make proteins).
In response, your body makes specific antibodies.
A variant may still have some of the spike proteins found on the original virus, but it also has a new ones due to the mutation. Mutations *MAY* change the shape of some of the proteins dues to the folding interactions of the amino acids coded for. Amino Acid interactions change due to polarity and hydrophobicity. Often the shape is altered due to a mutation, but the severity of the change in shape will dictate if your antibodies will still work against the new variants. According to current studies, the antibodies produced due to vaccination can still neutralize the delta variant of the virus.
Thank you for actually answering the OP's question.
This makes a lot of sense. I assume there will come a time where a mutation is significant enough that the vaccine will need to be adjusted, similar to what they do for flu shots every year. It's good to know that's not necessary yet.
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Straightarrow
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by BFNY516
I’m starting to think mandated vaccines for workplaces are crucial now.
Why? Because of one story that came out that we don’t know much details other than 2 people died and the 1 person in the department that didn’t get sick was vaccinated? What about other offices that spread the virus that was not all over the news?
We have 18 people in my office, 16 were vaccinated, 2 were not, those two got covid (one tested positve and presumably gave it to the other who tested positive very soon after). Can't get simpler than that
(And yes the 16 of us got tested and all got negatives)
How bad was it for them?
Were they asymptomatic, got very sick, hospitalized, died?
What are you? Dr. House? 
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Straightarrow
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by BFNY516
I’m starting to think mandated vaccines for workplaces are crucial now.
Why? Because of one story that came out that we don’t know much details other than 2 people died and the 1 person in the department that didn’t get sick was vaccinated? What about other offices that spread the virus that was not all over the news?
We have 18 people in my office, 16 were vaccinated, 2 were not, those two got covid (one tested positve and presumably gave it to the other who tested positive very soon after). Can't get simpler than that
(And yes the 16 of us got tested and all got negatives)
How bad was it for them?
Were they asymptomatic, got very sick, hospitalized, died?
What are you? Dr. House?
I actually held my tongue and didn't say "why do you care?"
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by Straightarrow
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Straightarrow
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by BFNY516
I’m starting to think mandated vaccines for workplaces are crucial now.
Why? Because of one story that came out that we don’t know much details other than 2 people died and the 1 person in the department that didn’t get sick was vaccinated? What about other offices that spread the virus that was not all over the news?
We have 18 people in my office, 16 were vaccinated, 2 were not, those two got covid (one tested positve and presumably gave it to the other who tested positive very soon after). Can't get simpler than that
(And yes the 16 of us got tested and all got negatives)
How bad was it for them?
Were they asymptomatic, got very sick, hospitalized, died?
One was very ill, one was mildly ill
Ugghh :(
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Posted by BFNY516
I’ll give it up for PitterPatter then (or anyone else here who has similar background). I have the utmost respect for people in the science and medical field, probably more than ever before.
You don’t know anyone in the science field? I know a few and they are part of the ones who won’t get the vaccine.
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Straightarrow
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by BFNY516
I’m starting to think mandated vaccines for workplaces are crucial now.
Why? Because of one story that came out that we don’t know much details other than 2 people died and the 1 person in the department that didn’t get sick was vaccinated? What about other offices that spread the virus that was not all over the news?
We have 18 people in my office, 16 were vaccinated, 2 were not, those two got covid (one tested positve and presumably gave it to the other who tested positive very soon after). Can't get simpler than that
(And yes the 16 of us got tested and all got negatives)
How bad was it for them?
Were they asymptomatic, got very sick, hospitalized, died?
What are you? Dr. House?
Better then speaking about cats that have nothing to do with the conversation.
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by LittleDiva
Well that took a turn.
I was just looking for a dumbed down answer that someone without a science/medical background could understand. For example, the mRNA vaccines just know to attack anything with a spike protein and the new variants have a spike protein. (obviously I just made that up)
All I find when I try to look it up is “vaccinated are protected”. I’m just trying to understand this. And my in-laws are concerned as they had their vaccine months ago and sit here and wonder if they are still protected as these new variants come out.
. And to be honest, as more variants do emerge I would like a better understanding for myself as I’m still on the fence about the vaccine. I’m also trying to educate myself a little because I’m making my decision right before cold and flu season as I want to make sure the vaccine is effective and not worn off during peak time.
As usual and still no answers and honestly, as much as they try and go on and on here, I don’t think they truly know how long the vaccine works on each person and their immune system.
Would anyone really take the scientific word of any user here?
“Oh yes, in-laws. You’re protected. I asked on this website where the timestamp is set back to 2004 and a user by the name of BippityBoppity26 said that you’re covered 98.6% until at least November 12th for the new variant. BippityBoppity usually sticks to the fashion forum and gives recommendations on leggings and once gave me a great quiche recipe, but I trust them.”
Not knocking Diva but your comment about “as usual still no answers”.
No one here is equipped to answer her question safely or accurately.
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Straightarrow
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by BFNY516
I’m starting to think mandated vaccines for workplaces are crucial now.
Why? Because of one story that came out that we don’t know much details other than 2 people died and the 1 person in the department that didn’t get sick was vaccinated? What about other offices that spread the virus that was not all over the news?
We have 18 people in my office, 16 were vaccinated, 2 were not, those two got covid (one tested positve and presumably gave it to the other who tested positive very soon after). Can't get simpler than that
(And yes the 16 of us got tested and all got negatives)
How bad was it for them?
Were they asymptomatic, got very sick, hospitalized, died?
What are you? Dr. House?
Better then speaking about cats that have nothing to do with the conversation.
It actually does have something to do with the conversation since you mentioned every coronavirus and mutations.
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