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Re: Science explanation
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Posted by LuckyStar
The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.
Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.
 Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?
Coronavirus is the main name of a large family of viruses. Covid 19 goes under that. I am sure you knew that already as Lysol has always had on their can kills coronavirus way before Covid came around.
There will always be variants of viruses under the Coronavirus name. Just like there have always been.
I am very familiar with Coronaviruses and have a lot of experience with the FCoV variation in cats that mutates into FIP. I’ve read a lot of studies about this particular Coronavirus (FCoV)
But anyway, I’m asking you to clarify your statement about “every other Coronavirus before this one.” Any studies or anything about mutations in Coronavirus (all of them, not just CoVID) that you could point me to? The mutations have been a very complex subject and I’m wondering if you have more info. You seem to have some info (hopefully more than a Lysol bottle!) about this with your statement.
We are speaking of the variant of this coronavirus, Delta. The poster is simply asking if anyone knows if this current vaccine will cover this new variant.
I only know as much as I hear and it seems some have tried to help her with numbers that were given which is numbers lower than for Covid 19 protection.
I have tried not to consume my time with this as life is pretty much back to normal (for the most part, unfortunately some things here in NY still have restrictions) for most people and we all just have to take things day to day. I won’t sit around fearing the news but I will be aware what is going on around me :)
You mentioned other Coronaviruses. That’s why I asked. *shrug*
You didn't actually expect a satisfactory answer, did you? lol
She was just agreeing with Lucky star. You were trying to be antagonistic. Give me a break.
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Re: Science explanation
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A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected
(CNN)Two people are dead and four of their coworkers were hospitalized after a Covid-19 outbreak swept through a government building in Manatee County, Florida.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
So, in the context of this one specific case, 100% of those not vaccinated and exposed all were hospitalized and/or died.
The only person who was exposed and vaccinated had no infection.
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Re: Science explanation
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Posted by BFNY516
A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected
(CNN)Two people are dead and four of their coworkers were hospitalized after a Covid-19 outbreak swept through a government building in Manatee County, Florida.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
So, in the context of this one specific case, 100% of those not vaccinated and exposed all were hospitalized and/or died.
The only person who was exposed and vaccinated had no infection.
Proof that being vaccinated matters. It could literally save your life.
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Re: Science explanation
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Posted by LuckyStar
The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.
Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.
Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?
Coronavirus is the main name of a large family of viruses. Covid 19 goes under that. I am sure you knew that already as Lysol has always had on their can kills coronavirus way before Covid came around.
There will always be variants of viruses under the Coronavirus name. Just like there have always been.
I am very familiar with Coronaviruses and have a lot of experience with the FCoV variation in cats that mutates into FIP. I’ve read a lot of studies about this particular Coronavirus (FCoV)
But anyway, I’m asking you to clarify your statement about “every other Coronavirus before this one.” Any studies or anything about mutations in Coronavirus (all of them, not just CoVID) that you could point me to? The mutations have been a very complex subject and I’m wondering if you have more info. You seem to have some info (hopefully more than a Lysol bottle!) about this with your statement.
We are speaking of the variant of this coronavirus, Delta. The poster is simply asking if anyone knows if this current vaccine will cover this new variant.
I only know as much as I hear and it seems some have tried to help her with numbers that were given which is numbers lower than for Covid 19 protection.
I have tried not to consume my time with this as life is pretty much back to normal (for the most part, unfortunately some things here in NY still have restrictions) for most people and we all just have to take things day to day. I won’t sit around fearing the news but I will be aware what is going on around me :)
You mentioned other Coronaviruses. That’s why I asked. *shrug*
You didn't actually expect a satisfactory answer, did you? lol
She was just agreeing with Lucky star. You were trying to be antagonistic. Give me a break.
No, I wasn't trying to be "antagonistic." But you seem to be with your reply.
She makes a lot of big claims. A lot of them are without sources. The OP DID ask for a scientific explanation. I don't see Lysol as a scientific explanation.
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Re: Science explanation
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Posted by BFNY516
A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected
(CNN)Two people are dead and four of their coworkers were hospitalized after a Covid-19 outbreak swept through a government building in Manatee County, Florida.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
So, in the context of this one specific case, 100% of those not vaccinated and exposed all were hospitalized and/or died.
The only person who was exposed and vaccinated had no infection.
Well what’s the big deal? It was ONLY 8 cases and 2 deaths. You know like it is no big deal about the younger men being diagnosed with myocarditis and pericarditis.
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Re: Science explanation
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Posted by LuckyStar
The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.
Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.
Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?
Coronavirus is the main name of a large family of viruses. Covid 19 goes under that. I am sure you knew that already as Lysol has always had on their can kills coronavirus way before Covid came around.
There will always be variants of viruses under the Coronavirus name. Just like there have always been.
I am very familiar with Coronaviruses and have a lot of experience with the FCoV variation in cats that mutates into FIP. I’ve read a lot of studies about this particular Coronavirus (FCoV)
But anyway, I’m asking you to clarify your statement about “every other Coronavirus before this one.” Any studies or anything about mutations in Coronavirus (all of them, not just CoVID) that you could point me to? The mutations have been a very complex subject and I’m wondering if you have more info. You seem to have some info (hopefully more than a Lysol bottle!) about this with your statement.
We are speaking of the variant of this coronavirus, Delta. The poster is simply asking if anyone knows if this current vaccine will cover this new variant.
I only know as much as I hear and it seems some have tried to help her with numbers that were given which is numbers lower than for Covid 19 protection.
I have tried not to consume my time with this as life is pretty much back to normal (for the most part, unfortunately some things here in NY still have restrictions) for most people and we all just have to take things day to day. I won’t sit around fearing the news but I will be aware what is going on around me :)
You mentioned other Coronaviruses. That’s why I asked. *shrug*
You didn't actually expect a satisfactory answer, did you? lol
She was just agreeing with Lucky star. You were trying to be antagonistic. Give me a break.
No, I wasn't trying to be "antagonistic." But you seem to be with your reply.
She makes a lot of big claims. A lot of them are without sources. The OP DID ask for a scientific explanation. I don't see Lysol as a scientific explanation.
This wasn't a "big claim." She was simply agreeing with the PP.
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Re: Science explanation
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Posted by LuckyStar
The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.
Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.
Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?
Coronavirus is the main name of a large family of viruses. Covid 19 goes under that. I am sure you knew that already as Lysol has always had on their can kills coronavirus way before Covid came around.
There will always be variants of viruses under the Coronavirus name. Just like there have always been.
I am very familiar with Coronaviruses and have a lot of experience with the FCoV variation in cats that mutates into FIP. I’ve read a lot of studies about this particular Coronavirus (FCoV)
But anyway, I’m asking you to clarify your statement about “every other Coronavirus before this one.” Any studies or anything about mutations in Coronavirus (all of them, not just CoVID) that you could point me to? The mutations have been a very complex subject and I’m wondering if you have more info. You seem to have some info (hopefully more than a Lysol bottle!) about this with your statement.
We are speaking of the variant of this coronavirus, Delta. The poster is simply asking if anyone knows if this current vaccine will cover this new variant.
I only know as much as I hear and it seems some have tried to help her with numbers that were given which is numbers lower than for Covid 19 protection.
I have tried not to consume my time with this as life is pretty much back to normal (for the most part, unfortunately some things here in NY still have restrictions) for most people and we all just have to take things day to day. I won’t sit around fearing the news but I will be aware what is going on around me :)
You mentioned other Coronaviruses. That’s why I asked. *shrug*
You didn't actually expect a satisfactory answer, did you? lol
She was just agreeing with Lucky star. You were trying to be antagonistic. Give me a break.
No, I wasn't trying to be "antagonistic." But you seem to be with your reply.
She makes a lot of big claims. A lot of them are without sources. The OP DID ask for a scientific explanation. I don't see Lysol as a scientific explanation.
This wasn't a "big claim." She was simply agreeing with the PP.
She tends to make a lot of blanket statements. And she made one there. I asked for more information because I am generally curious about mutations in Coronaviruses. You can search and see that I have posted about this long before CoVID. I have been involved with the Winn Feline Foundation (edit: and, yes, I know which politician's wife is involved with this foundation and I am somewhat friendly with her) and have read a bit about this topic.
Now, if you are going to shame me for asking for more info and call me antagonistic, then go ahead. But I'm not doing that.
So maybe don't make a statement about "every Coronavirus" and then not expect interest from someone who has a personal investment in the topic?
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Re: Science explanation
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Posted by LuckyStar
The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.
Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.
Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?
Coronavirus is the main name of a large family of viruses. Covid 19 goes under that. I am sure you knew that already as Lysol has always had on their can kills coronavirus way before Covid came around.
There will always be variants of viruses under the Coronavirus name. Just like there have always been.
I am very familiar with Coronaviruses and have a lot of experience with the FCoV variation in cats that mutates into FIP. I’ve read a lot of studies about this particular Coronavirus (FCoV)
But anyway, I’m asking you to clarify your statement about “every other Coronavirus before this one.” Any studies or anything about mutations in Coronavirus (all of them, not just CoVID) that you could point me to? The mutations have been a very complex subject and I’m wondering if you have more info. You seem to have some info (hopefully more than a Lysol bottle!) about this with your statement.
We are speaking of the variant of this coronavirus, Delta. The poster is simply asking if anyone knows if this current vaccine will cover this new variant.
I only know as much as I hear and it seems some have tried to help her with numbers that were given which is numbers lower than for Covid 19 protection.
I have tried not to consume my time with this as life is pretty much back to normal (for the most part, unfortunately some things here in NY still have restrictions) for most people and we all just have to take things day to day. I won’t sit around fearing the news but I will be aware what is going on around me :)
You mentioned other Coronaviruses. That’s why I asked. *shrug*
You didn't actually expect a satisfactory answer, did you? lol
She was just agreeing with Lucky star. You were trying to be antagonistic. Give me a break.
No, I wasn't trying to be "antagonistic." But you seem to be with your reply.
She makes a lot of big claims. A lot of them are without sources. The OP DID ask for a scientific explanation. I don't see Lysol as a scientific explanation.
Uh-oh. You seem to have pi$$ed off VB's little guard dog. Don't you know you're not allowed to call her out on anything or ask her to explain herself? Shame on you!! 
To get back to the original point, so far the vaccine is shown to be effective to some degree against all COVID variants. The fact is, the only way to stop more deadly variants from popping up and spreading is to have a strongly vaccinated population. I am honestly surprised at how low the vaccination rates are in some areas of this country. Makes me thankful that I live here in the northeast where *most* people have been vaccinated. 
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Re: Science explanation
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Posted by LuckyStar
The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.
Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.
Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?
Coronavirus is the main name of a large family of viruses. Covid 19 goes under that. I am sure you knew that already as Lysol has always had on their can kills coronavirus way before Covid came around.
There will always be variants of viruses under the Coronavirus name. Just like there have always been.
I am very familiar with Coronaviruses and have a lot of experience with the FCoV variation in cats that mutates into FIP. I’ve read a lot of studies about this particular Coronavirus (FCoV)
But anyway, I’m asking you to clarify your statement about “every other Coronavirus before this one.” Any studies or anything about mutations in Coronavirus (all of them, not just CoVID) that you could point me to? The mutations have been a very complex subject and I’m wondering if you have more info. You seem to have some info (hopefully more than a Lysol bottle!) about this with your statement.
We are speaking of the variant of this coronavirus, Delta. The poster is simply asking if anyone knows if this current vaccine will cover this new variant.
I only know as much as I hear and it seems some have tried to help her with numbers that were given which is numbers lower than for Covid 19 protection.
I have tried not to consume my time with this as life is pretty much back to normal (for the most part, unfortunately some things here in NY still have restrictions) for most people and we all just have to take things day to day. I won’t sit around fearing the news but I will be aware what is going on around me :)
You mentioned other Coronaviruses. That’s why I asked. *shrug*
You didn't actually expect a satisfactory answer, did you? lol
She was just agreeing with Lucky star. You were trying to be antagonistic. Give me a break.
No, I wasn't trying to be "antagonistic." But you seem to be with your reply.
She makes a lot of big claims. A lot of them are without sources. The OP DID ask for a scientific explanation. I don't see Lysol as a scientific explanation.
This wasn't a "big claim." She was simply agreeing with the PP.
She tends to make a lot of blanket statements. And she made one there. I asked for more information because I am generally curious about mutations in Coronaviruses. You can search and see that I have posted about this long before CoVID. I have been involved with the Winn Feline Foundation (edit: and, yes, I know which politician's wife is involved with this foundation and I am somewhat friendly with her) and have read a bit about this topic.
Now, if you are going to shame me for asking for more info and call me antagonistic, then go ahead. But I'm not doing that.
So maybe don't make a statement about "every Coronavirus" and then not expect interest from someone who has a personal investment in the topic?
What does cats have to do with anything this poster has asked about the vaccine and protection against other variants in humans?
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Re: Science explanation
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Posted by LuckyStar
The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.
Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.
Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?
Coronavirus is the main name of a large family of viruses. Covid 19 goes under that. I am sure you knew that already as Lysol has always had on their can kills coronavirus way before Covid came around.
There will always be variants of viruses under the Coronavirus name. Just like there have always been.
I am very familiar with Coronaviruses and have a lot of experience with the FCoV variation in cats that mutates into FIP. I’ve read a lot of studies about this particular Coronavirus (FCoV)
But anyway, I’m asking you to clarify your statement about “every other Coronavirus before this one.” Any studies or anything about mutations in Coronavirus (all of them, not just CoVID) that you could point me to? The mutations have been a very complex subject and I’m wondering if you have more info. You seem to have some info (hopefully more than a Lysol bottle!) about this with your statement.
We are speaking of the variant of this coronavirus, Delta. The poster is simply asking if anyone knows if this current vaccine will cover this new variant.
I only know as much as I hear and it seems some have tried to help her with numbers that were given which is numbers lower than for Covid 19 protection.
I have tried not to consume my time with this as life is pretty much back to normal (for the most part, unfortunately some things here in NY still have restrictions) for most people and we all just have to take things day to day. I won’t sit around fearing the news but I will be aware what is going on around me :)
You mentioned other Coronaviruses. That’s why I asked. *shrug*
You didn't actually expect a satisfactory answer, did you? lol
She was just agreeing with Lucky star. You were trying to be antagonistic. Give me a break.
No, I wasn't trying to be "antagonistic." But you seem to be with your reply.
She makes a lot of big claims. A lot of them are without sources. The OP DID ask for a scientific explanation. I don't see Lysol as a scientific explanation.
This wasn't a "big claim." She was simply agreeing with the PP.
She tends to make a lot of blanket statements. And she made one there. I asked for more information because I am generally curious about mutations in Coronaviruses. You can search and see that I have posted about this long before CoVID. I have been involved with the Winn Feline Foundation (edit: and, yes, I know which politician's wife is involved with this foundation and I am somewhat friendly with her) and have read a bit about this topic.
Now, if you are going to shame me for asking for more info and call me antagonistic, then go ahead. But I'm not doing that.
So maybe don't make a statement about "every Coronavirus" and then not expect interest from someone who has a personal investment in the topic?
What does cats have to do with anything this poster has asked about the vaccine and protection against other variants in humans?
You mentioned "every coronavirus." That includes all of them. https://www.vet.cornell.edu/animal-health-diagnostic-center/veterinary-support/disease-information/feline-coronavirus .
You also mentioned mutations. Nothing wrong with me asking for more information about what you said, especially because a part of this puzzle is how it mutates in animals (pangolins and civets are also part of this puzzle) and finding out information for vaccines. I mean it's a scientific thread, isn't it?
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Re: Science explanation
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Posted by LuckyStar
The vaccine would still work to some degree because a variant is just that- a variation of the same virus the vaccine was designed to target. It's not a new virus. How much protection it offers depends on how different any given variant is from the original target. The closer the match, the better the protection.
Yep, basically like every other coronavirus before this.
Could you explain what you mean by “like every other Coronavirus before this”? I’m a little confused by this statement. Or do you mean all viruses?
Coronavirus is the main name of a large family of viruses. Covid 19 goes under that. I am sure you knew that already as Lysol has always had on their can kills coronavirus way before Covid came around.
There will always be variants of viruses under the Coronavirus name. Just like there have always been.
I am very familiar with Coronaviruses and have a lot of experience with the FCoV variation in cats that mutates into FIP. I’ve read a lot of studies about this particular Coronavirus (FCoV)
But anyway, I’m asking you to clarify your statement about “every other Coronavirus before this one.” Any studies or anything about mutations in Coronavirus (all of them, not just CoVID) that you could point me to? The mutations have been a very complex subject and I’m wondering if you have more info. You seem to have some info (hopefully more than a Lysol bottle!) about this with your statement.
We are speaking of the variant of this coronavirus, Delta. The poster is simply asking if anyone knows if this current vaccine will cover this new variant.
I only know as much as I hear and it seems some have tried to help her with numbers that were given which is numbers lower than for Covid 19 protection.
I have tried not to consume my time with this as life is pretty much back to normal (for the most part, unfortunately some things here in NY still have restrictions) for most people and we all just have to take things day to day. I won’t sit around fearing the news but I will be aware what is going on around me :)
You mentioned other Coronaviruses. That’s why I asked. *shrug*
You didn't actually expect a satisfactory answer, did you? lol
She was just agreeing with Lucky star. You were trying to be antagonistic. Give me a break.
No, I wasn't trying to be "antagonistic." But you seem to be with your reply.
She makes a lot of big claims. A lot of them are without sources. The OP DID ask for a scientific explanation. I don't see Lysol as a scientific explanation.
This wasn't a "big claim." She was simply agreeing with the PP.
She tends to make a lot of blanket statements. And she made one there. I asked for more information because I am generally curious about mutations in Coronaviruses. You can search and see that I have posted about this long before CoVID. I have been involved with the Winn Feline Foundation (edit: and, yes, I know which politician's wife is involved with this foundation and I am somewhat friendly with her) and have read a bit about this topic.
Now, if you are going to shame me for asking for more info and call me antagonistic, then go ahead. But I'm not doing that.
So maybe don't make a statement about "every Coronavirus" and then not expect interest from someone who has a personal investment in the topic?
What does cats have to do with anything this poster has asked about the vaccine and protection against other variants in humans?
You mentioned "every coronavirus." That includes all of them. https://www.vet.cornell.edu/animal-health-diagnostic-center/veterinary-support/disease-information/feline-coronavirus .
You also mentioned mutations. Nothing wrong with me asking for more information about what you said, especially because a part of this puzzle is how it mutates in animals (pangolins and civets are also part of this puzzle) and finding out information for vaccines. I mean it's a scientific thread, isn't it?
Original question. NO ONE was speaking of animals so not sure why you even introduced it at all.:
I’ve been trying to find the actual answer to this. I know some on here have a science / medical background
How do the vaccines given early on protect against NEW variants.
My in-laws got the shot months ago. All they hear is “don’t worry you’re fine”. But if these are new, never before seen variants how does the vaccine protect against getting them? They are high risk and this makes them nervous and wish they would just come out with a booster.
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Re: Science explanation
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A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected
(CNN)Two people are dead and four of their coworkers were hospitalized after a Covid-19 outbreak swept through a government building in Manatee County, Florida.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
So, in the context of this one specific case, 100% of those not vaccinated and exposed all were hospitalized and/or died.
The only person who was exposed and vaccinated had no infection.
Correct. And in that dopey county..
“The government building was closed on Friday as a precaution. It reopened Monday but officials didn't implement a mask requirement, instead keeping them optional.”
Can’t believe the stupidity.
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:18 AM |
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by BFNY516
A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected
(CNN)Two people are dead and four of their coworkers were hospitalized after a Covid-19 outbreak swept through a government building in Manatee County, Florida.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
So, in the context of this one specific case, 100% of those not vaccinated and exposed all were hospitalized and/or died.
The only person who was exposed and vaccinated had no infection.
Proof that being vaccinated matters. It could literally save your life.
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:19 AM |
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BFNY516
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I’m starting to think mandated vaccines for workplaces are crucial now.
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:21 AM |
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Re: Science explanation
Variants are slight changes from the original.
It's like owning a 2019 Honda Accord. When you see another 2019 Accord, you know exactly what it is.
If you see a 2021 Accord, you'll probably recognize it as an Accord, even though the headlights are different and the taillights are different. It's mostly the same.
They've proven that the original vaccine is 88% effective against getting the Delta variant, because they've been studying it for over 6 months.
88% efficacy is higher than just about any previous vaccines we've had, so that alone is amazing. And so far, the Pfizer vaccine is 96% effective at preventing hospitalization from the Delta variant of the virus.
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:23 AM |
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by Hofstra26
Uh-oh. You seem to have pi$$ed off VB's little guard dog. Don't you know you're not allowed to call her out on anything or ask her to explain herself? Shame on you!!
Isn't it almost time for your day time soaps? Better get those bon bons ready! Or you can just go on posting all afternoon pretending like you're some oh so smart educated woman who's making a big difference in this world by sitting on her ass doing absolutely nothing...
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:23 AM |
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by GoldenRod
Variants are slight changes from the original.
It's like owning a 2019 Honda Accord. When you see another 2019 Accord, you know exactly what it is.
If you see a 2021 Accord, you'll probably recognize it as an Accord, even though the headlights are different and the taillights are different. It's mostly the same.
They've proven that the original vaccine is 88% effective against getting the Delta variant, because they've been studying it for over 6 months.
88% efficacy is higher than just about any previous vaccines we've had, so that alone is amazing. And so far, the Pfizer vaccine is 96% effective at preventing hospitalization from the Delta variant of the virus.
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:25 AM |
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by GoldenRod
Variants are slight changes from the original.
It's like owning a 2019 Honda Accord. When you see another 2019 Accord, you know exactly what it is.
If you see a 2021 Accord, you'll probably recognize it as an Accord, even though the headlights are different and the taillights are different. It's mostly the same.
They've proven that the original vaccine is 88% effective against getting the Delta variant, because they've been studying it for over 6 months.
88% efficacy is higher than just about any previous vaccines we've had, so that alone is amazing. And so far, the Pfizer vaccine is 96% effective at preventing hospitalization from the Delta variant of the virus.
We have been the beneficiary of incredible gifts. Now we just have to stem spread so that a lethal vaccine resistant variant doesn't develop and wind us all back in lockdown.
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:31 AM |
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by BFNY516
A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected
(CNN)Two people are dead and four of their coworkers were hospitalized after a Covid-19 outbreak swept through a government building in Manatee County, Florida.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
It swept through a building?? How many people were in the building? Cause the way it’s worded, it sounds like a whole bunch of people got the virus. How lucky of that one vaccinated person for not getting the virus, at least he wasn’t one of the 4000 fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts that got covid as of a recent report.
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:36 AM |
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LittleDiva
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Science explanation
Well that took a turn.
I was just looking for a dumbed down answer that someone without a science/medical background could understand. For example, the mRNA vaccines just know to attack anything with a spike protein and the new variants have a spike protein. (obviously I just made that up)
All I find when I try to look it up is “vaccinated are protected”. I’m just trying to understand this. And my in-laws are concerned as they had their vaccine months ago and sit here and wonder if they are still protected as these new variants come out.
. And to be honest, as more variants do emerge I would like a better understanding for myself as I’m still on the fence about the vaccine. I’m also trying to educate myself a little because I’m making my decision right before cold and flu season as I want to make sure the vaccine is effective and not worn off during peak time.
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:37 AM |
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by BFNY516
I’m starting to think mandated vaccines for workplaces are crucial now.
Why? Because of one story that came out that we don’t know much details other than 2 people died and the 1 person in the department that didn’t get sick was vaccinated? What about other offices that spread the virus that was not all over the news?
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:39 AM |
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BFNY516
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by LittleDiva
Well that took a turn.
I was just looking for a dumbed down answer that someone without a science/medical background could understand. For example, the mRNA vaccines just know to attack anything with a spike protein and the new variants have a spike protein. (obviously I just made that up)
All I find when I try to look it up is “vaccinated are protected”. I’m just trying to understand this. And my in-laws are concerned as they had their vaccine months ago and sit here and wonder if they are still protected as these new variants come out.
. And to be honest, as more variants do emerge I would like a better understanding for myself as I’m still on the fence about the vaccine. I’m also trying to educate myself a little because I’m making my decision right before cold and flu season as I want to make sure the vaccine is effective and not worn off during peak time.
I’m not being a jerk but really this question is best suited for your doctor or your in-laws doctor.
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:39 AM |
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LittleDiva
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by LittleDiva
Well that took a turn.
I was just looking for a dumbed down answer that someone without a science/medical background could understand. For example, the mRNA vaccines just know to attack anything with a spike protein and the new variants have a spike protein. (obviously I just made that up)
All I find when I try to look it up is “vaccinated are protected”. I’m just trying to understand this. And my in-laws are concerned as they had their vaccine months ago and sit here and wonder if they are still protected as these new variants come out.
. And to be honest, as more variants do emerge I would like a better understanding for myself as I’m still on the fence about the vaccine. I’m also trying to educate myself a little because I’m making my decision right before cold and flu season as I want to make sure the vaccine is effective and not worn off during peak time.
I’m not being a jerk but really this question is best suited for your doctor or your in-laws doctor.
They asked and got “don’t worry you’re protected”.
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:40 AM |
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: Science explanation
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by BFNY516
I’m starting to think mandated vaccines for workplaces are crucial now.
Why? Because of one story that came out that we don’t know much details other than 2 people died and the 1 person in the department that didn’t get sick was vaccinated? What about other offices that spread the virus that was not all over the news?
We’re not “allowed” to talk about those cases or anything related to it. Pretty much nothing that’s not positive about the magical, unicorn cure. Remember?
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| Posted 6/22/21 11:42 AM |
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