Spinoff - child freezes to death after leaving family home

I just want to start a discussion about this. I will say first off that YES, it is a terrible tragedy what happened to that baby but when will we, as a society, start expecting MORE from the parents.

I mean, your job as a parent is to protect your children and keep them safe (well one of your jobs as a parent, and to me, the most important one). I think it is terrible that this child had to die becasue her mom decided not to check on her when she saw the door ajar, KNOWING that her dd had gotten out of the house before. There was a KNOWN risk. I just don't get it

what are your opinions?
Where does parental responsibility end?

Message edited 2/5/2009 2:17:31 PM.

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I dont' understand the point of publicly crucifying this woman or her family.

the worst thing about parenting is that there is ALWAYS a chance something will happen you NEVER expected.

I am sure if there was ANY indication to this mother that her daughter in fact opened the door that she would have checked on her.

I think this is highly unfair.

Parental responsibility NEVER ends.

Message edited 2/5/2009 2:18:10 PM.

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I think it is unfair too, but to the baby

once again, I am not a heartless *****, I do feel terrible for the family, I cannot imagine their loss

but the fact that this could have been prevented just makes me sick

not looking for drama, just discussion
eta - the thing is, she SHOULD have expected this, her daughter has done this before - there was a known risk....I just cannot fathom how she could have just went to bed without checking on her daughter

Message edited 2/5/2009 2:19:52 PM.

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Its so hard...this lady's life is now a nightmare.

I will say it. I live in an apt, 2 dead bolts on the door.

Out on night, Josh and Leo home. Leo is in Josh's room, hears something...looks out in hall, there is a chair at door, door is open.

Josh pushed chair to door, opened both locks and walked right out saying Mom.

Thank God Leo heard the door. It only took a second. 2 deadbolts...what more can I do then tell him not to touch door?

At night, we move all chairs and put on top of table...

Maybe the mom was tired...maybe she had 2 glasses of wine with dinner. who knows?>

Its horrible. A nightmare.

Message edited 2/5/2009 2:28:19 PM.

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it says NOTHING in that article about the prior occurance.

all it says is that she wandered off...not during the night, not undoing the locks, nothing of that sort. so you are condemning her based on an assumption that the SAME thing happened before.

I'm sorry....I just don't think this woman deserves to go to jail..and that is what NEGLIGENCE would mean. that she was criminal in her inaction.

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It is a parent's responsibility to protect their children - there is no denying that.

Like Ophelia said - it is a different mentality up there. The little girl probably wandered ONCE during the day.

IT DOESN'T EVEN SAY THAT THE CHILD KNEW HOW TO UNLATCH THE DOOR, just that she wandered. It could have happened during a BBQ or something. Why would the mother think the kid got out at 3am?

I think everyone ESPECIALLY THE MOTHER is aware that this could have been prevented but why, why, why add to this poor mother's grief by SAYING it's her fault. You think criminal charges should be pressed against her or something?

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Yesterday, I got calls from 5 moms who's children OD'd on children's vitamins. One of them took 53 Another one took Melatonin (a sleep aid) and another took Ginkgo Biloba. What is going on that kids can potentially even FIND and OPEN the vitamins in the first place? And then these women YELL at ME for some strange reason, like it's MY fault they underestimated their kids and their abilities to get into things, especially if they taste like candy.

Everyone is always looking to blame someone else for their mistake. "The door wouldn't have been ajar if the carpenter had fixed it, yada yada yada." People need to start manning up for their own actions and stop pointing fingers at everyone else.

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I don't think this is an example of parental neglect. I think it's an awful tragedy and hindsight is 20/20.

However, I do think as a society, we have started slacking on what we expect out of parents and society as a whole, when it comes to raising children. Too many people look the other way when faced with TRUE neglect and abuse. We expect teachers to teach morality and decency in our children but don't hold the parents up to that responsibility.

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I cant stop thinking of this poor little girl.. I wish sooo badly that some good citizen was driving in the neighborhood and spotted this little girl before she froze.. I wish soo badly..

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Posted by BabySammie

I cant stop thinking of this poor little girl.. I wish sooo badly that some good citizen was driving in the neighborhood and spotted this little girl before she froze.. I wish soo badly..

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Any time I wake in the night, I cannot go to sleep again without checking on DD. I can't imagine not checking on my child after seeing the door open.

It's so sad that it turned out this way, but the mother probably didn't fathom this could or would ever happen.

I just read about 2 mothers that were charged with second degree manslaughter for leaving their 11mo old and 15mo old in the tub unattended and they drowned (separate incidents). One mother was on the phone with a friend for 40 minutes and the other went to the internet to shop for shoes. These mothers deserved punishment. This mother does not.

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Posted by Mikismom

I said she was negligent, I never said she should have charges pressed against her, did I ?

Re: Spinoff - child freezes to death after leaving family home

this is not that far off from your definition stef

The failure to use reasonable care to avoid consequences that threaten or harm the safety of the public and that are the foreseeable outcome of acting in a particular manner.

my point is, this type of situation is a slippery slope, and if you feel the mom is directly responsibile for the death, you *can* be saying (even inadvertantly) that she should be held accountable under the law.

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Message edited 2/5/2009 2:38:18 PM.

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Honestly, I read your post and agree 100%. That was my first thought when I read the other post and didn't comment on there because that was the only thing I could think about. Even if the child had never done this in the past, how do you, in any circumstance, not check your home after finding the door wide open. You don't check that someone isn't hiding somewhere, ready to rob you? I just find this circumstance very peculiar. It also makes me wonder if it's going to come out eventually that the mother wished it or something.

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my DS is only 5 months old and i check on him every single time i wake up during the night. not saying that all mothers do this... but i bet most of them do.

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